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  • Has anybody used one of these?

    From Jim@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 06:01:34 2022
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Jim on Tue Aug 2 08:32:55 2022
    On 8/2/2022 8:01 AM, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89


    Some body has. Freud came out with one of those IIRC about 14 years
    ago as an answer/alternative to the Festool Domino.

    The problem is that Plate joiners/Biscuit cutters and the Festool Domino
    allow for a degree of misalignment.

    This tool DOES NOT. If the placement for the holes for the mating half
    are not "PRECISELY" placed/aligned, the mating pieces/dowels will not fit.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Jim on Tue Aug 2 10:48:39 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote:

    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For
    example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the
    alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
    might be worth a try.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Tue Aug 2 16:30:45 2022
    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote:

    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For >example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the >alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
    might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
    or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with
    a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 18:46:29 2022
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For >>example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the >>alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
    might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
    or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with
    a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

    I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
    ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
    power".

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Jim on Tue Aug 2 21:00:11 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and blow the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=JE08350

    Bob

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Wed Aug 3 07:40:40 2022
    On 8/2/2022 11:00 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and blow the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=JE08350

    Bob


    YES!!! For a fit that will be accurate you need a jig that holds both
    pieces of wood, in registration with each other, and allows drilling all
    holes before relocating the jig.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Aug 3 07:38:27 2022
    On 8/2/2022 5:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote:

    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For
    example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the
    alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
    might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
    or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with
    a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

    I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
    ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
    power".


    I do not see that so much as a lie as a way more than needed power rating.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Wed Aug 3 14:52:43 2022
    Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner= >/t32540?trk_msg=3D7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=3DCFTK7V2KE07MS9VG= >5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=3D1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=3DCB49G1SIROIKV4U4= >0VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=3D00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe4= >7cf410f52&utm_source=3Dlistrak&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3DSALE+%2499.95&= >utm_campaign=3DThings+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=3DThings+Y= >ou+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a=
    high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and b=
    low the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350

    Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.

    https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 18:10:35 2022
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 14:52:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner= >>/t32540?trk_msg=3D7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=3DCFTK7V2KE07MS9VG= >>5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=3D1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=3DCB49G1SIROIKV4U4= >>0VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=3D00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe4= >>7cf410f52&utm_source=3Dlistrak&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3DSALE+%2499.95&= >>utm_campaign=3DThings+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=3DThings+Y= >>ou+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a= >> high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and b= >>low the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350

    Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.

    https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

    That's not going to accurately place holes. There are hundreds of
    jigs better than that.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Aug 3 18:11:12 2022
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:38:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 8/2/2022 5:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote: >>>>
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For
    example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the
    alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
    might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
    or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with
    a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

    I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
    ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
    power".


    I do not see that so much as a lie as a way more than needed power rating.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Aug 3 18:18:15 2022
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:38:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 8/2/2022 5:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote: >>>>
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For
    example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the
    alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
    might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
    or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with
    a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

    I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
    ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
    power".


    I do not see that so much as a lie as a way more than needed power rating.

    No, it's a lie. 1HP = 746W. Do you really think a 20A circuit, with
    the vacuum's 16GA cord and 15A plug, is going supply 40A to the
    vacuum? BTW, the above numbers assume a 100% efficient motor.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Aug 4 08:37:24 2022
    On 8/3/2022 5:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 14:52:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner= >>> /t32540?trk_msg=3D7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=3DCFTK7V2KE07MS9VG=
    5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=3D1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=3DCB49G1SIROIKV4U4=
    0VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=3D00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe4=
    7cf410f52&utm_source=3Dlistrak&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3DSALE+%2499.95&=
    utm_campaign=3DThings+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=3DThings+Y=
    ou+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a=
    high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and b= >>> low the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350 >>
    Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.

    https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

    That's not going to accurately place holes. There are hundreds of
    jigs better than that.



    IMHO a good jig is one that holds both mating pieces, in registration,
    while drilling holes. If you have to move the jig to drill the mating
    holes you may have an alignment issue.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Aug 4 08:49:00 2022
    On 8/3/2022 5:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:38:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 8/2/2022 5:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote: >>>>>
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
    that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For >>>>> example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the >>>>> alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it >>>>> might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
    or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with >>>> a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

    I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
    ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
    power".


    I do not see that so much as a lie as a way more than needed power rating.

    No, it's a lie. 1HP = 746W. Do you really think a 20A circuit, with
    the vacuum's 16GA cord and 15A plug, is going supply 40A to the
    vacuum? BTW, the above numbers assume a 100% efficient motor.

