• Re: Grizzly 8" Jointer For sale in Dallas TX $600

    From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 16:01:44 2022
    Do you still have the grizzly jointer?

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Andrew on Tue Nov 1 16:57:57 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:01:48 AM UTC-5, Andrew wrote:
    Do you still have the grizzly jointer?

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    The original post is 17 years old.

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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to wrober...@gmail.com on Wed Nov 2 14:19:06 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:01:48 AM UTC-5, Andrew wrote:
    Do you still have the grizzly jointer?

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    The original post is 17 years old.

    I know the original post is 17 years old. But that is sort of irrelevant to the conversation. Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?), 8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at the time was $6-800 or so. Not sure how
    old the for sale jointer was. Probably just a few years at most. So the seller was trying to get 75% or more of new price for a used, out of warranty(?) jointer.

    Today, Grizzly is selling its 8" jointers for:
    Grizzly G0947 - 8" Benchtop Jointer with Spiral-Type Cutterhead $425
    Grizzly G0855 - 8" x 72" Jointer with Built-in Mobile Base $1,345
    Grizzly G0857 - 8" x 76" Parallelogram Jointer with Mobile Base $1,795
    Grizzly G0490X - 8" x 76" Jointer with Parallelogram Beds and Spiral Cutterhead $1,995
    Grizzly G0856 - 8" x 72" Jointer with Helical Cutterhead & Mobile Base $2,045 Grizzly G0656X - 8" x 72" Jointer with Spiral Cutterhead $2,115

    I am going to assume 17 years ago the jointer for sale was similar to the $1345 or maybe the $1795 jointers. Almost certainly the $1345 one. Straight blades since the helical ones now desired had hardly been invented at the time.

    Personally, I think trying or expecting to get 75% or more of new price for a used Grizzly was too optimistic even 17 years ago. Grizzly is known for selling based on price. Not top quality or newest innovation. And today we still have the Covid
    supply side shortages. So used is holding its price because of limited new supply. But that is easing.

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodworking equipment? Big equipment, not handheld tools. I know brand name is applicable. Lets say its Delta or Powermatic or General back when they were known as the mainstays. And
    its older technology. All mechanical. So no electronic scales or positioner or finger saving or LED lights. And straight cutters instead of spiral helical.

    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold? If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago? Look for an eBay sale and calculate your
    percentages in hindsight?

    I know where you are located is also very important. If you are located on the North Dakota Canada border, you don't really have many potential customers within a two day drive. But if you are near Washington DC, you have millions of people in NYC,
    Philly, Newark, Baltimore, Virginia, all within a few hours of you.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Wed Nov 2 17:35:21 2022
    On 11/2/2022 5:19 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodworking equipment? Big equipment, not handheld tools. I know brand name is applicable. Lets say its Delta or Powermatic or General back when they were known as the mainstays.
    And its older technology. All mechanical. So no electronic scales or positioner or finger saving or LED lights. And straight cutters instead of spiral helical.


    I've seen some heavy machinery (I am thinking of old metal lathes, and equipment) basically available for your cost of moving it. But anything
    on Craigslist will be overpriced! : )



    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago? Look for an eBay
    sale and calculate your percentages in hindsight?


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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 17:41:09 2022
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork= >>ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.


    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Wed Nov 2 21:29:21 2022
    "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork= >ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Bill on Thu Nov 3 01:06:37 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 11/2/2022 5:19 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodworking equipment? Big equipment, not handheld tools. I know brand name is applicable. Lets say its Delta or Powermatic or General back when they were known as the mainstays. And
    its older technology. All mechanical. So no electronic scales or positioner or finger saving or LED lights. And straight cutters instead of spiral helical.
    I've seen some heavy machinery (I am thinking of old metal lathes, and equipment) basically available for your cost of moving it. But anything
    on Craigslist will be overpriced! : )

    Yes. I have seen 1950s era metal working lathes that are 10 feet long and 5 tons being sold for essentially scrap steel prices. But I am talking about woodworking machines used and owned by people and kept in their garage or basement. The typical
    recreational woodworker machines and tools. Stuff you can go to your local woodworking store and see on the floor and buy.

    As for your comment about Craigslist, that is why I am asking this question. You assume its overpriced if its on Craigslist. But what is the correct price then? If the Craigslist person had some better rules or guides, then maybe they could list it at
    the right price instead of overpriced.




    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago? Look for an eBay
    sale and calculate your percentages in hindsight?


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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Thu Nov 3 00:57:18 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork=
    ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

    I am not happy with Scott Lurndal's response. How would the seller and buyer even agree if they did not meet or communicate with each other? Usually when selling things, the seller offers an item for a price. And then the buyer contacts the seller to
    purchase it at the asking price or negotiate a price. But if the seller asks $1 million dollars, then I doubt the potential buyer would even bother to contact the seller. So how would they ever agree on a price? Most buying, selling, negotiating has
    to start somewhere. So a price needs to be chosen in the beginning to even have the buyer and seller talk so they can reach an agreement.

    So my question is "what is the starting price"?

    Yes I know there are many variables involved. Brand, age, type of equipment, etc, etc, etc. Is there a general set of rules to start with? And I did give some parameters before. Mainstay brand, Delta, Powermatic, bigger main shop equipment such as
    tablesaw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, and 30 years old I will add. Back when everything was mechanical and really unchanged from the way things were 10-20-30-40 years before that.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Thu Nov 3 10:30:18 2022
    On 11/3/2022 4:06 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
    On 11/2/2022 5:19 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodworking equipment? Big equipment, not handheld tools. I know brand name is applicable. Lets say its Delta or Powermatic or General back when they were known as the mainstays. And
    its older technology. All mechanical. So no electronic scales or positioner or finger saving or LED lights. And straight cutters instead of spiral helical.
    I've seen some heavy machinery (I am thinking of old metal lathes, and
    equipment) basically available for your cost of moving it. But anything
    on Craigslist will be overpriced! : )

    Yes. I have seen 1950s era metal working lathes that are 10 feet long and 5 tons being sold for essentially scrap steel prices. But I am talking about woodworking machines used and owned by people and kept in their garage or basement. The typical
    recreational woodworker machines and tools. Stuff you can go to your local woodworking store and see on the floor and buy.

    As for your comment about Craigslist, that is why I am asking this question. You assume its overpriced if its on Craigslist. But what is the correct price then? If the Craigslist person had some better rules or guides, then maybe they could list it
    at the right price instead of overpriced.


