• [GUILTY] Trump Captured On Tape Talking About Classified Document He Ke

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    Trump Captured On Tape Talking About Classified Document He Kept After
    Leaving The White House



    Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021
    meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple
    sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified
    everything.

    The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material
    after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with
    the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would
    like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

    CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it.
    One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two
    minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a
    much longer meeting.

    Special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the Justice Department investigation into Trump, has focused on the meeting as part of the
    criminal investigation into Trump’s handling of national security secrets. Sources describe the recording as an “important” piece of evidence in a possible case against Trump, who has repeatedly asserted he could retain presidential records and “automatically” declassify documents.

    Prosecutors have asked witnesses about the recording and the document
    before a federal grand jury. The episode has generated enough interest for investigators to have questioned Gen. Mark Milley, one of the highest-
    ranking Trump-era national security officials, about the incident.

    The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New
    Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former
    chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former
    president, including communications specialist Margo Martin. The
    attendees, sources said, did not have security clearances that would allow
    them access to classified information. Meadows didn’t attend the meeting, sources said.

    Meadows’ autobiography includes an account of what appears to be the same meeting, during which Trump “recalls a four-page report typed up by
    (Trump’s former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mark Milley
    himself. It contained the general’s own plan to attack Iran, deploying
    massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more
    than once during his presidency.”

    The document Trump references was not produced by Milley, CNN was told.

    Investigators have questioned Milley about the episode in recent months,
    making him one of the highest-ranking national security officials from
    Trump’s administration to meet with the special counsel’s team. Milley’s spokesman Dave Butler declined to comment to CNN.

    The revelation that the former president and commander-in-chief has been captured on tape discussing a classified document could raise his legal exposure as he continues his third bid for the White House.

    Trump has denied any wrongdoing. CNN has reached out to a lawyer and
    spokesman for the former president.

    When asked at a CNN town hall this month if he showed classified documents
    he kept after the presidency to anyone, Trump answered: “Not really. I
    would have the right to. By the way, they were declassified after.”

    A lawyer for Meadows declined to comment. A lawyer for Martin declined to comment.

    Smith’s investigation has shown signs of nearing its end, though it hasn’t
    yet resulted in any criminal charges. A spokesman for the special
    counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

    Trump was outraged at New Yorker story on Milley and Iran

    The recording that’s now in the hands of prosecutors shows they are not
    only looking at Trump’s actions regarding classified documents recovered
    from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, but also at what happened at
    Bedminster a year earlier.

    The meeting in which Trump discussed the Iran document with others
    happened shortly after The New Yorker published a story by Susan Glasser detailing how, in the final days of Trump’s presidency, Milley instructed
    the Joint Chiefs to ensure Trump issued no illegal orders and that he be informed if there was any concern. The story infuriated Trump.


    Glasser reported that in the months following the election, Milley
    repeatedly argued against striking Iran and was concerned Trump “might set
    in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified.” Milley and others talked Trump out of taking such a drastic action, according to the New
    Yorker story.

    On the recording and in response to the story, Trump brings up the
    document, which he says came from Milley. Trump told those in the room
    that if he could show it to people, it would undermine what Milley was
    saying, the sources said. One source says Trump refers to the document as
    if it is in front of him.

    Several sources say the recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as
    if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document. There’s also laughter in the room that’s captured on
    the recording.


    The meeting took place well before Trump’s team shipped 15 boxes of presidential records and classified documents back to the National
    Archives and Records Administration in January 2022 after months of back- and-forth between his team and the records agency.

    The Justice Department later obtained additional documents with classified markings from Trump, seizing more than 100 during a search of Mar-a-Lago
    last August. Trump’s legal team hired people to search other Trump
    properties, including Bedminster, late last year.

    Investigators from the special counsel’s office also have asked in their document handling and obstruction investigation about other scenarios in
    which Trump may have shown national security documents, such as maps, to others, sources say. They’ve also asked several witnesses to share details about Trump’s anger toward Milley.

    During the summer of 2021, sources say multiple people were making
    recordings of Trump as he held conversations with journalists and
    biographers.


    Trump’s different explanations on the declassified documents

    Trump and his attorneys have given several different, often conflicting, explanations for why Trump didn’t intentionally retain classified
    materials in violation of federal law. 

    Initially, Trump allies argued he had a “standing declassification order”
    so that documents removed from the Oval Office were immediately
    declassified.  A few weeks later, Trump told Fox News that he could
    declassify things “just by thinking about it.”

    Earlier this year, Trump’s legal team told Congress that classified
    material was inadvertently packed up at the end of the administration.
    Most recently, Trump told CNN at a town hall that materials were
    “automatically declassified” when he took them.

    However, there’s no indication Trump followed the legally mandated declassification process, and his attorneys have avoided saying so far in
    court whether Trump declassified records he kept.

