Has anyone seen my Dremel?
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039- 7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that
room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I bought its replacement that I found the first one.
Puckdropper
Michael <michael...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039- 7b0a20...@googlegroups.com:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will
turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that
room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I bought its replacement that I found the first one.
Puckdropper
Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039- >7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will >turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that >didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that
room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I >bought its replacement that I found the first one.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting them to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once
again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 08:13:08 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039- >> 7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com:A friend lost a carpenter's square (how do you lose something that
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will
turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that >> didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that
room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I
bought its replacement that I found the first one.
large?). He found it when he demo'd the wall he built several years
before.
On 9/8/2021 7:27 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 08:13:08 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>I'm on my third folding pocket knife of the same make and model.
wrote:
Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039- >>> 7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com:A friend lost a carpenter's square (how do you lose something that
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will >>> turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that >>> didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that >>> room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I >>> bought its replacement that I found the first one.
large?). He found it when he demo'd the wall he built several years
before.
Had the original [perhaps] 30 years before losing it 10 or 12 years
back. Lost no. 2 three or four months ago and immediately went on
amazon and ordered another of the same make and model.
A week later I happened upon no. 2 laying in the grass apparently
having slipped out of the pocket of my shorts while on the zero-turn
mower. It appeared unscathed even though the regular lawn guys had no
doubt run over it during their regular weekly mowing. Perhaps more >surprising one of them didn't spot it and pocket it.
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:15:05 -0500, DaveInSoTex <DJMCB@att.net> wrote:
On 9/8/2021 7:27 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 08:13:08 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>I'm on my third folding pocket knife of the same make and model.
wrote:
Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039- >>>> 7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com:A friend lost a carpenter's square (how do you lose something that
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will >>>> turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that >>>> didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that >>>> room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I >>>> bought its replacement that I found the first one.
large?). He found it when he demo'd the wall he built several years
before.
Had the original [perhaps] 30 years before losing it 10 or 12 years
back. Lost no. 2 three or four months ago and immediately went on
amazon and ordered another of the same make and model.
A week later I happened upon no. 2 laying in the grass apparently
having slipped out of the pocket of my shorts while on the zero-turn
mower. It appeared unscathed even though the regular lawn guys had no
doubt run over it during their regular weekly mowing. Perhaps more
surprising one of them didn't spot it and pocket it.
I lost a whole socket set in a plastic case once. Spring came and the
snow melted and there it was right next to where I had been fixing the snowblower. Turns out it was none the worse for wear except that the
case was full of water (it was double walled and the water was between
the walls). Was a Harbor Frieght set--no rust or anything, which was
kind of surprising.
When I'm missing tools, I look under the hood of my car! ; )
On 9/10/2021 11:57 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:15:05 -0500, DaveInSoTex <DJMCB@att.net> wrote:
On 9/8/2021 7:27 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 08:13:08 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>I'm on my third folding pocket knife of the same make and model.
wrote:
Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039-A friend lost a carpenter's square (how do you lose something that
7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
I'm sorry, but the only way to find it is to go buy another one. It will >>>>> turn up as soon as it gets wind of being replaced.
I found a lost hammer once. For some reason it was in a utility room that
didn't have anything in it I'd need a hammer for. I had eliminated that >>>>> room as a possible location for it and it wasn't until some time after I >>>>> bought its replacement that I found the first one.
large?). He found it when he demo'd the wall he built several years
before.
Had the original [perhaps] 30 years before losing it 10 or 12 years
back. Lost no. 2 three or four months ago and immediately went on
amazon and ordered another of the same make and model.
A week later I happened upon no. 2 laying in the grass apparently
having slipped out of the pocket of my shorts while on the zero-turn
mower. It appeared unscathed even though the regular lawn guys had no
doubt run over it during their regular weekly mowing. Perhaps more
surprising one of them didn't spot it and pocket it.
I lost a whole socket set in a plastic case once. Spring came and the
snow melted and there it was right next to where I had been fixing the
snowblower. Turns out it was none the worse for wear except that the
case was full of water (it was double walled and the water was between
the walls). Was a Harbor Frieght set--no rust or anything, which was
kind of surprising.