    Do you watch the stock market at all? ROKU is down 15% to from 54 to 46
    today since YESTERDAY--Down from 490 (!) in July 2021. If you can
    explain to me why it is down MORE THAN 90% since then, then you will
    have the answer to your question in the palm of your hand! ; )

    And, what I described above occurred in a "liquid market".
    If you worked in a factory building a certain brand of machinery, it may
    be worth more to you than someone who worked in a competing factory.
    The old machinery you are interested in often goes for more far away
    from big industrial cities, such as Chicago, as it is more scarce away
    from Chicago.

    It is often said that no one knows the value of a product more than the
    seller, but that is just a rule of thumb. What I've written here is
    clearly just the "tip of the iceberg", but I hope that it helps.

    One last thought--"How many different versions of "Kelly's Blue Book"
    for autos are there? One for buyers, one for sellers, et cetera. Ask
    someone who used to work in a dealership, or similar, about the value of
    a car! %-)

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to ritzannaseaton@gmail.com on Thu Nov 3 13:14:21 2022
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 00:57:18 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork=
    ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

    I am not happy with Scott Lurndal's response. How would the seller and buyer even agree if they did not meet or communicate with each other? Usually when selling things, the seller offers an item for a price. And then the buyer contacts the seller to
    purchase it at the asking price or negotiate a price. But if the seller asks $1 million dollars, then I doubt the potential buyer would even bother to contact the seller. So how would they ever agree on a price? Most buying, selling, negotiating has
    to start somewhere. So a price needs to be chosen in the beginning to even have the buyer and seller talk so they can reach an agreement.

    No, in every sale the buyer and seller agree on the price. That's the definition of capitalism. It's why it's the best system ever
    invented. Both the buyer and seller are happy.

    If the seller asks for $1M and the seller will only pay $1, neither is
    happy and the sale doesn't happen. If the seller is asking $1 and the
    buyer was willing to pay $1M, the sale happens and, once again,
    everyone is happy. No negotiation is required.

    I don't negotiate for a Big Mac. I pay what the seller is asking, we
    exchange my $20 for his Big Mac and we both walk away happy.

    So my question is "what is the starting price"?

    That's an entirely different question. Selling a house, you find a
    "comp" and use that as a guide. If you can't find a "comp", you're
    pretty well lost. You haven't got a good way to price the house. The
    buyer is in the same pickle. That's exactly the situation you're in
    now. It doesn't mean that it's not worth exactly what someone is
    willing to pay. That 'is the definition of "worth".

    Yes I know there are many variables involved. Brand, age, type of equipment, etc, etc, etc. Is there a general set of rules to start with? And I did give some parameters before. Mainstay brand, Delta, Powermatic, bigger main shop equipment such as
    tablesaw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, and 30 years old I will add. Back when everything was mechanical and really unchanged from the way things were 10-20-30-40 years before that.

    Look for a "comp". If you can't find one, guess and see if anyone
    bites. If not, you guessed too high. If someone snatches it up, you
    both walk away happy because you got what you wanted for it and he got
    it for what he was willing to pay. It's "worth" has been established.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Thu Nov 3 20:15:20 2022
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 1:14:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 00:57:18 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork=
    ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

    I am not happy with Scott Lurndal's response. How would the seller and buyer even agree if they did not meet or communicate with each other? Usually when selling things, the seller offers an item for a price. And then the buyer contacts the seller to
    purchase it at the asking price or negotiate a price. But if the seller asks $1 million dollars, then I doubt the potential buyer would even bother to contact the seller. So how would they ever agree on a price? Most buying, selling, negotiating has to
    start somewhere. So a price needs to be chosen in the beginning to even have the buyer and seller talk so they can reach an agreement.
    No, in every sale the buyer and seller agree on the price. That's the definition of capitalism. It's why it's the best system ever
    invented. Both the buyer and seller are happy.

    Not always. Just because they "agree" on a price, it doesn't mean that
    both sides of the party are happy.

    Sometimes the seller has to sell at a price that makes him unhappy
    because no one is willing to pay his happy price. He won't be happy
    if he doesn't sell it either, so he sells it at a lower price and is unhappy.

    Sometimes a buyer has to pay a price that makes him unhappy because availability is limited. Sometimes he just doesn't want to spend what the going price is regardless of availability, but he needs what is being sold.

    There are other combinations/situations where one or the other party might
    not be happy even after a price has been agreed upon.

    Are both sides happy over at that tweet company? ;-)


    If the seller asks for $1M and the seller will only pay $1, neither is
    happy and the sale doesn't happen. If the seller is asking $1 and the
    buyer was willing to pay $1M, the sale happens and, once again,
    everyone is happy. No negotiation is required.

    I don't negotiate for a Big Mac. I pay what the seller is asking, we exchange my $20 for his Big Mac and we both walk away happy.
    So my question is "what is the starting price"?
    That's an entirely different question. Selling a house, you find a
    "comp" and use that as a guide. If you can't find a "comp", you're
    pretty well lost. You haven't got a good way to price the house. The
    buyer is in the same pickle. That's exactly the situation you're in
    now. It doesn't mean that it's not worth exactly what someone is
    willing to pay. That 'is the definition of "worth".
    Yes I know there are many variables involved. Brand, age, type of equipment, etc, etc, etc. Is there a general set of rules to start with? And I did give some parameters before. Mainstay brand, Delta, Powermatic, bigger main shop equipment such as
    tablesaw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, and 30 years old I will add. Back when everything was mechanical and really unchanged from the way things were 10-20-30-40 years before that.
    Look for a "comp". If you can't find one, guess and see if anyone
    bites. If not, you guessed too high. If someone snatches it up, you
    both walk away happy because you got what you wanted for it and he got
    it for what he was willing to pay. It's "worth" has been established.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Nov 4 13:27:01 2022
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 1:14:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 00:57:18 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork=
    ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

    I am not happy with Scott Lurndal's response. How would the seller and buyer even agree if they did not meet or communicate with each other? Usually when selling things, the seller offers an item for a price. And then the buyer contacts the seller to
    purchase it at the asking price or negotiate a price. But if the seller asks $1 million dollars, then I doubt the potential buyer would even bother to contact the seller. So how would they ever agree on a price? Most buying, selling, negotiating has to
    start somewhere. So a price needs to be chosen in the beginning to even have the buyer and seller talk so they can reach an agreement.
    No, in every sale the buyer and seller agree on the price. That's the
    definition of capitalism. It's why it's the best system ever
    invented. Both the buyer and seller are happy.