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    Trump Captured On Tape Talking About Classified Document He Kept After
    Leaving The White House



    Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021
    meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple
    sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified
    everything.

    The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material
    after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with
    the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would
    like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

    CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it.
    One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two
    minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a
    much longer meeting.

    Special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the Justice Department investigation into Trump, has focused on the meeting as part of the
    criminal investigation into Trump’s handling of national security secrets. Sources describe the recording as an “important” piece of evidence in a possible case against Trump, who has repeatedly asserted he could retain presidential records and “automatically” declassify documents.

    Prosecutors have asked witnesses about the recording and the document
    before a federal grand jury. The episode has generated enough interest for investigators to have questioned Gen. Mark Milley, one of the highest-
    ranking Trump-era national security officials, about the incident.

    The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New
    Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former
    chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former
    president, including communications specialist Margo Martin. The
    attendees, sources said, did not have security clearances that would allow
    them access to classified information. Meadows didn’t attend the meeting, sources said.

    Meadows’ autobiography includes an account of what appears to be the same meeting, during which Trump “recalls a four-page report typed up by
    (Trump’s former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mark Milley
    himself. It contained the general’s own plan to attack Iran, deploying
    massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more
    than once during his presidency.”

    The document Trump references was not produced by Milley, CNN was told.

    Investigators have questioned Milley about the episode in recent months,
    making him one of the highest-ranking national security officials from
    Trump’s administration to meet with the special counsel’s team. Milley’s spokesman Dave Butler declined to comment to CNN.

    The revelation that the former president and commander-in-chief has been captured on tape discussing a classified document could raise his legal exposure as he continues his third bid for the White House.

    Trump has denied any wrongdoing. CNN has reached out to a lawyer and
    spokesman for the former president.

    When asked at a CNN town hall this month if he showed classified documents
    he kept after the presidency to anyone, Trump answered: “Not really. I
    would have the right to. By the way, they were declassified after.”

    A lawyer for Meadows declined to comment. A lawyer for Martin declined to comment.

    Smith’s investigation has shown signs of nearing its end, though it hasn’t
    yet resulted in any criminal charges. A spokesman for the special
    counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

    Trump was outraged at New Yorker story on Milley and Iran

    The recording that’s now in the hands of prosecutors shows they are not
    only looking at Trump’s actions regarding classified documents recovered
    from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, but also at what happened at
    Bedminster a year earlier.

    The meeting in which Trump discussed the Iran document with others
    happened shortly after The New Yorker published a story by Susan Glasser detailing how, in the final days of Trump’s presidency, Milley instructed
    the Joint Chiefs to ensure Trump issued no illegal orders and that he be informed if there was any concern. The story infuriated Trump.


    Glasser reported that in the months following the election, Milley
    repeatedly argued against striking Iran and was concerned Trump “might set
    in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified.” Milley and others talked Trump out of taking such a drastic action, according to the New
    Yorker story.

    On the recording and in response to the story, Trump brings up the
    document, which he says came from Milley. Trump told those in the room
    that if he could show it to people, it would undermine what Milley was
    saying, the sources said. One source says Trump refers to the document as
    if it is in front of him.

    Several sources say the recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as
    if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document. There’s also laughter in the room that’s captured on
    the recording.


    The meeting took place well before Trump’s team shipped 15 boxes of presidential records and classified documents back to the National
    Archives and Records Administration in January 2022 after months of back- and-forth between his team and the records agency.

    The Justice Department later obtained additional documents with classified markings from Trump, seizing more than 100 during a search of Mar-a-Lago
    last August. Trump’s legal team hired people to search other Trump
    properties, including Bedminster, late last year.

    Investigators from the special counsel’s office also have asked in their document handling and obstruction investigation about other scenarios in
    which Trump may have shown national security documents, such as maps, to others, sources say. They’ve also asked several witnesses to share details about Trump’s anger toward Milley.

    During the summer of 2021, sources say multiple people were making
    recordings of Trump as he held conversations with journalists and
    biographers.


    Trump’s different explanations on the declassified documents

    Trump and his attorneys have given several different, often conflicting, explanations for why Trump didn’t intentionally retain classified
    materials in violation of federal law. 

    Initially, Trump allies argued he had a “standing declassification order”
    so that documents removed from the Oval Office were immediately
    declassified.  A few weeks later, Trump told Fox News that he could
    declassify things “just by thinking about it.”

    Earlier this year, Trump’s legal team told Congress that classified
    material was inadvertently packed up at the end of the administration.
    Most recently, Trump told CNN at a town hall that materials were
    “automatically declassified” when he took them.

    However, there’s no indication Trump followed the legally mandated declassification process, and his attorneys have avoided saying so far in
    court whether Trump declassified records he kept.

