We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new!
This is the new floor.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674328507/in/datetaken/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674833676/in/datetaken/
On 2/7/2023 10:59 AM, Leon wrote:
This is the new floor.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674328507/in/datetaken/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674833676/in/datetaken/
People make jokes about stepping on Lego blocks. Takes a real pro to
navigate your floor.
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the counter >> tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new!No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12
years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and
designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and
to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18"
long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2,
13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed
trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration.
On 2/7/2023 10:59 AM, Leon wrote:
This is the new floor.People make jokes about stepping on Lego blocks. Takes a real pro to navigate your floor.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674328507/in/datetaken/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674833676/in/datetaken/
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 4:04:37 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2023 10:59 AM, Leon wrote:
This is the new floor.People make jokes about stepping on Lego blocks. Takes a real pro to
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674328507/in/datetaken/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52674833676/in/datetaken/
navigate your floor.
For some reason that photo reminds me of a movie scene where a floor was covered with mouse traps. ;~)
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:counter
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the
kitchenNo, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actuallytops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new!
keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range
including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12
years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing
everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and
designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our
neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a
different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and
to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the
refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18"
long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the
dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2,
13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed
trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration.
Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so
guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new! >> No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually
including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12
years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing
everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and
designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our
neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a
different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and >> to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the
refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18"
long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the
dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2,
13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed
trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration.
Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so
guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but mykitchen
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations
of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how
all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the island
vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table and chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range
and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space
to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter
top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will only be
used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30"
and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl
with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc.
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:counter
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the
kitchenAre you going to have a table and chairs there?tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new! >>>> No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually >>>> keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range >>>> including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12 >>>> years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing
everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and
designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our >>>> neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a
different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and >>>> to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the >>>> refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18"
long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the
dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2, >>>> 13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed >>>> trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration. >>>
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy >>> some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so
guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations
of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how
all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the island
vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table and
chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range
and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space
to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter
top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will only be
used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30"
and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl
with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc.
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm
I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen and we're getting
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years.
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few years, with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board slats from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower piece.
I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:counter
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the
kitchenAre you going to have a table and chairs there?tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new! >>>> No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually >>>> keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range >>>> including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12 >>>> years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was >>>> funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden >>>> oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and
designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our >>>> neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures >>>> of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and >>>> to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the >>>> refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18"
long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2, >>>> 13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed >>>> trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration. >>>
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy >>> some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so
guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations >> of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how
all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the island >> vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table and >> chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range
and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space
to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter
top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will only be >> used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30"
and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl
with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc.
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm
I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen and we're getting
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years.
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few years,
with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board slats from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower piece. I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpgThe after looks Great!! Good Job!
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to
be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of
the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that
cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom
to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile
under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course
it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher
and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash
the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was
too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose
and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer, electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water
and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The after looks Great!! Good Job!
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:counter
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the
kitchenAre you going to have a table and chairs there?tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new! >>>>>> No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually >>>>>> keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range >>>>>> including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12 >>>>>> years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was >>>>>> funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden >>>>>> oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and
designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our >>>>>> neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures >>>>>> of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and >>>>>> to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the >>>>>> refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18"
long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2, >>>>>> 13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed >>>>>> trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration. >>>>>
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy >>>>> some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so
guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations >>>> of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how >>>> all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the island >>>> vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table and >>>> chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range >>>> and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space >>>> to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter
top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will only be >>>> used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30"
and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl
with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc.
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm
I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen and we're getting
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years.
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few years, >>> with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board slats >>> from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower piece. >>> I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top
centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to
be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of
the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out
trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that
cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom
to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile
under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course
it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both
leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher
and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash
the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the
floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was
too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose
and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer,
electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water
and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
Thanks. It got sold when they moved to Denver, taking only
what they could fit in (and on) their cars. They loaded their
Subaru to the max and I paid to have it shipped to Denver so
that they could drive together. There was barely room for the
trucker to get in and drive it onto his hauler. When they loaded
the car they didn’t consider that the trucker might be a lot taller
than either of them. He wasn’t happy when he realized he couldn’t
move the seat back. :-)
Why wouldn’t the installers put tile under the DW? Liability?
I would have tried to get them to put a clause in the contract
relieving them of any liability or maybe leave enough tile to
have done it myself. What was the issue?
On 2/11/2023 2:15 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The after looks Great!! Good Job!
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen and we're getting
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:kitchen
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the >>>>> counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new! >>>>>>> No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually >>>>>>> keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range >>>>>>> including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12 >>>>>>> years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was >>>>>>> funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden >>>>>>> oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>>>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and >>>>>>> designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our >>>>>>> neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures >>>>>>> of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>>>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and >>>>>>> to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the >>>>>>> refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18" >>>>>>> long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>>>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2, >>>>>>> 13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed >>>>>>> trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration. >>>>>>
Why not turn the island 90�, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy >>>>>> some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so >>>>>> guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations >>>>> of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how >>>>> all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the island >>>>> vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table and >>>>> chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range >>>>> and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space >>>>> to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter >>>>> top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will only be >>>>> used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30" >>>>> and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl >>>>> with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc.
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm >>>>
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years.
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few years,
with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board slats >>>> from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower piece. >>>> I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top
centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to
be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of
the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out >>> trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that
cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom
to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile
under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course
it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both
leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher
and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash
the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the
floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was
too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose
and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer,
electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water
and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
Thanks. It got sold when they moved to Denver, taking only
what they could fit in (and on) their cars. They loaded their
Subaru to the max and I paid to have it shipped to Denver so
that they could drive together. There was barely room for the
trucker to get in and drive it onto his hauler. When they loaded
the car they didn�t consider that the trucker might be a lot taller
than either of them. He wasn�t happy when he realized he couldn�t
move the seat back. :-)
Why wouldn�t the installers put tile under the DW? Liability?
I would have tried to get them to put a clause in the contract
relieving them of any liability or maybe leave enough tile to
have done it myself. What was the issue?
It is one of those "got'cha" things that come up. Initially, before
the job started, they said that they would not remove the tile under the >dishwasher. I did not care, you never see it. And then they did any
way as access to the DW was open in front and on the right side. And
there were half tiles, the old ones, that went 7" under the DW. They
felt that the new tiles would be too tall for the DW to go back in. And
down here most "skilled labor" and I use that term loosely, does not
have a command of English. I was assured that I could remove the DW if
they left the tile out. I was not so sure of that statement and made
it a point yesterday to remove the DW. It came out easily once I
adjusted the adjustable leveling front feet to the mostly up position.
