• Approximately 300,000 km/s With Respect To What?

    From amirjf nin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 11 15:58:02 2024
    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to amirjf nin on Thu Jul 11 22:42:38 2024
    amirjf nin <amirjfnin@aim.com> wrote:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    With respect to everything. It is a universal speed,
    inherent in the space-time we live in.
    That is the whole point of special relativity.

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

    There is no such thing as a gravitational field in GR,
    only in approximations to it,

    Jan

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to amirjf nin on Fri Jul 12 00:53:36 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin wrote:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    With respect to the transmitter speed and position.
    Speed of light transmitted from a reference frame moving at v km/sec is
    300000 +v.

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

    Irrelevant.
    Planets move and light goes straight. We measure from the moving planet
    so light SEEMS to get bent therefore APPARENTLY but NOT CORRECTLY
    "proving" the BUNKUM theories of relativity.

    Bertietaylor

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 05:58:38 2024
    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 02:53, bertietaylor pisze:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin wrote:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    With respect to the transmitter speed and position.
    Speed of light transmitted from a reference frame moving at v km/sec is 300000 +v.

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

    Irrelevant.
    Planets move and light goes straight. We measure from the moving planet
    so light SEEMS to get bent therefore APPARENTLY but NOT CORRECTLY
    "proving" the BUNKUM theories of relativity.

    Oh, but according to The Shit light SHOULD go straight.
    Poor relativistic doggies see bent light - because they're
    not really stupid enough to stick to the moronic schema
    of their idiot guru. Their minds are simply still
    polluted with Euclidean prejudices...




    Bertietaylor

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to amirjf nin on Fri Jul 12 12:26:44 2024
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    Sometimes numbers with units of speed are used for other purposes instead
    of speed, for example in E = mc², where c has units of speed. In those cases the question need not be asked.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Mikko on Fri Jul 12 11:55:27 2024
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    You really need to have a look at what and how is actually measured,
    instead of elaborating your own ideas of measurement.

    FYI, in the precision 'speed of light' measurements
    that preceded the abolition of the meter in 1983
    physicists measured the frequency of a standing wave.
    This is a proper measurement in a proper frame,
    yielding an obviously dimensionless number.
    (a world scalar of course, being the same in every proper frame.)
    It does not involve something going from somewhere.

    Sometimes numbers with units of speed are used for other purposes instead
    of speed, for example in E = mc?, where c has units of speed. In those cases the question need not be asked.

    Standard error: speed does not -have- a unit.
    (except for high school kiddies)
    Conversely, 'm/s' is not -a property- of the physical quantity 'speed',
    You suffer from misconceptions induced by an 'SI-only' education,

    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 12:00:04 2024
    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 11:55, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    You really need to have a look at what and how is actually measured,
    instead of elaborating your own ideas of measurement.

    FYI, in the precision 'speed of light' measurements
    that preceded the abolition of the meter in 1983
    physicists measured the frequency of a standing wave.
    This is a proper measurement in a proper frame,
    yielding an obviously dimensionless number.
    (a world scalar of course, being the same in every proper frame.)
    It does not involve something going from somewhere.

    Sometimes numbers with units of speed are used for other purposes instead
    of speed, for example in E = mc?, where c has units of speed. In those cases >> the question need not be asked.

    Standard error: speed does not -have- a unit.

    Yeah - that's what The Shit is making to
    the brains of its victims.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Jul 12 10:31:40 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 3:58:38 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 02:53, bertietaylor pisze:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin wrote:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    With respect to the transmitter speed and position.
    Speed of light transmitted from a reference frame moving at v km/sec is
    300000 +v.

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

    Irrelevant.
    Planets move and light goes straight. We measure from the moving planet
    so light SEEMS to get bent therefore APPARENTLY but NOT CORRECTLY
    "proving" the BUNKUM theories of relativity.

    Oh, but according to The Shit light SHOULD go straight.

    It does.

    Poor relativistic doggies see bent light - because they're
    not really stupid enough to stick to the moronic schema
    of their idiot guru. Their minds are simply still
    polluted with Euclidean prejudices...

    Euclid and Newton are correct.




    Bertietaylor

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to amirjf nin on Fri Jul 12 10:37:40 2024
    amirjf nin <amirjfnin@aim.com> wrote or quoted:
    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    That's a hoot, seeing as you're fishing for a frame
    of reference for a speed, like some sort of /context/ for it.
    It's almost as if you're bent out of shape or have a bone
    to pick with the speed lacking its context.

    But here's the kicker - you're dropping a question /yourself/
    that's so bare-bones /it's missing the context/ that would
    make it clear enough to answer without having to play
    a guessing game about what you're getting at.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 12:46:52 2024
    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 12:31, bertietaylor pisze:
    On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 3:58:38 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 02:53, bertietaylor pisze:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin wrote:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    With respect to the transmitter speed and position.
    Speed of light transmitted from a reference frame moving at v km/sec is
    300000 +v.

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

    Irrelevant.
    Planets move and light goes straight. We measure from the moving planet
    so light SEEMS to get bent therefore APPARENTLY but NOT CORRECTLY
    "proving" the BUNKUM theories of relativity.

    Oh, but according to The Shit light SHOULD go straight.

    It does.

    Seen stupider axioms, but not many of them.




    Poor relativistic doggies see bent light - because they're
    not really stupid enough to stick to the moronic schema
    of their  idiot guru. Their minds are simply still
    polluted  with Euclidean prejudices...

    Euclid and Newton are correct.




    Bertietaylor

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Jul 12 14:01:26 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 10:46:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 12:31, bertietaylor pisze:
    On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 3:58:38 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 12.07.2024 o 02:53, bertietaylor pisze:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin wrote:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    With respect to the transmitter speed and position.
    Speed of light transmitted from a reference frame moving at v km/sec is >>>> 300000 +v.

    How about the local/dominant gravitational field?

    Irrelevant.
    Planets move and light goes straight. We measure from the moving planet >>>> so light SEEMS to get bent therefore APPARENTLY but NOT CORRECTLY
    "proving" the BUNKUM theories of relativity.

    Oh, but according to The Shit light SHOULD go straight.

    It does.

    Seen stupider axioms, but not many of them.

    Anything straight looks crooked to those crooked.
    No greater crooks than the e=mcc ullulating pullulating polluting
    parasites: physicists, professors, politicians, plutocrats, pimps,
    presstitutes and prostitutes.






    Poor relativistic doggies see bent light - because they're
    not really stupid enough to stick to the moronic schema
    of their  idiot guru. Their minds are simply still
    polluted  with Euclidean prejudices...

    Euclid and Newton are correct.




    Bertietaylor

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 13 10:08:44 2024
    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
    velocity zero'.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the
    object does not move.

    But what was actually Einstein's reference, in respect to which velocity
    v was measured.

    Usually we could take 'the universe' as kind of background and Newton's absolute space as reference.

    But this wasn't possible, because Einstein had explicitly excluded
    Newton's absolute space.

    But if not that space, then what else could you take?

    I suggested the following concept:

    the observer always takes the own position and assumes, that would not move.

    This assumption is wrong, of course.

    But what else could you take???


    TH

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 13 09:17:38 2024
    Le 13/07/2024 à 10:08, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
    velocity zero'.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the
    object does not move.

    But what was actually Einstein's reference, in respect to which velocity
    v was measured.

    Usually we could take 'the universe' as kind of background and Newton's absolute space as reference.

    But this wasn't possible, because Einstein had explicitly excluded
    Newton's absolute space.

    But if not that space, then what else could you take?

    I suggested the following concept:

    the observer always takes the own position and assumes, that would not move.

    This assumption is wrong, of course.

    But what else could you take? ? ?


    TH

    “For any given observer, even in a uniformly accelerated frame of
    reference, even in a rotating frame of reference, proper motion does not exist.”
    Everything always happens as if it were the universe that was moving in relation to it. Let's take the example of a man finding himself in the
    wind, he is not moving, it is the atmospheric universe which is moving in relation to him, and if he is hit by a tile, it is, for him, the tile that
    hits him. In accelerated frames of reference, the same is true, even if it
    may seem counterintuitive: it is not the plane which accelerates, but the
    air which accelerates relative to the plane,
    it doesn't matter who really "pushes" the other, or who really acts in
    relation to the other.

    R.H.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sun Jul 14 13:16:42 2024
    On 2024-07-12 09:55:27 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    You really need to have a look at what and how is actually measured,
    instead of elaborating your own ideas of measurement.

    Yes, that is a correct interpretation of my words. Of course, what and
    how is not alwasys the same so you need to look at thar separately for
    each measurement.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Sun Jul 14 13:19:42 2024
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
    velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the
    object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in respect to itself.

    But what was actually Einstein's reference, in respect to which
    velocity v was measured.

    Einstein did not measure velocity v.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 15 08:26:42 2024
    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference
    that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with
    restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
     velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the
    object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in respect to itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all
    observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    This is possible, if all inertial reference frames are of equal rights.

    I can therefore use this setting, because it makes some sense and is
    allowed.

    BUT: if the observer does not move, how could he possibly reach v=c???

    So I turned the 'twin paradox' upside down and applied it to the point
    of origin (e.g. the Earth if a spacecraft starts from there).

    ...