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    Trump Captured On Tape Talking About Classified Document He Kept After
    Leaving The White House



    Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021
    meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple
    sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified
    everything.

    The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material
    after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with
    the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would
    like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

    CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it.
    One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two
    minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a
    much longer meeting.

    Special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the Justice Department investigation into Trump, has focused on the meeting as part of the
    criminal investigation into Trump’s handling of national security secrets. Sources describe the recording as an “important” piece of evidence in a possible case against Trump, who has repeatedly asserted he could retain presidential records and “automatically” declassify documents.

    Prosecutors have asked witnesses about the recording and the document
    before a federal grand jury. The episode has generated enough interest for investigators to have questioned Gen. Mark Milley, one of the highest-
    ranking Trump-era national security officials, about the incident.

    The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New
    Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former
    chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former
    president, including communications specialist Margo Martin. The
    attendees, sources said, did not have security clearances that would allow
    them access to classified information. Meadows didn’t attend the meeting, sources said.

    Meadows’ autobiography includes an account of what appears to be the same meeting, during which Trump “recalls a four-page report typed up by
    (Trump’s former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mark Milley
    himself. It contained the general’s own plan to attack Iran, deploying
    massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more
    than once during his presidency.”

    The document Trump references was not produced by Milley, CNN was told.

    Investigators have questioned Milley about the episode in recent months,
    making him one of the highest-ranking national security officials from
    Trump’s administration to meet with the special counsel’s team. Milley’s spokesman Dave Butler declined to comment to CNN.

    The revelation that the former president and commander-in-chief has been captured on tape discussing a classified document could raise his legal exposure as he continues his third bid for the White House.

    Trump has denied any wrongdoing. CNN has reached out to a lawyer and
    spokesman for the former president.

    When asked at a CNN town hall this month if he showed classified documents
    he kept after the presidency to anyone, Trump answered: “Not really. I
    would have the right to. By the way, they were declassified after.”

    A lawyer for Meadows declined to comment. A lawyer for Martin declined to comment.

    Smith’s investigation has shown signs of nearing its end, though it hasn’t
    yet resulted in any criminal charges. A spokesman for the special
    counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

    Trump was outraged at New Yorker story on Milley and Iran

    The recording that’s now in the hands of prosecutors shows they are not
    only looking at Trump’s actions regarding classified documents recovered
    from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, but also at what happened at
    Bedminster a year earlier.

    The meeting in which Trump discussed the Iran document with others
    happened shortly after The New Yorker published a story by Susan Glasser detailing how, in the final days of Trump’s presidency, Milley instructed
    the Joint Chiefs to ensure Trump issued no illegal orders and that he be informed if there was any concern. The story infuriated Trump.


    Glasser reported that in the months following the election, Milley
    repeatedly argued against striking Iran and was concerned Trump “might set
    in motion a full-scale conflict that was not justified.” Milley and others talked Trump out of taking such a drastic action, according to the New
    Yorker story.

    On the recording and in response to the story, Trump brings up the
    document, which he says came from Milley. Trump told those in the room
    that if he could show it to people, it would undermine what Milley was
    saying, the sources said. One source says Trump refers to the document as
    if it is in front of him.

    Several sources say the recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as
    if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document. There’s also laughter in the room that’s captured on
    the recording.


    The meeting took place well before Trump’s team shipped 15 boxes of presidential records and classified documents back to the National
    Archives and Records Administration in January 2022 after months of back- and-forth between his team and the records agency.

    The Justice Department later obtained additional documents with classified markings from Trump, seizing more than 100 during a search of Mar-a-Lago
    last August. Trump’s legal team hired people to search other Trump
    properties, including Bedminster, late last year.

    Investigators from the special counsel’s office also have asked in their document handling and obstruction investigation about other scenarios in
    which Trump may have shown national security documents, such as maps, to others, sources say. They’ve also asked several witnesses to share details about Trump’s anger toward Milley.

    During the summer of 2021, sources say multiple people were making
    recordings of Trump as he held conversations with journalists and
    biographers.


    Trump’s different explanations on the declassified documents

    Trump and his attorneys have given several different, often conflicting, explanations for why Trump didn’t intentionally retain classified
    materials in violation of federal law. 

    Initially, Trump allies argued he had a “standing declassification order”
    so that documents removed from the Oval Office were immediately
    declassified.  A few weeks later, Trump told Fox News that he could
    declassify things “just by thinking about it.”

    Earlier this year, Trump’s legal team told Congress that classified
    material was inadvertently packed up at the end of the administration.
    Most recently, Trump told CNN at a town hall that materials were
    “automatically declassified” when he took them.

    However, there’s no indication Trump followed the legally mandated declassification process, and his attorneys have avoided saying so far in
    court whether Trump declassified records he kept.

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