    Not always. Just because they "agree" on a price, it doesn't mean that
    both sides of the party are happy.

    Is someone forced into the transaction?

    Sometimes the seller has to sell at a price that makes him unhappy
    because no one is willing to pay his happy price. He won't be happy
    if he doesn't sell it either, so he sells it at a lower price and is unhappy.

    If he weren't happy with the transaction he wouldn't make it. He may
    not be happy with the situation that forced the issue,

    Sometimes a buyer has to pay a price that makes him unhappy because >availability is limited. Sometimes he just doesn't want to spend what the >going price is regardless of availability, but he needs what is being sold.

    There are other combinations/situations where one or the other party might >not be happy even after a price has been agreed upon.

    Are both sides happy over at that tweet company? ;-)

    Yes, in fact they are. ...it wouldn't have closed. If I were paid
    last year's price for my stock portfolio today, you bet I'd be happy.
    The other side gets the control he desires at the price it was worth
    to him.

    If the seller asks for $1M and the seller will only pay $1, neither is
    happy and the sale doesn't happen. If the seller is asking $1 and the
    buyer was willing to pay $1M, the sale happens and, once again,
    everyone is happy. No negotiation is required.

    I don't negotiate for a Big Mac. I pay what the seller is asking, we
    exchange my $20 for his Big Mac and we both walk away happy.
    So my question is "what is the starting price"?
    That's an entirely different question. Selling a house, you find a
    "comp" and use that as a guide. If you can't find a "comp", you're
    pretty well lost. You haven't got a good way to price the house. The
    buyer is in the same pickle. That's exactly the situation you're in
    now. It doesn't mean that it's not worth exactly what someone is
    willing to pay. That 'is the definition of "worth".
    Yes I know there are many variables involved. Brand, age, type of equipment, etc, etc, etc. Is there a general set of rules to start with? And I did give some parameters before. Mainstay brand, Delta, Powermatic, bigger main shop equipment such as
    tablesaw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, and 30 years old I will add. Back when everything was mechanical and really unchanged from the way things were 10-20-30-40 years before that.
    Look for a "comp". If you can't find one, guess and see if anyone
    bites. If not, you guessed too high. If someone snatches it up, you
    both walk away happy because you got what you wanted for it and he got
    it for what he was willing to pay. It's "worth" has been established.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 4 17:15:47 2022
    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Fri Nov 4 22:35:25 2022
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 1:14:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 00:57:18 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >> >> wrote:
    "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork=
    ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

    I am not happy with Scott Lurndal's response. How would the seller and buyer even agree if they did not meet or communicate with each other? Usually when selling things, the seller offers an item for a price. And then the buyer contacts the seller
    to purchase it at the asking price or negotiate a price. But if the seller asks $1 million dollars, then I doubt the potential buyer would even bother to contact the seller. So how would they ever agree on a price? Most buying, selling, negotiating has
    to start somewhere. So a price needs to be chosen in the beginning to even have the buyer and seller talk so they can reach an agreement.
    No, in every sale the buyer and seller agree on the price. That's the
    definition of capitalism. It's why it's the best system ever
    invented. Both the buyer and seller are happy.

    Not always. Just because they "agree" on a price, it doesn't mean that >both sides of the party are happy.
    Is someone forced into the transaction?

    Maybe, maybe not. Doesn’t matter.

    I’m sure you’ve made choices in life that didn’t make you happy that
    you weren’t “forced” into making. You settled. Lessor of two evils, that sort of thing. Compromises don’t always end with both parties saying “I’m happy with that solution.” Neither do all buy/sell transactions.

    Sometimes the seller has to sell at a price that makes him unhappy
    because no one is willing to pay his happy price. He won't be happy
    if he doesn't sell it either, so he sells it at a lower price and is unhappy.
    If he weren't happy with the transaction he wouldn't make it.

    Gotta call BS on that one. Sometimes we choose to settle.

    I have an extra snowblower. I’m not going to get what I want for it, but I’d rather not have it taking up space in my garage. I’m not forced to sell it either, but I’m choosing to not have it take up room in my garage. (not forced, choosing) I won’t be happy with the price I’ll get, but I will
    either sell it for less than I’ll be happy about or I’ll donate it. That won’t
    make me happy either, but it’ll make me less unhappy than selling it to
    some cheap bastard. I’ll accept a reasonable price, but I won’t get my happy price.

    He may
    not be happy with the situation that forced the issue,
    Sometimes a buyer has to pay a price that makes him unhappy because >availability is limited. Sometimes he just doesn't want to spend what the >going price is regardless of availability, but he needs what is being sold.

    There are other combinations/situations where one or the other party might >not be happy even after a price has been agreed upon.

    Are both sides happy over at that tweet company? ;-)
    Yes, in fact they are. ...it wouldn't have closed.

    Gotta call BS on that one too. Just about every employee was paid some
    portion of their salary in stock, making them partial owners. Some of them
    may have voted for the deal, but many of them didn’t. ~3700 of the ~7500 partial owners were laid off today. Even if they voted for the deal, they aren’t
    very happy today, and they probably weren’t happy the day the deal closed because they were already worried about losing their jobs.

    One guy was attending a meeting via conference call when his line went dead. Laid off by disconnect. My guess? Not happy.

    If I were paid
    last year's price for my stock portfolio today, you bet I'd be happy.

    Even if it cost you your job?

    The other side gets the control he desires at the price it was worth
    to him.

    You do know that he tried to back out of the deal, right? He’s complained for months that the price was too high. He only changed his mind to avoid
    a trial that he was expected to lose and immediately started gutting the company in an effort to save money.

    Major advertisers have already paused spending on Twitter and Musk is
    bitching that anyone advising companies to stop advertising is trying
    to stifle free speech.

    You really think he’s “happy” right now? Read his tweets.


    If the seller asks for $1M and the seller will only pay $1, neither is
    happy and the sale doesn't happen. If the seller is asking $1 and the
    buyer was willing to pay $1M, the sale happens and, once again,
    everyone is happy. No negotiation is required.