And then I cut 3 of the left over tiles myself and simply set them in
the spot that the DW fits in to. Fit was fine less the mastic that
holds the tile.
Ultimately it was probably a good idea to leave the permanently laid
tile out, the extra 1/8"~ 1/4"clearance makes stuffing the insulation
wrapped around the DW easier.
AND THEN, I discovered that the DW water had been turned off after
pulling it out and opening it up to dirty dishes, it is a separate line.
I was thinking what are the chances that the DW simply quit working,
until I found that the water had been turned off. So I ran the DW where
it sat, outside the hole it fit into. Great! No new DW!
Whew!
But not so fast. After relocating the DW in its hole I discovered a
water leak. Of course! It did not leak while out in the open, only
after I stuffed it back in its hole.
The leak, as best I can tell, is coming from the flexible water line
that attaches to the DW. That line is similar to a garden hose fitting
on the DW end. There was a drip forming every couple of seconds that
did not seem to becoming from the upper part of the hose nor the screw >fitting, just at the back end of the crimp/swivel fitting.
So back out again with the DW, tipped on its side and I removed the
supply line. I will be getting a new one to replace this 12 year old
one this morning. And hopefully that will be that.
I have done about 22 kitchens, many clean installs on new homes whenAlways seem to come in threew ---------
Swingman and I used to work together on the homes he built.
Hopefully I will fix the leak with a new hose and I can proceed to non
water related work and repurposing cabinets. New construction from
this point, I hope.
It is always something.
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 09:04:37 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 2/11/2023 2:15 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Always seem to come in threew ---------
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The after looks Great!! Good Job!
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen and we're getting
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many iterations >>>>>> of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how >>>>>> all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are actually >>>>>>>> keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the range >>>>>>>> including the upper around to the range.
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the >>>>>> counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look brand new!
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the rage 12 >>>>>>>> years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It was >>>>>>>> funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal golden >>>>>>>> oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>>>>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and >>>>>>>> designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home in our >>>>>>>> neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take pictures >>>>>>>> of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>>>>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and lower and
to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top between the >>>>>>>> refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18" >>>>>>>> long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>>>>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle holding 2, >>>>>>>> 13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the repurposed >>>>>>>> trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for illustration.
Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and build/buy
some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so >>>>>>> guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my >>>>>> kitchen
is too small.
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the island >>>>>> vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table and >>>>>> chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range >>>>>> and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space >>>>>> to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter >>>>>> top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will only be >>>>>> used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30" >>>>>> and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl >>>>>> with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc. >>>>>>
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm >>>>>
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years. >>>>>
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few years,
with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board slats
from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower piece. >>>>> I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top >>>> centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to >>>> be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of >>>> the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out >>>> trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that
cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom
to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile
under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course
it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both
leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher
and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash
the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the >>>> floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was >>>> too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose
and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer, >>>> electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water >>>> and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
Thanks. It got sold when they moved to Denver, taking only
what they could fit in (and on) their cars. They loaded their
Subaru to the max and I paid to have it shipped to Denver so
that they could drive together. There was barely room for the
trucker to get in and drive it onto his hauler. When they loaded
the car they didn’t consider that the trucker might be a lot taller
than either of them. He wasn’t happy when he realized he couldn’t
move the seat back. :-)
Why wouldn’t the installers put tile under the DW? Liability?
I would have tried to get them to put a clause in the contract
relieving them of any liability or maybe leave enough tile to
have done it myself. What was the issue?
It is one of those "got'cha" things that come up. Initially, before
the job started, they said that they would not remove the tile under the
dishwasher. I did not care, you never see it. And then they did any
way as access to the DW was open in front and on the right side. And
there were half tiles, the old ones, that went 7" under the DW. They
felt that the new tiles would be too tall for the DW to go back in. And
down here most "skilled labor" and I use that term loosely, does not
have a command of English. I was assured that I could remove the DW if
they left the tile out. I was not so sure of that statement and made
it a point yesterday to remove the DW. It came out easily once I
adjusted the adjustable leveling front feet to the mostly up position.
And then I cut 3 of the left over tiles myself and simply set them in
the spot that the DW fits in to. Fit was fine less the mastic that
holds the tile.
Ultimately it was probably a good idea to leave the permanently laid
tile out, the extra 1/8"~ 1/4"clearance makes stuffing the insulation
wrapped around the DW easier.
AND THEN, I discovered that the DW water had been turned off after
pulling it out and opening it up to dirty dishes, it is a separate line.
I was thinking what are the chances that the DW simply quit working,
until I found that the water had been turned off. So I ran the DW where
it sat, outside the hole it fit into. Great! No new DW!
Whew!
But not so fast. After relocating the DW in its hole I discovered a
water leak. Of course! It did not leak while out in the open, only
after I stuffed it back in its hole.
The leak, as best I can tell, is coming from the flexible water line
that attaches to the DW. That line is similar to a garden hose fitting
on the DW end. There was a drip forming every couple of seconds that
did not seem to becoming from the upper part of the hose nor the screw
fitting, just at the back end of the crimp/swivel fitting.
So back out again with the DW, tipped on its side and I removed the
supply line. I will be getting a new one to replace this 12 year old
one this morning. And hopefully that will be that.
I have done about 22 kitchens, many clean installs on new homes when
Swingman and I used to work together on the homes he built.
Hopefully I will fix the leak with a new hose and I can proceed to non
water related work and repurposing cabinets. New construction from
this point, I hope.
It is always something.
On 2/11/2023 2:15 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The after looks Great!! Good Job!
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:kitchen
On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the >>>>> counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look
brand new!
actually
keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the >>>>>>> range
including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the
rage 12
years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It >>>>>>> was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal
golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>>>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and >>>>>>> designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home
in our
neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take
pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>>>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and
lower and
to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top
between the
refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18" >>>>>>> long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>>>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle
holding 2,
13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the
repurposed
trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for
illustration.
Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and
build/buy
some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so >>>>>> guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my
is too small.I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many
iterations
of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how >>>>> all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the
island
vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table
and
chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range >>>>> and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space >>>>> to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter >>>>> top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will
only be
used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30" >>>>> and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl >>>>> with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc.
