• India's rover let-down by solar panels and batteries? No signal

    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 17:10:40 2023
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Sep 22 22:28:39 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924

    I'm sure they have some back up system?

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 12:20:24 2023
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924

    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Tue Sep 26 06:00:47 2023
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 1:28:41 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    I'm sure they have some back up system?

    The mission was only planned to operate for the first lunar day.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 05:54:07 2023
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 07:28:25 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.

    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 08:45:11 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough. >> The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.

    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    In any case, they had no option. Rich's hard-on for RTGs was not an
    option, since launching them requires following a lot of international
    treaty laws (fortunately!) which would have dramatically increased the
    cost of the mission. And as the mission plan only required one
    daylight operation cycle, the mission goals were achieved.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 07:15:29 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough. The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From W@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Sep 26 08:16:32 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:10:43 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924

    It's time for you to respond to peterson, the village idiot.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 08:15:30 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:45:19 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    As ALWAYS you have no idea what you are talking about!

    The Indian lander is no longer working. It used batteries and solar.

    The Chinese equipment DID have radioisotope energy and survived the lunar night because of that.

    You inability to use logic is quite evident. Your inability to understand facts is even more evident.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 10:51:11 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:45:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    As ALWAYS you have no idea what you are talking about!

    The Indian lander is no longer working. It used batteries and solar.

    The Chinese equipment DID have radioisotope energy and survived the lunar night because of that.

    You inability to use logic is quite evident. Your inability to understand facts is even more evident.

    It wasn't intended to survive the night. By design.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 09:42:47 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    In any case, they had no option. Rich's hard-on for RTGs was not an
    option, since launching them requires following a lot of international treaty laws (fortunately!) which would have dramatically increased the
    cost of the mission. And as the mission plan only required one
    daylight operation cycle, the mission goals were achieved.

    Apparently, this mission was not designed to survive the lunar night...

    https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/isros-chandrayaan-3-confronts-cold-lunar-odds-heres-why

    ... and they "chose not to equip these robotic pioneers with the commonly used radioisotope heater units (RHUs)."

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 10:52:12 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:16:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:10:43?PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924

    It's time for you to respond to peterson, the village idiot.

    Glad to see you are now properly signing your comments.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 11:25:25 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:52:20 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:16:32 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:10:43?PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924

    It's time for you to respond to peterson, the village idiot.
    Glad to see you are now properly signing your comments.

    You quite obviously do not know how to read. It's your TITLE: "peterson, AKA the village idiot."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 11:26:40 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:51:18 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:45:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same >> >> >> batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan >> >> that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    As ALWAYS you have no idea what you are talking about!

    The Indian lander is no longer working. It used batteries and solar.

    The Chinese equipment DID have radioisotope energy and survived the lunar night because of that.

    You inability to use logic is quite evident. Your inability to understand facts is even more evident.
    It wasn't intended to survive the night. By design.

    You just used circular reasoning. That is to be expected from you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From W@21:1/5 to palsing on Tue Sep 26 11:33:59 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:42:50 PM UTC-4, palsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same >> >> batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    In any case, they had no option. Rich's hard-on for RTGs was not an option, since launching them requires following a lot of international treaty laws (fortunately!) which would have dramatically increased the cost of the mission. And as the mission plan only required one
    daylight operation cycle, the mission goals were achieved.
    Apparently, this mission was not designed to survive the lunar night...

    https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/isros-chandrayaan-3-confronts-cold-lunar-odds-heres-why

    ... and they "chose not to equip these robotic pioneers with the commonly used radioisotope heater units (RHUs)."

    The mission planners did not "choose not to use" radioistopes, they could not AFFORD to.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 14:14:18 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:34:01 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:42:50 PM UTC-4, palsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They >> simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan >> that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    In any case, they had no option. Rich's hard-on for RTGs was not an option, since launching them requires following a lot of international treaty laws (fortunately!) which would have dramatically increased the cost of the mission. And as the mission plan only required one
    daylight operation cycle, the mission goals were achieved.
    Apparently, this mission was not designed to survive the lunar night...

    https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/isros-chandrayaan-3-confronts-cold-lunar-odds-heres-why

    ... and they "chose not to equip these robotic pioneers with the commonly used radioisotope heater units (RHUs)."

    The mission planners did not "choose not to use" radioistopes, they could not AFFORD to.

    You are clearly making this up. From the article I referenced...

    "... ISRO has remained silent on why Chandrayaan-3 lacks these heating elements"

    You might be correct but then again, you might be incorrect.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 16:09:42 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:26:40 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:51:18?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:45:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same >> >> >> >> batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They
    simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an
    environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan >> >> >> that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    As ALWAYS you have no idea what you are talking about!

    The Indian lander is no longer working. It used batteries and solar.

    The Chinese equipment DID have radioisotope energy and survived the lunar night because of that.

    You inability to use logic is quite evident. Your inability to understand facts is even more evident.
    It wasn't intended to survive the night. By design.

    You just used circular reasoning. That is to be expected from you.

    You don't know what circular reasoning is, either.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Sep 26 15:40:47 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:09:51 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:26:40 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:51:18?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:45:19?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They >> >> >> simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an >> >> >> environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages
    very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that
    would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    As ALWAYS you have no idea what you are talking about!

    The Indian lander is no longer working. It used batteries and solar.

    The Chinese equipment DID have radioisotope energy and survived the lunar night because of that.

    You inability to use logic is quite evident. Your inability to understand facts is even more evident.
    It wasn't intended to survive the night. By design.

    You just used circular reasoning. That is to be expected from you.
    You don't know what circular reasoning is, either.

    I recognize that you are using circular reasoning. You are unaware of what you are doing.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to palsing on Tue Sep 26 15:48:37 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:14:21 PM UTC-4, palsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:34:01 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:42:50 PM UTC-4, palsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:28:32?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com> >> wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:20:31?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:10:40 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    India has lots of plutonium. Canadian idiot politicians saw to that. Too bad no RTGs...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66893924
    No reason the panels should be a problem. And RTGs require the same
    batteries.

    The RTGs would keep the batteries and other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    The sort of batteries used these days are not damaged by cold. They >> simply become inefficient at delivering power when cold. So in an >> environment where they will naturally warm again, and a mission plan
    that does not require major operations in the cold, there is no
    problem.

    Nope. The temps encountered during the lunar night can wreck almost anything, including "the sort of batteries used these days."

    There will not be enough "juice" in the batteries to keep other vulnerable parts warm enough.
    As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Cold damages very little. There was almost certainly nothing in the craft that would sustain permanent damage from those temperatures.

    In any case, they had no option. Rich's hard-on for RTGs was not an option, since launching them requires following a lot of international treaty laws (fortunately!) which would have dramatically increased the cost of the mission. And as the mission plan only required one daylight operation cycle, the mission goals were achieved.
    Apparently, this mission was not designed to survive the lunar night...

    https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/isros-chandrayaan-3-confronts-cold-lunar-odds-heres-why

    ... and they "chose not to equip these robotic pioneers with the commonly used radioisotope heater units (RHUs)."

    The mission planners did not "choose not to use" radioistopes, they could not AFFORD to.
    You are clearly making this up. From the article I referenced...

    "... ISRO has remained silent on why Chandrayaan-3 lacks these heating elements"

    You might be correct but then again, you might be incorrect.

    It has been clear from the beginning that this mission was done on the cheap, even to the point of their bragging about it.

    China spent only a little more on a properly-equipped spacecraft that worked far longer as a result.

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