• My turn to make an easel

    From Bill@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 26 20:50:14 2023
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Bill on Mon Feb 27 10:22:25 2023
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner".  Any other ideas about how to create this "flexible joint"?  Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Bill on Mon Feb 27 11:18:33 2023
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner".  Any other ideas about how to create
    this "flexible joint"?  Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.


    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

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  • From Michael@21:1/5 to Bill on Mon Feb 27 13:46:11 2023
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:50:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    I made this one over 10 years ago. It's covered in paint now, as it should be.

    https://ibb.co/9g2WxJF

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Bill on Mon Feb 27 16:54:13 2023
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 10:22:31 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create this "flexible joint"? Cheers!
    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.

    "Wing nut" fits this group better anyway. ;-)

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Michael on Mon Feb 27 21:06:40 2023
    On 2/27/2023 4:46 PM, Michael wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:50:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create this
    "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    I made this one over 10 years ago. It's covered in paint now, as it should be.

    https://ibb.co/9g2WxJF

    That's fine work! At this point (I haven't even bought any paint yet),
    I'll settle for a desktop version that will hold a 9"x12" canvas panel.
    I painted two pictures in oil while of high school age, which didn't
    come out so bad considering I didn't really have any training. But my
    dad had some drawing skills, and as a little kid I would occasionally
    ask him to draw for my entertainment. I got in the habit of drawing
    everyday, before I had a drivers license. One of the paintings (if I am generous with the term!) is sitting on a shelf in my living room, for sentimental reasons. It would be better if I had known enough to lay
    down a "wash coat" (bottom layer).

    When I showed the first painting I mentioned above to my english teacher
    (as it was based on a short story we read), she asked if she could have
    it--so that's where it went. While in art class in high school, I did a
    drawing with a black crayon that my teacher had on display in a glass
    case in the hallway, along with the works of some others. My history
    class teacher must have walked by the glass case, as he asked me if I
    would draw each of the 7 wonders of the ancient world in black crayon,
    in lieu of a writing a report. And, I thought that was a "good deal"! I
    work cheap! To be honest, I don't think I draw that well, but I can do
    better than someone who can't draw at all--Landscapes not so bad,
    portraits not so good! But I haven't given up! Maybe I'll try to paint
    the dog. I tried sketching her a few weeks ago, but she got up and my
    drawing went strictly downhill after that. Before she left it looked
    okay, and I should have quit while I was ahead (and I knew it too!) As
    YouTube has stimulated me with alot of free lessons, and I thought I'd
    try acrylic.

    Sorry for the long post.

    Still looking for a good homemade "rivet". I was looking at bolts last
    night. If I did use a wing-nut and bolt combo, is there a bolt that is "handier" than one having a hex-head? I guess I could put a wing nut on
    each side, but that would not seem to be so aesthetically pleasing! A
    carriage bolt and a wingnut would surely get the job done. My dad would
    have taken the first option that occurred to him, based on what he had
    in the garage, and not looked back! We're spoiled! ; )

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to Bill on Wed Mar 1 00:27:14 2023
    Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote in
    news:SkdLL.1334042$9sn9.653140@fx17.iad:


    Still looking for a good homemade "rivet". I was looking at bolts last
    night. If I did use a wing-nut and bolt combo, is there a bolt that is "handier" than one having a hex-head? I guess I could put a wing nut
    on each side, but that would not seem to be so aesthetically pleasing!
    A carriage bolt and a wingnut would surely get the job done. My dad
    would have taken the first option that occurred to him, based on what
    he had in the garage, and not looked back! We're spoiled! ; )


    A wing nut on either side would not work so well with a hex bolt, but cut
    the head off (or use threaded rod) and you'd have something that would
    work. Loctite on one side would be a good idea, so the threaded rod
    won't spin as you're trying to turn the other side.

    Alternatively, there are a variety of knobs out there. Many use a socket that's been formed to fit the hex head of a bolt. You can make your own
    if that works better, either by carving out the flats of the head or
    using something like an insert nut to cut the threads. In a strong
    enough hardwood, just cutting threads with a tap will work.

    There's also knurled nuts available.

    I'd probably either buy a knob or 3D print something, but that's just me.

    Puckdropper

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to Bill on Tue Feb 28 20:20:54 2023
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 20:50:14 -0500, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have >considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create this >"flexible joint"? Cheers!