    I don't negotiate for a Big Mac. I pay what the seller is asking, we
    exchange my $20 for his Big Mac and we both walk away happy.
    So my question is "what is the starting price"?
    That's an entirely different question. Selling a house, you find a
    "comp" and use that as a guide. If you can't find a "comp", you're
    pretty well lost. You haven't got a good way to price the house. The
    buyer is in the same pickle. That's exactly the situation you're in
    now. It doesn't mean that it's not worth exactly what someone is
    willing to pay. That 'is the definition of "worth".
    Yes I know there are many variables involved. Brand, age, type of equipment, etc, etc, etc. Is there a general set of rules to start with? And I did give some parameters before. Mainstay brand, Delta, Powermatic, bigger main shop equipment such as
    tablesaw, jointer, planer, bandsaw, and 30 years old I will add. Back when everything was mechanical and really unchanged from the way things were 10-20-30-40 years before that.
    Look for a "comp". If you can't find one, guess and see if anyone
    bites. If not, you guessed too high. If someone snatches it up, you
    both walk away happy because you got what you wanted for it and he got
    it for what he was willing to pay. It's "worth" has been established.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Sat Nov 5 20:45:03 2022
    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sat Nov 5 20:43:21 2022
    On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 22:35:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 1:14:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 00:57:18 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:29:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >> >> >> wrote:
    "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 6:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote=

    My question is what is the correct selling, market price for older woodwork=
    ing equipment?

    Whatever a buyer and a seller agree on.

    Yep.
    Too many variables to try to formulate a rule-of-thumb.
    .. even within a certain geographic area.
    John T.

    I am not happy with Scott Lurndal's response. How would the seller and buyer even agree if they did not meet or communicate with each other? Usually when selling things, the seller offers an item for a price. And then the buyer contacts the seller
    to purchase it at the asking price or negotiate a price. But if the seller asks $1 million dollars, then I doubt the potential buyer would even bother to contact the seller. So how would they ever agree on a price? Most buying, selling, negotiating has
    to start somewhere. So a price needs to be chosen in the beginning to even have the buyer and seller talk so they can reach an agreement.
    No, in every sale the buyer and seller agree on the price. That's the
    definition of capitalism. It's why it's the best system ever
    invented. Both the buyer and seller are happy.

    Not always. Just because they "agree" on a price, it doesn't mean that
    both sides of the party are happy.
    Is someone forced into the transaction?

    Maybe, maybe not. Doesn�t matter.

    I�m sure you�ve made choices in life that didn�t make you happy that
    you weren�t �forced� into making. You settled. Lessor of two evils, that
    sort of thing. Compromises don�t always end with both parties saying
    �I�m happy with that solution.� Neither do all buy/sell transactions.

    Sometimes the seller has to sell at a price that makes him unhappy
    because no one is willing to pay his happy price. He won't be happy
    if he doesn't sell it either, so he sells it at a lower price and is unhappy.
    If he weren't happy with the transaction he wouldn't make it.

    Gotta call BS on that one. Sometimes we choose to settle.

    Then you're happy with the transaction.

    I have an extra snowblower. I�m not going to get what I want for it, but
    I�d rather not have it taking up space in my garage. I�m not forced to
    sell it either, but I�m choosing to not have it take up room in my garage. >(not forced, choosing) I won�t be happy with the price I�ll get, but I will >either sell it for less than I�ll be happy about or I�ll donate it. That won�t >make me happy either, but it�ll make me less unhappy than selling it to
    some cheap bastard. I�ll accept a reasonable price, but I won�t get my
    happy price.

    Yeah, I'd be happy to get $10M for my house too but no one is going to
    pay that and I'm not willing to sell for what the comps say. The deal
    doesn't happen. Your prospective customer isn't going to pay the
    original price for your snowblower so the transaction doesn't happen.
    If you settle for less you're happy that you got something and don't
    have two. ...or you'd just keep the spare.

    He may
    not be happy with the situation that forced the issue,
    Sometimes a buyer has to pay a price that makes him unhappy because
    availability is limited. Sometimes he just doesn't want to spend what the >> >going price is regardless of availability, but he needs what is being sold. >>
    There are other combinations/situations where one or the other party might >> >not be happy even after a price has been agreed upon.

    Are both sides happy over at that tweet company? ;-)
    Yes, in fact they are. ...it wouldn't have closed.

    Gotta call BS on that one too. Just about every employee was paid some >portion of their salary in stock, making them partial owners. Some of them >may have voted for the deal, but many of them didn�t. ~3700 of the ~7500 >partial owners were laid off today. Even if they voted for the deal, they aren�t
    very happy today, and they probably weren�t happy the day the deal closed >because they were already worried about losing their jobs.

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
    have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
    with the sale price.

    One guy was attending a meeting via conference call when his line went dead. >Laid off by disconnect. My guess? Not happy.

    Which had nothing to do with the sale. People are deemed superfluous
    all the time.

    If I were paid
    last year's price for my stock portfolio today, you bet I'd be happy.

    Even if it cost you your job?

    You bet, though that's irrelevant. It wouldn't take me another ten
    years (actually, it'll never happen) to recover.

    The other side gets the control he desires at the price it was worth
    to him.

    You do know that he tried to back out of the deal, right? He�s complained
    for months that the price was too high. He only changed his mind to avoid
    a trial that he was expected to lose and immediately started gutting the >company in an effort to save money.

    It's called "negotiation" and it's not done yet.

    Major advertisers have already paused spending on Twitter and Musk is >bitching that anyone advising companies to stop advertising is trying
    to stifle free speech.

    He's not wrong but advertisers are customers.

    You really think he�s �happy� right now? Read his tweets.

    I think he's played poker at the big table before. Yes, I think he's
    happy.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sat Nov 5 21:47:52 2022
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
    have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
    with the sale price.

    Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
    Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
    twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
    other pockets.

    Great deal for those who sold, best guess for the buyers (Musk has
    investors) it going to be a ruff ride, but the banks will make money.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sat Nov 5 22:17:30 2022
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
    Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Sun Nov 6 00:36:03 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
    It looks like a lot of junk to me.

    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too. When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. Sort of. Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end. Wide variety. I bet
    almost everyone here if they had their stuff listed like this auction, it would look the same. I bet we all have some nice tools and some medium they got the job done tools too. And all of the other random stuff every tool person collects over the
    decades.

    The auction makes me kind of sad. If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction, it would not bring the correct price. Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. Then you might optimize the valuable
    items. Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items. But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return. This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to russellseaton1@yahoo.com on Sun Nov 6 01:26:41 2022
    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:36:05 AM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..
    It looks like a lot of junk to me.
    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too. When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. Sort of. Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end. Wide variety. I bet
    almost everyone here if they had their stuff listed like this auction, it would look the same. I bet we all have some nice tools and some medium they got the job done tools too. And all of the other random stuff every tool person collects over the
    decades.

    The auction makes me kind of sad. If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction, it would not bring the correct price. Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. Then you might optimize the valuable
    items. Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items. But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return. This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.

