• Social fears motivate the herd of relativists.

    From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 11:14:16 2023
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse, and
    he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to put food on the table, by any means.

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Thu Oct 19 16:18:34 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:14:19 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse, and
    he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to
    put food on the table, by any means.

    Who opposes to relativity is antisemitic: A classic attack used for more than 100 years, by jew scientists like Einstein (1920, Gerber's issue).

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Thu Oct 19 16:20:03 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 8:18:36 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:14:19 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse,
    and he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to
    put food on the table, by any means.
    Who opposes to relativity is antisemitic: A classic attack used for more than 100 years, by jew scientists like Einstein (1920, Gerber's issue).

    Can any western "scientist" bear the weight of that label within his community? No way, isn't it?

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Thu Oct 19 21:15:22 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:14:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse, and
    he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to
    put food on the table, by any means.

    Get a life. This making up stories is asinine.

    --
    Jan

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to JanPB on Thu Oct 19 21:51:43 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:15:24 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:14:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse,
    and he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to
    put food on the table, by any means.
    Get a life. This making up stories is asinine.

    --
    Jan

    Read the history of Halton Arp, narrated by himself.

    You'll learn about the costs and the pain for moving out of the herd, following his strong and quite valid objections to the "common narrative".
    He was cancelled, even being a first class scientist.

    QUASARS, REDSHIFTS AND CONTROVERSIES
    Halton Arp
    Interstellar Media
    Berkeley, CA. Copyright © 1987

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Thu Oct 19 21:59:47 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:51:45 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:15:24 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:14:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse,
    and he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to
    put food on the table, by any means.
    Get a life. This making up stories is asinine.

    --
    Jan
    Read the history of Halton Arp, narrated by himself.

    You'll learn about the costs and the pain for moving out of the herd, following his strong and quite valid objections to the "common narrative".
    He was cancelled, even being a first class scientist.

    QUASARS, REDSHIFTS AND CONTROVERSIES
    Halton Arp
    Interstellar Media
    Berkeley, CA. Copyright © 1987


    Add Sir Fred Hoyle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hoyle

    "Hoyle's Cambridge years, 1945–1973, saw him rise to the top of world astrophysics theory, on the basis of a startling originality of ideas covering a very wide range of topics. In 1958, Hoyle was appointed Plumian Professor of Astronomy and
    Experimental Philosophy in Cambridge University. In 1967, he became the founding director of the Institute of Theoretical Astronomy (subsequently renamed the Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge), where his innovative leadership quickly led to this
    institution becoming one of the premier groups in the world for theoretical astrophysics".
    ......
    "Hoyle was knighted in 1972. Hoyle resigned his Plumian professor position in 1972 and his directorship of the institute in 1973, with this move effectively cutting him off from most of his establishment power-base, connections and steady salary."

    Curiously, the cancellations of Arp and Hoyle were due to their objections of the theory of the Big Bang, in particular when it was forcefully married to
    general relativity.

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  • From Ross Finlayson@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Sun Oct 22 16:37:07 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:51:45 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:15:24 AM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:14:19 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    Sociological explanation of the behavior of "fake relativists" (closet newtonians):


    "The human being, as a social animal, does not want to be left aside by his peers, discriminated against, isolated. So, for fear of social sanction, he does not really say what he thinks, because he perceives that the climate of opinion is adverse,
    and he prefers to remain silent or say that he agrees with the majority, even if he does not".

    Best explanation ever of the proliferation of "fake relativists". They have to
    put food on the table, by any means.
    Get a life. This making up stories is asinine.

    --
    Jan
    Read the history of Halton Arp, narrated by himself.

    You'll learn about the costs and the pain for moving out of the herd, following his strong and quite valid objections to the "common narrative".
    He was cancelled, even being a first class scientist.

    QUASARS, REDSHIFTS AND CONTROVERSIES
    Halton Arp
    Interstellar Media
    Berkeley, CA. Copyright © 1987

    Reading a copy of Heidegger's translation of Aristoteles' Metaphysics,
    about maintaining equi-interpretability and that the terms are classical,
    and quite full.

    Halton Arp I don't much mind, but, you know, I don't.

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