    Browsing Lee Valley's online hardware catalog
    might give you some ideas :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/jig-and-fixture-parts

    John T.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Tue Feb 28 21:21:27 2023
    On 2/28/2023 8:20 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    Browsing Lee Valley's online hardware catalog
    might give you some ideas :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/jig-and-fixture-parts

    John T.

    It did. Combining what I saw there with what Puckdropper said, I need
    to make my own knobs. I need to contemplate the details (and see what
    Menards has on hand). Thank you both for your suggestions!

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Mar 1 14:52:30 2023
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have >> considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create
    this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Wed Mar 1 21:20:11 2023
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have >>>> considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think >>>> that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create
    this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)

    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess
    around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your
    brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Bill on Thu Mar 2 19:18:06 2023
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 8:06:47 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 4:46 PM, Michael wrote:
    On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 7:50:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have >> considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create this >> "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    I made this one over 10 years ago. It's covered in paint now, as it should be.

    https://ibb.co/9g2WxJF
    That's fine work! At this point (I haven't even bought any paint yet),
    I'll settle for a desktop version that will hold a 9"x12" canvas panel.
    I painted two pictures in oil while of high school age, which didn't
    come out so bad considering I didn't really have any training. But my
    dad had some drawing skills, and as a little kid I would occasionally
    ask him to draw for my entertainment. I got in the habit of drawing everyday, before I had a drivers license. One of the paintings (if I am generous with the term!) is sitting on a shelf in my living room, for sentimental reasons. It would be better if I had known enough to lay
    down a "wash coat" (bottom layer).

    When I showed the first painting I mentioned above to my english teacher
    (as it was based on a short story we read), she asked if she could have it--so that's where it went. While in art class in high school, I did a drawing with a black crayon that my teacher had on display in a glass
    case in the hallway, along with the works of some others. My history
    class teacher must have walked by the glass case, as he asked me if I
    would draw each of the 7 wonders of the ancient world in black crayon,
    in lieu of a writing a report. And, I thought that was a "good deal"! I
    work cheap! To be honest, I don't think I draw that well, but I can do better than someone who can't draw at all--Landscapes not so bad,
    portraits not so good! But I haven't given up! Maybe I'll try to paint
    the dog. I tried sketching her a few weeks ago, but she got up and my drawing went strictly downhill after that. Before she left it looked
    okay, and I should have quit while I was ahead (and I knew it too!) As YouTube has stimulated me with alot of free lessons, and I thought I'd
    try acrylic.

    Sorry for the long post.

    Still looking for a good homemade "rivet". I was looking at bolts last night. If I did use a wing-nut and bolt combo, is there a bolt that is "handier" than one having a hex-head? I guess I could put a wing nut on
    each side, but that would not seem to be so aesthetically pleasing! A carriage bolt and a wingnut would surely get the job done. My dad would
    have taken the first option that occurred to him, based on what he had
    in the garage, and not looked back! We're spoiled! ; )

    I'm not sure what you are describing, but it might be a binder screw post. Search for it on Amazon.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Thu Mar 2 22:51:37 2023
    On 3/2/2023 10:18 PM, Bob Davis wrote:

    I'm not sure what you are describing, but it might be a binder screw post. Search for it on Amazon.

    Well, the easel I saw in a store actually had a "rivet" installed by a machine--a metal tube with both ends flared outward to hold 2 boards
    together, yet allowing them to rotate one atop of the other. But I think
    the solution that you and Puckdropper guided me toward, of using a
    (homemade) knob (attached to about 2" of threaded rod) is a good
    solution, and I appreciate it! So simple, but it was hard for me to
    envision without a push! Your binding post would work too, if you didn't
    mind the joinery being dependent upon a screwdriver to snug it up.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri Mar 3 14:16:10 2023
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 22:51:37 -0500, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

    On 3/2/2023 10:18 PM, Bob Davis wrote:

    I'm not sure what you are describing, but it might be a binder screw post. Search for it on Amazon.

    Well, the easel I saw in a store actually had a "rivet" installed by a >machine--a metal tube with both ends flared outward to hold 2 boards >together, yet allowing them to rotate one atop of the other. But I think
    the solution that you and Puckdropper guided me toward, of using a
    (homemade) knob (attached to about 2" of threaded rod) is a good
    solution, and I appreciate it! So simple, but it was hard for me to
    envision without a push! Your binding post would work too, if you didn't
    mind the joinery being dependent upon a screwdriver to snug it up.