When I'm missing tools, I look under the hood of my car! ; )
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:42:10 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
FOUND!!!
Behind a box of framing nails.
Sorry, no 1/2" socket adaptor back there.
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting them
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and put it towards building a better product!"
Why? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Happened recently with a large pet food etailer. We special ordered a prescription dog food for our senior and ailing pooch. He ended up crossing the rainbow bridge before we opened any of the cans. I contacted Chewy to find out the return protocol. TheyLater, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting them
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
Why? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that allThat's old school thinking.
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once
again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized >>> free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS >>> pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and >>> put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
That's old school thinking.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:43:35 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting them
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS
pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
Why? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that allThat's old school thinking.
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"Happened recently with a large pet food etailer. We special ordered a prescription dog
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
food for our senior and ailing pooch. He ended up crossing the rainbow bridge before
we opened any of the cans. I contacted Chewy to find out the return protocol. They
immediately offered to refund our money 100%, but requested that we donate the
food to a shelter or SPCA, which we gladly did. I now order our regular dog food from
them, even if not quite as cheap as Amazon. They earned me as a customer...
On 9/13/2021 5:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once >>> again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS >>> pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and >>> put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
That's old school thinking.Well that may be naive thinking.
Until there is a problem, they do need to see the issue.
After a while they may say keep it, we know there is a problem but at
the beginning of an issue they simply do not know.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to letSee above. At some point if there is a real issue they need to examine
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
the problem rather than just replace with another defect.
I have several Cabinet Master clamps. The early ones had an aluminum adjustable head. Those cracked in a relatively short time.
Jorgensen replaced it for no charge but wanted the broken one back.
Several months later this happened again. Same procedure.
About a year later 2 were cracked. The rep asked how many more I had, 8
is said. They shipped me the 8 new ones and did not want me to return
the broken or the unbroken ones.
All of the replacements were steel. No problems in the past 14 or so
years.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
BUT that was not a defect issue, you were simply not happy with your choice.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:37:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 5:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Well that may be naive thinking.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once >>>>> again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS >>>>> pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and >>>>> put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
That's old school thinking.
Until there is a problem, they do need to see the issue.
My post wasn't about the request to return the item. It was the fact that they offered
the most expensive return option along with the cheaper ones. Many vendors want
their items back before they will issue the refund. Relatively few offer the option to
have UPS pick it up for free. Typically, it's drop it off at Kohls, the UPS store or an
Amazon locker.
Paying UPS to *pick up* a $10 item certainly seems to make no economic sense. It's a cheap, plastic grabber. Do their engineers want it back so badly that they don't
want to risk the customer saying "Hey, it's only $10. I'm not driving to a drop off
location. I'll just toss it."?
After a while they may say keep it, we know there is a problem but at
the beginning of an issue they simply do not know.
See above. At some point if there is a real issue they need to examine
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
the problem rather than just replace with another defect.
See above. They offered 2 cheaper ways to get to it back. Why add the most expensive option also - on a $10 item?
I have several Cabinet Master clamps. The early ones had an aluminum
adjustable head. Those cracked in a relatively short time.
Jorgensen replaced it for no charge but wanted the broken one back.
Several months later this happened again. Same procedure.
About a year later 2 were cracked. The rep asked how many more I had, 8
is said. They shipped me the 8 new ones and did not want me to return
the broken or the unbroken ones.
All of the replacements were steel. No problems in the past 14 or so
years.
Apples and oranges. I'm going to guess that those clamps cost more than $10. I'm also going to guess that the vendor has more of a reputation to protect than
someone selling $10 POS grabbers on Amazon.
You're talking about a specialty tool that required some serious engineering and
has a relatively small targeted audience. Get it wrong and the company could be
out of business.
On 9/13/2021 9:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:37:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 5:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Well that may be naive thinking.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all >>>> the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once >>>>> again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS
pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
That's old school thinking.