    TH

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Mon Jul 15 12:05:13 2024
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect >>>> to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that >>>> is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to >>>> Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
     velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the
    object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in respect to
    itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an observer often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. Often
    it is better to choose samething inertial for "statinary" when the observer
    is not inertial.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 15 12:16:11 2024
    W dniu 15.07.2024 o 11:05, Mikko pisze:
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with
    respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the
    reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with
    restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
     velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which
    the object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in
    respect to
    itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all
    observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an
    observer
    often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary.

    But we can announce he is just a stupid crank,
    not understanding the ingenious concepts of
    our magnificient gurus - and ignore him.
    Praise The Holy Symmetry!

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 16 09:26:07 2024
    Am Montag000015, 15.07.2024 um 11:05 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with
    respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the
    reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with
    restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
     velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which
    the object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in
    respect to
    itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all
    observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an
    observer
    often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. Often
    it is better to choose samething inertial for "statinary" when the observer is not inertial.

    Sure, but 'non-inertial observers' where not included in SRT.

    IOW: there is no acceleration in SRT, but only streigth steady movement
    in a force free space.

    The very word 'acceleration' was used by Einstein in 'On the
    electrodynamics of moving bodies' only in connection with the electron
    and not in any other relation.


    TH

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Mikko on Tue Jul 16 12:58:32 2024
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-12 09:55:27 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that >> is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to >> Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    You really need to have a look at what and how is actually measured, instead of elaborating your own ideas of measurement.

    Yes, that is a correct interpretation of my words. Of course, what and
    how is not alwasys the same so you need to look at thar separately for
    each measurement.

    The first electromagnetic measurement of the 'speed of light',
    by Weber and Kohlrausch, didn't involve any velocity at all.
    They pointed the way for Maxwell.

    Maxwell's equations [1] likewise have a c in them
    but no velocity,

    Jan

    [1] In Heaviside-Lorentz units for example.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Wed Jul 17 13:27:52 2024
    On 2024-07-16 07:26:07 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Montag000015, 15.07.2024 um 11:05 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect >>>>>> to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the >>>>>> measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having
     velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the >>>>> object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in respect to >>>> itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all
    observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an observer >> often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. Often
    it is better to choose samething inertial for "statinary" when the observer >> is not inertial.

    Sure, but 'non-inertial observers' where not included in SRT.

    Not intentionally but SRT can be used for calculations of what a non-inertial observer would see.

    IOW: there is no acceleration in SRT, but only streigth steady movement
    in a force free space.

    There is. Acclerated motions can be described and analyzed with SRT. Electric and magnetic fields discussed in "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" are meaningful only by their affect on the acceleration of charged bodies.

    The very word 'acceleration' was used by Einstein in 'On the
    electrodynamics of moving bodies' only in connection with the electron
    and not in any other relation.

    Because what at the time were called "electrons" were only bodies to which electrodynamics is obviously relevant. It was even speculated that all matter migh be only electrons (both positively and negatively charged so they would stick together).

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Wed Jul 17 13:17:09 2024
    On 2024-07-16 10:58:32 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-12 09:55:27 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect >>>> to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that >>>> is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to >>>> Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    You really need to have a look at what and how is actually measured,
    instead of elaborating your own ideas of measurement.

    Yes, that is a correct interpretation of my words. Of course, what and
    how is not alwasys the same so you need to look at thar separately for
    each measurement.

    The first electromagnetic measurement of the 'speed of light',
    by Weber and Kohlrausch, didn't involve any velocity at all.
    They pointed the way for Maxwell.

    Maxwell's equations [1] likewise have a c in them
    but no velocity,

    Jan

    [1] In Heaviside-Lorentz units for example.

    One may even regard c as the conversion factor between meters and seoonds
    just like 25,4 is the conversion factor between metric inches and meters.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 17 14:18:04 2024
    W dniu 17.07.2024 o 12:27, Mikko pisze:
    On 2024-07-16 07:26:07 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Montag000015, 15.07.2024 um 11:05 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with
    respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the
    reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the >>>>>>> measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with
    restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having >>>>>>  velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which
    the object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in
    respect to
    itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that
    all observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an
    observer
    often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. Often >>> it is better to choose samething inertial for "statinary" when the
    observer
    is not inertial.

    Sure, but 'non-inertial observers' where not included in SRT.

    Not intentionally but SRT can be used for calculations of what a
    non-inertial
    observer would see.

    And, as anyone can check at GPS - the result
    will have nothing in common with what a real
    observer will really see.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Mikko on Wed Jul 17 21:29:49 2024
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-16 10:58:32 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-12 09:55:27 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect >>>> to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the
    measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.

    You really need to have a look at what and how is actually measured,
    instead of elaborating your own ideas of measurement.

    Yes, that is a correct interpretation of my words. Of course, what and
    how is not alwasys the same so you need to look at thar separately for
    each measurement.

    The first electromagnetic measurement of the 'speed of light',
    by Weber and Kohlrausch, didn't involve any velocity at all.
    They pointed the way for Maxwell.

    Maxwell's equations [1] likewise have a c in them
    but no velocity,

    Jan

    [1] In Heaviside-Lorentz units for example.

    One may even regard c as the conversion factor between meters and seoonds just like 25,4 is the conversion factor between metric inches and meters.

    Yes, it is as fundamental as 12 inch to the foot,

    Jan

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 18 08:20:39 2024
    Am Mittwoch000017, 17.07.2024 um 12:27 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-16 07:26:07 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Montag000015, 15.07.2024 um 11:05 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with
    respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the
    reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the >>>>>>> measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with
    restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having >>>>>>  velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which
    the object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in
    respect to
    itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that
    all observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an
    observer
    often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. Often >>> it is better to choose samething inertial for "statinary" when the
    observer
    is not inertial.

    Sure, but 'non-inertial observers' where not included in SRT.

    Not intentionally but SRT can be used for calculations of what a
    non-inertial
    observer would see.

    Relativity is actually not a single paper, but a set of different theories.

    'SRT' is usually used for Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving
    bodies'.

    And this paper does not deal with accelerated frames of reference.

    If you want to refer to something else, then please write to what paper
    you want to refer.

    I wrote about Einstein's paper.

    This is based on streight lateral motion with constant velocity in a
    force free space.


    ...


    TH

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Thu Jul 18 10:34:12 2024
    On 2024-07-18 06:20:39 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Mittwoch000017, 17.07.2024 um 12:27 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-16 07:26:07 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Montag000015, 15.07.2024 um 11:05 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-15 06:26:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000014, 14.07.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said:

    Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what?

    Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect
    to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that
    is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the >>>>>>>> measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to
    Earth surface at the place of the measurement.


    'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having >>>>>>>  velocity zero'.

    Yes, that is what the word means.

    But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the >>>>>>> object does not move.

    That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in respect to
    itself.


    Actually I have used this setting in my 'book' and declared, that all >>>>> observers regard themselves as non-moving.

    That is possible but not always the best idea. In the real world an observer
    often considers oneself as moving and someting else as stationary. Often >>>> it is better to choose samething inertial for "statinary" when the observer
    is not inertial.

    Sure, but 'non-inertial observers' where not included in SRT.

    Not intentionally but SRT can be used for calculations of what a non-inertial
    observer would see.

    Relativity is actually not a single paper, but a set of different theories.

    'SRT' is usually used for Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.

    And this paper does not deal with accelerated frames of reference.

    Inertial coordinate systems are the simplest to use. You may construct other coordnate systems but they have no physical significance. Inertial coordinate systems are sufficient for description and analysis of accelerated objects.
    All that needs be known about the theory, as long as no consideration of gravity is needed, can be found in "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies".

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 18 23:34:50 2024
    Le 18/07/2024 à 08:20, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    Relativity is actually not a single paper, but a set of different theories.

    'SRT' is usually used for Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.

    And this paper does not deal with accelerated frames of reference.

    If you want to refer to something else, then please write to what paper
    you want to refer.

    I wrote about Einstein's paper.

    This is based on streight lateral motion with constant velocity in a
    force free space.


    ...

    I think you are absolutely right: what we call today the theory of
    relativity is more a conglomeration of different hypotheses given by
    different physicists from all backgrounds and all nationalities, that is
    to say an edifice built in a fairly polymorphous way.
    I had already noticed this forty years ago, and for forty years, I tried
    to bring all this together into a compact, logical, global, and very clear theory to hold whole in the brain of a single man or 'only one student.
    In short, something which holds simply, logically, and in one conceptual
    piece, from Galilean frames of reference, to uniformly accelerated frames
    of reference, including rotating frames of reference.
    Very quickly, I realized the magnitude of the task for two reasons:
    - the appearance of obvious problems in the formulations of physicists,
    even if only to describe a simple Langevin, and the inability even today,
    in 2024, incredibly, to describe a coherent relationship even if only by passing in apparent speeds (what the two observers would see in their telescope). And I'm not talking about the madness of the masters in
    physics if we have to move on to more complicated frames of reference and
    the invention of surreal things like that (reverse saddle geometry, or
    fanciful integrations of relativistic time, etc...) .
    - human madness and the navel-gazing of opponents (there, I don't even
    need to explain).

