• Allen Mawer born (8-5-1879)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 9 22:28:40 2024
    Who?
    A big name in toponymy/toponymics/toponomastics, at least in the UK.
    Founded English Place-Name Society (1923), which promoted a
    county-by-county survey of place names of England.
    The "new" toponymics seems to involve applying to place names the same
    criteria we apply to etymologies in general, rather than just retailing
    local folklore.

    "...it is impossible to place any satisfactory interpretation upon the
    history of a name until we have traced it as far back as the records
    will allow....in many cases, unless the records go a good way back, speculations upon its meaning are worse than useless." (Mawer, quoted by Crystal)

    I recently responded to a query from someone in the USA, in a state a
    long way from the Pacific, about a local place name said to be of
    Polynesian origin (and said to have a certain meaning). The origins of
    the name turn out to go back less than 50 years -- if they are not
    completely made up (by persons still living) they go back to garbled recollections of something someone remembered the locals saying on a
    Hawaiian vacation. Of such are place name etymologies in utero, I would say.

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  • From Antonio Marques@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri May 10 12:11:47 2024
    Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
    Who?
    A big name in toponymy/toponymics/toponomastics, at least in the UK.
    Founded English Place-Name Society (1923), which promoted a
    county-by-county survey of place names of England.
    The "new" toponymics seems to involve applying to place names the same criteria we apply to etymologies in general, rather than just retailing
    local folklore.

    "...it is impossible to place any satisfactory interpretation upon the history of a name until we have traced it as far back as the records
    will allow....in many cases, unless the records go a good way back, speculations upon its meaning are worse than useless." (Mawer, quoted by Crystal)

    Could that be the guy who found out that a certain Woodhill was in fact Wolfdale?



    I recently responded to a query from someone in the USA, in a state a
    long way from the Pacific, about a local place name said to be of
    Polynesian origin (and said to have a certain meaning). The origins of
    the name turn out to go back less than 50 years -- if they are not
    completely made up (by persons still living) they go back to garbled recollections of something someone remembered the locals saying on a
    Hawaiian vacation. Of such are place name etymologies in utero, I would say.


    How quaint.

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