Until there is a problem, they do need to see the issue.
My post wasn't about the request to return the item. It was the fact that they offeredI missed that part and yes that would be different.
the most expensive return option along with the cheaper ones. Many vendors want
their items back before they will issue the refund. Relatively few offer the option to
have UPS pick it up for free. Typically, it's drop it off at Kohls, the UPS store or an
Amazon locker.
Paying UPS to *pick up* a $10 item certainly seems to make no economic sense.I do, but that is only 3 miles away.
It's a cheap, plastic grabber. Do their engineers want it back so badly that they don't
want to risk the customer saying "Hey, it's only $10. I'm not driving to a drop off
location. I'll just toss it."?
After a while they may say keep it, we know there is a problem but at
the beginning of an issue they simply do not know.
See above. At some point if there is a real issue they need to examine
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
the problem rather than just replace with another defect.
See above. They offered 2 cheaper ways to get to it back. Why add the most expensive option also - on a $10 item?
I have several Cabinet Master clamps. The early ones had an aluminum
adjustable head. Those cracked in a relatively short time.
Jorgensen replaced it for no charge but wanted the broken one back.
Several months later this happened again. Same procedure.
About a year later 2 were cracked. The rep asked how many more I had, 8
is said. They shipped me the 8 new ones and did not want me to return
the broken or the unbroken ones.
All of the replacements were steel. No problems in the past 14 or so
years.
Apples and oranges. I'm going to guess that those clamps cost more than $10.Well not by much, I paid $17 each and the reason that I bought 2 and
I'm also going to guess that the vendor has more of a reputation to protect than
someone selling $10 POS grabbers on Amazon.
then a short time later 8 all at the same time.
You're talking about a specialty tool that required some serious engineering andNo, Bessey did the engineering, Jorgensen perfected it after switching
has a relatively small targeted audience. Get it wrong and the company could be
out of business.
to steel.
FWIW I went to a small WW show yesterday in Houston. I enjoyed the show. Apparently Bessey has again updated their KBody clamps. I could
personally see no difference. They said the bar was heavier.
They asked if I have Bessy Kbody clamps and if so how did I like them.
Well, they did ask... ;~)
I told them that I have 10 Cabinet Masters, 6 Jet K body style, and 7
Bessy Revo's.
They jumped in and asked asked how I liked the Besseys.
Well, again, they asked.
I answered, I reach for the older Cabinet Master's first, Jet's second,
and Bessey's as a last choice.
I hang my clamps on a clamp rack and all are beside each other with none blocking the access to another. So each clamp has an equal opportunity
of being grabbed. No clamp is easier to remove from the rack than the
other. All are very very easy to remove and replace.
Why in that order, they ask.
They kept asking!!!!
The Besseys are crotchety, you have to futz with the handle more than I
want to to get the it to slide open.
The leveling foot on the end of the bar is still stationary, it is
movable to most any spot on the bar on the Cabinet Master or the Jet.
The screw travel is way too short, I have at least double adjustment
length on the clamp screw of the Cabinet Master over the Bessey. Most
often I run out of screw travel trying to tighten the clamp before any pressure is applied. Then I have to unscrew completely work with the crotchety slide again to snug up to the work and try tightening again.
This almost always happens with the Bessey's.
Last I said that we all drop things, including clamps. I have dropped
most all of my clamps multiple times. The only ones that chip and have
broken plastic parts are the Bessey's.
Well we have a life time warranty, they say.
So does every one else, I say.
And finally the Show special. A box of 4 Bessey KBody's for only $330.
The boxes were about 4' long so none were long enough to be that
expensive.
Maybe it is just me but when I am doing a complicated glue up of a
cabinet the last thing I want to be doing is fiddling with a clamp to
get it open and adjusted to the right spot.
Michael <michael...@gmail.com> on Tue, 7 Sep 2021 19:42:07 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)Easy. I even managed to lose two pens and never got up from my
desk.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once
again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized >> > free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS >> > pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and >> > put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
That's old school thinking.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let >customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the >risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers" >chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com. >I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
On 9/13/2021 9:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:37:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 5:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>> On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Well that may be naive thinking.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all >>>>> the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once >>>>>> again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS >>>>>> pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
That's old school thinking.