    However, we can give a complete and coherent theory using very simple mathematics (no need to calculate an integral).
    Special relativity is very simple. Mathematically at high school level
    (16-18 years old). What makes it difficult is:
    1. the understanding and genesis of the gamma factor by the logical
    invariance of the speed of light in an anisochronous medium.
    2. the reciprocity of relativistic effects by permutation of frames of reference and in particular apparent effects on distances.
    3. that if it is true that there is a dilation of times, by the simple
    fact of the denominator present in the Poincaré-Lorentz transformations,
    there is ALSO, by the same denominator a dilation of lengths and distances
    ( physicists confusing this general dilation with the observation of an
    object passing transversely in the field of vision, and which actually
    appears contracted in this position).

    Einstein got it wrong when he said: “Relativity is very complex, but
    there are no pitfalls.”
    The opposite was true: “Relativity is a game for children or high school students, but it’s full of little conceptual traps.”

    Once you get rid of the bad concepts, all the equations become incredibly simple.

    And yet more beautiful and truer.


    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 10:48:18 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 01:34, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    [snip idiotic nonsense]

    Einstein got it wrong when he said: “Relativity is very complex, but
    there are no pitfalls.”

    This is a plain lie. Einstein never said nor wrote that.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 12:22:15 2024
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 01:34 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 18/07/2024 à 08:20, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    Relativity is actually not a single paper, but a set of different
    theories.

    'SRT' is usually used for Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving
    bodies'.

    And this paper does not deal with accelerated frames of reference.

    If you want to refer to something  else, then please write to what
    paper you want to refer.

    I wrote about Einstein's paper.

    This is based on streight lateral motion with constant velocity in a
    force free space.


    ...

    I think you are absolutely right: what we call today the theory of
    relativity is more a conglomeration of different hypotheses given by different physicists from all backgrounds and all nationalities, that is
    to say an edifice built in a fairly polymorphous way.
    I had already noticed this forty years ago, and for forty years, I tried
    to bring all this together into a compact, logical, global, and very
    clear theory to hold whole in the brain of a single man or 'only one
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and cerainly a
    lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.


    In short, something which holds simply, logically, and in one conceptual piece, from Galilean frames of reference, to uniformly accelerated
    frames of reference, including rotating frames of reference.
    Very quickly, I realized the magnitude of the task for two reasons:
    - the appearance of obvious problems in the formulations of physicists,
    even if only to describe a simple Langevin, and the inability even
    today, in 2024, incredibly, to describe a coherent relationship even if
    only by passing in apparent speeds (what the two observers would see in
    their telescope). And I'm not talking about the madness of the masters
    in physics if we have to move on to more complicated frames of reference
    and the invention of surreal things like that (reverse saddle geometry,
    or fanciful integrations of relativistic time, etc...) .
    - human madness and the navel-gazing of opponents (there, I don't even
    need to explain).

    However, we can give a complete and coherent theory using very simple mathematics (no need to calculate an integral).
    Special relativity is very simple. Mathematically at high school level
    (16-18 years old). What makes it difficult is:
    1. the understanding and genesis of the gamma factor by the logical invariance of the speed of light in an anisochronous medium.
    2. the reciprocity of relativistic effects by permutation of frames of reference and in particular apparent effects on distances.
    3. that if it is true that there is a dilation of times, by the simple
    fact of the denominator present in the Poincaré-Lorentz transformations, there is ALSO, by the same denominator a dilation of lengths and
    distances ( physicists confusing this general dilation with the
    observation of an object passing transversely in the field of vision,
    and which actually appears contracted in this position).

    Einstein got it wrong when he said: “Relativity is very complex, but
    there are no pitfalls.”
    The opposite was true: “Relativity is a game for children or high school students, but it’s full of little conceptual traps.”

    Once you get rid of the bad concepts, all the equations become
    incredibly simple.

    And yet more beautiful and truer.

    Maybe you like my 'book':

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing


    TH

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 12:40:45 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    There is no errors (except one that you missed). You list of errors
    is only a expression of your ignorance and stupidity.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Your existence is a disadvantage to mankind Thomas.

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

    This is a bunch of nonsense.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 12:30:12 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 10:48, Python a écrit :

    Einstein got it wrong when he said: “Relativity is very complex, but
    there are no pitfalls.”

    This is a plain lie. Einstein never said nor wrote that.

    M'euh t'euh qu'un bouffon, t'euh qu'un guignol, tu ne sais rien du tout.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 12:39:08 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and cerainly a
    lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.

    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    Le plus incroyable, c'est que les hommes y sont parvenus.

    La même chose est arrivée avec Jésus-Christ :
    Jésus-Christ est mort (idéologiquement) et il a été remplacé par
    Saint Paul.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 14:46:18 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 14:39, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and cerainly
    a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    This is utterly stupid. Poincaré praised Einstein work, and he would
    have loved GR.

    [snip irrelevancies]
    You are mentally sick Richard.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 15:02:39 2024
    W dniu 19.07.2024 o 14:46, Python pisze:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 14:39, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and
    cerainly a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    This is utterly stupid. Poincaré praised Einstein work, and he would
    have loved GR.


    Bullshit. Poincare was a quite smart guy and
    he has written directly what he would think about
    rejecting basic [Euclidean] math - done by your
    idiot guru some years after his death.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 15:09:38 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 15:02, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 19.07.2024 o 14:46, Python pisze:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 14:39, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and
    cerainly a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    This is utterly stupid. Poincaré praised Einstein work, and he would
    have loved GR.


    Bullshit. Poincare was a quite smart guy and
    he has written directly what he would think about
    rejecting basic [Euclidean] math - done by your
    idiot guru some years after his death.

    Poincaré published a lot of work on Hyperbolic Geometry.

    You are as ignorant as stupid, Wozniak.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to and to on Fri Jul 19 15:31:37 2024
    W dniu 19.07.2024 o 15:09, Python pisze:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 15:02, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 19.07.2024 o 14:46, Python pisze:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 14:39, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and
    cerainly a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind. >>>>
    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    This is utterly stupid. Poincaré praised Einstein work, and he would
    have loved GR.


    Bullshit. Poincare was a quite smart guy and
    he has written directly what he would think about
    rejecting basic [Euclidean] math - done by your
    idiot guru some years after his death.

    Poincaré published a lot of work on Hyperbolic Geometry.

    So he surely knew the subject - enough to
    understand how idiotic the move of your
    idiot guru would be, and to write it
    directly.
    Checked "science and hypothesis", poor
    halfbrain?

    You are as ignorant as stupid, Wozniak.


    See, poor halfbrain - I've proven the mumble
    of your idiot guru to be inconsistent, and
    you can do nothing about it apart of spitting
    and insulting. So you are spitting and
    insulting, together with your fellow idiots.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 14:33:42 2024
    Le 19/07/2024 à 15:09, Python a écrit :
    Le 19/07/2024 à 15:02, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    You are as ignorant as stupid, Wozniak.

    But not as much as the stinker python. :))

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 20 08:25:09 2024
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 14:39 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and cerainly
    a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    What if this WAS actually intentional?

    Who were the people behind this??

    It must be an immense system, with tremendous wealth and power.

    This is so because to make Einstein that popular would require a lot of
    power and control of several different media.

    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, hence
    that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be
    told about it.

    TH

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 20 12:50:23 2024
    Le 20/07/2024 à 08:25, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 14:39 schrieb Richard Hachel:

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts? ? ?

    It's a good question.

    What we can say is that between the Annexation of Alsace and Moselle by
    Germany (1871), and until 1945, relations between Germany and France were
    not looking good. It was an almost permanent military or psychological war (three clashes) with global repercussions. Extreme powers were at stake. Diesel, the German inventor of the engine of the same name, was found
    floating in the Channel in 1913, probably eliminated by the English.

    It is not normal that today, Albert Einstein has such great popularity
    (the SR is not him, but the French; the RG, it is Grossmann and Hilbert),
    the atomic bomb, he (he only knew Pouic, it was Oppenhaimer). This is
    obviously voluntary.

    Question: Who? For what? Which great power had an interest and still has
    an interest in promoting Einstein (a useful idiot) rather than Poincaré
    (the greatest mathematician in history, and the only one to have been able
    to master the entirety of three sciences, mathematics, philosophy,
    physics) ?

    It's a good question.

    Note that part of the answer consists of:
    - Albert Eisntein was naturalized American.
    - In his political will, François Mitterrand will say:
    “France does not know it, but we are at war with America, a merciless
    war, apparently without death, but a war to the death.”

    François Mitterrand led France for 14 years, and he had the nuclear code.
    When a man like that says things like that, we should at least open an investigation.

    Nobody ever talks about it.

    As we never talk about who blew up the Nordstream which supplied France
    and Germany with quality gas.
    Hence, in part, the fall of the current European economy.
    Who was annoyed that Europe bought gas from the Russians?
    There are things you shouldn't talk about.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 20 16:08:25 2024
    Le 20/07/2024 à 08:25, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 14:39 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and
    cerainly a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    What if this WAS actually intentional?

    Who were the people behind this??

    It must be an immense system, with tremendous wealth and power.

    This is so because to make Einstein that popular would require a lot of
    power and control of several different media.

    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, hence
    that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be
    told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth,
    Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article
    - What Einstein presented there and "modern" SRT are exactly
    the same theory. What has been done since 1905 is geometrizing
    the theory. This leaded the path to GR
    - You are not at all competent to evaluate 1905 article : 100%
    of your comments are asinine
    - There are no "dissidents". Most physicists understand very well
    the theory and a lot of tried to supersede it with new concepts,
    they are not "silenced" they are encouraged to do so

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 20 16:12:41 2024
    Le 20/07/2024 à 14:50, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 20/07/2024 à 08:25, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 14:39 schrieb Richard Hachel:

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts? ? ?

