On Friday, November 21, 1997 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, chris wrote:
I've read this newsgroup on and off for many years now. I must say that
it certainly has gone downhill. Where are the real scientific issues?
Where are the novel ideas and thought provoking discussions?
Is this newsgroup really even about life extension anymore (real life extension - not life extension in a bottle from GNC)? My apologies to
the few of you who post useful and informative things - you know who you
are.
It seems like this newsgroup has become a bunch of sheep jumping on the new-supplement-of-the-day bandwagon. NEWSFLASH: Chances are Kombucha
tea isn't going to do much for you. Neither is Ginseng, Ma Huang, or
any other thing that sounds like a code word for parts of the male
anatomy.
Be a little scientific and have a little skepticism people. Don't you
think if any of these things really worked there would be
incontrovertible statistics on it? Some of these herbs have been in use
for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Do you see any 300 year old Chinese people
running around?
Instead of worrying about supplements that have tenuous (and that's a
very generous word) claims of life extension (and could even end up
hurting you), you would be better off writing a letter to your
congressman to request more funding for the NIH, or volunteering to particiapte in a research study, or picking up a book (for those
interested in theories of aging I would recommend Michael Rose's
Evolutionary Biology of Aging). The way real progress is going to be
made on these issues is through research - real research - not research sponsored by people trying to sell you supplements.
Komucha and other fermented foods increase the variety of different gut bacteria whereas ordinary plant fiber is limited in this respect. So you don't think gut bacteria is irrelevant to health span? And all of the research concerning various supplements
is NOT just from people who sell it. Far from it, And it's the combination of various elements that work in tandem with each other that make a difference, Each element: extended fasts, a nutrient dense diet low in AGEs, supplements that interfere with
AGE formation and accumulation, exercise, deep sleep, low glucose, autophagy, supplements to boost mitochondria like PQQ and CoQ10, Rapamycin/Metformin/Jardiance, for instance with lithium orate, 20 minute sauna at 180 or more followed by an icy shower,
creates an even more robust health outcome. Sould we skip sauna because that one single intervention is not the complete answer? It creates heat shock proteins, clears protein aggragates out of the brain, induces chaperone mediated autophagy, and you
release a lot of toxins.
I quit this group a while back because something weird happened and there was spam and people leaving. But I think maybe we can revive it.
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