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm >>>>
and we're getting
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to
the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the
interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the
typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower
cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years.
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few
years,
with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted
a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board
slats
from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower
piece.
I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with
the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top
centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to
be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of
the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out >>> trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that
cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom
to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile
under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course
it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both
leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher
and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash
the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the
floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was
too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose
and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer,
electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water
and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
Thanks. It got sold when they moved to Denver, taking only
what they could fit in (and on) their cars. They loaded their
Subaru to the max and I paid to have it shipped to Denver so
that they could drive together. There was barely room for the
trucker to get in and drive it onto his hauler. When they loaded
the car they didn’t consider that the trucker might be a lot taller
than either of them. He wasn’t happy when he realized he couldn’t
move the seat back. :-)
Why wouldn’t the installers put tile under the DW? Liability?
I would have tried to get them to put a clause in the contract
relieving them of any liability or maybe leave enough tile to
have done it myself. What was the issue?
It is one of those "got'cha" things that come up. Initially, before
the job started, they said that they would not remove the tile under the dishwasher. I did not care, you never see it. And then they did any
way as access to the DW was open in front and on the right side. And there were half tiles, the old ones, that went 7" under the DW. They
felt that the new tiles would be too tall for the DW to go back in. And
down here most "skilled labor" and I use that term loosely, does not
have a command of English. I was assured that I could remove the DW if they left the tile out. I was not so sure of that statement and made
it a point yesterday to remove the DW. It came out easily once I
adjusted the adjustable leveling front feet to the mostly up position.
And then I cut 3 of the left over tiles myself and simply set them in
the spot that the DW fits in to. Fit was fine less the mastic that
holds the tile.
Ultimately it was probably a good idea to leave the permanently laid
tile out, the extra 1/8"~ 1/4"clearance makes stuffing the insulation
wrapped around the DW easier.
AND THEN, I discovered that the DW water had been turned off after
pulling it out and opening it up to dirty dishes, it is a separate line.
I was thinking what are the chances that the DW simply quit working,
until I found that the water had been turned off. So I ran the DW where
it sat, outside the hole it fit into. Great! No new DW!
Whew!
But not so fast. After relocating the DW in its hole I discovered a
water leak. Of course! It did not leak while out in the open, only
after I stuffed it back in its hole.
The leak, as best I can tell, is coming from the flexible water line
that attaches to the DW. That line is similar to a garden hose fitting
on the DW end. There was a drip forming every couple of seconds that
did not seem to becoming from the upper part of the hose nor the screw fitting, just at the back end of the crimp/swivel fitting.
So back out again with the DW, tipped on its side and I removed the
supply line. I will be getting a new one to replace this 12 year old
one this morning. And hopefully that will be that.
I have done about 22 kitchens, many clean installs on new homes when
Swingman and I used to work together on the homes he built.
Hopefully I will fix the leak with a new hose and I can proceed to non
water related work and repurposing cabinets. New construction from
this point, I hope.
It is always something.
On 2/11/2023 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
On 2/11/2023 2:15 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The after looks Great!! Good Job!
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are >>>>>>> actually
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the >>>>> counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look >>>>>>>> brand new!
keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the >>>>>>> range
including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the >>>>>>> rage 12
years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It >>>>>>> was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal >>>>>>> golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>>>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and >>>>>>> designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home >>>>>>> in our
neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take
pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>>>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and >>>>>>> lower and
to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top
between the
refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18" >>>>>>> long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>>>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle
holding 2,
13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the
repurposed
trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for
illustration.
Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and
build/buy
some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so >>>>>> guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my >>>>> kitchen
is too small.
iterations
of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how >>>>> all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the >>>>> island
vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table >>>>> and
chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range >>>>> and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space >>>>> to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter >>>>> top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will
only be
used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30" >>>>> and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl >>>>> with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc. >>>>>
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm >>>>
and we're getting
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to
the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the
interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the
typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower
cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years. >>>>
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few >>>> years,
with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted >>>> a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board >>>> slats
from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower
piece.
I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with
the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top >>> centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to >>> be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of >>> the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out >>> trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that
cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom >>> to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile
under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course
it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both >>> leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher
and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash
the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the >>> floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was >>> too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose
and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer, >>> electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water >>> and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
Thanks. It got sold when they moved to Denver, taking only
what they could fit in (and on) their cars. They loaded their
Subaru to the max and I paid to have it shipped to Denver so
that they could drive together. There was barely room for the
trucker to get in and drive it onto his hauler. When they loaded
the car they didn’t consider that the trucker might be a lot taller
than either of them. He wasn’t happy when he realized he couldn’t
move the seat back. :-)
Why wouldn’t the installers put tile under the DW? Liability?
I would have tried to get them to put a clause in the contract
relieving them of any liability or maybe leave enough tile to
have done it myself. What was the issue?
It is one of those "got'cha" things that come up. Initially, before
the job started, they said that they would not remove the tile under the dishwasher. I did not care, you never see it. And then they did any
way as access to the DW was open in front and on the right side. And there were half tiles, the old ones, that went 7" under the DW. They felt that the new tiles would be too tall for the DW to go back in. And down here most "skilled labor" and I use that term loosely, does not
have a command of English. I was assured that I could remove the DW if they left the tile out. I was not so sure of that statement and made
it a point yesterday to remove the DW. It came out easily once I
adjusted the adjustable leveling front feet to the mostly up position.
And then I cut 3 of the left over tiles myself and simply set them in
the spot that the DW fits in to. Fit was fine less the mastic that
holds the tile.
Ultimately it was probably a good idea to leave the permanently laid
tile out, the extra 1/8"~ 1/4"clearance makes stuffing the insulation wrapped around the DW easier.
AND THEN, I discovered that the DW water had been turned off after
pulling it out and opening it up to dirty dishes, it is a separate line.
I was thinking what are the chances that the DW simply quit working, until I found that the water had been turned off. So I ran the DW where it sat, outside the hole it fit into. Great! No new DW!
Whew!
But not so fast. After relocating the DW in its hole I discovered a
water leak. Of course! It did not leak while out in the open, only
after I stuffed it back in its hole.
The leak, as best I can tell, is coming from the flexible water line
that attaches to the DW. That line is similar to a garden hose fitting
on the DW end. There was a drip forming every couple of seconds that
did not seem to becoming from the upper part of the hose nor the screw fitting, just at the back end of the crimp/swivel fitting.
