• Wikipedia crackpottey

    From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 13 10:26:34 2024
    You may all be interested in an article at

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity


    that presents some of the ideas we hear from the crackpots here. It's
    signed with a pseudonym, but I don't think it's the work of one of our
    local crackpots because it's better written. It's currently under
    consideration for deletion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity



    --
    athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog on Wed Nov 13 15:06:50 2024
    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:55:11 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 9:26:34 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    You may all be interested in an article at


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity


    that presents some of the ideas we hear from the crackpots here. It's signed with a pseudonym, but I don't think it's the work of one of our local crackpots because it's better written. It's currently under consideration for deletion:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity

    Thank you! I'm already somewhat familiar with this editor (who appears reasonably reliable when NOT editing relativity articles) and added my
    delete vote.

    Has he contributed to other relativity pages?

    The page under discussion seems to be quite comprehensive, although
    it seems to dwell a bit overmuch on SR and the presence of matter
    (even atomic level matter) having gravitational influences and their
    effect on flat spacetime. Certainly, SR works perfectly well in
    particle physics.

    Anyway, I don't think you and I are competent to make a judgment
    on this treatise. Personally, I feel that such a long dissertation
    may belong in a peer-reviewed paper or arXiv, but what do I know?
    OTOH, being on wikipedia, though, may give it a wider viewing, and
    summarily deleting it seems like censorship, or book-burnig. I
    think it's important to look at our assumptions from time to time,
    particularly as new evidence comes to light.

    I find it interesting that the majority of crackpots are crackpots in
    only a limited range of topics. They can be quite competent in other
    areas. Examples abound, even among Nobelists: Montagnier, Mullis,
    Shockley, Pauling etc. come quickly to mind.

    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomologue, Dono, gharnagel ...

    “When dealing with people, remember you are not dealing with
    creatures of logic, but with creatures bristling with prejudice
    and motivated by pride and vanity.” ― Dale Carnegie

    Well, we TRY to be impartial :-)

    "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
    - Albert Einstein

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 13 20:35:41 2024
    Any relativist chappie around that may perhaps admit that after
    contemplating the inertia violation experiment done by Arindam's new
    design electromagentic rail gun, Einstein's 1905 paper "On the
    electrodynamics of moving bodies" which heavily depended upon the notion
    of inertia for the validity of e=mc^2, gets comprehensively trashed?

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog on Wed Nov 13 23:26:35 2024
    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 9:26:34 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    You may all be interested in an article at

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_r
    elativity


    that presents some of the ideas we hear from the crackpots here. It's signed with a pseudonym, but I don't think it's the work of one of our local crackpots because it's better written. It's currently under consideration for deletion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Problems_with_
    Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity

    Thank you! I'm already somewhat familiar with this editor (who appears reasonably reliable when NOT editing relativity articles) and added my
    delete vote.

    I find it interesting that the majority of crackpots are crackpots in
    only a limited range of topics. They can be quite competent in other
    areas. Examples abound, even among Nobelists: Montagnier, Mullis,
    Shockley, Pauling etc. come quickly to mind.

    Why is that interesting? It is the definition of a crackpot.
    Great pot, if only...

    Jan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to gharnagel on Wed Nov 13 23:26:35 2024
    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:55:11 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 9:26:34 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    You may all be interested in an article at


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_r
    elativity


    that presents some of the ideas we hear from the crackpots here. It's signed with a pseudonym, but I don't think it's the work of one of our local crackpots because it's better written. It's currently under consideration for deletion:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Problems_with_
    Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity

    Thank you! I'm already somewhat familiar with this editor (who appears reasonably reliable when NOT editing relativity articles) and added my delete vote.

    Has he contributed to other relativity pages?

    The page under discussion seems to be quite comprehensive, although
    it seems to dwell a bit overmuch on SR and the presence of matter
    (even atomic level matter) having gravitational influences and their
    effect on flat spacetime. Certainly, SR works perfectly well in
    particle physics.

    Anyway, I don't think you and I are competent to make a judgment
    on this treatise. Personally, I feel that such a long dissertation
    may belong in a peer-reviewed paper or arXiv, but what do I know?
    OTOH, being on wikipedia, though, may give it a wider viewing, and
    summarily deleting it seems like censorship, or book-burnig. I
    think it's important to look at our assumptions from time to time, particularly as new evidence comes to light.

    I find it interesting that the majority of crackpots are crackpots in
    only a limited range of topics. They can be quite competent in other
    areas. Examples abound, even among Nobelists: Montagnier, Mullis,
    Shockley, Pauling etc. come quickly to mind.

    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomologue, Dono, gharnagel ...