    It's a good question.

    What we can say is that between the Annexation of Alsace and Moselle by Germany (1871), and until 1945, relations between Germany and France
    were not looking good. It was an almost permanent military or
    psychological war (three clashes) with global repercussions. Extreme
    powers were at stake. Diesel, the German inventor of the engine of the
    same name, was found floating in the Channel in 1913, probably
    eliminated by the English.

    It is not normal that today, Albert Einstein has such great popularity
    (the SR is not him, but the French; the RG, it is Grossmann and
    Hilbert), the atomic bomb, he (he only knew Pouic, it was Oppenhaimer).
    This is obviously voluntary.

    Question: Who? For what? Which great power had an interest and still has
    an interest in promoting Einstein (a useful idiot) rather than Poincaré
    (the greatest mathematician in history, and the only one to have been
    able to master the entirety of three sciences, mathematics, philosophy, physics) ?

    It's a good question.

    Note that part of the answer consists of:
    - Albert Eisntein was naturalized American.
    - In his political will, François Mitterrand will say:
    “France does not know it, but we are at war with America, a merciless
    war, apparently without death, but a war to the death.”

    François Mitterrand led France for 14 years, and he had the nuclear
    code. When a man like that says things like that, we should at least
    open an investigation.

    Nobody ever talks about it.

    As we never talk about who blew up the Nordstream which supplied France
    and Germany with quality gas.
    Hence, in part, the fall of the current European economy.
    Who was annoyed that Europe bought gas from the Russians?
    There are things you shouldn't talk about.

    This is quite (pathetically) funny to read such demented people (Richard
    & Thomas) confronting their "views".

    Richard: according to Thomas Einstein is not really *German*, (blink
    blink) if you see what I mean (blink blink)... It is obvious when you
    read his posts. Of course he cannot express as clearly as he wanted
    his opinion because there are some laws about that in Germany.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 20 16:23:22 2024
    W dniu 20.07.2024 o 16:08, Python pisze:
    Le 20/07/2024 à 08:25, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 14:39 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 19/07/2024 à 12:22, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    student.

    We have several other contributers like Poincare, Lorentz and
    cerainly a lot of others.

    But we have Einstein's paper and Einstein himself.

    He got almost deified, even if his paper is full of errors.

    To me this seems to be intentional and to the disadvantage of mankind.

    Yes, this seems to be intentional.
    Il fallait déifier Einstein pour enfoncer Poincaré.

    What if this WAS actually intentional?

    Who were the people behind this??

    It must be an immense system, with tremendous wealth and power.

    This is so because to make Einstein that popular would require a lot
    of power and control of several different media.

    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of
    science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be
    told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth,
    Hitler is a British spy, etc.)

    Comparing to the worshippers of The Shit he's still
    relatively reasonable.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 08:42:13 2024
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 14:50 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 20/07/2024 à 08:25, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 14:39 schrieb Richard Hachel:

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts? ? ?

    It's a good question.

    What we can say is that between the Annexation of Alsace and Moselle by Germany (1871), and until 1945, relations between Germany and France
    were not looking good. It was an almost permanent military or
    psychological war (three clashes) with global repercussions. Extreme
    powers were at stake. Diesel, the German inventor of the engine of the
    same name, was found floating in the Channel in 1913, probably
    eliminated by the English.

    It is not normal that today, Albert Einstein has such great popularity
    (the SR is not him, but the French; the RG, it is Grossmann and
    Hilbert), the atomic bomb, he (he only knew Pouic, it was Oppenhaimer).
    This is obviously voluntary.

    Question: Who? For what? Which great power had an interest and still has
    an interest in promoting Einstein (a useful idiot) rather than Poincaré
    (the greatest mathematician in history, and the only one to have been
    able to master the entirety of three sciences, mathematics, philosophy, physics) ?

    It's a good question.

    I have a proposal:

    when Nicola Tesla died, he was actually pennyless, even if he had
    invented a lot and held more than seven hundred patents.

    So: why was he so poor?

    The idea is a little far fetched and would include certain rumors, which
    state that a 'deep state' would exist, which is thirty years
    technologically in advance.

    This matched other rumors, e.g. that other inventions were also stolen
    or patents declared of interest for the national security.

    Now lets assume, that such a 'deep state' would actually exist and is
    located in fact somewhere deep down and has all these patents, but does
    not like to pay something for the inventors.

    Then this 'deep state' would be thirty years in advance in terms of
    technology, because patents protect the inventions that long.

    After thirty years the patents are released, but not very beneficial
    anymore for the inventors, because they protect only for thirty years.

    Now you need 'spies' in the patent offices, which warn the deep state
    about new developments and to reject unwanted inventions.

    Such agents need rewards, especially if the inventions are important.

    And one among the eligable rewards is fame.


    The death of Diesel could be squezed into the same theory, too, by
    assuming, that energy in general and petrol especially is in the
    interest of the 'deep state' and efficient motors were regarded as
    dangerous. And threads or heritics have to be 'removed'.


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 09:03:02 2024
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of
    science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be
    told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth,
    Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least
    a single one.

    ...


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 09:26:43 2024
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:12 schrieb Python:
    ...
    It is not normal that today, Albert Einstein has such great popularity
    (the SR is not him, but the French; the RG, it is Grossmann and
    Hilbert), the atomic bomb, he (he only knew Pouic, it was
    Oppenhaimer). This is obviously voluntary.

    Question: Who? For what? Which great power had an interest and still
    has an interest in promoting Einstein (a useful idiot) rather than
    Poincaré (the greatest mathematician in history, and the only one to
    have been able to master the entirety of three sciences, mathematics,
    philosophy, physics) ?

    It's a good question.

    Note that part of the answer consists of:
    - Albert Eisntein was naturalized American.
    - In his political will, François Mitterrand will say:
    “France does not know it, but we are at war with America, a merciless
    war, apparently without death, but a war to the death.”

    François Mitterrand led France for 14 years, and he had the nuclear
    code. When a man like that says things like that, we should at least
    open an investigation.

    Nobody ever talks about it.

    As we never talk about who blew up the Nordstream which supplied
    France and Germany with quality gas.
    Hence, in part, the fall of the current European economy.
    Who was annoyed that Europe bought gas from the Russians?
    There are things you shouldn't talk about.

    This is quite (pathetically) funny to read such demented people (Richard
    & Thomas) confronting their "views".

    Richard: according to Thomas Einstein is not really *German*, (blink
    blink) if you see what I mean (blink blink)... It is obvious when you
    read his posts. Of course he cannot express as clearly as he wanted
    his opinion because there are some laws about that in Germany.

    My assumption was, that Einstein's CV was seemingly impossible and a
    more possible explanation would be, that Einstein was a Swiss citizen
    from birth and his CV a fake.

    As impossible I would regard his work in the Swiss patent office,
    because in the German speaking world 'Amt' means 'state owned facility'
    and is the place to work of 'Beamte'.

    Such employees of the state had certain (very desirable) privileges,
    like lifelong employment and high pensions.

    As they represent the state, only born citizens were eligable as 'Beamter'.

    This was the case at least in Germany in the early 20th century.
    About Swizzerland I'm uncertain, because I don't know Swiss laws, but
    assume, they were relatively similar to German laws.

    This assumption (Einstein was actually Swiss) would, btw, fit to all
    other known fact about his life.

    Therefore, this is a very good assumption, even theough it might be
    actually wrong.


    TH

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 12:39:13 2024
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:26, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:12 schrieb Python:
    ...
    It is not normal that today, Albert Einstein has such great
    popularity (the SR is not him, but the French; the RG, it is
    Grossmann and Hilbert), the atomic bomb, he (he only knew Pouic, it
    was Oppenhaimer). This is obviously voluntary.

    Question: Who? For what? Which great power had an interest and still
    has an interest in promoting Einstein (a useful idiot) rather than
    Poincaré (the greatest mathematician in history, and the only one to
    have been able to master the entirety of three sciences, mathematics,
    philosophy, physics) ?

    It's a good question.

    Note that part of the answer consists of:
    - Albert Eisntein was naturalized American.
    - In his political will, François Mitterrand will say:
    “France does not know it, but we are at war with America, a merciless
    war, apparently without death, but a war to the death.”

    François Mitterrand led France for 14 years, and he had the nuclear
    code. When a man like that says things like that, we should at least
    open an investigation.

    Nobody ever talks about it.

    As we never talk about who blew up the Nordstream which supplied
    France and Germany with quality gas.
    Hence, in part, the fall of the current European economy.
    Who was annoyed that Europe bought gas from the Russians?
    There are things you shouldn't talk about.

    This is quite (pathetically) funny to read such demented people (Richard
    & Thomas) confronting their "views".

    Richard: according to Thomas Einstein is not really *German*, (blink
    blink) if you see what I mean (blink blink)... It is obvious when you
    read his posts. Of course he cannot express as clearly as he wanted
    his opinion because there are some laws about that in Germany.

    My assumption was, that Einstein's CV was seemingly impossible and a
    more possible explanation would be, that Einstein was a Swiss citizen
    from birth and his CV a fake.

    Thomas you know perfectly well that it's not about this other silly
    theories of yours... This is about what you think and cannot write
    here because it would bring you to court in Germany.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 12:40:35 2024
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of
    science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would
    be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth,
    Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least
    a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.

