• Simple question - microscopy of neurons

    From Trolidous@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 24 05:57:12 2023
    I have a simple and basic question about microscopy
    and its investigation of the structure of nervous
    tissue.

    Has anyone ever:

    Taught a simple and small jellyfish or worms with
    only a very small number of neurons in its nervous
    system to:

    Do a very simple reaction to some stimulus and response.

    Make the simple worm or jellyfish learn to react differently
    from a worm or jellyfish that has not been taught to react
    in a specific way to some stimulus.

    Then done microscopy on the nervous system of that worm
    or jellyfish with the capability of successfully telling
    whether.

    1 The worm or jellyfish did learn to react differently
    to that stimulus.

    or

    2. The worm or jellyfish was one that did not learn
    to react differently to that stimulus.

    When was an experiment like this successfully performed?

    1. Over a hundred years ago.

    2. Several decades ago.

    3. A few years ago.

    4. This has never been done.

    Could anyone provide references to these experiments?

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  • From Trolidan@21:1/5 to Trolidous on Wed May 24 11:05:20 2023
    On 5/24/2023 5:57 AM, Trolidous wrote:
    I have a simple and basic question about microscopy
    and its investigation of the structure of nervous
    tissue.

    Has anyone ever:

    Taught a simple and small jellyfish or worms with
    only a very small number of neurons in its nervous
    system to:

    Do a very simple reaction to some stimulus and response.

    Make the simple worm or jellyfish learn to react differently
    from a worm or jellyfish that has not been taught to react
    in a specific way to some stimulus.

    Then done microscopy on the nervous system of that worm
    or jellyfish with the capability of successfully telling
    whether.

    1 The worm or jellyfish did learn to react differently
    to that stimulus.

    or

    2. The worm or jellyfish was one that did not learn
    to react differently to that stimulus.

    When was an experiment like this successfully performed?

    1. Over a hundred years ago.

    2. Several decades ago.

    3. A few years ago.

    4. This has never been done.

    Could anyone provide references to these experiments?

    Also this is not a question about fossils. Fossils are
    rarely preserved so well that you can see the microscopic
    structure of neurons within them.

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to Trolidan on Tue Jun 13 10:51:02 2023
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to check s.b.p. at least once a week, now that it seems to be in danger of becoming the domain of
    the spammer Mark Verhaegan.

    On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:05:53 PM UTC-4, Trolidan wrote:
    On 5/24/2023 5:57 AM, Trolidous wrote:
    I have a simple and basic question about microscopy
    and its investigation of the structure of nervous
    tissue.

    Has anyone ever:

    Taught a simple and small jellyfish or worms with
    only a very small number of neurons in its nervous
    system to:

    Do a very simple reaction to some stimulus and response.

    Make the simple worm or jellyfish learn to react differently
    from a worm or jellyfish that has not been taught to react
    in a specific way to some stimulus.

    Then done microscopy on the nervous system of that worm
    or jellyfish with the capability of successfully telling
    whether.

    1 The worm or jellyfish did learn to react differently
    to that stimulus.

    or

    2. The worm or jellyfish was one that did not learn
    to react differently to that stimulus.

    When was an experiment like this successfully performed?

    1. Over a hundred years ago.

    2. Several decades ago.

    3. A few years ago.

    4. This has never been done.

    Could anyone provide references to these experiments?
    Also this is not a question about fossils. Fossils are
    rarely preserved so well that you can see the microscopic
    structure of neurons within them.

    Not a problem: the lack of a suitable Usenet group makes
    this one the default "newsgroup ______________ in exile"
    where such questions are concerned.
    [Among the saddest things to go into the blank are
    sci.bio.evolution [extinct] and sci.bio.systematics
    [completely the domain of spammers except for once-in-a-blue
    moon posts by myself asking whether it is possible to revive it.]

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific
    talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

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  • From trolidous@21:1/5 to Peter Nyikos on Wed Jul 5 12:08:32 2023
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific
    talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    That is a moderated usenet group.

    I get the idea that someone started talking about leper colonies
    early on during COVID.

    I might or might not have been banned from there. I could try and
    see.

    Whatever happened to the human connectome project? Is it still
    going on?

    One search word I came across earlier is 'brainbow'. It may not mean
    anything.

    If you used the words 'mind uploading' too much they would probably
    consider you to be a kook. But if you asked around using the pitch idea
    'we do not just use slide rules anymore' it is difficult to say what you
    might find or end up doing.

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  • From trolidous@21:1/5 to Peter Nyikos on Wed Jul 5 12:19:42 2023
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific
    talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    That is a moderated usenet group.

    I get the idea that someone started talking about leper colonies
    early on during COVID.

    I might or might not have been banned from there. I could try and
    see.

    Whatever happened to the human connectome project? Is it still
    going on?

    One search word I came across earlier is 'brainbow'. It may not mean
    anything.

    If you used the words 'mind uploading' too much they would probably
    consider you to be a kook. But if you asked around using the pitch idea
    'we do not just use slide rules anymore' it is difficult to say what you
    might find or end up doing.

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  • From erik simpson@21:1/5 to trolidous on Wed Jul 5 13:33:31 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 12:08:34 PM UTC-7, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    That is a moderated usenet group.

    I get the idea that someone started talking about leper colonies
    early on during COVID.

    I might or might not have been banned from there. I could try and
    see.

    Whatever happened to the human connectome project? Is it still
    going on?

    One search word I came across earlier is 'brainbow'. It may not mean anything.

