• Rich the "negalopolis"

    From Saunderlin@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 11:16:39 2023
    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Saunderlin on Tue May 30 14:15:58 2023
    On Tuesday, 30 May 2023 at 11:16:42 UTC-4, Saunderlin wrote:
    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    Off topic.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue May 30 21:37:37 2023
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being >the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??
    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B. with no interest in ground-based astronomy. WTF are you even here??

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to Saunderlin on Tue May 30 22:23:36 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <none@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 08:13:44 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??
    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B. with no interest in ground-based astronomy. WTF are you even here??

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    How many images do you take from the ground? I take thousands a month.
    (And I've never had one ruined by a satellite track.) Look at the
    images on my website. Every one is made from subs with airplanes or
    satellites or cosmic ray tracks. See any? That's what I thought.

    I live under some of the darkest skies on the planet. I spend lots of
    time outside seeing the sky. I've never seen a Starlink satellite
    except in twilight when they're still bunched together within a few
    days of launch. Because they are pretty much invisible any other time.
    Watch carefully and a satellite can usually be seen every five minutes
    or so if it's not too far from sunrise or sunset. But you usually have
    to look. Most people have never noticed one.

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  • From Saunderlin@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed May 31 09:24:57 2023
    On 5/30/23 5:15 PM, RichA wrote:
    On Tuesday, 30 May 2023 at 11:16:42 UTC-4, Saunderlin wrote:
    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    Off topic.

    So "Vietnam replaces some things from U.S. Chinoid trade issues" was on
    topic, huh?

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  • From Saunderlin@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 10:33:08 2023
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  • From Saunderlin@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 31 10:23:29 2023
    On 5/31/23 10:13 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being >>>> the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??
    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B. with no interest in ground-based astronomy. WTF are you even here??

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    How many images do you take from the ground? I take thousands a month.
    (And I've never had one ruined by a satellite track.) Look at the
    images on my website. Every one is made from subs with airplanes or satellites or cosmic ray tracks. See any? That's what I thought.

    I live under some of the darkest skies on the planet. I spend lots of
    time outside seeing the sky. I've never seen a Starlink satellite
    except in twilight when they're still bunched together within a few
    days of launch. Because they are pretty much invisible any other time.
    Watch carefully and a satellite can usually be seen every five minutes
    or so if it's not too far from sunrise or sunset. But you usually have
    to look. Most people have never noticed one.

    This is what I'm getting at. When it comes to the satellites,
    everything he posts is based on theory and not facts. How does he know,
    for certain, that satellites are ruining astronomy if he has never taken
    the time to go through the image processing routine himself (acquiring, stacking, and processing)?

    Sitting behind a PC spouting non-factual gibberish wastes time when he
    could be out there determining the facts on his own, but I think the
    saying applies about not teaching an old dog new tricks I'm afraid,
    because such suggestions have been offered many times and he chooses to continue complaining.

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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 31 17:29:53 2023
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B....

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain.” -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Gary Harnagel on Wed May 31 22:05:11 2023
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 20:29:55 UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B....

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.
    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain.” -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    Smart man.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Saunderlin on Wed May 31 22:04:43 2023
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 10:23:32 UTC-4, Saunderlin wrote:
    On 5/31/23 10:13 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being >>>> the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??
    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B. with no interest in ground-based astronomy. WTF are you even here??

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    How many images do you take from the ground? I take thousands a month.
    (And I've never had one ruined by a satellite track.) Look at the
    images on my website. Every one is made from subs with airplanes or satellites or cosmic ray tracks. See any? That's what I thought.

    I live under some of the darkest skies on the planet. I spend lots of
    time outside seeing the sky. I've never seen a Starlink satellite
    except in twilight when they're still bunched together within a few
    days of launch. Because they are pretty much invisible any other time. Watch carefully and a satellite can usually be seen every five minutes
    or so if it's not too far from sunrise or sunset. But you usually have
    to look. Most people have never noticed one.
    This is what I'm getting at. When it comes to the satellites,
    everything he posts is based on theory and not facts. How does he know,
    for certain, that satellites are ruining astronomy if he has never taken
    the time to go through the image processing routine himself (acquiring, stacking, and processing)?