    And if done your way, most people would still not be 100% happy. At best, satisfied. And tired. ;-)

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to ritzannaseaton@gmail.com on Sun Nov 6 06:10:22 2022
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
    When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
    Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
    The auction makes me kind of sad.
    If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
    it would not bring the correct price.
    Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
    Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
    But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
    This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.


    Seriously ?
    Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
    online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
    ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
    you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
    If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
    about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
    for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
    you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
    and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
    etc etc
    .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
    .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
    Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
    the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
    dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
    scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
    It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
    such a large quantity of stuff.
    John T.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Sun Nov 6 15:23:11 2022
    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
    Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..

    Not to mention the very nice workbench, or the Delta DJ-20 (currently at CAD105).

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Sun Nov 6 18:37:33 2022
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
    Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    I didn't see anything in there but beat-up junk. Porter Cable, yeah,
    bottom of the junk pile and getting worse. They had some decent
    routers and dovetail jigs but no more.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 6 18:35:17 2022
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could
    have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do
    with the sale price.

    Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
    Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
    twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
    other pockets.

    Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.

    Great deal for those who sold, best guess for the buyers (Musk has
    investors) it going to be a ruff ride, but the banks will make money.

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  • From John Grossbohlin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 6 15:36:29 2022
    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too. When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. Sort of. Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some >low end. Wide variety. I bet
    almost everyone here if they had their stuff listed like this auction, it would look the same. I bet we all have some nice tools and some medium they got the job done tools too. And all of the >other random stuff every tool person collects over the
    decades.

    The auction makes me kind of sad. If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction, it would not bring the correct price. Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >Then you might optimize the valuable
    items. Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items. But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return. This big auction and everything goes quick is >not a good way to sell tools.

    I plan on being around another 20+ years so I have taken a different approach to my "stuff." I've given my sons and friends a lot of tools and other things and downsized. At the same time I've also gotten a lot of better tools... e.g., replaced all my
    screwdrivers (except the L-N), pliers, electrical tools, etc. with Klein and Knipex and got a new rolling tool cabinet. Once I had all the new stuff I regretted not doing it sooner as the tools work so much better than those I replaced!

    That said, regarding seller/buyer satisfaction, what is somewhat/often times over looked are the opportunity costs of holding out for the last dollar, or holding out to save the last dollar. For one thing, time can not be recouped. Not taking a bit less
    has opportunity costs too... other opportunities may be missed or the market my dry up. I recently responded to a "wanted" ad and offer the guy stuff for free. While on the phone with him I found out he needed something else I had and offered him that
    for free too... He drove 40 miles one way and insisted on paying me for the stuff. Market value was probably in the $100-120 range and we both knew it. I said $30... he gave me $40 and was thrilled to have the stuff. I bought lunch. We were both happy. �
    ��

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Nov 6 18:04:34 2022
    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could >>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do >>>with the sale price.

    Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
    Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that
    twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in
    other pockets.

    Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.

    She is singing from the dressing room on this one.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Sun Nov 6 19:19:18 2022
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
    Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    I missed the track saw and track (the only Festool there). $300, now,
    with a lot of bids on it. That's about a third of new, condition
    unknown. That's not a terrible price if it's in good shape. Browsing
    through there again, there are some stupid-high bids in there.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 6 19:35:39 2022
    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:04:34 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could >>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do >>>>with the sale price.

    Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One
    Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that >>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in >>>other pockets.

    Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.

    She is singing from the dressing room on this one.

    I think you're wrong on this one. Musk isn't stupid. I see a
    securities fraud case in here. He's been hinting around at it.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to grossboj@gmail.com on Sun Nov 6 19:45:53 2022
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:36:29 -0800 (PST), John Grossbohlin
    <grossboj@gmail.com> wrote:


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too. When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. Sort of. Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some >low end. Wide variety. I bet
    almost everyone here if they had their stuff listed like this auction, it would look the same. I bet we all have some nice tools and some medium they got the job done tools too. And all of the >other random stuff every tool person collects over the
    decades.

    The auction makes me kind of sad. If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction, it would not bring the correct price. Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >Then you might optimize the
    valuable items. Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items. But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return. This big auction and everything goes quick is >not a good way to sell tools.

    I plan on being around another 20+ years so I have taken a different approach to my "stuff." I've given my sons and friends a lot of tools and other things and downsized. At the same time I've also gotten a lot of better tools... e.g., replaced all my
    screwdrivers (except the L-N), pliers, electrical tools, etc. with Klein and Knipex and got a new rolling tool cabinet. Once I had all the new stuff I regretted not doing it sooner as the tools work so much better than those I replaced!

    +1

    I think I've replaced everything, too, except my Unisaw but it's only
    10ish years old. I have drawers full screwdrivers just taking up
    space. I retired at the beginning of the year so the shop is where I'm
    planning to hang out for as long as I can stand upright so I put some
    real money into tools over the couple of years before.

    My son isn't interested in tools at all, woodworking or home
    improvement (he could certainly use it). I gave him all of my DeWalt
    corded and cordless tools a few years ago and I doubt he's even
    touched them. They're probably an inch deep in cobwebs in his
    basement. I've just thrown away several power tools recently because
    they take space that I don't want to give them anymore.

    That said, regarding seller/buyer satisfaction, what is somewhat/often times over looked are the opportunity costs of holding out for the last dollar, or holding out to save the last dollar. For one thing, time can not be recouped. Not taking a bit less
    has opportunity costs too... other opportunities may be missed or the market my dry up. I recently responded to a "wanted" ad and offer the guy stuff for free. While on the phone with him I found out he needed something else I had and offered him that
    for free too... He drove 40 miles one way and insisted on paying me for the stuff. Market value was probably in the $100-120 range and we both knew it. I said $30... he gave me $40 and was thrilled to have the stuff. I bought lunch. We were both happy. ?


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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Nov 6 19:09:27 2022
    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:35:39 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:04:34 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could >>>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do >>>>>with the sale price.

    Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One >>>>Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that >>>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in >>>>other pockets.

    Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.

    She is singing from the dressing room on this one.

    I think you're wrong on this one. Musk isn't stupid. I see a
    securities fraud case in here. He's been hinting around at it.

    As is the way with reckless billionaires, bury them in lawyers. A
    judge already stifled his notions and made him shell out money he
    really did not want too.

    I do not kmow about his judgement in some things, smoking a joint
    during a company meeting on camera?

