• The relativistic cage paradox

    From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 10:06:09 2024
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage paradox.

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in the
    cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    But what is very interesting is that lots of people, each as uneducated as
    the next,
    want to give their opinion.
    Most admit that they don't understand anything (they are the most honest)
    and a few attempt explanations that are often stupid.

    It's obviously very saddening, but not so much to see idiots talking
    stupidly, no.

    The sad thing is here, on the Usenet forums, in the sense that we are
    going to spit on the geniuses (let's not be vulgar and disastrously
    humble) who know how to respond, with unequaled precision, beauty and
    logic.

    This is saddening.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 13:24:46 2024
    Le 18/06/2024 à 12:06, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage paradox.

    link?

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in the
    cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    link? Nothing can be find either in French or English from this quote.
    You are well known for forging quotes for decades, by the way.

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.

    [snip idiotic whining]

    The pie is on the road.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 14:03:52 2024
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 13:24, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 12:06, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage paradox.

    link?

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in the
    cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    link? Nothing can be find either in French or English from this quote.
    You are well known for forging quotes for decades, by the way.

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.


    No more interesting than paradoxes developed
    by any other religion.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 14:08:13 2024
    Le 18/06/2024 à 14:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 13:24, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 12:06, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage paradox.

    link?

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in
    the cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    link? Nothing can be find either in French or English from this quote.
    You are well known for forging quotes for decades, by the way.

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.


    No more interesting than paradoxes developed
    by any other religion.


    What? One the "best logicians Humanity ever had" (LOL) is not
    interested? How sad...

    So go back to your room, Wozniak. Nurses will be there at 4pm
    for your daily treatment.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 14:57:25 2024
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 14:08, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 14:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 13:24, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 12:06, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage paradox. >>>
    link?

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in
    the cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    link? Nothing can be find either in French or English from this quote.
    You are well known for forging quotes for decades, by the way.

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.


    No more interesting than paradoxes developed
    by any other religion.


    What? One the "best logicians Humanity ever had" (LOL) is not
    interested? How sad...

    Whatever you imagine, the mumble of your
    bunch od idiots is not at all more interesting
    than the delusions of other religious maniacs.

    So go back to your room, Wozniak. Nurses will be there at 4pm
    for your daily treatment.

    See, trash - I've proven the idiocies
    of your insane guru to be not even consistent,
    and you can do nothing about it apart of
    barking, lying and slandering. But you'll
    do what you can for your moronic church -
    that's what it trains its doggies for,
    after all.




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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 15:15:11 2024
    Le 18/06/2024 à 14:57, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 14:08, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 14:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 13:24, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 12:06, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage
    paradox.

    link?

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in
    the cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    link? Nothing can be find either in French or English from this quote. >>>> You are well known for forging quotes for decades, by the way.

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.


    No more interesting than paradoxes developed
    by any other religion.


    What? One the "best logicians Humanity ever had" (LOL) is not
    interested? How sad...

    Whatever you imagine, the mumble of your
    bunch od idiots is not at all more interesting
    than the delusions of other religious maniacs.

    As far as I know religions didn't predict correctly the outcome of
    experiments, behaviour of devices or astronomic measures. SR and
    GR do.

    So go back to your room, Wozniak. Nurses will be there at 4pm
    for your daily treatment.

    See, trash - I've proven the idiocies
    of [snip profanities] to be not even consistent,

    You did nothing of that kind. Your argument about definition
    of a second in Einstein's times is ridiculous. Even compared
    to your other blunders.

    [snip whining]

    Like "doctor" Hachel you've never convinced ANYONE that your
    claims are correct. How come Maciej?

    By the way, you can now use all the time made free by not being
    interested by SR in trying to figure out how and why the concept
    of function emerged in History and how it has been defined here
    and there. Good luck!

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 16:49:24 2024
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 15:15, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 14:57, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 14:08, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 14:03, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 18.06.2024 o 13:24, Python pisze:
    Le 18/06/2024 à 12:06, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage
    paradox.

    link?

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in >>>>>> the cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    link? Nothing can be find either in French or English from this quote. >>>>> You are well known for forging quotes for decades, by the way.

    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.