    Sitting behind a PC spouting non-factual gibberish wastes time when he
    could be out there determining the facts on his own, but I think the
    saying applies about not teaching an old dog new tricks I'm afraid,
    because such suggestions have been offered many times and he chooses to continue complaining.

    Negalopolis would be a PLACE, if the word were real; genius.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to hitlong@yahoo.com on Thu Jun 1 07:06:13 2023
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:13:48?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote:

    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B....

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain. -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    Not exactly a paragon of moral virtue you're quoting there! Moral
    conservatives are socially progressive.

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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed Jun 7 13:22:33 2023
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 7:06:17 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:13:48?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote: >> > >
    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B....

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain.” -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    Not exactly a paragon of moral virtue you're quoting there!

    Truth comes from the strangest places :-)

    Moral conservatives are socially progressive.

    Ri-i-i-ght. Like open the border so cartels can get rich smuggling
    fentanyl and abusing women and children while they're at it?
    Elect a corrupt Manchurian candidate puppet who promotes
    spending the country into oblivion? Letting male bullies humiliate
    women athletes? Pushing indoctrination of children rather than
    educating them?

    The only valid "socially progressive" activity, IMHO, would be to
    get the homeless integrated back into society, which both parties
    have failed spectacularly at doing. Many of them should be in
    institutions, but "social progressives" are too busy advocating for
    "progress" in multi-gender nonsense and feeling sorry sorry for
    criminals:

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=ymyy-t-s&ei=UTF-8&p=a+policeman%27s+lot+gilbert+and+sullivan#id=4&vid=0626abb0dd7fadc8d9c4f4369e582fa4&action=view

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to hitlong@yahoo.com on Wed Jun 7 21:10:09 2023
    On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 7:06:17?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 8:13:48?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Tue, 30 May 2023 21:37:37 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 00:23:41 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 11:16:39 -0400, Saunderlin <no...@no.com> wrote: >> >> > >
    Almost everyone's heard of a "megalopolis" so think of the size as being
    the same as Rich's negativity... a "negalopolis"

    Does this guy ever say anything positive??

    No. He's a bitter old hateful spiteful asshole.

    Better than being a left-wing D.B....

    Left-wing = has a moral compass.

    If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain. -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    Not exactly a paragon of moral virtue you're quoting there!

    Truth comes from the strangest places :-)

    Moral conservatives are socially progressive.

    Ri-i-i-ght. Like open the border so cartels can get rich smuggling
    fentanyl and abusing women and children while they're at it?
    Elect a corrupt Manchurian candidate puppet who promotes
    spending the country into oblivion? Letting male bullies humiliate
    women athletes? Pushing indoctrination of children rather than
    educating them?

    The only valid "socially progressive" activity, IMHO, would be to
    get the homeless integrated back into society, which both parties
    have failed spectacularly at doing. Many of them should be in
    institutions, but "social progressives" are too busy advocating for >"progress" in multi-gender nonsense and feeling sorry sorry for
    criminals:

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=ymyy-t-s&ei=UTF-8&p=a+policeman%27s+lot+gilbert+and+sullivan#id=4&vid=0626abb0dd7fadc8d9c4f4369e582fa4&action=view

    There is no open border. That said, a more open border is certainly a
    highly moral position to take.

    Progressives are interested in helping the homeless, even if they
    don't know how. "Conservatives" (which are anything but) care nothing
    for these people. Most are Christians, and therefore consider them to
    be moral failures who can be abandoned.

    Nobody gets indoctrinated in schools. That is what churches do.

    You've swallowed the Koolaid and reveal yourself to be a moral monster
    in your comments here.

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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Thu Jun 8 08:43:32 2023
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:14 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 7:06:17?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain.” -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    Not exactly a paragon of moral virtue you're quoting there!

    Truth comes from the strangest places :-)

    Moral conservatives are socially progressive.

