• Re: Fermat's Last Secret

    From bassam karzeddin@21:1/5 to bassam king karzeddin on Mon Sep 25 10:29:49 2023
    On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:01:38 PM UTC+3, bassam king karzeddin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:48:47 +0200, "Ulrich Diez" <eu_an...@web.de.invalid> wrote:

    bassam king karzeddin wrote:

    "If (x) and (y) are two distinct integers belong
    to Z*, where (x) and (y) are prime to each other,
    and (n) is odd positive integer > grater than
    one, then there exist three integers (m, k, p),
    where (m) belongs to Z*, (k) belongs to N, (p) is
    prime number,
    where (m) and (p) are prime to each other, such
    that:

    x^ n + y^n + m*(p^(2^k)) = 0 "

    I'm not all too experienced in maths.
    I think not all points of the proof were outlined in
    detail.

    That's because it's not a full proof. Rather it's a
    proof based on a
    conjecture.

    So not everything is clear to me yet.
    Please let me summarize the "bassam king
    karzeddin"-proof in my words:

    Let v = -m , you get:
    x^ n + y^n - v*(p^(2^k)) = 0
    x^ n + y^n = v*(p^(2^k))

    m and p are prime to each other.
    v and p are prime to each other also/p is not a
    prime-factor of v.

    When looking at the exponents of the prime-factors
    of
    (x^n+y^n), you will for n >3 in any case find for at
    least one
    prime-factor (which is called p in the "bassam king
    karzeddin"-
    equation), that it's exponent is a non-negative
    integer-power of 2
    (, which means that the whole expression cannot be
    an
    odd positive integer-power > 1 of another
    integer-number).

    Did I get this right?

    Yes, that's the argument. The unproved part is the
    equation:

    x^ n + y^n + m*(p^(2^k)) = 0

    There's no proof that for any distinct coprime
    integers x,y, you can
    always find m,p,k satisfying the equation together
    with the
    requirements that p is prime, k is a nonnegative
    integer, and m is an
    integer relatively prime to p.

    If not: Please forgive my ignorance and tell me
    about the error in
    my understanding.
    If so: Please forgive my ignorance --I'm not a
    mathematician at all-- but
    how to prove this?

    Good question. As far as I can see, no proof or even
    partial proof of
    the conjectured equation has been provided by
    Karzeddin. His only
    claim is that "no counterexample exists", which is
    obviously not a
    proof.

    (Maybe there is an example where all prime-factor-
    exponents are not non-negative integer-powers of 2
    although the
    expression does not have the form x^n+y^n=z^n. I
    didn't find one
    yet and I hope that no one else will,

    Right -- maybe there is a counterexample. but so far,
    the conjecture
    has survived brute force attack.

    but perhaps a formal proof might be a remedy for all
    scepticalness.)

    A formal proof would be spectacular, since FLT would
    then be just a
    simple corollary.

    I don't have any feeling for why the conjecture
    should be true, hence,
    a counterexample wouldn't surprise me. In fact, I'm
    surprised that the
    conjecture didn't fall immediately to a simple brute
    force test with
    relatively small values of x,y,n.

    quasi

    And, there will be no counter example for sure

    Regards
    Bassam King Karzeddin
    6th, April, 2017

    Aren't the number theorists still clueless about it?

    Bkk

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  • From bassam karzeddin@21:1/5 to bassam king karzeddin on Sat Sep 30 04:15:52 2023
    On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:01:38 PM UTC+3, bassam king karzeddin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:48:47 +0200, "Ulrich Diez" <eu_an...@web.de.invalid> wrote:

    bassam king karzeddin wrote:

    "If (x) and (y) are two distinct integers belong
    to Z*, where (x) and (y) are prime to each other,
    and (n) is odd positive integer > grater than
    one, then there exist three integers (m, k, p),
    where (m) belongs to Z*, (k) belongs to N, (p) is
    prime number,
    where (m) and (p) are prime to each other, such
    that:

    x^ n + y^n + m*(p^(2^k)) = 0 "

    I'm not all too experienced in maths.
    I think not all points of the proof were outlined in
    detail.

    That's because it's not a full proof. Rather it's a
    proof based on a
    conjecture.

    So not everything is clear to me yet.
    Please let me summarize the "bassam king
    karzeddin"-proof in my words:

    Let v = -m , you get:
    x^ n + y^n - v*(p^(2^k)) = 0
    x^ n + y^n = v*(p^(2^k))

    m and p are prime to each other.
    v and p are prime to each other also/p is not a
    prime-factor of v.

    When looking at the exponents of the prime-factors
    of
    (x^n+y^n), you will for n >3 in any case find for at
    least one
    prime-factor (which is called p in the "bassam king
    karzeddin"-
    equation), that it's exponent is a non-negative
    integer-power of 2
    (, which means that the whole expression cannot be
    an
    odd positive integer-power > 1 of another
    integer-number).

    Did I get this right?

    Yes, that's the argument. The unproved part is the
    equation:

    x^ n + y^n + m*(p^(2^k)) = 0

    There's no proof that for any distinct coprime
    integers x,y, you can
    always find m,p,k satisfying the equation together
    with the
    requirements that p is prime, k is a nonnegative
    integer, and m is an
    integer relatively prime to p.

    If not: Please forgive my ignorance and tell me
    about the error in
    my understanding.
    If so: Please forgive my ignorance --I'm not a
    mathematician at all-- but
    how to prove this?

    Good question. As far as I can see, no proof or even
    partial proof of
    the conjectured equation has been provided by
    Karzeddin. His only
    claim is that "no counterexample exists", which is
    obviously not a
    proof.

    (Maybe there is an example where all prime-factor-
    exponents are not non-negative integer-powers of 2
    although the
    expression does not have the form x^n+y^n=z^n. I
    didn't find one
    yet and I hope that no one else will,

    Right -- maybe there is a counterexample. but so far,
    the conjecture
    has survived brute force attack.

    but perhaps a formal proof might be a remedy for all
    scepticalness.)

    A formal proof would be spectacular, since FLT would
    then be just a
    simple corollary.

    I don't have any feeling for why the conjecture
    should be true, hence,
    a counterexample wouldn't surprise me. In fact, I'm
    surprised that the
    conjecture didn't fall immediately to a simple brute
    force test with
    relatively small values of x,y,n.

    quasi

    And, there will be no counter example for sure

    Regards
    Bassam King Karzeddin
    6th, April, 2017

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