So back out again with the DW, tipped on its side and I removed the
supply line. I will be getting a new one to replace this 12 year old
one this morning. And hopefully that will be that.
What dishwasher did you get?I have done about 22 kitchens, many clean installs on new homes when Swingman and I used to work together on the homes he built.
Hopefully I will fix the leak with a new hose and I can proceed to non water related work and repurposing cabinets. New construction from
this point, I hope.
It is always something.So Back from the hardware store with the new hose. The helpful hardware
guy measured my hose as I stretched it out and he measured 47". I
bought the 48" one. Got home and uncoiled the new hose and it was a
foot too short. I measured 58" on my old one. I opted for the 72"
the second time around.
So far no leaks. Fingers crossed.
On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:54:37 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On 2/11/2023 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:What dishwasher did you get?
On 2/11/2023 2:15 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:So Back from the hardware store with the new hose. The helpful hardware
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/10/2023 1:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:55:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The after looks Great!! Good Job!
On 2/7/2023 6:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I just finished putting wood-look vinyl plank down in the kitchen
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2023 2:04 PM, Michael Trew wrote:I began designing this about 2 years ago and there were many
On 2/6/2023 12:46, Leon wrote:No, those in the picture are the 12 year old cabinets. We are >>>>>>>>> actually
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>>>
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the >>>>>>> counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
Those aren't the new cabinets installed?? They already look >>>>>>>>>> brand new!
keeping the cabinets under the sink all around the corner to the >>>>>>>>> range
including the upper around to the range.
And we are changing color. This dark brown/mocha color was the >>>>>>>>> rage 12
years ago but there are disadvantages to this color and style. It >>>>>>>>> was
funny, the builder was building the spec homes with the normal >>>>>>>>> golden
oak or similar color cabinets. We built from the ground up choosing >>>>>>>>> everything and went with the dark cabinets. After the builder and >>>>>>>>> designers saw our kitchen they built every, remaining spec home >>>>>>>>> in our
neighborhood, with the dark cabinets. And then asked to take >>>>>>>>> pictures
of our entire house for the designers to copy for a model home in a >>>>>>>>> different new neighborhood.
Ill be replacing cabinets to the left of the range, upper and >>>>>>>>> lower and
to the right of the sink, upper and lower.
The basic plan was to change the length of the counter top
between the
refrigerator and the range to 56". The current counter top is 18" >>>>>>>>> long. That 18" counter top cabinet will be moved to the right of the >>>>>>>>> dishwasher and repurposed to be a pull out trash receptacle
holding 2,
13 gallon containers.
Then the refrigerator will be relocated to the right of the
repurposed
trash receptacle, on the sink side wall.
And then the additional 11' of pony wall counter cabinets.
This is where we are headed, the table and chairs are for
illustration.
Are you going to have a table and chairs there?
Why not turn the island 90°, lengthen it, add an overhang and >>>>>>>> build/buy
some nice stools (with backs)? Have them facing the window wall, so >>>>>>>> guests can talk to the cook.
Maybe even a prep sink in the island. I'd love one of those but my >>>>>>> kitchen
is too small.
iterations
of what to do with the island and table. I was not quite sure that how >>>>>>> all of this would fit together. The island old top is currently
outside. 3cm granite 36" x 48".
The island top is going to shrink to 24" x 48" and only cover the >>>>>>> island
vs. over hanging 12". This gains us 12 inches of room for the table >>>>>>> and
chairs. Additionally the island is moving about 8" closer to the range >>>>>>> and about 5" sway from the sink. We mostly used the extra island space >>>>>>> to serve food. With the pony wall cabinets and the 36" x 127" counter >>>>>>> top we will have a much larger serving area and the island will
only be
used for food prep. We will be adding a larger sink, 33" long vs 30" >>>>>>> and it is likely going to be a Rivati work station sink. Single bowl >>>>>>> with lips to slide cutting boards, colanders, draining racks, etc. >>>>>>>
https://www.ruvati.com/products/rvh8222-33-inch-workstation-two-tiered-ledge-kitchen-sink-undermount-16-gauge/
And quartz counter tops,
https://www.arizonatile.com/products/slab/della-terra-quartz/pro-storm >>>>>>
and we're getting
quotes on counter tops. We have stick built cabinets, original to
the 1956 house,
and we're keeping those. It's a relatively small kitchen and the
interior openness
of "one-big-box" stick built cabinets would be lost if I built the >>>>>> typical individual
box cabinets. I already built/installed drawers for the lower
cabinets and plan to
restart the shaker door project that's been stalled for a few years. >>>>>>
Regarding islands, my daughter had an apartment in Vermont for a few >>>>>> years,
with really big kitchen but literally no counter space. I converted >>>>>> a $100 thrift
store hutch into island which made a huge difference. The bead-board >>>>>> slats
from the upper portion were used to dress up the back of the lower >>>>>> piece.
I'm pretty sure that I used your favorite levelers - the ones with >>>>>> the through-the-
base Allen wrench adjustors.
Befores:
https://i.imgur.com/XOFNEPG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IMX6o1a.jpg
Afters:
https://i.imgur.com/J44gEhl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eeIziHg.jpg
So about October of 2020 we were going to build a home with a cook top >>>>> centered on an 11' long counter. Opposite, an island that was going to >>>>> be 11' long. About 6' more actual counter space than we had in 3
locations. Now we will have about 30'
So I am repurposing an 18" counter cabinet that was on the left side of >>>>> the range and moving to the sink side wall and will make that a pull out >>>>> trash receptical. I have spent the better part of today fitting that >>>>> cabinet in under the current counter. I have had to modify the bottom >>>>> to be shorter to sit on top of the tile vs. on the slab where it
originally was. And the floor guys said that they could not put tile >>>>> under the dishwasher. The pulled the old tile out. ;~( And of course >>>>> it was adjusted with the front feet that prevented removal. So down
flat on the floor to reach under there and make quarter turns of both >>>>> leveling feet about 1/2". And I was able to get it out with out too
much trouble after that. But then I decided to unload the dishwasher >>>>> and boy did it stink. The soap dispenser had opened but did not wash >>>>> the dishes. I turned it back on and heard no water running. I then
thought 12 year old dishwasher coincidentally stopped working after the >>>>> floor guys replaced it. Hummm, how did they get it out as the hose was >>>>> too short. Soooooo i began digging under the sink to locate the hose >>>>> and after removing about 50 lbs of cleaning products, plant fertilizer, >>>>> electronic leak detector, and who know what else, Oh, furniture
polish...... I saw the shut off valve. I grabbed it and turned it
back on. Turned the dishwasher back on and away it went. Whew! I
saw another $1K on top of everything else for s new DW. Those poor
guys emptied the cabinet to turn the water off and disconnect the water >>>>> and the reverse steps.