    Ri-i-i-ght. Like open the border so cartels can get rich smuggling fentanyl and abusing women and children while they're at it?
    Elect a corrupt Manchurian candidate puppet who promotes
    spending the country into oblivion? Letting male bullies humiliate
    women athletes? Pushing indoctrination of children rather than
    educating them?

    The only valid "socially progressive" activity, IMHO, would be to
    get the homeless integrated back into society, which both parties
    have failed spectacularly at doing. Many of them should be in institutions, but "social progressives" are too busy advocating for "progress" in multi-gender nonsense and feeling sorry sorry for
    criminals:

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=ymyy-t-s&ei=UTF-8&p=a+policeman%27s+lot+gilbert+and+sullivan#id=4&vid=0626abb0dd7fadc8d9c4f4369e582fa4&action=view

    There is no open border.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/crisis-border-happened/story?id=78312099

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/16/politics/biden-immigration-crisis-title-42/index.html

    That said, a more open border is certainly a highly moral position to take.

    More "open" than the crisis there now? What's moral about women and
    children being raped by criminal cartels? And what's "moral" about having a law against illegal illegal immigration, which can easily be changed by a vote of the people, and breaking it anyway? Those who do it must not believe in democracy. Is fascism moral?

    Progressives are interested in helping the homeless, even if they
    don't know how. "Conservatives" (which are anything but) care nothing
    for these people.

    This is a VERY prejudiced view. The "help" that "progressives" offer is giving them free needles and doing nothing about the fentanyl that's
    killing them off. At least "conservatives" want to close the border to
    reduce illegal crossings and drug trafficking.

    Most are Christians, and therefore consider them to be moral failures
    who can be abandoned.

    This is complete nonsense. An easy search reveals many, many sites
    that refute such a ridiculous assertion. Just a few:

    https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/our-vision-and-ministry/immigration-refugee-services/

    https://www.lirs.org/join-lirs-in-saying-no-to-president-bidens-proposed-asylum-ban/

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/how-churches-are-helping-asylum-seekers-on-both-sides-of-the-southern-border.html

    Nobody gets indoctrinated in schools.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/education-government-role-what-matters/index.html

    https://spectator.org/public-schools-gender-radical-reshaping/

    Indoctrination is obviously happening in schools. Denial of reality
    is a common "progressive" failing.

    That is what churches do.

    Contrary to what the schools are doing, parents decide IF (or how) they
    want their children "indoctrinated."

    You've swallowed the Koolaid and reveal yourself to be a moral monster
    in your comments here.

    :-)) Pot, kettle, black. You seem unable to see the "handwriting on the wall."
    Study a little history.

    “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
    -- George Washington

    "Three of the most civilizing tools known to humanity: the Bible,
    a repeating rifle and two parents." -- Barry Weir

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to hitlong@yahoo.com on Thu Jun 8 16:01:32 2023
    On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 08:43:32 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:14?PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 7:06:17?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain. -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    Not exactly a paragon of moral virtue you're quoting there!

    Truth comes from the strangest places :-)

    Moral conservatives are socially progressive.

    Ri-i-i-ght. Like open the border so cartels can get rich smuggling
    fentanyl and abusing women and children while they're at it?
    Elect a corrupt Manchurian candidate puppet who promotes
    spending the country into oblivion? Letting male bullies humiliate
    women athletes? Pushing indoctrination of children rather than
    educating them?

    The only valid "socially progressive" activity, IMHO, would be to
    get the homeless integrated back into society, which both parties
    have failed spectacularly at doing. Many of them should be in
    institutions, but "social progressives" are too busy advocating for
    "progress" in multi-gender nonsense and feeling sorry sorry for
    criminals:

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=ymyy-t-s&ei=UTF-8&p=a+policeman%27s+lot+gilbert+and+sullivan#id=4&vid=0626abb0dd7fadc8d9c4f4369e582fa4&action=view

    There is no open border.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/crisis-border-happened/story?id=78312099

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/16/politics/biden-immigration-crisis-title-42/index.html

    That said, a more open border is certainly a highly moral position to take.

