• OT: Outdoor paint question

    From Michael@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 10 19:25:28 2022
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Michael on Tue May 10 23:06:47 2022
    On 5/10/2022 22:25, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!

    "Best paint" is hard to say. I use SW brand because I get a contractors discount on a charge account. After properly preparing and fixing the
    wood, I would prime with an oil based primer personally, before top
    coating with latex (unless you also top coat with oil).

    ---------------------------------

    I can tell, for sure, to fill and repair wood rot, the best thing that
    you can get is Abatron wood repair. Bondo, wood putty, regular epoxy,
    and any other stuff just won't hold up. This stuff is amazing! (No, I
    don't sell it, I'm just interested in historical preservation.) People
    who restore historic log cabins like it also. Not cheap, but well worth it.

    Abatron LiquidWood and WoodEpox:

    https://www.acehardware.com/departments/paint-and-supplies/patch-and-repair/wood-filler/1829944

    Note: I would buy a larger kit than what I linked; many places sell it
    in multi quart or gallon kits. This stuff is awesome for rebuilding
    historic wood window sashes as well. I've rebuilt sashes that look just
    as bad as the first picture linked below (this is the site that I
    learned about Abatron from):

    https://www.oldhouseguy.com/wood-window-restoration/

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Michael on Wed May 11 08:04:24 2022
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1

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  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed May 11 10:07:06 2022
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!
    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1

    On a sound surface, I have used Benjamin Moore with great success...However this was over 30 years ago (formula may have since changed), and was holding up well up until I re-sided the house capped all my trim 3 years ago. Surface prep is the key...

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  • From J. Clarke@21:1/5 to bnwelch@gmail.com on Wed May 11 13:31:01 2022
    On Wed, 11 May 2022 10:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnwelch@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!
    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1

    On a sound surface, I have used Benjamin Moore with great success...However this was over 30 years ago (formula may have since changed), and was holding up well up until I re-sided the house capped all my trim 3 years ago. Surface prep is the key...

    Yep. FWIW, my local independent paint dealer (Clark Paint Factory, Springfield, MA), which has chemists on staff and formulates their own
    coatings for some special purposes, sells Benjamin Moore products.
    They're also where I go for M.L. Campbell.

    So far they haven't steered me wrong.

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  • From ck@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 11 20:20:42 2022
    Le 11/05/2022 à 19:07, Brian Welch a écrit :
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!
    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1

    On a sound surface, I have used Benjamin Moore with great success...However this was over 30 years ago (formula may have since changed), and was holding up well up until I re-sided the house capped all my trim 3 years ago. Surface prep is the key...

    You can do your own paint: flour pait or swedish paint. It is really
    lasting and very cheap. See recipes in

    https://www.ocres-de-france.com/en/cms/7/swedish-paint

    https://ardec.ca/en/blog/2/flour-paint-an-easy-to-prepare-non-toxic-long-lasting-and-dirt-cheap-exteri


    ..............

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  • From Michael@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 11 13:34:51 2022
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 1:20:46 PM UTC-5, ck wrote:
    Le 11/05/2022 à 19:07, Brian Welch a écrit :
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 9:04:31 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!
    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1

    On a sound surface, I have used Benjamin Moore with great success...However this was over 30 years ago (formula may have since changed), and was holding up well up until I re-sided the house capped all my trim 3 years ago. Surface prep is the key...
    You can do your own paint: flour pait or swedish paint. It is really
    lasting and very cheap. See recipes in

    https://www.ocres-de-france.com/en/cms/7/swedish-paint

    https://ardec.ca/en/blog/2/flour-paint-an-easy-to-prepare-non-toxic-long-lasting-and-dirt-cheap-exteri


    ..............
    Thanks everyone! We will definitely check out all these options!

    Mike

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu May 12 10:19:59 2022
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also,
    the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.  1lb. is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1

    I agree except for the primer. A good primer properly applied to a
    properly prepared surface is a must if there is any bare wood showing.
    Best, most long lasting paint I used on a problem window area was latex recommended by a guy that knew his stuff at SW store. I wanted oil base,
    he talked me into latex and he was right.