Until there is a problem, they do need to see the issue.
My post wasn't about the request to return the item. It was the fact that they offered
the most expensive return option along with the cheaper ones. Many vendors want
their items back before they will issue the refund. Relatively few offer the option to
have UPS pick it up for free. Typically, it's drop it off at Kohls, the UPS store or an
Amazon locker.
I missed that part and yes that would be different.
Paying UPS to *pick up* a $10 item certainly seems to make no economic sense.
It's a cheap, plastic grabber. Do their engineers want it back so badly that they don't
want to risk the customer saying "Hey, it's only $10. I'm not driving to a drop off
location. I'll just toss it."?
I do, but that is only 3 miles away.
After a while they may say keep it, we know there is a problem but at
the beginning of an issue they simply do not know.
See above. At some point if there is a real issue they need to examine
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
the problem rather than just replace with another defect.
See above. They offered 2 cheaper ways to get to it back. Why add the most >> expensive option also - on a $10 item?
I have several Cabinet Master clamps. The early ones had an aluminum
adjustable head. Those cracked in a relatively short time.
Jorgensen replaced it for no charge but wanted the broken one back.
Several months later this happened again. Same procedure.
About a year later 2 were cracked. The rep asked how many more I had, 8
is said. They shipped me the 8 new ones and did not want me to return
the broken or the unbroken ones.
All of the replacements were steel. No problems in the past 14 or so
years.
Apples and oranges. I'm going to guess that those clamps cost more than $10. >> I'm also going to guess that the vendor has more of a reputation to protect than
someone selling $10 POS grabbers on Amazon.
Well not by much, I paid $17 each and the reason that I bought 2 and
then a short time later 8 all at the same time.
You're talking about a specialty tool that required some serious engineering and
has a relatively small targeted audience. Get it wrong and the company could be
out of business.
No, Bessey did the engineering, Jorgensen perfected it after switching
to steel.
FWIW I went to a small WW show yesterday in Houston. I enjoyed the show. >Apparently Bessey has again updated their KBody clamps. I could
personally see no difference. They said the bar was heavier.
They asked if I have Bessy Kbody clamps and if so how did I like them.
Well, they did ask... ;~)
I told them that I have 10 Cabinet Masters, 6 Jet K body style, and 7
Bessy Revo's.
They jumped in and asked asked how I liked the Besseys.
Well, again, they asked.
I answered, I reach for the older Cabinet Master's first, Jet's second,
and Bessey's as a last choice.
I hang my clamps on a clamp rack and all are beside each other with none >blocking the access to another. So each clamp has an equal opportunity
of being grabbed. No clamp is easier to remove from the rack than the
other. All are very very easy to remove and replace.
Why in that order, they ask.
They kept asking!!!!
The Besseys are crotchety, you have to futz with the handle more than I
want to to get the it to slide open.
The leveling foot on the end of the bar is still stationary, it is
movable to most any spot on the bar on the Cabinet Master or the Jet.
The screw travel is way too short, I have at least double adjustment
length on the clamp screw of the Cabinet Master over the Bessey. Most
often I run out of screw travel trying to tighten the clamp before any >pressure is applied. Then I have to unscrew completely work with the >crotchety slide again to snug up to the work and try tightening again.
This almost always happens with the Bessey's.
Last I said that we all drop things, including clamps. I have dropped
most all of my clamps multiple times. The only ones that chip and have >broken plastic parts are the Bessey's.
Well we have a life time warranty, they say.
So does every one else, I say.
And finally the Show special. A box of 4 Bessey KBody's for only $330.
The boxes were about 4' long so none were long enough to be that
expensive.
Maybe it is just me but when I am doing a complicated glue up of a
cabinet the last thing I want to be doing is fiddling with a clamp to
get it open and adjusted to the right spot.