    FWIW I am talking about strictly the double drill dowel machine, not the
    VAC.


    I am not electrical expert but I have several items in my shop that draw
    way in excess of 746W from an extension cord. My space heater comes to
    mind with 1500W.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Aug 4 10:12:53 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:49:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 8/3/2022 5:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:38:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 8/2/2022 5:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ryan@jimryan.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=
    00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems >>>>>> that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For >>>>>> example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the >>>>>> alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it >>>>>> might be worth a try.

    Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels >>>>> or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
    screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with >>>>> a different base diameter).

    They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor. >>>>
    I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
    ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
    power".


    I do not see that so much as a lie as a way more than needed power rating. >>
    No, it's a lie. 1HP = 746W. Do you really think a 20A circuit, with
    the vacuum's 16GA cord and 15A plug, is going supply 40A to the
    vacuum? BTW, the above numbers assume a 100% efficient motor.

    FWIW I am talking about strictly the double drill dowel machine, not the
    VAC.

    Sure, but the point is that it's a universal motor, as is the shop
    vac. They're rated with the same lie. An induction motor (as would
    be found in a stationary tool) is rated properly. A loaded 1HP motor
    will use 746W (a little more because of <100% efficiency). Why the
    difference in rating methodology?


    I am not electrical expert but I have several items in my shop that draw
    way in excess of 746W from an extension cord. My space heater comes to
    mind with 1500W.

    746W is about 6A so, sure, an extension cord will handle it. 1500W is
    twice that, or 12A. That's fine through 14ga and 16ga will probably
    handle it without a problem (uncoil it if it's for any time). 6-1/2
    times 746W is not OK on a 20A 120V circuit. You're not going to run a
    5HP table saw in a 120V circuit, with a 16ga extension cord, or at
    all. It's going to be a 240V circuit.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Aug 4 14:16:14 2022
    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 14:52:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner= >>>/t32540?trk_msg=3D7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=3DCFTK7V2KE07MS9VG= >>>5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=3D1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=3DCB49G1SIROIKV4U4= >>>0VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=3D00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe4= >>>7cf410f52&utm_source=3Dlistrak&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3DSALE+%2499.95&= >>>utm_campaign=3DThings+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=3DThings+Y= >>>ou+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a= >>> high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and b= >>>low the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.
    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350

    Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.
    https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

    That's not going to accurately place holes. There are hundreds of
    jigs better than that.

    Certainly there are more expensive alternatives. Not everyone
    can afford one, and the #59 has been a viable option for almost
    a century.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Aug 4 10:15:34 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:37:24 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 8/3/2022 5:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 14:52:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner=
    /t32540?trk_msg=3D7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=3DCFTK7V2KE07MS9VG=
    5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=3D1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=3DCB49G1SIROIKV4U4=
    0VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=3D00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe4=
    7cf410f52&utm_source=3Dlistrak&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3DSALE+%2499.95&=
    utm_campaign=3DThings+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=3DThings+Y=
    ou+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a=
    high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and b=
    low the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350 >>>
    Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.

    https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

    That's not going to accurately place holes. There are hundreds of
    jigs better than that.



    IMHO a good jig is one that holds both mating pieces, in registration,
    while drilling holes. If you have to move the jig to drill the mating
    holes you may have an alignment issue.

    As you noted here many times, a Domino, or even a plate joiner
    (thought I hate them) has some lateral slop so that _exact_ placement
    isn't required. Dowels have to be placed exactly or they're not going
    to go.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 18:28:57 2022
    On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:16:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 14:52:43 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:

    Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
    https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner=
    /t32540?trk_msg=3D7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=3DCFTK7V2KE07MS9VG=
    5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=3D1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=3DCB49G1SIROIKV4U4=
    0VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=3D00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe4=
    7cf410f52&utm_source=3Dlistrak&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_term=3DSALE+%2499.95&=
    utm_campaign=3DThings+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=3DThings+Y=
    ou+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

    If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a=
    high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and b=
    low the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.
    https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350 >>>
    Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.
    https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

    That's not going to accurately place holes. There are hundreds of
    jigs better than that.

    Certainly there are more expensive alternatives. Not everyone
    can afford one, and the #59 has been a viable option for almost
    a century.

    My point is that it's no better than a slew of other dowel jigs, and
    some whole lot better. It's nothing at all special, other than it
    might appeal to tool collectors (no idea why).

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