But seriously, your after pic of the cabinet looks great!
Thanks. It got sold when they moved to Denver, taking only
what they could fit in (and on) their cars. They loaded their
Subaru to the max and I paid to have it shipped to Denver so
that they could drive together. There was barely room for the
trucker to get in and drive it onto his hauler. When they loaded
the car they didn’t consider that the trucker might be a lot taller
than either of them. He wasn’t happy when he realized he couldn’t
move the seat back. :-)
Why wouldn’t the installers put tile under the DW? Liability?
I would have tried to get them to put a clause in the contract
relieving them of any liability or maybe leave enough tile to
have done it myself. What was the issue?
It is one of those "got'cha" things that come up. Initially, before
the job started, they said that they would not remove the tile under the >>> dishwasher. I did not care, you never see it. And then they did any
way as access to the DW was open in front and on the right side. And
there were half tiles, the old ones, that went 7" under the DW. They
felt that the new tiles would be too tall for the DW to go back in. And
down here most "skilled labor" and I use that term loosely, does not
have a command of English. I was assured that I could remove the DW if >>> they left the tile out. I was not so sure of that statement and made
it a point yesterday to remove the DW. It came out easily once I
adjusted the adjustable leveling front feet to the mostly up position.
And then I cut 3 of the left over tiles myself and simply set them in
the spot that the DW fits in to. Fit was fine less the mastic that
holds the tile.
Ultimately it was probably a good idea to leave the permanently laid
tile out, the extra 1/8"~ 1/4"clearance makes stuffing the insulation
wrapped around the DW easier.
AND THEN, I discovered that the DW water had been turned off after
pulling it out and opening it up to dirty dishes, it is a separate line. >>> I was thinking what are the chances that the DW simply quit working,
until I found that the water had been turned off. So I ran the DW where >>> it sat, outside the hole it fit into. Great! No new DW!
Whew!
But not so fast. After relocating the DW in its hole I discovered a
water leak. Of course! It did not leak while out in the open, only
after I stuffed it back in its hole.
The leak, as best I can tell, is coming from the flexible water line
that attaches to the DW. That line is similar to a garden hose fitting
on the DW end. There was a drip forming every couple of seconds that
did not seem to becoming from the upper part of the hose nor the screw
fitting, just at the back end of the crimp/swivel fitting.
So back out again with the DW, tipped on its side and I removed the
supply line. I will be getting a new one to replace this 12 year old
one this morning. And hopefully that will be that.
I have done about 22 kitchens, many clean installs on new homes when
Swingman and I used to work together on the homes he built.
Hopefully I will fix the leak with a new hose and I can proceed to non
water related work and repurposing cabinets. New construction from
this point, I hope.
It is always something.
guy measured my hose as I stretched it out and he measured 47". I
bought the 48" one. Got home and uncoiled the new hose and it was a
foot too short. I measured 58" on my old one. I opted for the 72"
the second time around.
So far no leaks. Fingers crossed.
We have begun our kitchen re-do.
Tile guys are here and the tile has been removed from the kitchen, mid
point of the house.
We masked but that has not been great but towels at the bottom of closed doors has worked well. Roomba will be busy!
We are going with a very close match tile but with a wood plank
appearance. We did not want to see a stark color change in our flooring from out entry way through the kitchen to the living room.
You can see the old tile color and the new tile color in the following pictures.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673207764/in/datetaken/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52673236899/in/datetaken/
I'll post more progress pictures as I build new cabinets and the counter
tops go in, 30+ linear feet of new counter tops.
OK Still quiet here.
I'll post something.
I "think" I mentioned repurposing one of or existing kitchen cabinets,
and relocating it elsewhere in the kitchen.
And we relocated the refrigerated from the left side of the picture to
the right side.
Here it is, our new pull out trash bin and location. I used a Rev-Shelf
brand that uses a pneumatic piston, like those that hold the car hoods
up, to aid in opening and closing. It holds 2, 13 gallon bins.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52695684462/in/datetaken/
AND we repainted the walls and baseboards. My wife did the walls, same
color, and I painted the baseboards, same color. I thought we did a
good job. I masked the new floor with 2" blue tape exposing about 1/16"
of the new floor between the base board and the tape edge. This also
covered the grout between the tile and baseboard. Then I used a fast
drying DAP brand caulk and with a wet finger smoothed it out. I made
sure that I wiped any caulk off of the upper side of the base board with
a wet paper towel. Then I painted. I eye balled the line between the
wall paint and the top of the base boards, no masking tape there.
Apparently it is pretty common to not caulk and just use shoe molding.
The builder painted the same way in the picture and that has held up
very well for the past 12 years.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52696706248/in/datetaken/
And on another note, we are thinking about replacing our refrigerator
with a counter depth vs. regular depth model. I believe we will save approximately 6~8" of protrusion. Our current model protrudes 12" past counter top. So we are looking at another Samsung, the Bespoke models
and those get poor ratings for customer satisfaction and reliability. We
only had a single incident with the ice maker on our current Samsung
model about 10 years ago. We want to eliminate the door ice and water dispenser. The Bespoke models that we are looking at have the ice maker
in the bottom freezer and auto fill a water pitcher inside the unit
itself. Has any one got a Bespoke model and what are your thoughts? And
or what did you buy?
I can't speak to the Bespoke line (NPI) but I can complain about my new >Samsung washer and dryer. $1400 for the pair (on sale) and apparently
the most popular pair they sell. We bought them in August so they are
still under warranty.
About a month ago the washer starting making a loud tapping noise
during the spin cycle. This washer has a filter down near the floor that >you're supposed to clean every now and then. It turns out the screw that >holds the filter housing to the frame had come loose (probably never >tightened to spec). Whenever the washer went into the spin cycle, the
housing would tap-tap-tap against the frame. The tech had to take half
the washer apart just to get to that one screw. If that screw was loose,
I wonder what else is loose and is going to come back and bite me after
the warranty has expired.
The dryer has had an intermittent problems since day 1 and I'm about to pull >the trigger on a warranty service call. The way this unit work is that you touch
the power symbol on the digital display to turn it on and then select your >settings. Sometimes, randomly, like maybe once a month, the dryer will not >turn on. Doesn't matter if it's been sitting for days or just turned itself off
after the last use. Nothing happens when you touch the power button. I have >to unplug it and then plug it back in to get it to work. I mentioned it to the >tech that fixed the washer and he ran some diagnostics on the dryer, but of >course, being an intermittent issue, it work just fine and passed all of his tests.