    That you are such a demented stubborn imbecile who refuses to admit it
    does not change anything.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 13:36:24 2024
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of
    science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts??? >>>>
    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would
    be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth,
    Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at
    least a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 21 12:06:07 2024
    Le 21/07/2024 à 08:42, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    I have a proposal:

    when Nicola Tesla died, he was actually pennyless, even if he had
    invented a lot and held more than seven hundred patents.

    So: why was he so poor?

    The idea is a little far fetched and would include certain rumors, which state that a 'deep state' would exist, which is thirty years
    technologically in advance.

    This matched other rumors, e.g. that other inventions were also stolen
    or patents declared of interest for the national security.

    Now lets assume, that such a 'deep state' would actually exist and is located in fact somewhere deep down and has all these patents, but does
    not like to pay something for the inventors.

    Then this 'deep state' would be thirty years in advance in terms of technology, because patents protect the inventions that long.

    After thirty years the patents are released, but not very beneficial
    anymore for the inventors, because they protect only for thirty years.

    Now you need 'spies' in the patent offices, which warn the deep state
    about new developments and to reject unwanted inventions.

    Such agents need rewards, especially if the inventions are important.

    And one among the eligable rewards is fame.


    The death of Diesel could be squezed into the same theory, too, by
    assuming, that energy in general and petrol especially is in the
    interest of the 'deep state' and efficient motors were regarded as
    dangerous. And threads or heritics have to be 'removed'.


    TH

    Politics is a profession.

    There is a caste of individuals who live in opulence and never work. They
    are content to pay the judges, the deputies who make the laws, etc...

    They live as the Pharaoh lived, through the sweat of the people.

    But the great miracle is not there, the great miracle is that the people themselves largely agree.

    If an opponent stands up and makes a remark about the fact that it is not normal to pay rights of way on the highways (racket worthy of the time of
    the Lords), he is immediately singled out by the people themselves , and denounced.

    It's even worse than you think, a human society.

    This also exists in science, and I think that the Einstein-Poincaré
    example is also a good example: the guy who tells the truth, that is to
    say that Poincaré's brain was worth ten Einsteins, he gets threatened
    on usenet.
    Don't laugh friends, it's true.

    It's simply incredible.

    “1984”, “Brave New World”, it’s no longer really fiction.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 07:27:53 2024
    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 12:40 schrieb Python:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of
    science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts??? >>>>
    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would
    be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth,
    Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at
    least a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.

    That you are such a demented stubborn imbecile who refuses to admit it
    does not change anything.

    Stubborn: yes, but demented: no!

    So: were are YOUR arguments and YOUR disproof of any one of my 400+
    comments?


    TH




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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 07:26:14 2024
    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 12:39 schrieb Python:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:26, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:12 schrieb Python:
    ...
    It is not normal that today, Albert Einstein has such great
    popularity (the SR is not him, but the French; the RG, it is
    Grossmann and Hilbert), the atomic bomb, he (he only knew Pouic, it
    was Oppenhaimer). This is obviously voluntary.

    Question: Who? For what? Which great power had an interest and still
    has an interest in promoting Einstein (a useful idiot) rather than
    Poincaré (the greatest mathematician in history, and the only one to
    have been able to master the entirety of three sciences,
    mathematics, philosophy, physics) ?

    It's a good question.

    Note that part of the answer consists of:
    - Albert Eisntein was naturalized American.
    - In his political will, François Mitterrand will say:
    “France does not know it, but we are at war with America, a
    merciless war, apparently without death, but a war to the death.”

    François Mitterrand led France for 14 years, and he had the nuclear
    code. When a man like that says things like that, we should at least
    open an investigation.

    Nobody ever talks about it.

    As we never talk about who blew up the Nordstream which supplied
    France and Germany with quality gas.
    Hence, in part, the fall of the current European economy.
    Who was annoyed that Europe bought gas from the Russians?
    There are things you shouldn't talk about.

    This is quite (pathetically) funny to read such demented people (Richard >>> & Thomas) confronting their "views".

    Richard: according to Thomas Einstein is not really *German*, (blink
    blink) if you see what I mean (blink blink)... It is obvious when you
    read his posts. Of course he cannot express as clearly as he wanted
    his opinion because there are some laws about that in Germany.

    My assumption was, that Einstein's CV was seemingly impossible and a
    more possible explanation would be, that Einstein was a Swiss citizen
    from birth and his CV a fake.

    Thomas you know perfectly well that it's not about this other silly
    theories of yours... This is about what you think and cannot write
    here because it would bring you to court in Germany.


    What???

    In Germany we have a constitutional civil right which is called 'freedom
    of science'.

    As my critique of Einstein's text is strictly scientific, it should be
    covered by our constitution.

    My guesses about the person Einstein are protected by another
    constitutional right, which is called' freedom of expression'.

    Partially this critique is also meant as scientific, because history is actually a science.

    Btw: what if Einstein was really a disinformation agent???

    Wouldn't that be interesting in this forum, which is named after his
    invention?

    Therefore, some speculations should be allowed. Einstein himself
    shouldn't care, because he's dead now for almost 70 years.



    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 07:33:26 2024
    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts
    of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of
    efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would
    be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth, >>>> Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at
    least a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    He came to the conclusion, that Lorentz made some errors (which he was
    able to correct) and that time should be treated as local time only.

    With this assumption he was able to make Maxwells equations
    form-invariant under relativistic transformations.

    Quite impressive actually, but more or less forgotten.


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 07:44:55 2024
    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 14:06 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 08:42, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    I have a proposal:

    when Nicola Tesla died, he was actually pennyless, even if he had
    invented a lot and held more than seven hundred patents.

    So: why was he so poor?

    The idea is a little far fetched and would include certain rumors,
    which state that a 'deep state' would exist, which is thirty years
    technologically in advance.

    This matched other rumors, e.g. that other inventions were also stolen
    or patents declared of interest for the national security.

    Now lets assume, that such a 'deep state' would  actually exist and is
    located in fact somewhere deep down and has all these patents, but
    does not like to pay something for the inventors.

    Then this 'deep state' would be thirty years in advance in terms of
    technology, because patents protect the inventions that long.

    After thirty years the patents are released, but not very beneficial
    anymore for the inventors, because they protect only for thirty years.

    Now you need 'spies' in the patent offices, which warn the deep state
    about new developments and to reject unwanted inventions.

    Such agents need rewards, especially if the inventions are important.

    And one among the eligable rewards is fame.


    The death of Diesel could be squezed into the same theory, too, by
    assuming, that energy in general and petrol especially is in the
    interest of the 'deep state' and efficient motors were regarded as
    dangerous. And threads or heritics have to be 'removed'.


    TH

    Politics is a profession.

    There is a caste of individuals who live in opulence and never work.
    They are content to pay the judges, the deputies who make the laws, etc...

    They live as the Pharaoh lived, through the sweat of the people.

    But the great miracle is not there, the great miracle is that the people themselves largely agree.

    If an opponent stands up and makes a remark about the fact that it is
    not normal to pay rights of way on the highways (racket worthy of the
    time of the Lords), he is immediately singled out by the people
    themselves , and denounced.

    It's even worse than you think, a human society.

    This also exists in science, and I think that the Einstein-Poincaré
    example is also a good example: the guy who tells the truth, that is to
    say that Poincaré's brain was worth ten Einsteins, he gets threatened
    on usenet.
    Don't laugh friends, it's true.

    It's simply incredible.

    “1984”, “Brave New World”, it’s no longer really fiction.


    Well, I'm afraid your correct.

    But what can we do?


    My proposal: we need to change the future!

    This is actually very easy and goes like this:

    if 'bad guys' have time-machines, we could make the use of them really dangerous by very simple means:

    Simmply use (occasionally) a coin to decide what you do.

    think about two possible activities, which are both equally good for
    you. Then flip a coin and do, which action you had assigned to either
    side of the coin and which side comes up.

    This is simple, but would alter the future, hence make all predictions
    about the future worthless.

    This is actually good for 'good guys' because those have no time
    machines and are therefore not threatend by 'future manipulation'.

    But 'bad guys' apparently use 'time-travel', what is a VERY powerful weapon.

    You and everybodey else could make that a little more adventurous, if
    you decide to make thinks only better and nicer that necessary and if
    you bring an element of unpredictability into the world, which is based
    on flipping a coin.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Mon Jul 22 14:29:35 2024
    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, hence >>>>>> that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of science. >>>>>>
    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful. >>>>>>
    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts??? >>>>>>
    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be >>>>>> told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth, >>>>> Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least >>>> a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    And the practical problem of synchronization of clocks at diffrent locations.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 13:39:27 2024
    W dniu 22.07.2024 o 07:33, Thomas Heger pisze:
    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large,
    hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts
    of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful. >>>>>>
    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of
    efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we
    would be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth, >>>>> Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at
    least a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    He came to the conclusion, that Lorentz made some errors (which he was
    able to correct) and that time should be treated as local time only.


    Maybe he did - if he did, too bad for him.
    Still, he had enough wit to understand how
    idiotic rejecting Euclid would be, and he
    has written it clearly enough for anyone
    able to read (even if not clearly enough for
    poor stinker Python).