    Rivnut?

    Or EzLoc:

    .<https://www.ezlok.com/for-wood/for-hard-wood/ezknife-inserts-brass-for-hard-wood>

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Bill on Sat Mar 4 15:13:25 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to >>>> allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think >>>> that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create
    this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Sat Mar 4 23:54:49 2023
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to >>>>>> allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have >>>>>> considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think >>>>>> that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess
    around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your
    brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.

    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I
    would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth
    trying to paint with them). Cheers!

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 05:02:03 2023
    On 3/5/2023 4:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:54:55 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to >>>>>>>> allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think >>>>>>>> that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife. >>>>>
    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess >>>> around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your
    brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.
    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a
    "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than
    "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I
    would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth
    trying to paint with them). Cheers!

    If it works the same way with artist’s brushes as it does with painter’s brushes, getting brand names might not be enough. The specific model is important too.

    For example, in my area, Home Depot carries Wooster brushes and rollers but they don’t carry the top of the line Wooster brushes and rollers. I get those at a dedicated paint store. Sure, I pay more but since I hate painting I don’t want to make it
    any harder than it has to be.

    I don't skimp on brushes either. I think I usually buy "Purdy". But that
    still doesn't address the question as to whether these are suitable
    substitutes for artists brushes (of the same size). Once you venture
    into the world of art retail, you notice that they "play alot of pricing games"--including having higher prices than those at the "big orange". I
    am guessing they will work equally well if you don't leave brush strokes.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Bill on Sun Mar 5 01:17:31 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:54:55 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to >>>>>> allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess
    around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your
    brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.
    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth trying to paint with them). Cheers!

    If it works the same way with artist’s brushes as it does with painter’s brushes, getting brand names might not be enough. The specific model is important too.

    For example, in my area, Home Depot carries Wooster brushes and rollers but they don’t carry the top of the line Wooster brushes and rollers. I get those at a dedicated paint store. Sure, I pay more but since I hate painting I don’t want to make it
    any harder than it has to be.

    I also take good care of my brushes. I often joke that I could paint an entire house, clean the brushes, return them and they could hang ‘em on the hook and sell them again. If you are lazy when it comes to using, cleaning and storing brushes, you can
    turn a top of the line brush into a bottom of the line brush after just one use.

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to Bill on Sun Mar 5 10:20:03 2023
    Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote in
    news:uMZML.1796357$GNG9.1114560@fx18.iad:


    I don't skimp on brushes either. I think I usually buy "Purdy". But
    that still doesn't address the question as to whether these are
    suitable substitutes for artists brushes (of the same size). Once you venture into the world of art retail, you notice that they "play alot
    of pricing games"--including having higher prices than those at the
    "big orange". I am guessing they will work equally well if you don't
    leave brush strokes.


    Don't forget the paint makes a difference too. Even a guy like me who
    usually just kinda slops some color on a surface can tell the difference between the cheap Apple Barrel Colors paint at Walmart and a serious model paint from a hobby store. I bet the brushes will all work the same with
    the cheap paint but you'll start to see their abilities come out with
    serious paints.

    Puckdropper

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Bill on Sun Mar 5 05:08:36 2023
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:02:08 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 4:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:54:55 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: >>>>>> On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife. >>>>>
    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess >>>> around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your >>>> brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.
    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a >> "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than >> "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I >> would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth >> trying to paint with them). Cheers!

    If it works the same way with artist’s brushes as it does with painter’s brushes, getting brand names might not be enough. The specific model is important too.

    For example, in my area, Home Depot carries Wooster brushes and rollers but they don’t carry the top of the line Wooster brushes and rollers. I get those at a dedicated paint store. Sure, I pay more but since I hate painting I don’t want to make
    it any harder than it has to be.
    I don't skimp on brushes either. I think I usually buy "Purdy". But that still doesn't address the question as to whether these are suitable substitutes for artists brushes (of the same size). Once you venture
    into the world of art retail, you notice that they "play alot of pricing games"--including having higher prices than those at the "big orange". I
    am guessing they will work equally well if you don't leave brush strokes.

    Your last sentence doesn’t really make sense to me.

    How does one know “who” is leaving the brush strokes - the
    painter or the brush (or the paint)?

