• Europe wildfires: Are they linked to climate change?

    From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 12:58:31 2022
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 14:21:29 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now! >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small

    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to StarDust on Fri Jul 22 15:00:42 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:57:24 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now! >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).
    Back in the 1930s had the dust bowl, because of the drought farmers went out of business.
    Maybe the weather pattern repeats ?

    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes
    caused the phenomenon

    https://news.ucar.edu/8349/dust-bowl-v-drought-2012

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jul 22 14:57:23 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now! >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Back in the 1930s had the dust bowl, because of the drought farmers went out of business.
    Maybe the weather pattern repeats ?

    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes
    caused the phenomenon

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 16:57:45 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Back in the 1930s had the dust bowl, because of the drought farmers went out of business.
    Maybe the weather pattern repeats ?

    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes
    caused the phenomenon

    The Dust Bowl was the result of a moderate short term drought, very
    local, and highly exacerbated by bad land practices. It did not
    represent any sort of significant climate change.

    What we are seeing now is a global change which has no precedent over
    many millions of years. It is entirely caused by us, and therefore it
    isn't a repeating phenomenon.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jul 22 16:28:40 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:49 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT),
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Back in the 1930s had the dust bowl, because of the drought farmers went out of business.
    Maybe the weather pattern repeats ?

    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes
    caused the phenomenon
    The Dust Bowl was the result of a moderate short term drought, very
    local, and highly exacerbated by bad land practices. It did not
    represent any sort of significant climate change.

    What we are seeing now is a global change which has no precedent over
    many millions of years. It is entirely caused by us, and therefore it
    isn't a repeating phenomenon.

    Dust bowl lasted 10 years!
    Much fewer cars back than now!
    2020, 276 million IC vehicles in the US, 307 million in China, 246 million in the EU!
    1930 US had 47 million vehicles.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jul 22 16:17:49 2022
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 16:21:33 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <cso...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now! >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Last week it was cement...

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 18:28:51 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:49 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT),
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Back in the 1930s had the dust bowl, because of the drought farmers went out of business.
    Maybe the weather pattern repeats ?

    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes
    caused the phenomenon
    The Dust Bowl was the result of a moderate short term drought, very
    local, and highly exacerbated by bad land practices. It did not
    represent any sort of significant climate change.

    What we are seeing now is a global change which has no precedent over
    many millions of years. It is entirely caused by us, and therefore it
    isn't a repeating phenomenon.

    Dust bowl lasted 10 years!
    Much fewer cars back than now!
    2020, 276 million IC vehicles in the US, 307 million in China, 246 million in the EU!
    1930 US had 47 million vehicles.

    So? The Dust Bowl was just a moderate drought, of the sort that
    happens regionally every few centuries. Not a global event. Just
    normal climate variation.

    That is not what we are currently seeing.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 18:31:42 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 16:21:33 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <cso...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Last week it was cement...

    Yup, cement production is a part of it. Not "yesterday". About 8% of atmospheric CO2 outside the normal carbon cycle is from cement. It's
    something we'll eventually have to deal with (probably by carbon
    capture at the production source). But it's not part of the most
    critical problems, electricity production and transportation.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sat Jul 23 02:07:06 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:28:55 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:28:40 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:49 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT),
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world >> >> have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global >> >> warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as >> >> CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices). >> >
    Back in the 1930s had the dust bowl, because of the drought farmers went out of business.
    Maybe the weather pattern repeats ?

    The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes
    caused the phenomenon
    The Dust Bowl was the result of a moderate short term drought, very
    local, and highly exacerbated by bad land practices. It did not
    represent any sort of significant climate change.

    What we are seeing now is a global change which has no precedent over
    many millions of years. It is entirely caused by us, and therefore it
    isn't a repeating phenomenon.