    More "open" than the crisis there now? What's moral about women and
    children being raped by criminal cartels? And what's "moral" about having a >law against illegal illegal immigration, which can easily be changed by a vote >of the people, and breaking it anyway? Those who do it must not believe in >democracy. Is fascism moral?

    Progressives are interested in helping the homeless, even if they
    don't know how. "Conservatives" (which are anything but) care nothing
    for these people.

    This is a VERY prejudiced view. The "help" that "progressives" offer is >giving them free needles and doing nothing about the fentanyl that's
    killing them off. At least "conservatives" want to close the border to >reduce illegal crossings and drug trafficking.

    Most are Christians, and therefore consider them to be moral failures
    who can be abandoned.

    This is complete nonsense. An easy search reveals many, many sites
    that refute such a ridiculous assertion. Just a few:

    https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/our-vision-and-ministry/immigration-refugee-services/

    https://www.lirs.org/join-lirs-in-saying-no-to-president-bidens-proposed-asylum-ban/

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/how-churches-are-helping-asylum-seekers-on-both-sides-of-the-southern-border.html

    Nobody gets indoctrinated in schools.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/education-government-role-what-matters/index.html

    https://spectator.org/public-schools-gender-radical-reshaping/

    Indoctrination is obviously happening in schools. Denial of reality
    is a common "progressive" failing.

    That is what churches do.

    Contrary to what the schools are doing, parents decide IF (or how) they
    want their children "indoctrinated."

    You've swallowed the Koolaid and reveal yourself to be a moral monster
    in your comments here.

    :-)) Pot, kettle, black. You seem unable to see the "handwriting on the wall."
    Study a little history.

    It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
    -- George Washington

    "Three of the most civilizing tools known to humanity: the Bible,
    a repeating rifle and two parents." -- Barry Weir

    Your racism, hatred, and white supremacy shine through.

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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jun 9 05:54:42 2023
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:01:36 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 08:43:32 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:14?PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 7:06:17?AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative
    at forty you have no brain.” -- Winston Churchill

    :-)

    A reply to Peterson's self-righteous assertion: "Left-wing = has a moral compass."
    Perhaps his compass was made by Tates :-)

    Back in the 1800s the Tates Watch Company of Massachusetts wanted to produce other products and, since they already made the cases for watches, they used them
    to produce compasses. The new compasses were so bad that people often ended
    up in Canada or Mexico rather than California. This, of course, is the origin of the
    expression, "He who has a Tates is lost!"

    Not exactly a paragon of moral virtue you're quoting there!

    Truth comes from the strangest places :-)

    Moral conservatives are socially progressive.

    Ri-i-i-ght. Like open the border so cartels can get rich smuggling fentanyl and abusing women and children while they're at it?
    Elect a corrupt Manchurian candidate puppet who promotes
    spending the country into oblivion? Letting male bullies humiliate women athletes? Pushing indoctrination of children rather than educating them?

    The only valid "socially progressive" activity, IMHO, would be to
    get the homeless integrated back into society, which both parties
    have failed spectacularly at doing. Many of them should be in institutions, but "social progressives" are too busy advocating for "progress" in multi-gender nonsense and feeling sorry sorry for criminals:

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=ymyy-t-s&ei=UTF-8&p=a+policeman%27s+lot+gilbert+and+sullivan#id=4&vid=0626abb0dd7fadc8d9c4f4369e582fa4&action=view

    There is no open border.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/crisis-border-happened/story?id=78312099

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/16/politics/biden-immigration-crisis-title-42/index.html

    That said, a more open border is certainly a highly moral position to take.

    More "open" than the crisis there now? What's moral about women and children being raped by criminal cartels? And what's "moral" about having a
    law against illegal illegal immigration, which can easily be changed by a vote
    of the people, and breaking it anyway? Those who do it must not believe in democracy. Is fascism moral?

    Progressives are interested in helping the homeless, even if they
    don't know how. "Conservatives" (which are anything but) care nothing for these people.

