• Leonard Bloomfield died (18-4-1949)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 20 12:20:09 2024
    His birthday (1-4-1887) was noted during my 2018 Linguistic Birthdays sequence. He was still very influential in linguistics when I began to
    learn about it in the 1960s, particularly for his book _Language_ (1933).

    Crystal has a quote from Chapter 2 of that book:

    "The most difficult step in the study of language is the first step.
    Again and again, scholarship has approached the study of language
    without actually entering upon it. Linguistic science arose from
    relatively practical preoccupations, such as the use of writing, the
    study of literature and especially of older records, and the
    prescription of elegant speech, but people can spend any amount of time
    on these things without actually entering into linguistic study."

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 20 08:46:38 2024
    Ar an fichiú lá de mí Aibreán, scríobh Ross Clark:

    His birthday (1-4-1887) was noted during my 2018 Linguistic Birthdays sequence. He was still very influential in linguistics when I began to learn about it in the 1960s, particularly for his book _Language_ (1933).

    Crystal has a quote from Chapter 2 of that book:

    "The most difficult step in the study of language is the first step. Again and again, scholarship has approached the study of language without actually entering upon it. Linguistic science arose from relatively practical preoccupations, such as the use of writing, the study of literature and especially of older records, and the prescription of elegant speech, but people can spend any amount of time on these things without actually entering into linguistic study."

    A very small-tent approach, odd to take it as someone academically senior, who might be thought to have reason to increase his area of interest. Rules out PTD’s ‘The World’s Writing Systems’ for one.

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Sat Apr 20 23:18:18 2024
    On 20/04/2024 7:46 p.m., Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an fichiú lá de mí Aibreán, scríobh Ross Clark:

    > His birthday (1-4-1887) was noted during my 2018 Linguistic Birthdays
    > sequence. He was still very influential in linguistics when I began to learn
    > about it in the 1960s, particularly for his book _Language_ (1933).
    >
    > Crystal has a quote from Chapter 2 of that book:
    >
    > "The most difficult step in the study of language is the first step. Again
    > and again, scholarship has approached the study of language without actually
    > entering upon it. Linguistic science arose from relatively practical
    > preoccupations, such as the use of writing, the study of literature and
    > especially of older records, and the prescription of elegant speech, but
    > people can spend any amount of time on these things without actually
    > entering into linguistic study."

    A very small-tent approach, odd to take it as someone academically senior, who
    might be thought to have reason to increase his area of interest. Rules out PTD’s ‘The World’s Writing Systems’ for one.

    But PTD did not spend his whole life studying writing! He did enter into linguistic study (even read Bloomfield, and was taught by one of his
    students). This study undoubtedly informed his treatment of writing
    systems.

    Plus, I don't think Bloomfield is saying these other areas of study are worthless -- just that they should be distinguished from linguistic science.

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 20 13:38:30 2024
    Ar an fichiú lá de mí Aibreán, scríobh Ross Clark:

    [...] A very small-tent approach, odd to take it as someone academically senior, who might be thought to have reason to increase his area of interest. Rules out PTD’s ‘The World’s Writing Systems’ for one.

    But PTD did not spend his whole life studying writing!

    Indeed he did not.

    He did enter into linguistic study (even read Bloomfield, and was taught by one of his students). This study undoubtedly informed his treatment of writing systems.

    Plus, I don't think Bloomfield is saying these other areas of study are worthless -- just that they should be distinguished from linguistic science.

    I think a natural approach is to say that they are part of linguistic science.

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Sat Apr 20 15:07:48 2024
    On 2024-04-20, Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> wrote:

    "The most difficult step in the study of language is the first step. Again and again, scholarship has approached the study of language without actually
    entering upon it. Linguistic science arose from relatively practical preoccupations, such as the use of writing, the study of literature and especially of older records, and the prescription of elegant speech, but people can spend any amount of time on these things without actually entering into linguistic study."

    A very small-tent approach, odd to take it as someone academically senior, who
    might be thought to have reason to increase his area of interest. Rules out PTD’s ‘The World’s Writing Systems’ for one.

    It's not clear to me that the systematic study of writing systems
    is covered by the preoccupations listed above. I think it translates
    to "people's musings about language before 1800 or so", with a few
    notable exceptions (Pāṇini, First Grammarian).

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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