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 12:55:23 2024
    Le 22/07/2024 à 07:33, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics,

    I find you very harsh.
    The Poincaré equations in relativistic physics are magnificent.
    They are true, they are beautiful, they are coherent.
    Einstein, next door, is Laurel and Hardy.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 12:51:39 2024
    Le 22/07/2024 à 07:26, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    What? ? ?

    In Germany we have a constitutional civil right which is called 'freedom
    of science'.

    As my critique of Einstein's text is strictly scientific, it should be covered by our constitution.

    My guesses about the person Einstein are protected by another
    constitutional right, which is called' freedom of expression'.

    Partially this critique is also meant as scientific, because history is actually a science.

    Btw: what if Einstein was really a disinformation agent? ? ?

    Wouldn't that be interesting in this forum, which is named after his invention?

    Therefore, some speculations should be allowed. Einstein himself
    shouldn't care, because he's dead now for almost 70 years.

    Einstein was an agent of disinformation, but not in the scientific sense, rather in the political sense.
    His goal (that is to say those who created him) was more to destroy
    Poincaré, terribly jealous (Einstein said at the end of his life that he
    had lied by saying that he had not read Poincaré and that he did not know
    him, he revealed that on the contrary, he had read him, and that he had
    been captivated by the power of thought and the works of this man).
    Einstein, however, never cites Poincaré in his works, which is frankly abnormal and deliberate. We have the same thing today in France with a professor who wrote a book "the origins of the theory of relativity". The author cites dozens of people (Galileo, Lorentz, Einstein, Larmor, etc.), dozens...
    Not once does he cite Poincaré. Poincaré never existed. It's becoming surreal. Even in the smallest footnote paragraph, Poincaré is not cited.
    Many saw it as an attitude of voluntary censorship by a French person
    against a French person. All this is obviously very abnormal, especially
    since W=mc² is Poincaré. The expansion of chronotropy is Poincaré. The correct transformations of Galilean relativity (Lorentz) are Poincaré.
    Note that Einstein was nationalized American. It's not trivial either. He
    was no longer European, but American. He will say himself: I hate the
    German people. Einstein was a traitor to Germany
    in the sense that he lies by omission. He does not say that Nazism in
    Germany was the work of the Americans. He does not say "the Americans were odious, they pushed Europe into civil war, they financed Germany to attack France and Russia, then they wanted to occupy and colonize half of the
    world." Europe".
    Einstein doesn't say that. He says he hates the Germans for what they did
    to the Jews, but does not explain who ordered and who financed the
    destruction of Europe from within.
    Last thing: Einstein deviated Poincaré's current of thought much more
    than he carried it further. In everything that relativistic physicists
    added AFTER Poincaré, almost everything is false.


    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 12:19:49 2024
    Le 22/07/2024 à 07:44, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Well, I'm afraid your correct.

    But what can we do?


    My proposal: we need to change the future!

    This is actually very easy and goes like this:

    if 'bad guys' have time-machines, we could make the use of them really dangerous by very simple means:

    Simmply use (occasionally) a coin to decide what you do.

    think about two possible activities, which are both equally good for
    you. Then flip a coin and do, which action you had assigned to either
    side of the coin and which side comes up.

    This is simple, but would alter the future, hence make all predictions
    about the future worthless.

    This is actually good for 'good guys' because those have no time
    machines and are therefore not threatend by 'future manipulation'.

    But 'bad guys' apparently use 'time-travel', what is a VERY powerful weapon.

    You and everybodey else could make that a little more adventurous, if
    you decide to make thinks only better and nicer that necessary and if
    you bring an element of unpredictability into the world, which is based
    on flipping a coin.

    There's not much we can do.

    It is much easier to destroy than to build, which is why generally, as the Bible says: “The wicked gets fat, and the poor wastes.”

    As for time travel, this poses two insoluble problems, firstly that of
    logic and causality, then that of the principles of the theory of
    relativity whose equations we cannot invent as we wish.

    Relativity tells us that we can easily travel into the future, but that it
    will be physically and mathematically a journey of no return. We can only travel in one direction, even if we can travel faster or slower in that direction by using relativistic speeds.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 13:00:06 2024
    Le 22/07/2024 à 13:29, Mikko a écrit :
    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    And the practical problem of synchronization of clocks at diffrent locations.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 08:27:47 2024
    Am Montag000022, 22.07.2024 um 14:19 schrieb Richard Hachel:

    My proposal: we need to change the future!

    This is actually very easy and goes like this:

    if 'bad guys' have time-machines, we could make the use of them really
    dangerous by very simple means:

    Simmply use (occasionally) a coin to decide what you do.

    think about two possible activities, which are both equally good for
    you. Then flip a coin and do, which action you had assigned to either
    side of the coin and which side comes up.

    This is simple, but would alter the future, hence make all predictions
    about the future worthless.

    This is actually good for 'good guys' because those have no time
    machines and are therefore not threatend by 'future manipulation'.

    But 'bad guys' apparently use 'time-travel', what is a VERY powerful
    weapon.

    You and everybodey else could make that a little more adventurous, if
    you decide to make thinks only better and nicer that necessary and if
    you bring an element of unpredictability into the world, which is
    based on flipping a coin.

    There's not much we can do.

    It is much easier to destroy than to build, which is why generally, as
    the Bible says: “The wicked gets fat, and the poor wastes.”

    It's easier to destroy, sure, but that is the reason, why 'to build' is
    the best way to distort the future in an unpredictable way.

    It has to do with the term 'entropy', which also means 'disorder'.

    If you willfully lower entropy in your personal environment (mainly) and
    also elsewhere, you create soemthing, which natur does not expect.

    Usually entropy always increases, hence things become broken, system in disorder and cold things get warm.

    It takes time and efford to undo this and to work in the 'wrong' direction.

    If you do this secretly, it will become entirely unpredictable and
    therefore the equations of the time-devices become wrong and the
    timetravelers get katapulted into the wrong universe.

    For you this is irrelevant, because you will most likely have no time
    machine.

    Lower entropy is actually better for you and your health and you will
    most likely profit from cleaning your home, fixing things and being
    helpfull to your loved ones.

    ...

    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 08:16:39 2024
    Am Montag000022, 22.07.2024 um 13:29 schrieb Mikko:


    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    And the practical problem of synchronization of clocks at diffrent
    locations.


    I don't think so, because Poincaré was a mathematician and
    mathematicians are not known for practical thinking.

    It was actually Einstein, who thought about synchronization of remote
    clocks and how that could be done.

    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 08:37:46 2024
    Am Montag000022, 22.07.2024 um 14:55 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 22/07/2024 à 07:33, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics,

    I find you very harsh.

    No, that was not my intention.

    But I had the idea, that mathematicians mainly think in terms of
    mathematics. But math and physics are not the same thing.

    Poincaré was actually an extremly good mathematician.

    And I was personally unable to understand most of his work.

    But Poincaré wasn't my topic, anyhow, hence I noticed Poincare and tried
    to read a bit of 'Sur le dynamic d'electron' in French.

    Unfortunately I cannot speak French good enough, only a little bit.

    His math is also way too difficult for me.

    I have read a few papers about Poincare, hence I know a litle bit about
    his work from second sources. But that's more or less it.


    TH

    The Poincaré equations in relativistic physics are magnificent.
    They are true, they are beautiful, they are coherent.
    Einstein, next door, is Laurel and Hardy.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Mikko on Tue Jul 23 09:33:58 2024
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 � 09:03, Thomas Heger a �crit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, hence
    that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful. >>>>>>
    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be >>>>>> told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth, >>>>> Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how
    stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+
    errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least >>>> a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincar�, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.
    (Ecole Polytechnique, Ecole des Mines)
    He also worked as an engineer for much of his life,
    in mining, beside his work as a mathematician.
    He wandered into mathematics from there, not the other way round.
    He was first of all a thoroughly practical man, just like Einstein.

    And the practical problem of synchronization of clocks at diffrent locations.

    [sorry about replying over your head, missing article on my server]

    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 10:20:33 2024
    W dniu 23.07.2024 o 09:33, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, hence
    that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful. >>>>>>>>
    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be >>>>>>>> told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth, >>>>>>> Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how >>>>>>> stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+ >>>>>> errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least >>>>>> a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincaré, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.
    (Ecole Polytechnique, Ecole des Mines)
    He also worked as an engineer for much of his life,
    in mining, beside his work as a mathematician.
    He wandered into mathematics from there, not the other way round.
    He was first of all a thoroughly practical man, just like Einstein.

    Einstein - a thoroughly practical man. Buhahahahahahahahaha.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 24 08:12:53 2024
    Am Dienstag000023, 23.07.2024 um 09:33 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, hence
    that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be useful. >>>>>>>>
    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we would be >>>>>>>> told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing Earth, >>>>>>> Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, somewhat, how >>>>>>> stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+ >>>>>> errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least >>>>>> a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincaré, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.

    Einstein was actually teacher from training.

    That Poincaré was an engineer was new for me.


    ..

    TH

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Wed Jul 24 11:39:45 2024
    Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

    Am Dienstag000023, 23.07.2024 um 09:33 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 � 09:03, Thomas Heger a �crit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, >>>>>>>> hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts >>>>>>>> of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be >>>>>>>>useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of >>>>>>>>efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we >>>>>>>> would be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing >>>>>>> Earth, Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize,
    somewhat, how stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+ >>>>>> errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least
    a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively
    debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincar�, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.