    No more interesting than paradoxes developed
    by any other religion.


    What? One the "best logicians Humanity ever had" (LOL) is not
    interested? How sad...

    Whatever you imagine, the mumble of your
    bunch od idiots is not at all more interesting
    than the delusions of other religious maniacs.

    As far as I know religions didn't predict correctly the outcome of experiments,

    Neither you do. But, of course, you can scream
    that you did and slander those who deny.
    Any religion can do that.



    behaviour of devices or astronomic measures. SR and
    GR do.

    So go back to your room, Wozniak. Nurses will be there at 4pm
    for your daily treatment.

    See, trash - I've proven the idiocies
    of [snip profanities] to be not even consistent,

    You did nothing of that kind. Your argument about definition
    of a second in Einstein's times is ridiculous.

    Yes, I did. I have pointed directly 2 denying
    themself predictions of the physics of
    your idiot guru. And a fanatic piece
    of shit waving arms, screaming "ridiculus!",
    barking and slandering - changes nothing.
    Really.

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 19:53:10 2024
    Den 18.06.2024 12:06, skrev Richard Hachel:
    I notice a website where they talk about the relativistic cage paradox.

    And it says: "If the animal is smaller than the cage, it can be in the
    cage; but if the cage is smaller, it cannot be in the cage."

    What's the point with stating such an obviously true statement?


    This ties in with the paradox of the train and the tunnel.

    A scientist with a doctorate and three Nobel Prizes in physics
    will know that there is no paradox, of course.

    Do you think it is a paradox?

    If so, is it because you, Doctor Hachel, were lying when you
    claimed to have a doctorate and three Nobel Prizes?


    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 18:06:38 2024
    Le 18/06/2024 à 13:24, Python a écrit :

    Which is easily solved. It illustrates well the relativity of
    simultaneity. A more interesting one is the bug rivet paradox.

    C'est un paradoxe à la con.

    Un de plus.

    Je te l'ai déjà dit : "Les hommes jettent de la poussière en l'air, et quand elle retombe, ils se plaignent
    de ne plus y voir".

    Il ne peut pas y avoir de paradoxe. C'est universellement impossible.
    S'il y en a, c'est QU'ON A MAL POSE LA QUESTION.

    Respirez, soufflez...

    Dans l'exemple, on considère que le premier observateur est dans le référentiel de l apièce, et qu'il voit arriver le rivet. Mais où se
    trouve l'observateur?

    Il est dans la pièce, et, il voit un rivet plus court.

    l'=l.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)

    Donc, il ne faut pas tergiverser, et tout de suite, deux grandes claques
    dans la gueule au connard
    qui veut faire le singe avec ses rivets (on en deviendrait même violent,
    je te laisse contacter le con qui a fait ce pdf) : le rivet est plus court
    que la pièce. POINT FINAL.

    Bon après, tu vas forcément avoir les jérémiades à la con des
    physiciens relativistes, genre "Hachel il fait chier", "Hachel il nous
    fait de l'ombre".... Pffff...

    J'ai dit POINT FINAL.

    Mais les connards, ils continuent, ils veulent faire chier.

    Ils disent "Gnagnagnagna, oui mais dans le référentiel du rivet, c'est
    la pièce qui est plus courte..."

    Mais quelle bande d'abruuuutis!!!

    Ils veulent faire chier...

    MAIS NON! La pièce n'est pas plus courte, c'est simplement que
    l'observateur placé dans le référentiel du rivet voit l'ensemble du dispositif est dévié d'un angle alpha', et qu'il l'oublie.

    Encore que même s'il l'oublie pas il va continuer à appliquer une
    simple contraction qui n'est pas géométriquement correcte. Mais bon.

    En fait, le rivet garde sa taille initiale, mais le dispositif est PLUS
    LONG (et non plus court).

    Il va donc y avoir concordance parfaite entre les deux observateurs.

    Il ne faut par croire que l'axe de visée des deux observateurs est
    confondu. C'est peut-être ça qui provoque une partie du paradoxe qu'ils
    se créent.

    <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?J-iBq2g17F9hRHTmAe2Ndta40JY@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    Ici, Ox' est plus LONG que Ox.

    R.H.

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