...snip...
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:39:45 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
I can't speak to the Bespoke line (NPI) but I can complain about my new >Samsung washer and dryer. $1400 for the pair (on sale) and apparently
the most popular pair they sell. We bought them in August so they are >still under warranty.
About a month ago the washer starting making a loud tapping noise
during the spin cycle. This washer has a filter down near the floor that >you're supposed to clean every now and then. It turns out the screw that >holds the filter housing to the frame had come loose (probably never >tightened to spec). Whenever the washer went into the spin cycle, the >housing would tap-tap-tap against the frame. The tech had to take half
the washer apart just to get to that one screw. If that screw was loose,
I wonder what else is loose and is going to come back and bite me after >the warranty has expired.
The dryer has had an intermittent problems since day 1 and I'm about to pull
the trigger on a warranty service call. The way this unit work is that you touch
the power symbol on the digital display to turn it on and then select your >settings. Sometimes, randomly, like maybe once a month, the dryer will not >turn on. Doesn't matter if it's been sitting for days or just turned itself off
after the last use. Nothing happens when you touch the power button. I have >to unplug it and then plug it back in to get it to work. I mentioned it to the
tech that fixed the washer and he ran some diagnostics on the dryer, but of >course, being an intermittent issue, it work just fine and passed all of his tests.
...snip...I know that there is a recent recall for Samsung washers I saw, do not
have the URL anymore though it did not apply to ours.
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 12:00:40 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
OK Still quiet here.
I'll post something.
I "think" I mentioned repurposing one of or existing kitchen cabinets,
and relocating it elsewhere in the kitchen.
And we relocated the refrigerated from the left side of the picture to
the right side.
Here it is, our new pull out trash bin and location. I used a Rev-Shelf
brand that uses a pneumatic piston, like those that hold the car hoods
up, to aid in opening and closing. It holds 2, 13 gallon bins.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52695684462/in/datetaken/
I love the way you left the top open for easy access. ;-)
But seriously...
We have a relatively small galley kitchen. U-shaped counter on one wall, fridge and range on the other. To the right of the fridge is "wasted space", required so that the door to the garage/basement can swing open.
Between the fridge and range is a 24" wide cabinet, giving us some
counter top next to the range. The previous owners (family of 6) lived
here for 30 years, with, as far as I can tell, just open space between the fridge and range. That's just one of the many things in this house that
has often made me say "The solution is so simple, why did they live this
way for so long?" I built that cabinet within a month of moving in.
Anyway, we keep our garbage can in that cabinet. The door comes up the
top of the 13 gallon can, leaving 10" of open space for access. Go ahead, call us slops for leaving our garbage exposed, but we have never been fans
of having to open a cabinet door to throw something away. The short door
was my compromise between "fully exposed" and "easy access".
AND we repainted the walls and baseboards. My wife did the walls, same
color, and I painted the baseboards, same color. I thought we did a
good job. I masked the new floor with 2" blue tape exposing about 1/16"
of the new floor between the base board and the tape edge. This also
covered the grout between the tile and baseboard. Then I used a fast
drying DAP brand caulk and with a wet finger smoothed it out. I made
sure that I wiped any caulk off of the upper side of the base board with
a wet paper towel. Then I painted. I eye balled the line between the
wall paint and the top of the base boards, no masking tape there.
I hate painting. Unfortunately I'm too anal to sit back and let SWMBO
do it.
We just put Vinyl plank in the kitchen and attached office. We also added
a shiplap accent wall in the office. All new floor trim in the kitchen, all new
1x3 and 1x4 flat trim in the office. 2 large openings, 1 window and of course,
the floor trim.
As noted above, the basement and garage are accessed from the kitchen. There's a landing one step down from the kitchen, so we decided to do the landing with the same flooring. As I was getting ready to do that section,
I realized that it had been a really long time since we painted that area, so out came the brushes and rollers. I painted the landing and the walls/ceiling down to the basement. A PITA and a delay in the main project. Did I mention that I hate painting?
For the 10 x 13 office, I painted all the trim and the shiplap before installing
it so all I had to do was touch up my nail holes, etc. SWMBO is happy, so it was worth the trouble.
The wall, in process and the finished product. (Just hung the drapes today)
https://i.imgur.com/WlKJNew.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HreHvWD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WiYncbl.jpg
Close up of flooring...
https://i.imgur.com/dR1ExTv.jpg
Time to shop for a new recliner, lamps and other miscellaneous furnishings.
Apparently it is pretty common to not caulk and just use shoe molding.
The builder painted the same way in the picture and that has held up
very well for the past 12 years.
There are 2 genes that I wasn't born with:
The caulking gene and the drywall mudding gene. I hate those tasks
almost as much as I hate painting.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52696706248/in/datetaken/
And on another note, we are thinking about replacing our refrigerator
with a counter depth vs. regular depth model. I believe we will save
approximately 6~8" of protrusion. Our current model protrudes 12" past
counter top. So we are looking at another Samsung, the Bespoke models
and those get poor ratings for customer satisfaction and reliability. We
only had a single incident with the ice maker on our current Samsung
model about 10 years ago. We want to eliminate the door ice and water
dispenser. The Bespoke models that we are looking at have the ice maker
in the bottom freezer and auto fill a water pitcher inside the unit
itself. Has any one got a Bespoke model and what are your thoughts? And
or what did you buy?
I can't speak to the Bespoke line (NPI) but I can complain about my new Samsung washer and dryer. $1400 for the pair (on sale) and apparently
the most popular pair they sell. We bought them in August so they are
still under warranty.
About a month ago the washer starting making a loud tapping noiseOf course. My 2019 F150's passenger door handle does not always unlock
during the spin cycle. This washer has a filter down near the floor that you're supposed to clean every now and then. It turns out the screw that holds the filter housing to the frame had come loose (probably never tightened to spec). Whenever the washer went into the spin cycle, the
housing would tap-tap-tap against the frame. The tech had to take half
the washer apart just to get to that one screw. If that screw was loose,
I wonder what else is loose and is going to come back and bite me after
the warranty has expired.