    Einstein was actually teacher from training.

    More nonsense.
    Einstein graduated from the ETH Zurich as an engineer, period,
    just like any other engineer.
    They didn't have 'teaching only' degrees. [1]

    What is true is that Einstein prefered the general physics courses,
    and that he avoided specialised subjects as much as possible.
    He was, and wanted to be a generalist.
    It seems plausible that he got his job at the patent office
    precisely because of that.

    That Poincar� was an engineer was new for me.

    This is typical of you. You proclaim all kinds of things
    without bothering for a moment to look at readily available sources
    for even a little amount of fact check,

    Jan

    [1] In those days it was not unusual at all for any kind of engineer
    or other university graduate to take a high school teaching job.
    [they could work on a thesis in their free time]

    Paid academic positions, apart from full professorships,
    were practically non-existent.
    Lorentz too taught in a secondary school, for a while.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 08:58:22 2024
    Am Mittwoch000024, 24.07.2024 um 11:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

    Am Dienstag000023, 23.07.2024 um 09:33 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, >>>>>>>>>> hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts >>>>>>>>>> of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be >>>>>>>>>> useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of >>>>>>>>>> efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we >>>>>>>>>> would be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing >>>>>>>>> Earth, Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize,
    somewhat, how stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+ >>>>>>>> errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view >>>>>>>>
    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least
    a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively >>>>>>> debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincaré, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.

    Einstein was actually teacher from training.

    More nonsense.
    Einstein graduated from the ETH Zurich as an engineer, period,
    just like any other engineer.
    They didn't have 'teaching only' degrees. [1]

    I have read, that Einstein got a degree as teacher for physics.

    But, as a matter of fact, I cannot proof this and it is also of little
    interest for me.

    What is true is that Einstein prefered the general physics courses,
    and that he avoided specialised subjects as much as possible.
    He was, and wanted to be a generalist.
    It seems plausible that he got his job at the patent office
    precisely because of that.

    I have regarded it as questionable, that stateless foreigners could work
    in an 'Amt', where usually only born citizens could work (because the
    Patentamt was security critical).

    My conclusion from this was, that Einstein WAS in fact born in
    Swizzerland and his CV therefore a fake.

    Why Swizzerland did that and why they tried to derail common science,
    that is a riddle for me.

    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.


    That Poincaré was an engineer was new for me.

    This is typical of you. You proclaim all kinds of things
    without bothering for a moment to look at readily available sources
    for even a little amount of fact check,

    Well, you always have some gaps in what you know.

    About Poincaré and his personal life I have actually very few informations.

    But what exactly are you trying to prove with this´?

    ...


    TH

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Thu Jul 25 10:25:48 2024
    Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

    Am Mittwoch000024, 24.07.2024 um 11:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

    Am Dienstag000023, 23.07.2024 um 09:33 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 � 09:03, Thomas Heger a �crit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, >>>>>>>>>> hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts >>>>>>>>>> of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be >>>>>>>>>> useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of >>>>>>>>>> efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we >>>>>>>>>> would be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing >>>>>>>>> Earth, Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, >>>>>>>>> somewhat, how stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+ >>>>>>>> errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/vie
    w

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at >>>>>>>> least a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively >>>>>>> debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincar�, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.

    Einstein was actually teacher from training.

    More nonsense.
    Einstein graduated from the ETH Zurich as an engineer, period,
    just like any other engineer.
    They didn't have 'teaching only' degrees. [1]

    I have read, that Einstein got a degree as teacher for physics.

    But, as a matter of fact, I cannot proof this and it is also of little interest for me.

    Yes, this was just another of your self-invented 'facts'.

    What is true is that Einstein prefered the general physics courses,
    and that he avoided specialised subjects as much as possible.
    He was, and wanted to be a generalist.
    It seems plausible that he got his job at the patent office
    precisely because of that.

    I have regarded it as questionable, that stateless foreigners could work
    in an 'Amt', where usually only born citizens could work (because the Patentamt was security critical).

    Einstein wasn't a stateless foreigner, he was a Swiss citizen,
    and had been that since 1901.
    And he had an academic degree from a Swiss university
    that qualified him for the job.

    That 'born citizens only' thing is
    just another of your self-invented non-facts.

    My conclusion from this was, that Einstein WAS in fact born in
    Swizzerland and his CV therefore a fake.

    Why Swizzerland did that and why they tried to derail common science,
    that is a riddle for me.

    Whatever the data, you will without fail arrive at the wrong comclusion.
    You are as useful for direction finding as a broken compass
    that never points north. If you say something it must be wrong.

    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.


    That Poincar� was an engineer was new for me.

    This is typical of you. You proclaim all kinds of things
    without bothering for a moment to look at readily available sources
    for even a little amount of fact check,

    Well, you always have some gaps in what you know.

    About Poincar� and his personal life I have actually very few informations.

    But what exactly are you trying to prove with this�?

    That you are a complete idiot.
    Certainly you could have seen that for yourself?

    Jan

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Thu Jul 25 10:28:50 2024
    On 2024-07-25 06:58:22 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Mittwoch000024, 24.07.2024 um 11:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

    Am Dienstag000023, 23.07.2024 um 09:33 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

    On 2024-07-22 05:33:26 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Sonntag000021, 21.07.2024 um 13:36 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 21.07.2024 o 12:40, Python pisze:
    Le 21/07/2024 à 09:03, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000020, 20.07.2024 um 16:08 schrieb Python:
    ...
    The number of errors in einstein's paper is also extremely large, >>>>>>>>>>> hence that 'system' would need permanent control over large parts >>>>>>>>>>> of science.

    Also a mechanism for sanctions against dissidents would be >>>>>>>>>>> useful.

    But for what reasons would any system take such an amount of >>>>>>>>>>> efforts???

    Certainly something not very beneficial, because otherwise we >>>>>>>>>>> would be told about it.

    Even as fond you are to pathetically stupid "theories" (growing >>>>>>>>>> Earth, Hitler is a British spy, etc.) you seem to realize, >>>>>>>>>> somewhat, how stupid your claims are?

    There is a far simpler way to explain everything
    - There are no significant mistakes in Einstein's article

    This is actually a counterfactual 'sanction'!

    You didn't even mention my 'annotated version of SRT' and the 400+ >>>>>>>>> errors I have found in Einstein's paper.

    Here it is:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkhX-B5u7X4ga0QH-C53RddjQGctZVdo/view

    If you think, that I made 400+ errors myself, than please show at least
    a single one.

    Come on, Thomas. A lot of yours claims there has been extensively >>>>>>>> debunked here, by me and others.



    Whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Poincare was a mathematician and a very good one.

    He wandered into physics, because he was dealing with the Lorentz
    transformation and with Maxwells equations.

    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincaré, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.

    Einstein was actually teacher from training.

    More nonsense.
    Einstein graduated from the ETH Zurich as an engineer, period,
    just like any other engineer.
    They didn't have 'teaching only' degrees. [1]

    I have read,

    Where? Citation please.

    that Einstein got a degree as teacher for physics.

    But, as a matter of fact, I cannot proof this

    Of course not. Most of your fantasies cannot be proved.

    and it is also of little interest for me.

    Why say it then?

    What is true is that Einstein prefered the general physics courses,
    and that he avoided specialised subjects as much as possible.
    He was, and wanted to be a generalist.
    It seems plausible that he got his job at the patent office
    precisely because of that.

    I have regarded it as questionable, that stateless foreigners could
    work in an 'Amt', where usually only born citizens could work (because
    the Patentamt was security critical).

    My conclusion from this was, that Einstein WAS in fact born in
    Swizzerland and his CV therefore a fake.

    Fantasy again.

    Why Swizzerland did that and why they tried to derail common science,
    that is a riddle for me.

    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.


    That Poincaré was an engineer was new for me.

    This is typical of you. You proclaim all kinds of things
    without bothering for a moment to look at readily available sources
    for even a little amount of fact check,

    Well, you always have some gaps in what you know.

    About Poincaré and his personal life I have actually very few informations.

    But what exactly are you trying to prove with this´?

    ...


    TH


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 13:28:55 2024
    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?

    And you pretend not to be demented?!

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 16:10:07 2024
    W dniu 25.07.2024 o 13:28, Python pisze:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?

    And you pretend not to be demented?!

    And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 16:13:14 2024
    Le 25/07/2024 à 16:10, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 25.07.2024 o 13:28, Python pisze:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have
    exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?

    And you pretend not to be demented?!

    And whatever you say ...

    You have an opinion about a swiss-driven worldwide conspiration
    involving time-travel and the philosophical stone, Wozniak :-D ?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 15:03:45 2024
    Le 25/07/2024 à 16:34, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No. Do you still rape your daughters, Python?
    Whether you do or don't - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    Uważaj, zgłosi cię do międzynarodowego trybunału karnego za
    komentarze przeciwko Pythonowi.


    He's a real stinker python, and not only in usenet.

    Jean-Pierre is killer!

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 16:34:45 2024
    W dniu 25.07.2024 o 16:13, Python pisze:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 16:10, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 25.07.2024 o 13:28, Python pisze:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have
    exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?

    And you pretend not to be demented?!

    And whatever you say ...

    You have an opinion about a swiss-driven worldwide conspiration
    involving time-travel and the philosophical stone, Wozniak :-D ?