    I’d speculate that the brush place a big part in that equation.
    I’ll further speculate that there are brushes designed to leave
    brush strokes - good quality brushes.

    Here’s a pretty in depth discussion of purposely leaving
    brush marks. It’s been a thing for centuries.

    https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/topic/leaving-visible-brush-marks-fad-or-utilitarian/

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 08:24:29 2023
    On 3/5/2023 8:08 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 5:02:08 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 3/5/2023 4:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:54:55 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to
    allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife. >>>>>>>
    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess >>>>>> around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your >>>>>> brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.
    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a >>>> "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than >>>> "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I >>>> would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth >>>> trying to paint with them). Cheers!

    If it works the same way with artist’s brushes as it does with painter’s brushes, getting brand names might not be enough. The specific model is important too.

    For example, in my area, Home Depot carries Wooster brushes and rollers but they don’t carry the top of the line Wooster brushes and rollers. I get those at a dedicated paint store. Sure, I pay more but since I hate painting I don’t want to make
    it any harder than it has to be.
    I don't skimp on brushes either. I think I usually buy "Purdy". But that
    still doesn't address the question as to whether these are suitable
    substitutes for artists brushes (of the same size). Once you venture
    into the world of art retail, you notice that they "play alot of pricing
    games"--including having higher prices than those at the "big orange". I
    am guessing they will work equally well if you don't leave brush strokes.

    Your last sentence doesn’t really make sense to me.

    How does one know “who” is leaving the brush strokes - the
    painter or the brush (or the paint)?

    I’d speculate that the brush place a big part in that equation.
    I’ll further speculate that there are brushes designed to leave
    brush strokes - good quality brushes.

    "Heavy body" paint is intended to hold brush strokes, and it needs a sufficiently firm brush (or painting knife) to push it around.

    Personally, I like to make brush strokes, as it is so easy to do with
    oil, but I'm not starting there with acrylics.



    Here’s a pretty in depth discussion of purposely leaving
    brush marks. It’s been a thing for centuries.

    https://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/topic/leaving-visible-brush-marks-fad-or-utilitarian/

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Bill on Tue Mar 7 16:02:18 2023
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:54:55 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to >>>>>> allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think
    that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife.

    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess
    around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your
    brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.
    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth trying to paint with them). Cheers!

    My wife is a pure oil on canvas painter. She would not know what to do with water based. :-)

    Bob

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Tue Mar 7 21:11:33 2023
    On 3/7/2023 7:02 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:54:55 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/4/2023 6:13 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:20:20 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 5:52 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:18:47 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
    On 2/26/2023 8:50 PM, Bill wrote:
    I remember a while back, someone here made an "easel".
    I examined one of the tabletop ones, and they featured
    a a couple of "rivets" about 3/8" in diameter (through the 1"x2"s) to >>>>>>>> allow it to be folded up quite compactly. Had I not looked, I might have
    considered bolts with "elbow nuts" in place of the rivets, but I think >>>>>>>> that the rivets are "cleaner". Any other ideas about how to create >>>>>>>> this "flexible joint"? Cheers!

    Oops, it's called a "wing nut", not an elbow nut.
    It was likely Bob. He recently finished a large easel for his wife. >>>>>
    Not I. The OP used words like "compact" and "folds up". My easel, being 7 feet tall and weighing over 200 lb does not fit those descriptions. :-)
    Bob. Here is a serious question for you. It sounds like you don't mess >>>> around with those small tubes of paint. Where do you get most of your
    brushes, "blicks" (or the equivalent) or Home Depot?

    My wife is the artist in the family. She buys her brushes from various art supply sources, but never Home Depot. I will get a list of the brands she uses. She said she takes better care of her brushes than most artists. Her brushes last forever.
    Thanks Bob! But there is no need to do that. I already have my eye on a
    "middle-level" line (of firm synthetic brushes). I just couldn't help
    but notice that brushes from the hardware store can be had for less than
    "artists" brushes, and nylon is a synthetic which is supposed to hold
    water well--and my intention is to apply (water based) acrylic paint.
    Now if you are willing to frame the question for her in that context, I
    would be very curious about her opinion (as to whether it might be worth
    trying to paint with them). Cheers!

    My wife is a pure oil on canvas painter. She would not know what to do with water based. :-)

    Bob

    Well, Thanks for trying to assist!

    Bill

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