    "When dealing with people, remember you are not dealing with
    creatures of logic, but with creatures bristling with prejudice
    and motivated by pride and vanity." ? Dale Carnegie

    Now there you have a great example for 'a creature of logic',

    Jan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Athel Cornish-Bowden on Wed Nov 13 23:26:35 2024
    Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:

    You may all be interested in an article at

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_rel
    ativity


    that presents some of the ideas we hear from the crackpots here. It's
    signed with a pseudonym, but I don't think it's the work of one of our
    local crackpots because it's better written. It's currently under consideration for deletion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Problems_with_Ei
    nstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity

    Right, much of it is indeed crackpottery.
    But what is worse: it obviously qualifies as 'original research',
    which by itself is sufficient ground for deletion.
    The author should take it to Vixra or something like that.

    Finally, while it has lots of refs, it is a good example of how refs
    should not be used on Wikipedia.
    Many of the refs are there to argue points, not to document points.

    Delete, if I had anything to vote there,

    Jan

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Thu Nov 14 03:35:27 2024
    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:21:32 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 12:35 PM, bertietaylor wrote:
    Any relativist chappie around that may perhaps admit that after
    contemplating the inertia violation experiment done by Arindam's new
    design electromagentic rail gun, Einstein's 1905 paper "On the
    electrodynamics of moving bodies" which heavily depended upon the notion
    of inertia for the validity of e=mc^2, gets comprehensively trashed?

    The e = mc^2 is just the first term in a Taylor series expansion
    of K.E.

    Evidently the most significant one.

    The infinitely-many rest of them are non- or "un-" linear.

    In one dimension, the mass energy relation on a kinetic and
    non-destructive basis was found by Arindam Banerjee in 1998 - it is e=0.5mVVN(N-k) using which he transformed physics.

    A Meissnerized ingot may experience inertial "heft",
    with regards to electro-motive force, and various
    super-classical concerns, with regards to theories
    like those of Fritz London, for whom the most and best
    initial developments in superconductivity arrived,
    then as with regards to the regions and so on.

    Word salad.
    Arindam's 2 second video of inertia violation with his new design
    railgun updated classical physics (minus inertia, conservation laws of
    momentum and energy) and busts Einsten-Feynman physics.

    The mechanics, "is", an inertial-system.

    Yes, and when that is busted by experiment, then the whole thing
    collapses. F=BiL or Maxwellian electrodynamics is back, with aether and
    wave motion, and light speed variance. Infinite, eternal universe. Cold
    cores of stellar bodies.

    In short, Arindam rules from now.

    Woof-woof,
    Bertietaylor

    What you do is hit the ingot to spinning first off
    the compulsator to give it some heft, then launch it.

    Mechanics as usually relayed is, "under-defined".

    Infinitely-many higher orders of acceleration and all, ....

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 14 03:43:46 2024
    Logic blesses careerism. Lies enrich professional liars. Robots bless amorality.

    In such a world murderers get rich fast and remain rich.

    Woof-woof

    Bertietaylor

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog on Thu Nov 14 11:51:43 2024
    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:26:35 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote:

    I find it interesting that the majority of crackpots are crackpots in
    only a limited range of topics. They can be quite competent in other
    areas. Examples abound, even among Nobelists: Montagnier, Mullis,
    Shockley, Pauling etc. come quickly to mind.

    Why is that interesting? It is the definition of a crackpot.
    Great pot, if only...

    Touch�!

    Thanks! But you are right too.
    Nobel has great cracking powers, even posthumously,

    Jan

    PS, you forgot Niko Tinbergen, who even demonstated it
    even in his acceptance speech.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Thu Nov 14 12:29:15 2024
    On 2024-11-14 10:51:43 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:26:35 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote:

    I find it interesting that the majority of crackpots are crackpots in
    only a limited range of topics. They can be quite competent in other
    areas. Examples abound, even among Nobelists: Montagnier, Mullis,
    Shockley, Pauling etc. come quickly to mind.

    Why is that interesting? It is the definition of a crackpot.
    Great pot, if only...

    Touch�!

    Thanks! But you are right too.
    Nobel has great cracking powers, even posthumously,

    Jan

    PS, you forgot Niko Tinbergen, who even demonstated it
    even in his acceptance speech.

    Can you expand on that?

    --
    Athel cb

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Fri Nov 15 18:02:59 2024
    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 19:47:20 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 07:35 PM, bertietaylor wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:21:32 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 11/13/2024 12:35 PM, bertietaylor wrote:
    Any relativist chappie around that may perhaps admit that after
    contemplating the inertia violation experiment done by Arindam's new
    design electromagentic rail gun, Einstein's 1905 paper "On the
    electrodynamics of moving bodies" which heavily depended upon the notion >>>> of inertia for the validity of e=mc^2, gets comprehensively trashed?