    His Mars plan lacks one vital element, nitrogen.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Nov 6 20:03:09 2022
    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:19:18 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? >>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax. >>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
    Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    I missed the track saw and track (the only Festool there). $300, now,
    with a lot of bids on it. That's about a third of new, condition
    unknown. That's not a terrible price if it's in good shape. Browsing
    through there again, there are some stupid-high bids in there.


    Wait until closing-time - suppertime Wednesday -
    that's when the bidding often takes off ..
    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Mon Nov 7 00:26:30 2022
    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:03:09 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:19:18 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? >>>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax. >>>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Which don't you like - the Festool, Veritas, Jessem ..
    Fein, Hettech, Porter Cable, ..
    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    I missed the track saw and track (the only Festool there). $300, now,
    with a lot of bids on it. That's about a third of new, condition
    unknown. That's not a terrible price if it's in good shape. Browsing >>through there again, there are some stupid-high bids in there.


    Wait until closing-time - suppertime Wednesday -
    that's when the bidding often takes off ..
    John T.

    Yep, that's why I said "now". That's the thing about auctions. People
    get too emotional for their own good.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 7 00:24:43 2022
    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:09:27 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:35:39 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:04:34 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:35:17 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 21:47:52 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:43:21 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Ever hear of a democracy? They got to vote their shares. They could >>>>>>have sold at any time. They may not be happy but it has nothing to do >>>>>>with the sale price.

    Do not think Musk is going to be happy with having to pay out One >>>>>Billion in interest per year out of Twitters profits and given that >>>>>twitter has only posted a profit in 2018 and 2019 might be digging in >>>>>other pockets.

    Yes. ...but the fat lady hasn't even gotten to the podium yet.

    She is singing from the dressing room on this one.

    I think you're wrong on this one. Musk isn't stupid. I see a
    securities fraud case in here. He's been hinting around at it.

    As is the way with reckless billionaires, bury them in lawyers. A
    judge already stifled his notions and made him shell out money he
    really did not want too.

    Securities fraud is a whole different kettle.

    I do not kmow about his judgement in some things, smoking a joint
    during a company meeting on camera?

    His Mars plan lacks one vital element, nitrogen.

    I don't think his Mars plan has anything to do with Mars.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Mon Nov 7 19:40:36 2022
    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
    When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
    Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
    The auction makes me kind of sad.
    If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
    it would not bring the correct price.
    Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
    Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
    But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
    This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.

    Seriously ?
    Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
    online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
    ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
    you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
    If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
    about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
    for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
    you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
    and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
    etc etc
    .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
    .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
    Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
    the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
    dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
    scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
    It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
    such a large quantity of stuff.
    John T.

    If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the
    riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff
    too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking
    pictures and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on it. I consider
    my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to ritzannaseaton@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 07:04:30 2022
    On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
    When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
    Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
    The auction makes me kind of sad.
    If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
    it would not bring the correct price.
    Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
    Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
    But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
    This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools. >> >
    Seriously ?
    Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
    online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
    ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
    you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
    If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
    about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
    for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
    you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
    and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
    etc etc
    .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
    .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
    Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
    the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
    dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
    scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
    It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
    such a large quantity of stuff.
    John T.

    And then the auction house takes their 33% commission.
    And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale.


    The auctioneer in this case gets 15 % from the _buyer_
    < not 33 % from the seller ! >
    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to ritzannaseaton@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 14:06:50 2022
    On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
    When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection.
    Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
    The auction makes me kind of sad.
    If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
    it would not bring the correct price.
    Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece. >> >Then you might optimize the valuable items.
    Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
    But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
    This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools. >> >
    Seriously ?
    Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
    online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
    ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
    you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
    If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
    about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
    for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
    you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
    and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
    etc etc
    .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
    .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
    Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
    the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
    dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
    scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
    It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
    such a large quantity of stuff.
    John T.

    If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the
    riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff
    too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking
    pictures and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on
    it.
    I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.

    After my MIL died, we just hired an auction house to sell everything
    off. It wasn't worth my time to even go through the closets. They
    came in, did the auction, carted what didn't sell off, and gave us a
    check. I'd have had them do it for nothing but it worked out. The
    auction house was very professional and even cleaned up the house
    after. Even after their cut (30%, IIRC), we probably got more than we
    would have ourselves.

    You're right, even though I was off work tying up loose ends, it still
    wasn't worth my time dumping it, much less selling it. What we got
    was money falling from the trees, as far as I was concerned.

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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Tue Nov 8 13:11:59 2022
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:06:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
    When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. >> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
    The auction makes me kind of sad.
    If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
    it would not bring the correct price.
    Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
    Then you might optimize the valuable items.
    Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
    But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
    This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.

    Seriously ?
    Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
    online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
    ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
    you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
    If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
    about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
    for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
    you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
    and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
    etc etc
    .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
    .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
    Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
    the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
    dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
    scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
    It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
    such a large quantity of stuff.
    John T.

    If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the
    riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff
    too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking pictures
    and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on
    it.
    I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.
    After my MIL died, we just hired an auction house to sell everything
    off. It wasn't worth my time to even go through the closets. They
    came in, did the auction, carted what didn't sell off, and gave us a
    check. I'd have had them do it for nothing but it worked out. The
    auction house was very professional and even cleaned up the house
    after. Even after their cut (30%, IIRC), we probably got more than we
    would have ourselves.

    You're right, even though I was off work tying up loose ends, it still wasn't worth my time dumping it, much less selling it. What we got
    was money falling from the trees, as far as I was concerned.

    OK. I am not arguing too strenuously against anyone just selling everything and being done with it. Easier the better. And it is possible with the auction linked above and all of the pictures, that is what happened. Children inherited everything and
    are not even close to home. So they just want to be done with it and settle up. No interest in tools.

    As for me I sort of know which relatives will get my tools. Sort of. Hopefully much later on I can start passing the tools down to them the way I want to and avoid any mass sell off. Just have the pure junk stuff left over. Which can be tossed and no
    harm done.

    As for the auction and its pictures linked above, I was coming at it from a tool lover perspective who wants to get maximum value for each tool. If they were my tools, I would go through them all and keep some of them and not sell them. I actually own
    many of the tools being sold in the auction. And am sort of glad I do own them. I would not want to get rid of them. And some of the other tools in the auction, I might stash under the table to take home with me. Not all of them, but some were
    definitely worth keeping. And even all of the junk stuff being sold, I have some junk too. And sometimes its good to have it around. There was one picture of a bunch of punches. I used a punch to unjam a coil roofing nailer last fall when roofing the
    house. So its good to have punches. Even though they looked like junk being sold off.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to ritzannaseaton@gmail.com on Tue Nov 8 20:49:21 2022
    On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 13:11:59 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:06:56 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:40:36 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 00:36:03 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
    <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100
    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..