    This is a VERY prejudiced view. The "help" that "progressives" offer is giving them free needles and doing nothing about the fentanyl that's killing them off. At least "conservatives" want to close the border to reduce illegal crossings and drug trafficking.

    Most are Christians, and therefore consider them to be moral failures who can be abandoned.

    This is complete nonsense. An easy search reveals many, many sites
    that refute such a ridiculous assertion. Just a few:

    https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/our-vision-and-ministry/immigration-refugee-services/

    https://www.lirs.org/join-lirs-in-saying-no-to-president-bidens-proposed-asylum-ban/

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/how-churches-are-helping-asylum-seekers-on-both-sides-of-the-southern-border.html

    Nobody gets indoctrinated in schools.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/education-government-role-what-matters/index.html

    https://spectator.org/public-schools-gender-radical-reshaping/

    Indoctrination is obviously happening in schools. Denial of reality
    is a common "progressive" failing.

    That is what churches do.

    Contrary to what the schools are doing, parents decide IF (or how) they want their children "indoctrinated."

    You've swallowed the Koolaid and reveal yourself to be a moral monster in your comments here.

    :-)) Pot, kettle, black. You seem unable to see the "handwriting on the wall."
    Study a little history.

    “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
    -- George Washington

    "Three of the most civilizing tools known to humanity: the Bible,
    a repeating rifle and two parents." -- Barry Weir

    Your racism, hatred, and white supremacy shine through.

    "If you put a few AlkaSeltzer tablets in your mouth, it will make you
    froth more convincingly." == Jan P. B.

    :-))) This is the typical "progressive" response to rational and reasoned thought. I'm not a "racist" nor do I "hate" anyone nor am I a jingoistic left-wing straw man. Peterson's responses contain a couple of fallacies
    used instead of critical thinking, described in Sagan's baloney detection kit:

    https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/

    1. Ad hominem
    18. straw man — caricaturing a position to make it easier to attack

    This sub-thread began with a witty quote by Winston Churchill and has devolved into a hate-filled rant by Chris. Apparently, he is offended by quotes from renowned historical people.

    "When you stop laughing, that’s when the trouble begins." -- Buddhist Monk

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 12:59:29 2023
    I am from the Human Race as a biological fact, what 'race' is everyone else from?.

    Natural selection weaponised the existing notion of 'races' by misusing the Earth science of biology and written as an evolutionary narrative where black complexion people were considered closer biologically to gorillas than white complexion Europeans-

    "At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world...The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it
    will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla." -- Charles Darwin (1871) The Descent of Man

    The accuser who uses the term 'racist' along with racism, racial, interracial, biracial and so on is far worse than the object of his accusation even if that person is prejudiced.

    Instead of undoing natural selection with its favoured/less favoured 'races', the geneticists try to make the Human Race a social construct instead of the biological fact that it is. The Human Race is comprised of many complexions and cultures but not '
    races' nor the accusation that one person can be a racist as an accuser or an object of the accusation.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 13:47:15 2023
    On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    You are a racist, homophobic hater, as anybody can see from your
    comments. That is not an ad hominem. It is an accurate assessment.

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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jun 9 14:14:42 2023
    On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
    <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    You are a racist,

    I have said nothing about race, so this indicates another logical
    fallacy:

    11. non sequitur

    homophobic hater,

    I have said nothing against homo sapiens :-)
    Nor gays nor lesbians. I said something SO obvious that any
    honest person must agree that this is contrary to basic
    decency: "Letting male bullies humiliate >women athletes":
    "Lea Thomas" is a bully. And I'll say that anyone who believes
    he or she can be any gender they choose is an unscientific
    cave(wo)man who rejects the scientific evidence of their DNA.

    as anybody can see from your comments. That is not an ad
    hominem. It is an accurate assessment.

    Au contraire, it's a rant against science and rational thought by
    someone who has drunk way too much Kool-Aid :-)) This is
    typical of today's "left wing": Divisive, unscientific, censoring
    baloney-spewers who eschew REAL liberalism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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