The dryer has had an intermittent problems since day 1 and I'm about to pull the trigger on a warranty service call. The way this unit work is that you touch
the power symbol on the digital display to turn it on and then select your settings. Sometimes, randomly, like maybe once a month, the dryer will not turn on. Doesn't matter if it's been sitting for days or just turned itself off
after the last use. Nothing happens when you touch the power button. I have to unplug it and then plug it back in to get it to work. I mentioned it to the
tech that fixed the washer and he ran some diagnostics on the dryer, but of course, being an intermittent issue, it work just fine and passed all of his tests.
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Our present kitchen was considerably smaller. It
will be much larger as far as lower cabinet storage and counter space.
The builder gave us 5 drawers, 2 in the island and 3 smaller ones in
carious spots in the kitchen. The larger of those 3 was in the new
garbage reciptical unit. I added 6 drawers to the island, behind the
cabinet doors 11 years ago. With the new lower cabinets I am loosing the
3 small drawers to be replaced with 18 considerably larger drawers. And
we are gaining about 15' of counter space and 2/3's of that will be 36'
deep.
The wall, in process and the finished product. (Just hung the drapes today)
https://i.imgur.com/WlKJNew.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HreHvWD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WiYncbl.jpg
Close up of flooring...
https://i.imgur.com/dR1ExTv.jpgAll of that looks great, good job. I have been pondering doing that
same type wall on our back wall.
Time to shop for a new recliner, lamps and other miscellaneous furnishings.It is always something.
Apparently it is pretty common to not caulk and just use shoe molding.
The builder painted the same way in the picture and that has held up
very well for the past 12 years.
There are 2 genes that I wasn't born with:
The caulking gene and the drywall mudding gene. I hate those tasksCaulk is easier "if" you start with a small bead, 1/8" max. Then a wet
almost as much as I hate painting.
finger from a wet paper towel. Even then the 1/8" bead may be a bit
much as witnessed by your finger build while smoothing the bead. Don't
over work the bead.
But yes that becomes an art. Now for me it is a matter of learning to
not get caulk all over every where. The caulk does not absorb into the
paper towel so it is ready to transfer from the towel to everything
else. ;~)
I have had to repair drywall where out Great Dane would pop holes in the wall. She would get excited and spin in a circle and fall into the
wall. I got very good at doing the repairs including texturing. I
have never installed drywall, that stuff is too heavy.
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:20:09 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
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Our present kitchen was considerably smaller. It
will be much larger as far as lower cabinet storage and counter space.
The builder gave us 5 drawers, 2 in the island and 3 smaller ones in
carious spots in the kitchen. The larger of those 3 was in the new
garbage reciptical unit. I added 6 drawers to the island, behind the
cabinet doors 11 years ago. With the new lower cabinets I am loosing the
3 small drawers to be replaced with 18 considerably larger drawers. And
we are gaining about 15' of counter space and 2/3's of that will be 36'
deep.
I've added drawers where I could in my kitchen. I also put drawers in all
the lowers at my daughter's house. Lower cabinets have been used in
kitchens for hundreds of years. Way back then, there were no drawers,
just doors. I'm sure that when someone first said "Hey, let's put a row
of drawers right under the counter", the world was thrilled. What a great idea! I've always wondered why it took so long for us to realize that lower cabinet doors were the worst idea ever. I mean, how long has been - maybe
20 years (less?) since drawers in the lower cabinets became common?
What took us so long, considering that the top drawers were staring us in that face all that time, while we were crawling around on the floor looking for that wayward pot lid?
During a project, totally unrelated to my kitchen, I found a found a huge void in the pipe/wiring chase that runs from basement to the attic. In this image of your kitchen you have a wall on the left side
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52696690860/
I have a pipe chase in a similar spot. As it turns out, it's mostly empty. I built a 18" W x 11" D x 60" H box and inserted into the wall. That's about
7 cubic feet of extra cabinet space, essential in a small kitchen. The tall door on the far left.
https://i.imgur.com/h2Ydh7D.jpg
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You want a something? Here's a something...
SWMBO spend several hundred dollars on the curtain rod, rings, drapes, etc. for that wall. The rod is adjustable for 48" to 88". They do this by supplying
a 48" long 1.25" diameter rod and 2 slightly smaller diameter rods that slide out of each end to the desired length. Those "internal" section have threaded ends so you can screw in various types of finials.
The problem is that the curtain rings get caught on the ledge caused by the transition from the small section to the large section and you can't close the drapes without lifting the rings over the "hump". When you grab the drapes to push them upward to get the rings over the hump, the drape pins fall out of the drapes. The whole system is a terrible design.
The transition point:
https://i.imgur.com/r3B9Qch.jpg
A snagged ring:
https://i.imgur.com/Fi03yrb.jpg
I called customer service (Pottery Barn) and explained the problem. I told them that I need another 48" long 1.25" diameter rod which will allow me to create a full-length smooth rod. Now, get this. They don't sell/supply "parts"
for this item. The only thing they can do is sent me a replacement which
will include the outer rod, the inner rods and the mounting brackets. Since it's a replacement, I *technically* I have to return the original one. By *technically* she means that she is going to put a note on my account
stating that all I have to return is the inner rods and the mounting brackets.
IOW, open the box, take out the 48" rod and send the rest back, on their dime.
She says that that is only way she can get me what I need to make this system work.
She also promised to pass my complaint up the food chain so that their buyers know that the system they offer doesn't work very well.
Caulk is easier "if" you start with a small bead, 1/8" max. Then a wet
Apparently it is pretty common to not caulk and just use shoe molding. >>>> The builder painted the same way in the picture and that has held up
very well for the past 12 years.
There are 2 genes that I wasn't born with:
The caulking gene and the drywall mudding gene. I hate those tasks
almost as much as I hate painting.
finger from a wet paper towel. Even then the 1/8" bead may be a bit
much as witnessed by your finger build while smoothing the bead. Don't
over work the bead.
But yes that becomes an art. Now for me it is a matter of learning to
not get caulk all over every where. The caulk does not absorb into the
paper towel so it is ready to transfer from the towel to everything
else. ;~)
OK, so I took your advice, bought a new tube of caulk, cut just the tiniest part of the tip off and used a very, very small bead. Huge difference! Thanks. I use a small bowl for finger dipping. That's always worked fine.
I did learn long ago about the paper towel issue. We use the half sheet
paper towels and then I cut a bunch of them in half again. Once I use a
small square to wipe up even the tiniest bit of caulk, I never use it again. That solves the transfer issue.
I have had to repair drywall where out Great Dane would pop holes in the
wall. She would get excited and spin in a circle and fall into the
wall. I got very good at doing the repairs including texturing. I
have never installed drywall, that stuff is too heavy.
