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  • Bright orbs of light blaze across the Northern California sky tonight

    From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 23:01:30 2023
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    😨😲

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Mar 18 02:48:12 2023
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    😨😲

    Obviously, space debris returning to the Earth's atmosphere:

    https://abc7news.com/fireball-over-california-meteor-shower-bright-lights-tonight/12971613/

    https://aerospace.org/reentries/iss-deb-ics-ef-id-45265

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 09:26:54 2023
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:48:14 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    😨😲
    Obviously, space debris returning to the Earth's atmosphere:

    https://abc7news.com/fireball-over-california-meteor-shower-bright-lights-tonight/12971613/

    https://aerospace.org/reentries/iss-deb-ics-ef-id-45265

    Breaks into small pieces, lands in Yosemite area?
    Great, getting hit by one small piece flying with the speed of sound?
    Hope no one gets hurt, including animals?
    🤔😱

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 15:11:59 2023
    On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:26:54 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:48:14?AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:01:32?AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    ??
    Obviously, space debris returning to the Earth's atmosphere:

    https://abc7news.com/fireball-over-california-meteor-shower-bright-lights-tonight/12971613/

    https://aerospace.org/reentries/iss-deb-ics-ef-id-45265

    Breaks into small pieces, lands in Yosemite area?
    Great, getting hit by one small piece flying with the speed of sound?
    Hope no one gets hurt, including animals?
    ??
    Anything that falls to the ground will be traveling at no more than
    terminal velocity, 20 or 30 meters/sec. Not that you'd want to get hit
    if it had much mass, but way better than something going near the
    speed of sound! But most likely nothing made it to the ground.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Mar 18 21:17:57 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    😨😲

    Here's the answer!!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB9hgcoHLEc

    Terry McSweeney speaks with Chabot Space Center’s astronomer Gerald McKeegan on this.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 19 05:24:30 2023
    On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 05:48:14 UTC-4, W wrote:
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    😨😲
    Obviously, space debris returning to the Earth's atmosphere:

    https://abc7news.com/fireball-over-california-meteor-shower-bright-lights-tonight/12971613/

    https://aerospace.org/reentries/iss-deb-ics-ef-id-45265

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to RichA on Sun Mar 19 05:58:13 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 8:24:32 AM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 05:48:14 UTC-4, W wrote:
    On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:01:32 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl37j9VhGW0

    Aliens coming back to earth?
    😨😲
    Obviously, space debris returning to the Earth's atmosphere:

    https://abc7news.com/fireball-over-california-meteor-shower-bright-lights-tonight/12971613/

    https://aerospace.org/reentries/iss-deb-ics-ef-id-45265
    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Those links that I posted yesterday identify the debris as having come from the ISS.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Tue Mar 21 07:59:02 2023
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.

    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Mar 21 06:27:26 2023
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.

    John Savard

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Mar 21 08:31:38 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 21 10:34:36 2023
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.

    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do...
    well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Mar 21 17:07:15 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:34:41 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.
    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do...
    well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

    The astronomers who have valid concerns about how their instruments and their work is affected by this new source of light pollution. Not you.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed Mar 22 02:36:25 2023
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 4:34:41 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do...
    well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

    Announcing yourself as an astronomer doesn't mean that much these days, as it is a combination of magnification enthusiasts and experimental theorists running amok with society.

    Projecting the rotating Earth into the Universe as a rotating celestial sphere is a subculture rather than behaving like adults and recognising that the stars, including our own star and solar system, actually move in a circle. You might have heard of
    this motion and structure as it is called a galaxy-

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Andromeda_Galaxy_560mm_FL.jpg/800px-Andromeda_Galaxy_560mm_FL.jpg

    To be fair to you, you come to an unmonetised/unmoderated forum sp are not entirely insulated from genuine astronomy.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 22 08:00:42 2023
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:07:15 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:34:41?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.
    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do...
    well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

    The astronomers who have valid concerns about how their instruments and their work is affected by this new source of light pollution. Not you.

    A very small number of astronomical research projects will be impacted
    (wide field surveys). So those few astronomers don't like the
    satellites. I get that. It doesn't mean they pose a threat to the
    overwhelming body of astronomical research projects.

    Their concerns are valid. But the impact on their work is more than
    offset by the much, much broader social good of these communications
    networks.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 22 11:07:01 2023
    On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 09:39:04 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:00:46?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:07:15 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:34:41?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.
    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do...
    well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

    The astronomers who have valid concerns about how their instruments and their work is affected by this new source of light pollution. Not you.
    A very small number of astronomical research projects will be impacted
    (wide field surveys). So those few astronomers don't like the
    satellites. I get that. It doesn't mean they pose a threat to the
    overwhelming body of astronomical research projects.

    Their concerns are valid. But the impact on their work is more than
    offset by the much, much broader social good of these communications
    networks.

    There will not be "social good" coming from those networks.

    There already is. And it will only get better as communications
    networks get broader and more diversified. This opens up network
    access to billions of people who have no other practical way of
    getting it.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed Mar 22 09:39:04 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:00:46 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:07:15 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:34:41?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is
    here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.
    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do...
    well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

    The astronomers who have valid concerns about how their instruments and their work is affected by this new source of light pollution. Not you.
    A very small number of astronomical research projects will be impacted
    (wide field surveys). So those few astronomers don't like the
    satellites. I get that. It doesn't mean they pose a threat to the overwhelming body of astronomical research projects.

    Their concerns are valid. But the impact on their work is more than
    offset by the much, much broader social good of these communications networks.

    There will not be "social good" coming from those networks.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed Mar 22 14:21:52 2023
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 1:07:05 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 09:39:04 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:00:46?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:07:15 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:34:41?PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:59:05?AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
    On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 6:24:32?AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Hopefully Starlink satellites.

    Starlink is now making itself useful in the struggle against
    Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, so we will just have
    to put up with it for now.
    Communications delivered from low Earth orbit is the future. It is >> >> >> here to stay, and poses very little problem for astronomy.

    How about we let the astronomers' opinion hold sway? Your opinions are not worth anything.
    I am an astronomer. These satellites have not presented much of a
    problem, and there's no reason to think they will. And if they do... >> >> well, so what? The reality is that they create far more value than
    astronomy does, if we're honest about it.

    The astronomers who have valid concerns about how their instruments and their work is affected by this new source of light pollution. Not you.
    A very small number of astronomical research projects will be impacted
    (wide field surveys). So those few astronomers don't like the
    satellites. I get that. It doesn't mean they pose a threat to the
    overwhelming body of astronomical research projects.

    Their concerns are valid. But the impact on their work is more than
    offset by the much, much broader social good of these communications
    networks.

    There will not be "social good" coming from those networks.
    There already is. And it will only get better as communications
    networks get broader and more diversified. This opens up network
    access to billions of people who have no other practical way of
    getting it.

    People such as those from NYC and UCLA?
    Because they don't seem to be having much luck learning geography, up to now.

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