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:43:35 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:They immediately offered to refund our money 100%, but requested that we donate the food to a shelter or SPCA, which we gladly did. I now order our regular dog food from them, even if not quite as cheap as Amazon. They earned me as a customer...
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:Happened recently with a large pet food etailer. We special ordered a prescription dog food for our senior and ailing pooch. He ended up crossing the rainbow bridge before we opened any of the cans. I contacted Chewy to find out the return protocol.
On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:That's old school thinking.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once >> > > again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS >> > > pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Brian WelchThey immediately offered to refund our money 100%, but requested that we donate the food to a shelter or SPCA, which we gladly did. I now order our regular dog food from them, even if not quite as cheap as Amazon. They earned me as a customer...
<bnw...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:43:35 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> > On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Happened recently with a large pet food etailer. We special ordered a prescription dog food for our senior and ailing pooch. He ended up crossing the rainbow bridge before we opened any of the cans. I contacted Chewy to find out the return protocol.
That's old school thinking.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once
again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS
pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
Chewy is very good. The only problem I've had with them is the level
of "spam" (in quotes because I deal with them so it's not really
spam). They rival Rockler in the quantity of e-adverts.
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
"Michael" wrote in message news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039-7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com...
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Well... I've done renovations on several houses and have found a hammer,
tape measure, screw driver, chisel, and utility knife in the walls or
block foundations... you could try looking there. ;~)
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 9:35:39 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:They immediately offered to refund our money 100%, but requested that we donate the food to a shelter or SPCA, which we gladly did. I now order our regular dog food from them, even if not quite as cheap as Amazon. They earned me as a customer...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:19:18 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
<bnw...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:43:35 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 10:13:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >> > On 9/8/2021 5:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Happened recently with a large pet food etailer. We special ordered a prescription dog food for our senior and ailing pooch. He ended up crossing the rainbow bridge before we opened any of the cans. I contacted Chewy to find out the return protocol.
That's old school thinking.
Later, as I was clicking the "Return" buttons on Amazon, fully expecting themWhy? Because it is cheaper than the alternative. If they do that all
to refund my $10 and say keep the broken grabber, I got surprised once
again. Not only did they want the broken grabber back, but they authorized
free pick-up by UPS. For a broken $10 piece of crap. WTF!
I wanted to contact the vendor and say "Hey - why are you paying for UPS
pick-up on a $10 item that you can't even sell again? Save your money and
put it towards building a better product!"
the time they will suddenly get 50 calls about a broken grabber.
Big retailers have the numbers and know that in many cases it's cheaper to let
customers keep inexpensive items than require the item back. They've done the
risk benefit benefit analysis and are willing to take the "50 broken grabbers"
chance.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-walmart-returns-refund/
I've had Amazon, Target and other retailers refund my money and not require the
item back. One example: I've bought a $30 set of cereal bowls from target.com.
I wanted to return them because I didn't the look once I saw them in person. When
I called to get the authorization to return them, they refunded my money and said
keep the bowls. It's getting more and more common.
Even if this particular vendor wanted the item back to prevent a rush of false "broken"
claims, they could have stopped at the first 2 return options on their list: Drop off at
Kohls or drop off at UPS. Those are Amazon's most common options, although "drop
off at an Amazon locker" is often an option. IOW, if the customer wants his money back,
he'll have to do a little work. However, for the vendor to pay for UPS to pick up a $10
item at the residence doesn't seem to make economic sense, especially when cheaper
ways to get the item back are readily available.
Chewy is very good. The only problem I've had with them is the level
of "spam" (in quotes because I deal with them so it's not really
spam). They rival Rockler in the quantity of e-adverts.
That's why I have an email address that's only used for vendors and other such >spam-ish generators. e.g. I use it for Chewy but only check for emails from them
when I've ordered something.
Everything else is ignored.
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
24 more inches of steel $35?
On 9/14/2021 4:09 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael"� wrote in message
news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039-7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com...
