• What about Gout?

    From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 3 00:18:54 2023
    So Gout is a problem.

    Well. Not so much a problem as an oddity.

    Some of the worst triggers for Gout are in
    fact aquatic foods!

    They are not the only triggers.

    Also, Gout typically strikes at an evolutionarily
    insignificant time... over 30. Neanderthals were
    the first believed to have lived beyond this age.
    I've heard it claimed that Neanderthals may
    have been the first to have known grandparents!

    So in the entire history of the genus Homo, Gout
    may have been an issue for the last 10% of the
    time span... or less.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20627967/

    : various mutations of its gene during the Miocene epoch

    That's interesting. The timing. And it's not just
    humans.

    So Gout, the mutation that allows it, doesn't
    exclude Aquatic Ape but it seems significant. At
    least it's estimated origins.

    NOTE: Molecular dating is false. It's just plain
    wrong. We know this. There are many, many
    examples of a species "Suddenly" appearing in
    the fossil record, and even accepting that they
    were probably around for a lot longer, there is no
    way that a "Clock Like" mutation rate can account
    for them.

    Nor us.

    Without selective pressures, our mtDNA, for
    example, doesn't seem to have any "Clock"
    anymore... such as the LM3 insert in Chromosome
    11.




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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 3 02:50:18 2023
    Op dinsdag 3 januari 2023 om 09:18:55 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

    So Gout is a problem.

    Yes, I had once a gouty attack,
    my father had perhaps 100 (he didn't take allopurinol).

    "Uric acid and evolution"
    Bonifacio Álvarez-Lario & Jesús Macarrón-Vicente 2010
    doi 10.1093/rheumatology/keq204

    UA is the end-product of Hs purine metabolism,
    due to the loss of uricase activity (various Miocene mutations of its gene), Hs have higher UA levels than other mammals.
    90 % of UA filtered by the kidneys is re-absorbed, instead of being excreted:
    - have evolution & physiology not treated UA as a harmful waste product, but as something beneficial, that has to be kept?
    - were there evol.advantages of uricase loss & increased UA levels?
    - was (cf. the powerful anti-oxidant activity of UA) the evol.benefit the increased life-expectancy of hominids?
    - was uricase loss & UA increase a mechanism to maintain BP in times of very low salt ingestion?
    - does UA increase intelligence in Hs?
    - does UA protect against several neuro-degenerative diseases: actions on neuronal development & function?
    These hypotheses are discussed from an evol.perspective & their clinical significance.
    UA has
    - some obvious harmful effects,
    - some (not so well-known) beneficial effects as an anti-oxidant & neuro-protector.

    Why Miocene?? what about UA & uricase in other Hominoidea?
    You know my hypothesis:
    late-Oligo-, perhaps early-Miocene, Hominoidea colonized the island archipels between India & S-Asia (hominoid/cercopithecoid split),
    they became "aquarboreal" (google): bipedally wading + climbing arms overhead: larger size, tail loss, broad sternum-thorax & pelvis, vertical spine, shorter lumbar spine, dorsal scapulas, longer arms, lateral arm+leg movements etc.
    Probably also an other diet: shellfish?? mangrove oysters??
    but why uricase loss??



    Well. Not so much a problem as an oddity.
    Some of the worst triggers for Gout are in
    fact aquatic foods!
    They are not the only triggers.
    Also, Gout typically strikes at an evolutionarily
    insignificant time... over 30. Neanderthals were
    the first believed to have lived beyond this age.
    I've heard it claimed that Neanderthals may
    have been the first to have known grandparents!
    So in the entire history of the genus Homo, Gout
    may have been an issue for the last 10% of the
    time span... or less.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20627967/
    : various mutations of its gene during the Miocene epoch
    That's interesting. The timing. And it's not just humans.
    So Gout, the mutation that allows it, doesn't
    exclude Aquatic Ape but it seems significant. At
    least its estimated origins.
    NOTE: Molecular dating is false. It's just plain
    wrong. We know this. There are many, many
    examples of a species "Suddenly" appearing in
    the fossil record, and even accepting that they
    were probably around for a lot longer, there is no
    way that a "Clock Like" mutation rate can account
    for them.
    Nor us.
    Without selective pressures, our mtDNA, for
    example, doesn't seem to have any "Clock"
    anymore... such as the LM3 insert in Chromosome 11.

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