I have every reason to encourage theorists to take the off ramp as they can model as much as they wish with
electromagnetism and those features which are lost to 'universal gravity' which is an opinion on attraction
without magnetic or electromagnetic attraction.
The complete avoidance of the magnetic signatures for the Earth in terms of orbital dynamics is also dismaying.
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:37:07 AM UTC-6, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
The complete avoidance of the magnetic signatures for the Earth in terms of orbital dynamics is also dismaying.
Immanuel Velikovsky thought so. I remember him saying that the exclusion of >forces other than gravity from orbital dynamics was in danger of turning into >a "dogma" among conventional scientists.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 04:24:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 12:37:07 AM UTC-6, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
The complete avoidance of the magnetic signatures for the Earth in terms of orbital dynamics is also dismaying.
Immanuel Velikovsky thought so. I remember him saying that the exclusion of >forces other than gravity from orbital dynamics was in danger of turning intoOf course, orbital dynamicists DON'T ignore other forces. In modeling
a "dogma" among conventional scientists.
the evolution of dust in the Solar System, in modeling the motion of
bodies up to at least tens of meters, there are forces other than
gravity that are required to explain their orbits. These are routinely evaluated.
Which just serves to demonstrate that the scientists who actually work
with this are ignoring nothing. They fully understand the forces
involved. The key point is that they understand where they apply, and
where they are significant factors in orbital analysis.
Of course, those who imagine the moon also rotates aside from its orbit of the Earth immediately disqualify themselves from any further consideration.
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:37:07 PM UTC-7, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course, those who imagine the moon also rotates aside from its orbit of the Earth
immediately disqualify themselves from any further consideration.
I can assure you, Gerald, that if you were to reside on the surface of the moon you
would see the Sun rise and set each lunar day... which is proof-positive that the
moon rotates with respect to the Sun... what other explanation could there possibly be?
That is what he misses - the subtle difference between the Moon facing the Earth in an absolutely fixed way, with its rotation relative to the Sun and the
fixed stars both deriving from its orbit, as he seems to believe - and the Moon
independently rotating on its axis with uniform motion, but with the same period as its orbit, so that we have *libration*.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:33:00 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:37:07 PM UTC-7, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course, those who imagine the moon also rotates aside from its orbit of the Earth
immediately disqualify themselves from any further consideration.
I can assure you, Gerald, that if you were to reside on the surface of the moon you
would see the Sun rise and set each lunar day... which is proof-positive that the
moon rotates with respect to the Sun... what other explanation could there possibly be?
He did not say that the Moon doesn't rotate _at all_. He said that it doesn't rotate
*aside from its orbit of the Earth*.
Fundamentally, the Moon orbits the Sun...rotating once every month and orbiting once every year.
On 2022-06-14 06:04:22 +0000, Quadibloc said:
That is what he misses - the subtle difference between the Moon facing the Earth in an absolutely fixed way, with its rotation relative to the Sun and theIt may be hard not notice but Mare Marginalis sometimes is and sometimes
fixed stars both deriving from its orbit, as he seems to believe - and the Moon
independently rotating on its axis with uniform motion, but with the same period as its orbit, so that we have *libration*.
is not vidible to Earth.
Mikko
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 2:13:51 PM UTC+1, Chris L Peterson wrote:
Fundamentally, the Moon orbits the Sun...rotating once every month and orbiting once every year.
Fundamentally, the moons of Jupiter orbit their parent planet-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcrBAuLBXag
Fundamentally planets orbit their parent star -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg
Get someone to drive your car around a traffic island where you are standing on the island watching the same side of the car at all times and that is how the moon orbits the Earth each month. If you also believe the moon rotates then good for you,
The Earth's orbital speed is about 30 km/s, and the Moon's (around the Earth) is about 1 km/s. If the Earth goes away..
On 14/06/2022 12.24, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
Get someone to drive your car around a traffic island where you are standing on the island watching the same side of the car at all times and that is how the moon orbits the Earth each month. If you also believe the moon rotates then good for you,Since the car will point in all directions as it goes around
the island, it seems pretty obvious that it's rotating.
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Get someone to drive your car around a traffic island where you are standing on the island watching the same side of the car at all times and that is how the moon orbits the Earth each month. If you also believe the moon rotates then good for you, but the moon is actually a round object where some sides of the moon are visible than others as it runs a circuit of the Earth because it
isn't a flat object and is really close.
Since the car will point in all directions as it goes around
the island, it seems pretty obvious that it's rotating.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:41:49 PM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
On 2022-06-14 06:04:22 +0000, Quadibloc said:>> > That is what he
misses - the subtle difference between the Moon facing the> > Earth in
an absolutely fixed way, with its rotation relative to the Sun and the>
fixed stars both deriving from its orbit, as he seems to believe -and the Moon> > independently rotating on its axis with uniform motion,
but with the same> > period as its orbit, so that we have *libration*.
It may be hard not notice but Mare Marginalis sometimes is and
sometimes> is not vidible to Earth.>> Mikko
Here is what you do.
Get someone to drive your car around a traffic island where you are
standing on the island watching the same side of the car at all times
and that is how the moon orbits the Earth each month. If you also
believe the moon rotates then good for you, but the moon is actually a
round object where some sides of the moon are visible than others as it
runs a circuit of the Earth because it isn't a flat object and is
really close.
If you are close to being beyond all hope and are a science fantasy
addict like many here-
https://miro.medium.com/max/575/1*nUxm5MD_2xO5Y9LorrV8FQ.jpeg
Figure it out yourself.
The thread if for a different audience who can observe, interpret and conclude from those observations.
On 2022-06-14 17:24:33 +0000, kellehe...@gmail.com said:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:41:49 PM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
On 2022-06-14 06:04:22 +0000, Quadibloc said:>> > That is what he
misses - the subtle difference between the Moon facing the> > Earth in
an absolutely fixed way, with its rotation relative to the Sun and the> >> > fixed stars both deriving from its orbit, as he seems to believe -
and the Moon> > independently rotating on its axis with uniform motion, >> but with the same> > period as its orbit, so that we have *libration*.
It may be hard not notice but Mare Marginalis sometimes is and
sometimes> is not vidible to Earth.>> Mikko
Here is what you do.
Get someone to drive your car around a traffic island where you are standing on the island watching the same side of the car at all times
and that is how the moon orbits the Earth each month. If you also
believe the moon rotates then good for you, but the moon is actually a round object where some sides of the moon are visible than others as it runs a circuit of the Earth because it isn't a flat object and is
really close.
If you are close to being beyond all hope and are a science fantasy
addict like many here-
https://miro.medium.com/max/575/1*nUxm5MD_2xO5Y9LorrV8FQ.jpeg
Figure it out yourself.
The thread if for a different audience who can observe, interpret and conclude from those observations.Moon as seen from Eath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_21N3wcX8
Mikko
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