    It looks like a lot of junk to me.


    Some of it was junk. But there was also a lot of quality pieces too.
    When I looked at all the pictures I kind of saw my own tool collection. >> >> > Lot of stuff of all types. Some high end, some middle end, and some low end.
    The auction makes me kind of sad.
    If all my treasures were disposed of like this, in a mass auction,
    it would not bring the correct price.
    Much better to dispose of everything in a meticulous manner piece by piece.
    Then you might optimize the valuable items.
    Still lose on the lower items and most of the medium items.
    But your odds would be better for maximizing the total return.
    This big auction and everything goes quick is not a good way to sell tools.

    Seriously ?
    Can you imagine trying to sell off this much stuff through
    online classified sites < CraigsList, Kijiji, Facebook etc .. >
    ... there are 382 auction lots - how many online arses are
    you going to be forced to meet and haggle with ?
    If we just look at clamps - he has almost 100 - arranged in
    about a dozen lots .. I can see it taking forever to get top dollar
    for them by selling through online classified sites - in the process
    you'd be dealing with low-ballers and people who want 2-of-those
    and 2-of-these .. agreeing to come for them and not showing up..
    etc etc
    .. and then you've only sold the clamps - you've just begun !
    .. uuugggh .. shudder ..
    Usually the final selling prices are shown the day-after
    the sale closes - I strongly suspect that this guy will get fair
    dollar for most of his stuff - and it will be all gone on the
    scheduled pick-up day. No fuss, no muss, no dickering.
    It's by-far the best way < the only way > to sell
    such a large quantity of stuff.
    John T.

    If forced, or when I have to liquidate my stuff, I will give it to certain people. OR, get rid of it over years. 2-3-4 years. No rush. I would likely advertise the premium items. And the mid level items. That way I would eliminate dealing with the
    riff raff you mention. I assume someone buying a Festool, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch tool is more serious and really wants to buy the tool. And when I am selling a premium item to a buyer, I would also say look around and see if you want some other stuff
    too. A lot would get sold very quickly to a just a few people. As for all of the "junk" stuff. It might just be thrown out. Which is kind of what is happening with this auction. Spend 30 hours organizing the junk into lots for sale and taking pictures
    and writing descriptions to get $3. And then the auction house takes their 33% commission. And you have to pay the people taking the pictures and organizing the sale. For $100 of junk you get $30 and spend 60 hours working on
    it.
    I consider my time worth more than $0.50 per hour.
    After my MIL died, we just hired an auction house to sell everything
    off. It wasn't worth my time to even go through the closets. They
    came in, did the auction, carted what didn't sell off, and gave us a
    check. I'd have had them do it for nothing but it worked out. The
    auction house was very professional and even cleaned up the house
    after. Even after their cut (30%, IIRC), we probably got more than we
    would have ourselves.

    You're right, even though I was off work tying up loose ends, it still
    wasn't worth my time dumping it, much less selling it. What we got
    was money falling from the trees, as far as I was concerned.

    OK. I am not arguing too strenuously against anyone just selling everything and being done with it. Easier the better. And it is possible with the auction linked above and all of the pictures, that is what happened. Children inherited everything and
    are not even close to home. So they just want to be done with it and settle up. No interest in tools.

    As for me I sort of know which relatives will get my tools. Sort of. Hopefully much later on I can start passing the tools down to them the way I want to and avoid any mass sell off. Just have the pure junk stuff left over. Which can be tossed and
    no harm done.

    As for the auction and its pictures linked above, I was coming at it from a tool lover perspective who wants to get maximum value for each tool. If they were my tools, I would go through them all and keep some of them and not sell them. I actually own
    many of the tools being sold in the auction. And am sort of glad I do own them. I would not want to get rid of them. And some of the other tools in the auction, I might stash under the table to take home with me. Not all of them, but some were
    definitely worth keeping. And even all of the junk stuff being sold, I have some junk too. And sometimes its good to have it around. There was one picture of a bunch of punches. I used a punch to unjam a coil roofing nailer last fall when roofing the
    house. So its good to have punches. Even though they looked like junk being sold off.

    Obviously this is situational. I'd have no one to leave them to but
    would like to find a good home for them. If there were a maker place
    with a 501-C3 around, it would be a good place. There is a rather
    significant pile of money there.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Tue Nov 15 11:12:40 2022
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.



    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.

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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Tue Nov 15 08:44:09 2022
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.


    I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure. But the big Festool 75
    track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Tue Nov 15 21:05:02 2022
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:12:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? >>>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.
    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax. >>>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.



    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    I threw one of the Bosch Jobsite radios away recently. I thought it
    was junk from the minute I got it home. I would have gladly sold it
    for $77.50, even CAD.

    Overall, I think they did pretty well.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to ritzannaseaton@gmail.com on Tue Nov 15 21:17:11 2022
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.


    I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.

    ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

    $400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
    The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
    (no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
    don't think the deal was all that great.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Tue Nov 15 22:19:03 2022
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:17:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" ><ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.


    I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.

    ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

    $400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
    The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
    (no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
    don't think the deal was all that great.



    He got $ 400 for the T75 and $ 100 for the track -
    after fee & tax the buyer paid $ 640 -
    the pair sells for $ 1350. + tax here in Canuck-Bucks.
    Buyer is probably happy.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/power-tools/saws/circular-saw/68072-festool-ts-75-eq-plunge-cut-circular-saw?item=ZT575390

    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed Nov 16 21:24:18 2022
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 22:19:03 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:17:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com" >><ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%?
    Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax.
    ... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.


    I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.

    ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

    $400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal.
    The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it
    (no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I
    don't think the deal was all that great.



    He got $ 400 for the T75 and $ 100 for the track -
    after fee & tax the buyer paid $ 640 -
    the pair sells for $ 1350. + tax here in Canuck-Bucks.
    Buyer is probably happy.

    I forgot about Canuckistani dollars (=$.75US). I didn't realize how
    bad that was now! Makes me reconsider all of the prices.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/power-tools/saws/circular-saw/68072-festool-ts-75-eq-plunge-cut-circular-saw?item=ZT575390

    You're still paying $200CAD more than the south side of the border,
    including exchange rate. Gack! Yeah, it makes a difference.