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Well... I've done renovations on several houses and have found a hammer,
tape measure, screw driver, chisel, and utility knife in the walls or
block foundations... you could try looking there. ;~)
You failed to mention that stack of 100's you found. ;~)
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
24 more inches of steel $35?
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 11:45:28 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Michael <michael...@gmail.com> on Tue, 7 Sep 2021 19:42:07 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?Easy. I even managed to lose two pens and never got up from my
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
desk.
On a similar subject, of all the pens you have purchased or obtained
over lo these many years, how many were direct replacements because
your current pens actually ran out of ink?
I've purchased/obtained probably thousands of pens but it never seems
that very many run out of ink before they simply disappear.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I suspect there is an element of "the clampy bit" costs $X and the "bar" cost N a foot + plus a cutting fee. Don't forget to factor in
the "shipping and handling" - longer clamps take more space to make,
ship, store, etc, - you get to pay for that too.
Sort of like U-haul - 30 bucks a day plus 1.40 per mile.
Add in the demand for a particular length and longer clamps become "specialty" items.
On 9/15/2021 11:15 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
24 more inches of steel $35?
If you price it, they will come. A $75 clamp is obviously better than
a $35 clamp. Just ask Seagrams.
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> writes:
On 9/15/2021 11:15 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is >>>> 24 more inches of steel $35?
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
Anyone who's priced galvanized iron pipe fittings recently is familiar
with the fact that the price of steel increased by 50% this year. It's
down a bit, but still significantly higher than it was in 2019/2020.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/steel#stats
Click on stats tab.
On 9/15/2021 8:30 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
In a nutshell, it's what the market will bare.
On 9/15/2021 8:30 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
In a nutshell, it's what the market will bare.I think you mean BEAR
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:When I need big-assed clamps I use pipe clamps - I can make them any
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> writes:I needed a cpoule 1/4 inch NPT nipples a few months ago - black pipe
On 9/15/2021 11:15 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is >>>> 24 more inches of steel $35?
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
Anyone who's priced galvanized iron pipe fittings recently is familiar
with the fact that the price of steel increased by 50% this year. It's
down a bit, but still significantly higher than it was in 2019/2020.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/steel#stats
Click on stats tab.
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:16 -0700My ball points usually "dry out" before they "run out". The balls
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 11:45:28 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote: >>> Michael <michael...@gmail.com> on Tue, 7 Sep 2021 19:42:07 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?Easy. I even managed to lose two pens and never got up from my
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
desk.
On a similar subject, of all the pens you have purchased or obtained
over lo these many years, how many were direct replacements because
your current pens actually ran out of ink?
I've been using fountain pens since the 7th grade. Eye droppers or
syringes for refilling the cartridges.
So when I lose a pen, it is gone. Although, on occasion a lost
pen has been found when I move furniture. I suspect it will get worse
again now that we have cats.
I've purchased/obtained probably thousands of pens but it never seems
that very many run out of ink before they simply disappear.
I'm moving, "Oh look, a collection of markers, dry erase, ball
points, etc. Do they work? If not, "Toss."
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:43:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 9/15/2021 8:30 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I think you mean BEAR
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is >>>> 24 more inches of steel $35?
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
In a nutshell, it's what the market will bare.
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:When I need big-assed clamps I use pipe clamps - I can make them any
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
length I need them. They aren't as fancy as Bessy clamps but they do
the job
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:15:39 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:26:16 -0700My ball points usually "dry out" before they "run out". The balls
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 11:45:28 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote: >>>> Michael <michael...@gmail.com> on Tue, 7 Sep 2021 19:42:07 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Has anyone seen my Dremel?Easy. I even managed to lose two pens and never got up from my
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
desk.
On a similar subject, of all the pens you have purchased or obtained
over lo these many years, how many were direct replacements because
your current pens actually ran out of ink?
I've been using fountain pens since the 7th grade. Eye droppers or >>syringes for refilling the cartridges.
So when I lose a pen, it is gone. Although, on occasion a lost
pen has been found when I move furniture. I suspect it will get worse >>again now that we have cats.