    If you used the words 'mind uploading' too much they would probably
    consider you to be a kook. But if you asked around using the pitch idea
    'we do not just use slide rules anymore' it is difficult to say what you might find or end up doing.

    Very few people have been banned from talk.origins, and only for very egregious and persistent efforts. Fire away.

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to trolidous on Wed Jul 5 14:25:14 2023
    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics   -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell
    you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of
    two or three people who were ever banned

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to John Harshman on Thu Jul 6 08:14:30 2023
    On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:25:14 -0700
    John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics   -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell
    you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of
    two or three people who were ever banned

    I've tried posting a few comments in TO, but I've never seen them
    appear; I guess new posters are automatically banned?!
    (whereas several of the locals seem to post an awful lot about how the
    other posters aren't behaving!)

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From John Harshman@21:1/5 to John on Thu Jul 6 06:51:15 2023
    On 7/6/23 12:14 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:25:14 -0700
    John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    > Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    > ...
    >
    >> Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    >> amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    >> One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    >> a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    >> 'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    >> for years.
    >
    > Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific >>> > talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that
    > could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    > posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.
    >
    >
    > Peter Nyikos
    > Professor, Dept. of Mathematics   -- standard disclaimer--
    > University of South Carolina
    > http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell
    you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of
    two or three people who were ever banned

    I've tried posting a few comments in TO, but I've never seen them
    appear; I guess new posters are automatically banned?!
    (whereas several of the locals seem to post an awful lot about how the
    other posters aren't behaving!)

    That would seem to be a problem with your posting method, whatever it
    is, not with TO. Unless your posts are crossposted to several groups;
    such posts are automatically rejected.

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to John on Mon Jul 24 18:09:13 2023
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 3:14:27 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:25:14 -0700
    John Harshman <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell
    you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of
    two or three people who were ever banned

    I've tried posting a few comments in TO, but I've never seen them
    appear; I guess new posters are automatically banned?!
    (whereas several of the locals seem to post an awful lot about how the
    other posters aren't behaving!)

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

    I see you've overcome whatever problem you had: I had the pleasure
    of replying to two of your posts in talk.origins today, on the very theme you mention!
    Hope to see more from you over there, especially on scientific matters.


    Peter Nyikos

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to John on Mon Jul 24 17:59:31 2023
    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 3:14:27 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:25:14 -0700
    John Harshman <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell
    you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of
    two or three people who were ever banned

    I've tried posting a few comments in TO, but I've never seen them
    appear; I guess new posters are automatically banned?!
    (whereas several of the locals seem to post an awful lot about how the
    other posters aren't behaving!)

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Peter Nyikos on Wed Jul 26 06:45:54 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
    Peter Nyikos <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 3:14:27 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:25:14 -0700
    John Harshman <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell
    you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of two or three people who were ever banned

    I've tried posting a few comments in TO, but I've never seen them
    appear; I guess new posters are automatically banned?!
    (whereas several of the locals seem to post an awful lot about how the other posters aren't behaving!)

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

    I see you've overcome whatever problem you had: I had the pleasure
    of replying to two of your posts in talk.origins today, on the very theme you mention!
    Hope to see more from you over there, especially on scientific matters.


    Peter Nyikos

    Thanks; I shall try to refrain from getting bogged down in interpersonal conflicts.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to John on Wed Jul 26 06:27:14 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 1:46:08 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
    Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 3:14:27 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:25:14 -0700
    John Harshman <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 7/5/23 12:08 PM, trolidous wrote:
    On 6/13/23 10:51, Peter Nyikos wrote:
    Sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I really need to
    check s.b.p.
    ...

    Is there any other usenet group that has at least a reasonable
    amount of traffic in it that I could ask the question there?
    One with a newsgroup title that would indicate that it was
    a more appropriate topic for that group? There are a lot of
    'dead usenet groups' that have only gotten intermittent spam
    for years.

    Have you tried talk.origins? There is still a good bit of scientific
    talent in there, and your question is one of the better ones that could be asked there. That's because there is a great tolerance for
    posts and even threads that are technically off-topic.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer-- University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    I am not sure if I have been banned from talk.origins or not.

    Did you do anything that would get you banned? Did the moderator tell you that you were banned? It seems unlikely, since I can only think of two or three people who were ever banned

    I've tried posting a few comments in TO, but I've never seen them appear; I guess new posters are automatically banned?!
    (whereas several of the locals seem to post an awful lot about how the other posters aren't behaving!)

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

    I see you've overcome whatever problem you had: I had the pleasure
    of replying to two of your posts in talk.origins today, on the very theme you mention!
    Hope to see more from you over there, especially on scientific matters.


    Peter Nyikos
    Thanks; I shall try to refrain from getting bogged down in interpersonal conflicts.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

    A very wise decision. Sooner or later, interpersonal conflicts will come to you anyway if you show any sympathy for Intelligent Design (ID). On the other hand, if
    you are honest and sincere, I will never make disparaging personal
    comments about you, even if you honestly and sincerely make them about me.


    Have you ever read Joseph Addison's 1711 essay, "Party Feeling"?
    The dynamics of talk.origins are a microcosm of what he writes
    so effectively about there.

    Alas, this essay is so neglected, I could not find a copy
    of it on the internet. Yet it also captures the spirit
    of the political situation in the world at large,
    including the highly polarized politics in the USA,
    both in government and our society at large, at their most extreme.


    Peter Nyikos

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