    Dust bowl lasted 10 years!
    Much fewer cars back than now!
    2020, 276 million IC vehicles in the US, 307 million in China, 246 million in the EU!
    1930 US had 47 million vehicles.
    So? The Dust Bowl was just a moderate drought, of the sort that
    happens regionally every few centuries. Not a global event. Just
    normal climate variation.

    That is not what we are currently seeing.

    1/3 of the US, mostly the central plain, was effected by the dust bowl.
    No, it was not a global event, although Russia, Ukraine had famine in the same time, but created by the bad economic policy of the Soviet gov.!
    Stalin robbed the food storage of Ukraine to sell it to the west for exchange to technology, also to break the power of the kulaks!

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Jul 26 15:14:51 2022
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 20:31:45 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 16:21:33 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <cso...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Last week it was cement...
    Yup, cement production is a part of it. Not "yesterday". About 8% of atmospheric CO2 outside the normal carbon cycle is from cement. It's something we'll eventually have to deal with (probably by carbon
    capture at the production source). But it's not part of the most
    critical problems, electricity production and transportation.

    You know all of this is just a fraud, designed to distract from the fact it is due to population growth
    and overuse of resources (including fresh water)? When was the last time you heard a major politician
    lament the population growth in the Third World (which now contributes to most 1st World immigration)
    as being a bad thing, or at all?

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 26 22:00:06 2022
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:14:51 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 20:31:45 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 16:21:33 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <cso...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices).

    Last week it was cement...
    Yup, cement production is a part of it. Not "yesterday". About 8% of
    atmospheric CO2 outside the normal carbon cycle is from cement. It's
    something we'll eventually have to deal with (probably by carbon
    capture at the production source). But it's not part of the most
    critical problems, electricity production and transportation.

    You know all of this is just a fraud, designed to distract from the fact it is due to population growth
    and overuse of resources (including fresh water)? When was the last time you heard a major politician
    lament the population growth in the Third World (which now contributes to most 1st World immigration)
    as being a bad thing, or at all?

    It is not a fraud. Yes, population growth is why our carbon footprints
    must keep shrinking. It's why everything we do needs to be done with a
    lighter touch. The rate of population growth is decreasing. We can
    speed that up by doing what we can to move the developing countries
    into the developed ones. That means giving them a lot of resources.
    That's the only way to manage the population.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Wed Jul 27 20:30:02 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:58:33 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small

    In terms of acres burned 1957 and 1969 were about as big.

    Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story, though.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed Jul 27 21:09:09 2022
    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 9:00:10 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 15:14:51 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 20:31:45 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 16:21:33 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:58:31 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/58159451

    All these fires are definitely not the norm.
    Alaska has 331 active fires right now!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVwTUMMXoAIIlXd?format=jpg&name=small
    Most of the extreme weather events we're now seeing around the world
    have been conclusively tied to rapic climate change driven by global
    warming, itself triggered by our release of fossil carbon, mainly as
    CO2 and methane (the latter also a product of agricultural practices). >> >
    Last week it was cement...
    Yup, cement production is a part of it. Not "yesterday". About 8% of
    atmospheric CO2 outside the normal carbon cycle is from cement. It's
    something we'll eventually have to deal with (probably by carbon
    capture at the production source). But it's not part of the most
    critical problems, electricity production and transportation.

    You know all of this is just a fraud, designed to distract from the fact it is due to population growth
    and overuse of resources (including fresh water)? When was the last time you heard a major politician
    lament the population growth in the Third World (which now contributes to most 1st World immigration)
    as being a bad thing, or at all?
    It is not a fraud. Yes, population growth is why our carbon footprints
    must keep shrinking. It's why everything we do needs to be done with a lighter touch. The rate of population growth is decreasing. We can
    speed that up by doing what we can to move the developing countries
    into the developed ones. That means giving them a lot of resources.
    That's the only way to manage the population.

    move the developing countries
    into the developed ones.<<

    They've been doing it a long time, so now we have terrorism!
    EU moved over 1 million M-Easterners to Europe, but they are still coming!

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