I've purchased/obtained probably thousands of pens but it never seems >>>that very many run out of ink before they simply disappear.
I'm moving, "Oh look, a collection of markers, dry erase, ball >>points, etc. Do they work? If not, "Toss."
just stop turning. Sometimes soaking the tip in OPA dixes them for a
while - or heating the tip of brass ones (you DO remember those,
right?) with a match or lighter.
It HAS been years though since I had one spring a leak in my shirt
pocket - or since I wore a "pocket protector" (Yes, I was a "nerd")
On 9/14/2021 4:09 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039-7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com...
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Well... I've done renovations on several houses and have found a hammer,
tape measure, screw driver, chisel, and utility knife in the walls or
block foundations... you could try looking there. ;~)
You failed to mention that stack of 100's you found. ;~)
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:When I need big-assed clamps I use pipe clamps - I can make them any length I need them. They aren't as fancy as Bessy clamps but they do
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
the job
"Leon" wrote in message news:Wr2dnZiU1s9IgNz8nZ2dnUU7-XGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
On 9/14/2021 4:09 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
news:8922c356-552a-45d9-8039-7b0a2014e3c9n@googlegroups.com...
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Well... I've done renovations on several houses and have found a
hammer, tape measure, screw driver, chisel, and utility knife in the
walls or block foundations... you could try looking there. ;~)
You failed to mention that stack of 100's you found. ;~)
I didn't find that in a house though... found it laying on the side of
the road while riding my bicycle from FL to NY. $450... helped finance
the trip!
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:43:43 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 9/15/2021 8:30 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I think you mean BEAR
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is >>>> 24 more inches of steel $35?
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I think you really do understand it.
It's less about the price of the material and more about the fact
that you are entering into "specialty tool" category. I'd wager that
the number of people who own 48" clamps is a small subset of
those that own clamps in general.
Even the casual woodworker has a bunch of small clamps, with
24" (maybe 36") being the largest they own. I went for many years
never needing anything longer than 36". Now I have two 55" Bessy's
but they don't get used very often. (I do have a project coming up
where I'll need them.)
"Oh, you're a serious woodworker? You build big stuff? Maybe even
make money on what you build? OK, if you want 48" clamps, it's
going to cost you."
In a nutshell, it's what the market will bare.
Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
I think you mean BEAR
About 20 years ago, a barmaid was telling us that that weekend she was
going, with her boyfriend, hunting bear. I said that I wanted to see
that. She got huffy and got her feminist dander up. "What, don't you
think I can hunt bear?" I replied, that I just wanted to see her
hunting bare. She got pissed. About ten minutes later, after
everyone had fallen off their barstools a few times, I told her that
there was more than one way to spell "bare/bear". She wasn't amused,
at least for a few seconds until she realized that she'd been had.
On 9/16/2021 10:23 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
news:Wr2dnZiU1s9IgNz8...@giganews.com...
On 9/14/2021 4:09 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
news:8922c356-552a-45d9...@googlegroups.com...
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Well... I've done renovations on several houses and have found a
hammer, tape measure, screw driver, chisel, and utility knife in the
walls or block foundations... you could try looking there. ;~)
You failed to mention that stack of 100's you found. ;~)
I didn't find that in a house though... found it laying on the side of
the road while riding my bicycle from FL to NY. $450... helped finance
the trip!
Wow! the most I have found laying on the ground is $5.
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 9/16/2021 10:23 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Leon" wrote in messageWow! the most I have found laying on the ground is $5.
news:Wr2dnZiU1s9IgNz8...@giganews.com...
On 9/14/2021 4:09 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
news:8922c356-552a-45d9...@googlegroups.com...
Has anyone seen my Dremel?
(How is it possible to lose a tool?)
Well... I've done renovations on several houses and have found a
hammer, tape measure, screw driver, chisel, and utility knife in the
walls or block foundations... you could try looking there. ;~)
You failed to mention that stack of 100's you found. ;~)
I didn't find that in a house though... found it laying on the side of
the road while riding my bicycle from FL to NY. $450... helped finance
the trip!