    No. Do you still rape your daughters, Python?
    Whether you do or don't - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Python on Thu Jul 25 18:35:28 2024
    On 2024-07-25 11:28:55 +0000, Python said:

    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold,

    Apparently his ignorance of chemistry matches his ignorance of physics.

    which they wanted to have exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?

    And you pretend not to be demented?!


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Athel Cornish-Bowden on Thu Jul 25 23:41:39 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:35:28 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    On 2024-07-25 11:28:55 +0000, Python said:

    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine
    or device to synthesize Gold,

    Apparently his ignorance of chemistry matches his ignorance of physics.

    I believe in one-way time machines: Just hustle.
    I believe in synthesizing gold: Get a neutron generator and
    neutron-activate
    a few kg, er ... a few nuclei of Hg. Mostly, though, you'll just change
    the
    isotopic ratios of Hg.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 01:05:35 2024
    Le 26/07/2024 à 01:41, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:35:28 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    On 2024-07-25 11:28:55 +0000, Python said:

    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine
    or device to synthesize Gold,

    Apparently his ignorance of chemistry matches his ignorance of physics.

    I believe in one-way time machines: Just hustle.
    I believe in synthesizing gold: Get a neutron generator and
    neutron-activate
    a few kg, er ... a few nuclei of Hg. Mostly, though, you'll just change
    the
    isotopic ratios of Hg.

    The time machine is something very amusing, but it is science fiction.
    It is above all another abstract theory.
    Those who think, and there are many of them, that we can go back in time,
    or that we can find tachyons are deluding themselves. They show by this
    that they do not have complete knowledge of the theory of relativity.
    To think that we can find tachyons, or that we can go back in time, is
    just as absurd as looking for rabbit horns and blue unicorns.
    Let's take the example of a perfectly stupid university professor, who
    will set his mind on finding two natural squares, one of which would be
    double the other, or one of which would be triple the other.
    Simple mathematical reasoning proves that this is impossible, with the
    most perfect certainty.
    The same goes for time machines, it's impossible, abstract, it doesn't
    exist in our universe, and what's more, the notions of breaking causality
    would be so terrifying and so grotesque, that we quickly lose the simple
    desire to think about it.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 09:30:31 2024
    Am Donnerstag000025, 25.07.2024 um 13:28 schrieb Python:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?


    Well, they still produce cheese by devices called 'cow'.

    But what if the LHC is actually a weapon or a time machine?


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 09:42:49 2024
    Am Donnerstag000025, 25.07.2024 um 18:35 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
    On 2024-07-25 11:28:55 +0000, Python said:

    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine or device to synthesize Gold,

    Apparently his ignorance of chemistry matches his ignorance of physics.

    Long ago I was quite good in chemistry and had an own little laboratory
    in our basement.

    Nothing exploded and all went safe, but I gave that off, anyhow.

    But especially organic chemistry was the topic in school in what was
    called 'Leistungskurs' (difficult to explain what that is: kind of
    special interest enhanced education in the classes 11-13 in the German
    advanced schools called 'Gymnasium').

    But even if I have lost interest in chemistry, I have still good
    memories about it and enhanced education.

    ..

    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 09:36:12 2024
    Am Donnerstag000025, 25.07.2024 um 16:13 schrieb Python:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 16:10, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 25.07.2024 o 13:28, Python pisze:
    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have
    exclusively.

    What about a device to synthesize cheese instead?

    And you pretend not to be demented?!

    And whatever you say ...

    You have an opinion about a swiss-driven worldwide conspiration
    involving time-travel and the philosophical stone, Wozniak :-D ?


    There is a group, which is called 'World Conomic Forum', which is
    directed by the failed Bond-villian 'Klaus Schwab'.

    So, possibly, Davos and this group is the headquarter of the 'New World
    Order' (aka 'The Great Reset').

    Actually I don't think so, because this groups is too small and Klaus
    Schwab not a particulairly carismatic leader.

    (Possibly the headquaters is in Geneva.)


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 09:54:10 2024
    Am Freitag000026, 26.07.2024 um 01:41 schrieb gharnagel:
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:35:28 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

    On 2024-07-25 11:28:55 +0000, Python said:

    Le 25/07/2024 à 08:58, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ...
    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time
    machine
    or device to synthesize Gold,

    Apparently his ignorance of chemistry matches his ignorance of physics.

    I believe in one-way time machines: Just hustle.
    I believe in synthesizing gold: Get a neutron generator and
    neutron-activate
    a few kg, er ... a few nuclei of Hg.  Mostly, though, you'll just change
    the
    isotopic ratios of Hg.

    Like almost everybody else, you think way too 'materialistic'.

    I suggest: stop thinking about material objects like particles, but
    think about structures.

    In my view timelike stable structures are what we call 'matter'.

    If you want to make matter diappear, you simply need to compromise
    stability and then matter would 'roll away'.

    This is way more easy than you think:

    you would need to find specific resonance frequencies of your material
    object, modulate those upon a carrier wave and send a beam upon you
    object. Then you need to change the frequency a little.

    This would 'derail' stability and matter would disintegrate.

    The opposite could be possible, too, and you could create matter out of nothing, by specially designed waves.

    Fortunately I have absolutely no idea, what the frequencies are and how
    you could actually create these waves, but wanted to mention the
    possibility to create matter out of nothing by e.g. pulsed micro-waves.

    This is actually observed occasionally in a rare phenomenon called
    'magic dust', where dust apears in unlikely places out of nowhere.


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 09:28:14 2024
    Am Donnerstag000025, 25.07.2024 um 10:25 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    .
    So you got that wrong too. (can't you ever get anything right?)
    Poincaré, like Einstein, was an engineer by training.

    Einstein was actually teacher from training.

    More nonsense.
    Einstein graduated from the ETH Zurich as an engineer, period,
    just like any other engineer.
    They didn't have 'teaching only' degrees. [1]

    I have read, that Einstein got a degree as teacher for physics.

    But, as a matter of fact, I cannot proof this and it is also of little
    interest for me.

    Yes, this was just another of your self-invented 'facts'.

    'I have little interest' is actually true, whether you believe me or not.

    Ok, possibly you won't regard that as fact, because that is not what you
    think.

    BUT: facts are independent of your believes.


    What is true is that Einstein prefered the general physics courses,
    and that he avoided specialised subjects as much as possible.
    He was, and wanted to be a generalist.
    It seems plausible that he got his job at the patent office
    precisely because of that.

    I have regarded it as questionable, that stateless foreigners could work
    in an 'Amt', where usually only born citizens could work (because the
    Patentamt was security critical).

    Einstein wasn't a stateless foreigner, he was a Swiss citizen,
    and had been that since 1901.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

    Einstein was born in 14 March 1879.

    This means, that he acquired Swiss citizenship at the age of 22 and
    renounced German citizenship at the age of 16.

    About both statements I have doubts, because I don't think, that they
    are actually possible.

    Especially sceptical I'm about the possibility to renounce German
    citizenship, if you are 16 years old and want to become stateless.

    As far as I know, German citizenship could only be laid off, if another
    country grants you citizenship and you are able to prove this.

    Also: minors (below the age of 21) could not do anything with out their
    parents in those days in Germany.


    And he had an academic degree from a Swiss university
    that qualified him for the job.

    Qualification is just one of the requirements for the status as state
    official, which were called 'Beamter' (because they work in an 'Amt') in
    the German speaking world.

    About Swiss laws I don't know much, but assume they had somehow
    equivalent rules in those days.

    But in Germany there was no chance to become 'Beamter', if you were not
    a born citizen.

    That 'born citizens only' thing is
    just another of your self-invented non-facts.

    Well, possibly the Swiss allowed foreigners to become Beamter, but
    actually I don't think so, because the Swiss were most likely not that
    liberal in respect to foreigners.

    My conclusion from this was, that Einstein WAS in fact born in
    Swizzerland and his CV therefore a fake.

    Why Swizzerland did that and why they tried to derail common science,
    that is a riddle for me.

    Whatever the data, you will without fail arrive at the wrong comclusion.
    You are as useful for direction finding as a broken compass
    that never points north. If you say something it must be wrong.


    Not quite.

    I usually try to find a better explanation for the same facts.

    This is called a 'hypothesis'.

    Such a hypothesis might be correct but it is very often not correct.

    I either case it is still a valid hypothesis.

    In case of nobody is able to disprove it, this hypothesis is advanced to
    what is called 'theory'.

    Possibly the Swiss had developed something useful, like a time machine
    or device to synthesize Gold, which they wanted to have exclusively.



    I opt on: both....


    TH

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  • From Jami =?iso-8859-2?b?UGV09Q==?=@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Sat Jul 27 23:15:36 2024
    XPost: sci.math, sci.physics

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Mittwoch000024, 24.07.2024 um 11:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
    What is true is that Einstein prefered the general physics courses, and
    that he avoided specialised subjects as much as possible.
    He was, and wanted to be a generalist.
    It seems plausible that he got his job at the patent office precisely
    because of that.

    I have regarded it as questionable, that stateless foreigners could work
    in an 'Amt', where usually only born citizens could work (because the Patentamt was security critical). My conclusion from this was, that
    Einstein WAS in fact born in Swizzerland and his CV therefore a fake.

    the gay capitalism showing man testicle on TV ol 2024. They certainly dont expect mercy right now. They killed france on record for fuck sake. That
    gay macrone is guilty like shit

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