I've installed lots of drywall, but I learned a long time ago to pay someone to mud it or get my son to do it if he's available. I've been told by the pros
that I do a damn good job of hanging it. It's the mudding that I've just never
figured out.
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On 2/22/2023 7:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:20:09 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
...snip...
Our present kitchen was considerably smaller. It
will be much larger as far as lower cabinet storage and counter space.
The builder gave us 5 drawers, 2 in the island and 3 smaller ones in
carious spots in the kitchen. The larger of those 3 was in the new
garbage reciptical unit. I added 6 drawers to the island, behind the
cabinet doors 11 years ago. With the new lower cabinets I am loosing the >> 3 small drawers to be replaced with 18 considerably larger drawers. And
we are gaining about 15' of counter space and 2/3's of that will be 36'
deep.
I've added drawers where I could in my kitchen. I also put drawers in all the lowers at my daughter's house. Lower cabinets have been used in kitchens for hundreds of years. Way back then, there were no drawers,Cost savings is why the builders only put in the top drawers. In more expensive new builds buyers can opt for cabinets with drawers over doors
just doors. I'm sure that when someone first said "Hey, let's put a row
of drawers right under the counter", the world was thrilled. What a great idea! I've always wondered why it took so long for us to realize that lower cabinet doors were the worst idea ever. I mean, how long has been - maybe 20 years (less?) since drawers in the lower cabinets became common?
What took us so long, considering that the top drawers were staring us in that face all that time, while we were crawling around on the floor looking for that wayward pot lid?
but that comes at a significant increase in cost.
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:38:10 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/22/2023 7:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:20:09 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Cost savings is why the builders only put in the top drawers. In more
...snip...
Our present kitchen was considerably smaller. It
will be much larger as far as lower cabinet storage and counter space. >>>> The builder gave us 5 drawers, 2 in the island and 3 smaller ones in
carious spots in the kitchen. The larger of those 3 was in the new
garbage reciptical unit. I added 6 drawers to the island, behind the
cabinet doors 11 years ago. With the new lower cabinets I am loosing the >>>> 3 small drawers to be replaced with 18 considerably larger drawers. And >>>> we are gaining about 15' of counter space and 2/3's of that will be 36' >>>> deep.
I've added drawers where I could in my kitchen. I also put drawers in all >>> the lowers at my daughter's house. Lower cabinets have been used in
kitchens for hundreds of years. Way back then, there were no drawers,
just doors. I'm sure that when someone first said "Hey, let's put a row
of drawers right under the counter", the world was thrilled. What a great >>> idea! I've always wondered why it took so long for us to realize that lower >>> cabinet doors were the worst idea ever. I mean, how long has been - maybe >>> 20 years (less?) since drawers in the lower cabinets became common?
What took us so long, considering that the top drawers were staring us in >>> that face all that time, while we were crawling around on the floor looking >>> for that wayward pot lid?
expensive new builds buyers can opt for cabinets with drawers over doors
but that comes at a significant increase in cost.
I get that, but AFAIK opting for drawers at a higher cost is a (relatively) modern
day thing.
I've never had a house built. In your estimation, how long ago did the option begin to be offered on a regular basis, in the general housing market? Today, I can walk into Home Depot and buy a drawer base cabinet right off the shelf. I don't recall when that started, but in the long-term history of base cabinets,
it's a relatively new thing.
I did a quick search on the "evolution" of the kitchen, and it seems that it hasn't
been much more than 30 years since drawers began to replace doors on a regular
basis. That's makes drawers essentially a newborn.
I recall my grandfather's house, which he built in the early 60's. (He was a mason).
His base cabinets had doors, but most of them had pull-out shelves using wood-on-
wood sliders. I consider those to be the pre-cursor to the drawers with sides and
drawer fronts like we have today.
I think my point is still valid. Even if the occasional drawer base cabinet appeared
in the 50's or 60's, it still took humans a very long time to realize what a huge
convenience they are.
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On 2/23/2023 11:27 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:38:10 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 2/22/2023 7:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 9:20:09 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Cost savings is why the builders only put in the top drawers. In more
...snip...
Our present kitchen was considerably smaller. It
will be much larger as far as lower cabinet storage and counter space. >>>> The builder gave us 5 drawers, 2 in the island and 3 smaller ones in >>>> carious spots in the kitchen. The larger of those 3 was in the new
garbage reciptical unit. I added 6 drawers to the island, behind the >>>> cabinet doors 11 years ago. With the new lower cabinets I am loosing the
3 small drawers to be replaced with 18 considerably larger drawers. And >>>> we are gaining about 15' of counter space and 2/3's of that will be 36' >>>> deep.
I've added drawers where I could in my kitchen. I also put drawers in all
the lowers at my daughter's house. Lower cabinets have been used in
kitchens for hundreds of years. Way back then, there were no drawers, >>> just doors. I'm sure that when someone first said "Hey, let's put a row >>> of drawers right under the counter", the world was thrilled. What a great
idea! I've always wondered why it took so long for us to realize that lower
cabinet doors were the worst idea ever. I mean, how long has been - maybe
20 years (less?) since drawers in the lower cabinets became common?
What took us so long, considering that the top drawers were staring us in
that face all that time, while we were crawling around on the floor looking
for that wayward pot lid?
expensive new builds buyers can opt for cabinets with drawers over doors >> but that comes at a significant increase in cost.
I get that, but AFAIK opting for drawers at a higher cost is a (relatively) modern
day thing.
I've never had a house built. In your estimation, how long ago did the optionWell I did day in the higher priced homes. Our first home, that we had
begin to be offered on a regular basis, in the general housing market? Today,
I can walk into Home Depot and buy a drawer base cabinet right off the shelf.
I don't recall when that started, but in the long-term history of base cabinets,
it's a relatively new thing.
built ibn 1980, was a starter home and there was no option. But
remodeled a kitchen in 1996 and put in drawers under the counter top
cook top. Our present home offered drawers had we wanted to pay a few thousand extra. That would have only been on our island cabinet. Our
bath room vanities have drawers top to bottom beside the plumbing. And
the home that we "were" going to build in Oct 2020 offered the
mulit-drawer cabinets. We were going to have a couple of those added,
it came with one as standard. And that was a few thousand dollars too.
The builder was offering $25K in upgrades so I was not reluctant to
do that. We did not even use up the whole $25K.
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I would say that the all drawer cabinets have been around for a few
decades down here. You can get much nicer cabinets, as an upgrade,
through the builders suppliers, when building a home.
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