    I also had a section of garage door that rotted out on the bottom about
    a foot long. I cut out the rotted section, cut a board to fit and glued/screwed it in and smoothed it out with Durhams and it's been fine
    for at least 10 years now with no signs of failure.

    --
    Jack
    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Jack on Thu May 12 09:48:15 2022
    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:20:05 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also,
    the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1
    I agree except for the primer. A good primer properly applied to a
    properly prepared surface is a must if there is any bare wood showing.
    Best, most long lasting paint I used on a problem window area was latex recommended by a guy that knew his stuff at SW store. I wanted oil base,
    he talked me into latex and he was right.


    Oil based exterior primer, latex exterior top coat.

    I buy all my paint at an independent paint store. Mostly Benjamin Moore,
    but not exclusively. General Finishes stains, etc. Lots of contractors as customers. Great advice on both paint and equipment. They've never
    steered me wrong.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu May 12 13:27:47 2022
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also,
    the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.  1lb. is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use.
    Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the
    exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to Bill on Thu May 12 14:10:04 2022
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.� Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also,
    the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.� I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.� 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill

    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has
    lasted over twenty years.

    It is intended to be painted so that is why I find it strange. Did he
    read the instructions?

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to markrm618@hotmail.com on Thu May 12 20:01:17 2022
    Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> writes:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.� Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, >>>> the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.� I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.� 1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >>Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in >>freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >>exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill

    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has
    lasted over twenty years.

    Do you have freeze-thaw cycles? If the putty doesn't expand
    and contract with changes in temperature at the same rate as
    the wood, it will eventually fail.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 12 15:57:50 2022
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 20:01:17 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> writes:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.� Can someone tell me the >>>>> absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, >>>>> the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.� I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.� 1lb. is >>>> $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >>>Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in >>>freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >>>exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill

    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has >>lasted over twenty years.

    Do you have freeze-thaw cycles? If the putty doesn't expand
    and contract with changes in temperature at the same rate as
    the wood, it will eventually fail.

    Temps vary from 100F to -5F.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 12 18:09:02 2022
    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:10:17 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <none...@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, >>> the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is >> $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill
    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has
    lasted over twenty years.

    It is intended to be painted so that is why I find it strange. Did he
    read the instructions?

    There appears to be a modicum of truth in the comment.

    These are 2 excerpts from the Durham FAQ section entitled: CAN I
    USE DURHAM'S FOR REPAIRS OUTDOORS?

    "Durham’s can be used outdoors and will withstand outdoor weather, but it must be kept painted. Water putty is not waterproof and will absorb any moisture it is exposed to and the paint will peel. So if you see peeling, you must find the source of the moisture and stop it from getting into the putty."

    "If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp, and paint continues to peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating of “Gorilla Glue,” shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then painting over that."

    Full FAQ:

    https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu May 12 18:01:16 2022
    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> writes:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <none...@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the >>>> absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, >>>> the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother >>> with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard. >>> This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is >>> $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >>Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product. >>Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in >>freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >>exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill

    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has >lasted over twenty years.
    Do you have freeze-thaw cycles? If the putty doesn't expand
    and contract with changes in temperature at the same rate as
    the wood, it will eventually fail.

    Durham addresses expansion in it's FAQ, but only in one specific situation. They do not mention freeze-thaw cycles.

    This is an excerpt from the section entitled: CAN I USE DURHAM'S FOR
    REPAIRS OUTDOORS?

    "Durham’s is intended to be applied in actual voids or cavities and should not be applied in a layer over the face of a board, since it can come loose with the slight expansion of the underlying surface."

    Full FAQ:

    https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/

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  • From J. Clarke@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri May 13 08:45:46 2022
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also,
    the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.  1lb. is
    $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    From the manufacturer's web site:
    "Durham’s is not waterproof".

    <https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/>
    Look under "Can Durham's be used to patch a foundation"

    Also "Can I use Durhams' for repairs outdoors" which specifies its
    limitations in such use.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri May 13 10:28:40 2022
    On 5/12/2022 12:27 PM, Bill wrote:
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)?
    Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them? >>>
    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.  1lb.
    is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

       "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill





    To put this into perspective, Durham's not being water proof, NEITHER is
    WOOD.

