Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

Truth is not a matter of definition.

"Truth" is a word created by humans, so it must have some
definition (which might be implicit in the way it's used).
People may not agree upon what exactly is the correct definition,
but such a disagreement only shows that it's a matter of definition.

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Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

On 2024-03-18 10:59:44 +0000, Stefan Ram said:

Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

Truth is not a matter of definition.

Truth" is a word created by humans, so it must have some
definition (which might be implicit in the way it's used).
People may not agree upon what exactly is the correct definition,
but such a disagreement only shows that it's a matter of definition. >Definitions only tell which words we can use for the concept.

They do not tell what is true.

To "tell what is true" is to give a definition of the meaning
of the word "true".

To "tell what is truth" is to give a definition of the meaning
of the word "truth".

Just look at the subject: It says, "Analytical truth redefined".
This clarifies that the thread is about definitions (including
redefinitions) of truth (more specifically, of "analytical truth").

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On 2024-03-18 10:59:44 +0000, Stefan Ram said:

Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

Truth is not a matter of definition.

"Truth" is a word created by humans, so it must have some
definition (which might be implicit in the way it's used).
People may not agree upon what exactly is the correct definition,
but such a disagreement only shows that it's a matter of definition.

Definitions only tell which words we can use for the concept.
They do not tell what is true.

--
Mikko

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On 2024-03-18 14:42:50 +0000, Stefan Ram said:

Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

On 2024-03-18 10:59:44 +0000, Stefan Ram said:

Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

Truth is not a matter of definition.

Truth" is a word created by humans, so it must have some
definition (which might be implicit in the way it's used).
People may not agree upon what exactly is the correct definition,
but such a disagreement only shows that it's a matter of definition.

Definitions only tell which words we can use for the concept.
They do not tell what is true.

To "tell what is true" is to give a definition of the meaning
of the word "true".

To "tell what is truth" is to give a definition of the meaning
of the word "truth".

Just look at the subject: It says, "Analytical truth redefined".
This clarifies that the thread is about definitions (including
redefinitions) of truth (more specifically, of "analytical truth").

When I say "Sun is now shining here", I am telling what is true
but I am not saying anything about the meaning of "true".

--
Mikko

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Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote or quoted:

When I say "Sun is now shining here", I am telling what is true
but I am not saying anything about the meaning of "true".

Ah! Ok, that's also a possible interpretation of
"to tell what is true", i.e., "to tell something
true".

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