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  • From ritzannaseaton@gmail.com@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Nov 16 22:55:05 2022
    On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 22:19:03 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:17:11 -0500, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:44:09 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com" >><ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:17:30 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:45:03 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:15:47 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 14:19:06 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

    I know the original post is 17 years old.
    Back in 2005 a person was trying to sell a used, slightly(?),
    8" Grizzly jointer for $600 and its new retail price at
    Do you establish a price based on percentage of a similar new model being sold?
    If there even is a similar new model being sold today. 10%? 50%? >>>> >>>>Or percentage of what you paid new years or decades ago?



    Here's some woodworking stuff at auction near me -
    - closing on Wed. Nov. 9 2022.
    Start your dadabase / study.

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/?ipp=100

    Don't forget to add 15 % auctioneer fee and then 13 % sales tax. >>>> >>>... then convert from Canadian dollars ..


    It looks like a lot of junk to me.



    I guess some folks just have higher standards than others ..
    John T.

    Here's all the selling prices for all the "junk" - first link -
    .. with some junky sample items below - just f y i :

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/catalog/407805/nov-9-22-lisbon-online-auction/

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539286/lot-of-cutter-bits/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539287/machinest-level/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539308/delta-36-rt31b-table-saw-with-accessories/?cpage=4&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539095/6-24--and-2-12--clamps/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539142/delta-floor-model-sander/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539198/delta-16-1-2--variable-speed-drill-press/?cpage=3&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538936/bosch-12--miter-saw-with-stand/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538996/delta-dj-20-8--220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539034/20--king-220-volt-planer/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539036/jessem-router-end-table-incl--router-and-cart/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136539039/fes-tool-plunge-cut-saw/?cpage=2&ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538791/veritas-block-plane/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    https://jantziauctions.hibid.com/lot/136538813/carpenters-bench/?ipp=100&q=&ref=catalog

    John T.


    I don't know. It looks like the big Delta tools and the King planer brought a fair price. The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think. Veritas block plane sold for $61 USD when its new price is $162. Good? Bad? Not sure.

    ut the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD. Its retail is $875, with a rail of course. That one went cheap I think.

    $400. Add another $225 for a 75" rail and it's not such a great deal. >>The track on the auction site may have been the one that came with it >>(no details) but it went for another $100, so a total of $500-$625. I >>don't think the deal was all that great.



    He got $ 400 for the T75 and $ 100 for the track -
    after fee & tax the buyer paid $ 640 -
    the pair sells for $ 1350. + tax here in Canuck-Bucks.
    Buyer is probably happy.
    I forgot about Canuckistani dollars (=$.75US). I didn't realize how
    bad that was now! Makes me reconsider all of the prices.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/power-tools/saws/circular-saw/68072-festool-ts-75-eq-plunge-cut-circular-saw?item=ZT575390

    You're still paying $200CAD more than the south side of the border, including exchange rate. Gack! Yeah, it makes a difference.

    I wish we could add those smiley icons in Google threads. I'd put in a whole line of them. So I'll have to make do with the text version.

    ;-) ;-) ;-)
    My original post did say "But the big Festool 75 track saw only brought $300 USD." I did clearly state US Dollars. Which as you realized converts to Canadian dollars at $0.75 USD per Canadian Dollar. I didn't realize there was an extra 14% markup for
    fees and taxes and such. In this instance for the Festool 75 saw and track, I think selling it privately would have garnered much more money. As pointed out, NEW, it sells for $1350 CDN plus sales tax or VAT, whatever they have up in Canada. And the
    picture shows the saw looking very good. Unused. So selling a very name brand desirable Festool track saw for only about 40% of new price is bad economics.

    But as I stated, the other big tools seemed to sell for a fair price. And i have now changed my mind about the Bessey clamps. I now think they sold cheap. Previously I said "The Bessey clamps brought a great price I think.". Wrong. $300 CDN for six
    24" Bessey and two 12" Bessey. Average of 37.50$ CDN each. Or $28.12 USD each. Looking on Amazon, you can buy Bessey 24" clamps for $50 each. And the 12" Bessey for $56 each. US Dollars. So only paying/receiving $28 USD for clamps that cost $50-56
    is not a good sale by the seller. He lost money. I don't think getting 50% retail for Bessey clamps is good. Bessey clamps are a premium item. And should hold their value very well. Its not like you can wear out a Bessey clamp by using it.

    I'm still going to stick with my prior statement that to maximize selling price for the seller, its best to sell the items individually. At least the premium items and big ticket type items. Meaning the stationary tools. As for all of the little
    extraneous stuff, and junk stuff, a mass sale, online auction, probably makes sense just from the convenience and expedience of it.

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  • From Lane@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 00:15:03 2023
    I'm interested in buying your jointer.

    --
    For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/grizzly-8-jointer-for-sale-in-dallas-tx-600-10169-.htm

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Lane on Wed Jan 4 10:29:17 2023
    On 1/3/2023 6:15 PM, Lane wrote:
    I'm interested in buying your jointer.



    Mine is not for sale.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Jan 4 19:42:29 2023
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 1/3/2023 6:15 PM, Lane wrote:
    I'm interested in buying your jointer.

    Mine is not for sale.

    Can you send to me as a gift?

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  • From s@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 14:04:02 2023
    Lane <6b22066555b7093ae251da9b49070686@example.com> wrote in news:1736f2d3f13fe93c$3774$1282413$3d389da@news.newsgroupdirect.com:

    I'm interested in buying your jointer.


    ok $15000 u pick up today

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 08:50:53 2023
    On 1/4/2023 9:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 1/3/2023 6:15 PM, Lane wrote:
    I'm interested in buying your jointer.

    Mine is not for sale.

    Can you send to me as a gift?

    NO! N O spells no! ;~)

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 10:39:28 2023
    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 08:50:53 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/4/2023 9:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 1/3/2023 6:15 PM, Lane wrote:
    I'm interested in buying your jointer.

    Mine is not for sale.

    Can you send to me as a gift?

    NO! N O spells no! ;~)

    Sorry, mine's not a Grizzly.

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to s@s.com on Sat Jan 14 07:42:29 2023
    s <s@s.com> wrote in news:XnsAF87521171143s@185.151.13.167:

    Lane <6b22066555b7093ae251da9b49070686@example.com> wrote in news:1736f2d3f13fe93c$3774$1282413$3d389da@news.newsgroupdirect.com:

    I'm interested in buying your jointer.


    ok $15000 u pick up today


    I'll do it for $14,999. Ships directly from Grizzly with full factory warranty. Title and registration extra.

    Puckdropper

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