    I have never had an issue using it outside as long as both it and the
    wood remained painted.

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  • From swalker@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri May 13 11:49:14 2022
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:10:17 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <none...@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, >> >>> the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is >> >> $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use.
    Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the
    exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill
    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has
    lasted over twenty years.

    It is intended to be painted so that is why I find it strange. Did he
    read the instructions?

    There appears to be a modicum of truth in the comment.

    These are 2 excerpts from the Durham FAQ section entitled: CAN I
    USE DURHAM'S FOR REPAIRS OUTDOORS?

    "Durham�s can be used outdoors and will withstand outdoor weather, but it >must be kept painted. Water putty is not waterproof and will absorb any >moisture it is exposed to and the paint will peel. So if you see peeling, you >must find the source of the moisture and stop it from getting into the putty."

    "If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp, and paint continues to >peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating of >�Gorilla Glue,� shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then painting over that."

    Full FAQ:

    https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/

    From above post, ""If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp,
    and paint continues to
    peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating
    of
    �Gorilla Glue,� shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then
    painting over that.""

    Just how do you thin Gorilla Glue?

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to swalker on Fri May 13 12:04:19 2022
    On 5/13/2022 11:49 AM, swalker wrote:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:10:17 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <none...@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the >>>>>> absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also, >>>>>> the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them? >>>>>>
    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother >>>>> with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard. >>>>> This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is >>>>> $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >>>> Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >>>> exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill
    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has
    lasted over twenty years.

    It is intended to be painted so that is why I find it strange. Did he
    read the instructions?

    There appears to be a modicum of truth in the comment.

    These are 2 excerpts from the Durham FAQ section entitled: CAN I
    USE DURHAM'S FOR REPAIRS OUTDOORS?

    "Durham’s can be used outdoors and will withstand outdoor weather, but it >> must be kept painted. Water putty is not waterproof and will absorb any
    moisture it is exposed to and the paint will peel. So if you see peeling, you
    must find the source of the moisture and stop it from getting into the putty."

    "If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp, and paint continues to >> peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating of
    “Gorilla Glue,” shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then painting over that."

    Full FAQ:

    https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/

    From above post, ""If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp,
    and paint continues to
    peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating
    of
    “Gorilla Glue,” shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then
    painting over that.""

    Just how do you thin Gorilla Glue?


    Assuming the urethane Gorilla Glue and not the Wood Glue Gorilla Glue,
    let it cure and sand it to the shape you need.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to swalker on Fri May 13 17:08:32 2022
    swalker <sw@newsguy.com> writes:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    Full FAQ:

    https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/

    From above post, ""If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp,
    and paint continues to
    peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating
    of
    �Gorilla Glue,� shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then
    painting over that.""

    Just how do you thin Gorilla Glue?

    Did you ask them? It is polyurethane based, so I would expect that
    a solvent such as acetone or xylene may work. But calling the toll-free number on the back of the bottle would get an authoratative answer.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to swalker on Fri May 13 12:08:19 2022
    On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:49:27 PM UTC-4, swalker wrote:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:10:17 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:27:47 -0400, Bill <none...@att.net> wrote:

    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house. Can someone tell me the >> >>> absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)? Also,
    the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint. I would not personally bother >> >> with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard. >> >> This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive. 1lb. is >> >> $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >> >Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

    "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the >> >exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill
    I have used Durham's and found that comment strange, I have never had
    a problem with it in the outdoor situation. Repair is outside and has
    lasted over twenty years.

    It is intended to be painted so that is why I find it strange. Did he
    read the instructions?

    There appears to be a modicum of truth in the comment.

    These are 2 excerpts from the Durham FAQ section entitled: CAN I
    USE DURHAM'S FOR REPAIRS OUTDOORS?

    "Durham’s can be used outdoors and will withstand outdoor weather, but it >must be kept painted. Water putty is not waterproof and will absorb any >moisture it is exposed to and the paint will peel. So if you see peeling, you
    must find the source of the moisture and stop it from getting into the putty."