My best was a $100 bill lying on the grass at a flea market. Hundreds
of people walking around. I just looked down and there it was, right in
the middle of a main walkway.
On 9/16/2021 10:23 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
You failed to mention that stack of 100's you found. ;~)
I didn't find that in a house though... found it laying on the side of
the road while riding my bicycle from FL to NY. $450... helped finance
the trip!
Wow! the most I have found laying on the ground is $5.
I always try to find its owner. If they can tell me the serial
number, it's theirs. ;-)
I always try to find its owner. If they can tell me the serial
number, it's theirs. ;-)
On 9/15/2021 11:15 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
24 more inches of steel $35?
I suspect there is an element of "the clampy bit" costs $X and the
"bar" cost N a foot + plus a cutting fee. Don't forget to factor in
the "shipping and handling" - longer clamps take more space to make,
ship, store, etc, - you get to pay for that too.
Sort of like U-haul - 30 bucks a day plus 1.40 per mile.
Add in the demand for a particular length and longer clamps become
"specialty" items.
A clamp you buy at Rockler is already a "specialty item".
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:24:29 -0400 typed in >rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/15/2021 11:15 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is >>>> 24 more inches of steel $35?
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I
bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I suspect there is an element of "the clampy bit" costs $X and the
"bar" cost N a foot + plus a cutting fee. Don't forget to factor in
the "shipping and handling" - longer clamps take more space to make,
ship, store, etc, - you get to pay for that too.
Sort of like U-haul - 30 bucks a day plus 1.40 per mile.
Add in the demand for a particular length and longer clamps become
"specialty" items.
A clamp you buy at Rockler is already a "specialty item".
This is true. I suspect there is still a "Clamp body" + bar (inch)
+ cutting charge, + S&H, plus the "Name Brand Premium".
It is like many things, you can get one for X dollars, but add-on
"RV", "Aircraft", "Marine", Medical, etc, and the price goes way up.
krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:t3o7kgtv63epl74h0ont9gvfo07cvvs1pk@4ax.com:
I always try to find its owner. If they can tell me the serial
number, it's theirs. ;-)
I'm a very clumsy rich man, you see. I've lost hundreds of thousands of
$100 bills. Let me send you a list of serial numbers to see if it might be >one of them. :)
On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 07:51:46 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:24:29 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/15/2021 11:15 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:09:00 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 9/13/2021 8:40 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:22:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Snip
I do not understand a 24" clamp costing about $40. a 48" Clamp $75. Is >>>>> 24 more inches of steel $35?
Bessey's parallel jaw clamps have gotten ridiculously expensive. I >>>>>> bought mine for $25-$40 at the BORG ten years ago. Fortunately I
bought all I needed (I was going to say more than but...).
I suspect there is an element of "the clampy bit" costs $X and the
"bar" cost N a foot + plus a cutting fee. Don't forget to factor in
the "shipping and handling" - longer clamps take more space to make,
ship, store, etc, - you get to pay for that too.
Sort of like U-haul - 30 bucks a day plus 1.40 per mile.
Add in the demand for a particular length and longer clamps become
"specialty" items.
A clamp you buy at Rockler is already a "specialty item".
This is true. I suspect there is still a "Clamp body" + bar (inch)
+ cutting charge, + S&H, plus the "Name Brand Premium".
It is like many things, you can get one for X dollars, but add-on
"RV", "Aircraft", "Marine", Medical, etc, and the price goes way up.
Be sure you're comparing apples to apples. Bessey's current line
includes a "K Body" and a "K Body Junior" which look very similar, but
the Junior are cheaper and rated for about half the clamping force.
At Home Despot a 24" K is 50.37 and a 50" is 62.97. The difference
isn't unreasonable. There's a 24" "Junior" that's 37.99 and a 50"
Junior at 47.99.
Lowes really needs to replace their Web developer. Searched for
"clamps" and their site told me that there was no such thing, did I
want to search for "clasps". Then I reloaded the page and this time
it found "clamps".
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