    The e = mc^2 is just the first term in a Taylor series expansion
    of K.E.

    Evidently the most significant one.

    The infinitely-many rest of them are non- or "un-" linear.

    In one dimension, the mass energy relation on a kinetic and
    non-destructive basis was found by Arindam Banerjee in 1998 - it is
    e=0.5mVVN(N-k) using which he transformed physics.

    A Meissnerized ingot may experience inertial "heft",
    with regards to electro-motive force, and various
    super-classical concerns, with regards to theories
    like those of Fritz London, for whom the most and best
    initial developments in superconductivity arrived,
    then as with regards to the regions and so on.

    Word salad.
    Arindam's 2 second video of inertia violation with his new design
    railgun updated classical physics (minus inertia, conservation laws of
    momentum and energy) and busts Einsten-Feynman physics.

    The mechanics, "is", an inertial-system.

    Yes, and when that is busted by experiment, then the whole thing
    collapses. F=BiL or Maxwellian electrodynamics is back, with aether and
    wave motion, and light speed variance. Infinite, eternal universe. Cold
    cores of stellar bodies.

    In short, Arindam rules from now.

    Woof-woof,
    Bertietaylor

    What you do is hit the ingot to spinning first off
    the compulsator to give it some heft, then launch it.

    Mechanics as usually relayed is, "under-defined".

    Infinitely-many higher orders of acceleration and all, ....

    Some people say "there's no ether theory", yet we have
    here a little guy named "Albert Einstein" who in his
    1920 "Sidelights on Relativity" asserts that there is.

    Einstein merely admits that there is an aether theory. Does not accept
    its factual must-be existential reality as the medium for
    electromagnetic waves. His whole idea was to vanish the FACT of aether
    to a mere theory. Which had to be done on order to progress his particle physics



    Then there it seems you're getting into the vis-viva
    versus the vix-motrix, it's an entirely old-fasioned
    considered gathering dust since hundreds of years ago,
    though that some have turned up as relevant theoretically.

    Like DesCartes' "vortices" or "subtle matter" or
    Kelvin's "vortices", all the non- or un-linear
    components, then here as with regards to "heft"
    as in the classical mechanics the contribution
    to inertia, what the merry-go-round gives.

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  • From Aether Regained@21:1/5 to Cornish-Bowden on Wed Nov 20 19:25:00 2024
    ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog:> On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 9:26:34 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    You may all be interested in an article at

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity



    that presents some of the ideas we hear from the crackpots here. It's
    signed with a pseudonym, but I don't think it's the work of one of our
    local crackpots because it's better written. It's currently under
    consideration for deletion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Problems_with_Einstein%27s_general_theory_of_relativity


    Thank you! I'm already somewhat familiar with this editor (who appears reasonably reliable when NOT editing relativity articles) and added my
    delete vote.

    I find it interesting that the majority of crackpots are crackpots in
    only a limited range of topics. They can be quite competent in other
    areas. Examples abound, even among Nobelists: Montagnier, Mullis,
    Shockley, Pauling etc. come quickly to mind.

    An interesting pattern in the first two Nobelists you label as being
    crackpots:

    LUC MONTAGIER:
    Won Nobel for discovering HIV

    Supposed heresy:
    “Tragically for humanity, there are many, many untruths emanating from
    FAUCI and his minions.”

    In the San Francisco International AIDS Conference of June 1990,
    Montagnier had publicly declared “the HIV virus is harmless and passive,
    a benign virus.”

    KARY MULLIS:
    Won Nobel for discovering RT-PCR.

    Supposed heresy:

    Skepticism regarding FAUCI's claims that HIV causes AIDS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_and_climate_change

    -------------

    I think that instead of just blindly following the MSM and labeling
    these Nobelists as crackpots, it is better to pay careful attention to
    their views. These guys are unconventional thinkers and being
    financially independent are in a position to "speak truth to power" to
    "say it like it really is", not being subject to Upton Sinclair's rule:

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
    depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair.

    So, let's stop parroting the MSM, and encourage people to take a hard
    relook at FAUCI's career and this whole HIV causes AIDS multi-billion
    dollar industry.

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 22 02:20:41 2024
    GR and SR are totally wrong for Arindam showed that MMI experiment
    actually showed light speed variance.

    Einstein was trying to get rid of aether as it has a Hindu basis. As
    Tesla explained the Einsteinians are anti-scientific theologians.

    Well, there was always double think about the wave or particle nature of
    light, from fe Broglie. Schizophrenia about light was acceptable.
    However aether was still no-no for its existence would make particle
    theory based on e=mcc redundant.

    But aether does exist as infinitely fine and infinitely elastic solid
    matter filling up the infinite and eternal universe exactly as per Hindu thought.

    Woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof

    Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs barking from low Heaven)

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