    "If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp, and paint continues to >peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating of >“Gorilla Glue,” shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then painting over that."

    Full FAQ:

    https://durhamswaterputty.com/faq/
    From above post, ""If you cannot discover how a patch is getting damp,
    and paint continues to
    peel from it, sometimes the patch can be sealed using a thin coating
    of
    “Gorilla Glue,” shellac, or an exterior polyurethane, and then
    painting over that.""
    Just how do you thin Gorilla Glue?

    They didn't say to thin it, they said to use a thin coat. ;-)

    Acetone should work as would heating the bottle in hot water or
    very carefully with a heat gun.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri May 13 21:34:24 2022
    On 5/13/2022 11:28 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/12/2022 12:27 PM, Bill wrote:
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me the
    absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or oil-based)?
    Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you recommend to fill
    them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally bother
    with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock Hard.
    This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty inexpensive.  1lb.
    is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use.
    Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

        "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on the
    exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill





    To put this into perspective, Durham's not being water proof, NEITHER is WOOD.

    I have never had an issue using it outside as long as both it and the
    wood remained painted.

    But, with all due respect, you don't see much snow where you live either.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Bill on Fri May 13 22:52:13 2022
    On 5/13/2022 8:34 PM, Bill wrote:
    On 5/13/2022 11:28 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/12/2022 12:27 PM, Bill wrote:
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me
    the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or
    oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you
    recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally
    bother with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock
    Hard. This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty
    inexpensive.  1lb. is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior" use. >>> Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

        "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in
    freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on
    the exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill





    To put this into perspective, Durham's not being water proof, NEITHER
    is WOOD.

    I have never had an issue using it outside as long as both it and the
    wood remained painted.

    But, with all due respect, you don't see much snow where you live either.


    Undrstood, but unlike substances will expand and contract at different
    rates. While we don't see a lot of snow we do see large temperature
    swings in a relatively short period of time.. Not at all unusual to
    see a 60 degree temp swing from one day to the next. And back. Pro's
    have been using Rock Hard for years.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to Leon on Sat May 14 20:48:16 2022
    On 5/13/2022 11:52 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/13/2022 8:34 PM, Bill wrote:
    On 5/13/2022 11:28 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/12/2022 12:27 PM, Bill wrote:
    On 5/11/2022 9:04 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 5/10/2022 9:25 PM, Michael wrote:
    Repainting the windowsills on an old house.  Can someone tell me
    the absolute best kind of outdoor paint to use (latex or
    oil-based)? Also, the sills have deep cracks. What would you
    recommend to fill them?

    Much appreciated!


    I would use a top quality latex paint.  I would not personally
    bother with a primer, just put on 2 or more coats of the latex.
    Sherwin Williams would be my brand choice.

    If the wood is not in too bad of shape I would use Durhams Rock
    Hard. This stuff has been around for ever and is pretty
    inexpensive.  1lb. is $3.20 on Amazon.


    https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Durhams-076694000046-4-Pound-Rockhard/dp/B000LNS2LU?th=1



    You made me curious about Durham's viability for general "exterior"
    use.
    Below is a comment I obtained from Amazon Reviews of the product.
    Perhaps it will be helpful to someone?

        "Note: Water Putty is NOT weatherproof, and will deteriorate in >>>> freeze-thaw areas. In that case, it is best to brush Water Seal on
    the exposed area after it cures."

    The comment was posted by Valntino (sic).

    -Bill





    To put this into perspective, Durham's not being water proof, NEITHER
    is WOOD.

    I have never had an issue using it outside as long as both it and the
    wood remained painted.

    But, with all due respect, you don't see much snow where you live either.


    Undrstood, but unlike substances will expand and contract at different rates.  While we don't see a lot of snow we do see large temperature
    swings in a relatively short period of time..   Not at all unusual to
    see a 60 degree temp swing from one day to the next.
    I see what you are saying.. But the relevant issue is that water
    crystalizes and expands (i.e. forms ice) when it freezes, forming
    enormous leverage. That's why many of our roads fall apart. Still, I
    don't doubt your confidence in the water putty.

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