• Re: Newsgroup dead

    From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 17:03:14 2023
    Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:01:33 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
    scribeva:
    Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
    scribeva:
    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.

    Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.

    I see Google Groups still does NOT have this under control.
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 17:00:45 2023
    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 17:01:33 2023
    Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
    scribeva:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.

    Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ruud Harmsen on Sun Nov 12 16:25:10 2023
    On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here?

    Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
    flood will subside eventually...

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to Ruud Harmsen on Mon Nov 13 08:35:29 2023
    On 13/11/2023 5:01 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
    Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
    scribeva:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.

    Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.


    Yes indeed.
    Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
    I fear PTD has given up, and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
    Now all we need is something to talk about.

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to naddy@mips.inka.de on Sun Nov 12 20:24:25 2023
    In article <slrnul1v36.dfa.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here?

    Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
    flood will subside eventually...

    Just kill all the posts coming from googlegroups.com.

    In trn it's /google-groups.googlegroups.com/HInjection-Info:j
    Add it to the killfile for the specific newsgroup and it will clean up the
    new arrivals.

    Pierre

    --
    Pierre Jelenc
    The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
    The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

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  • From Tilde@21:1/5 to Ruud Harmsen on Sun Nov 12 21:21:34 2023
    Ruud Harmsen wrote:
    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.


    Using E-S. The spam flood on this server is not that
    bad if you compare with what Mixmin is seeing - over
    a thousand at a time it seems ;)

    Yes, mixmin no longer allows posting but I find it
    semi useful for noting missing posts.

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 13 09:43:04 2023
    Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:35:29 +1300: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
    scribeva:

    On 13/11/2023 5:01 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
    Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
    scribeva:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.

    Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.


    Yes indeed.
    Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
    I fear PTD has given up, and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
    Now all we need is something to talk about.

    What about language?
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Mon Nov 13 09:37:56 2023
    On 2023-11-12, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

    Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.

    Hey, I'm here, too!

    I fear PTD has given up,

    He posts from Google Groups, so he'll be hit by spam filters.

    and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.

    I won't miss his glossolaliac musings.

    Now all we need is something to talk about.

    This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go:
    Yesterday I found myself writing

    "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"

    and then I started wondering about the tag question:
    - "can I?"
    - "am I?"
    - "right?" [avoid the verb]

    Because the rule from EFL class--always repeat the auxiliary or use
    a form of "do" if there is none--is definitely not the whole truth.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Daud Deden@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Mon Nov 13 03:33:47 2023
    On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 5:30:10 AM UTC-5, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2023-11-12, Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

    Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
    Hey, I'm here, too!
    I fear PTD has given up,
    He posts from Google Groups, so he'll be hit by spam filters.
    and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
    I won't miss his glossolaliac musings.
    Now all we need is something to talk about.
    This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go: Yesterday I found myself writing

    "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"

    and then I started wondering about the tag question:
    - "can I?"
    - "am I?"
    - "right?" [avoid the verb]

    My fave, typical of Malaysian English (Manglish)
    - "izzit"? Such a versatile word, same effect as "innit".


    Because the rule from EFL class--always repeat the auxiliary or use
    a form of "do" if there is none--is definitely not the whole truth.
    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 13 13:27:04 2023
    Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:37:56 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:
    This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go: >Yesterday I found myself writing

    "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"

    and then I started wondering about the tag question:
    - "can I?"
    - "am I?"
    - "right?" [avoid the verb]

    My non-native language sense says "can I?" is all right.
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Antonio Marques@21:1/5 to Pierre Jelenc on Mon Nov 13 13:27:46 2023
    Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <slrnul1v36.dfa.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here?

    Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
    flood will subside eventually...

    Just kill all the posts coming from googlegroups.com.

    But again, is the spam coming from there? Being relayed? What, exactly?
    My understanding was it comes from other places.


    In trn it's /google-groups.googlegroups.com/HInjection-Info:j
    Add it to the killfile for the specific newsgroup and it will clean up the new arrivals.

    Pierre


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  • From Antonio Marques@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Mon Nov 13 13:27:45 2023
    Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
    On 13/11/2023 5:01 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
    Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
    scribeva:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
    spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
    silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
    here in the last year anyway.

    Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.


    Yes indeed.
    Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
    I fear PTD has given up, and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
    Now all we need is something to talk about.

    If the spam doesn’t subside, then it’s over. I’m not optimistic on that. For the last few days I’ve been waiting to the ES folks to weed it out. It’s otherwise impossible to find the legitimate content.

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to no_email@invalid.invalid on Mon Nov 13 21:26:12 2023
    In article <uit88i$lojk$2@dont-email.me>,
    Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <slrnul1v36.dfa.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

    Wonder if anything still comes through here?

    Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
    flood will subside eventually...

    Just kill all the posts coming from googlegroups.com.

    But again, is the spam coming from there? Being relayed? What, exactly?
    My understanding was it comes from other places.

    It's injected at Google, and Google automatically adds the header

    Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com

    before sending it further. As far as I can tell, if the post arrives from somewhere else, they do not add this header since the post did not
    originate at Google but was received from a peer Usenet server.

    Pierre
    --
    Pierre Jelenc
    The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
    The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 10:48:50 2023
    Ar an triú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:

    Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:37:56 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:
    This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go: >Yesterday I found myself writing

    "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"

    and then I started wondering about the tag question:
    - "can I?"
    - "am I?"
    - "right?" [avoid the verb]

    My non-native language sense says "can I?" is all right.

    My native language sense agrees. A tag “am I?” would get an asterisk, but “right?” would be fine.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Ruud Harmsen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 12:10:50 2023
    fTue, 14 Nov 2023 10:48:50 +0000: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
    scribeva:

    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

    Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/
    --
    Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 12:36:41 2023
    Ar an ceathrú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:

    fTue, 14 Nov 2023 10:48:50 +0000: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> scribeva:

    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’ >(C. Moore)

    Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/

    I am currently working as a GP on the west coast of Ireland (a change since I was last posting here about fifteen years ago, working in IT in Germany) and many of my patients have an alternation between /hw/ and [f] (in English), reminiscent of that change. I don’t assert that this is preserved from protogermanic!

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Daud Deden@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Tue Nov 14 08:08:24 2023
    On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
    Ar an ceathrú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:
    fTue, 14 Nov 2023 10:48:50 +0000: Aidan Kehoe <keh...@parhasard.net> scribeva:

    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out / >How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’ >(C. Moore)

    Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/
    I am currently working as a GP on the west coast of Ireland (a change since I
    was last posting here about fifteen years ago, working in IT in Germany) and many of my patients have an alternation between /hw/ and [f] (in English), reminiscent of that change. I don’t assert that this is preserved from protogermanic!

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

    I don't know why it wouldn't be.
    Coracle (Wel)/curragh (Ire) ~ cwrg.wl ~ kufarigolu ~ kudhru (Tibet)/parical (Karnataka)

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ruud Harmsen on Tue Nov 14 21:47:37 2023
    On 2023-11-14, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

    Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/

    Germanic has alliterated "four" to "five", but Latin and thus the
    Romance languages have alliterated "quinque" (five) to "quattuor"
    (four)! Or maybe it is a rare but regular soundchange in Latin,
    opinions differ. Anyway, the roots for 4 and 5 have different
    onsets in PIE, compare for instance Greek or Slavic. But wait,
    Slavic has alliterated the d- from the "ten" word to the "nine"
    word...

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From wugi@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 12:02:43 2023
    Op 14/11/2023 om 18:47 schreef Christian Weisgerber:
    On 2023-11-14, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

    Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/

    Germanic has alliterated "four" to "five", but Latin and thus the
    Romance languages have alliterated "quinque" (five) to "quattuor"
    (four)! Or maybe it is a rare but regular soundchange in Latin,
    opinions differ. Anyway, the roots for 4 and 5 have different
    onsets in PIE, compare for instance Greek or Slavic. But wait,
    Slavic has alliterated the d- from the "ten" word to the "nine"
    word...

    Perhaps a frequent activity like counting could have triggered rhyme and alliteration, at all places and times?

    --
    guido wugi

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