Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the
workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you. >>>> Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the
workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Patents are not always the next great thing.
That's a fact. I have eight of them. They looked good on a resume but
that and the incentive money is all they're good for. ;-)
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you. >>>>>> Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the
workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece >>>>> then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the >>>> light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that. >>
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in
instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
For a patent to be valid, the best (at the time of application) implementation and utility has to be disclosed.
Not actually showing the exact use of the patent technology does not
give the competition a hint as to where this might be headed.
There may be something there or it might just be that they're hoping
to shotgun the technology to lay some claim to beat others over the
head with. When I worked at IBM (and likely still happens) when
someone came to IBM with an infringement claim, the first thing IBM
lawyers did was to pull everything out that the claimant could
possibly be infringing on (I was on a few of the hunts). They'd put a
pile of patents in front of their lawyers and play "Lets Make a Deal".
Most patents are defensive - protecting from attacks on the flanks of
the technology, as it were.
OTOH, for several years, IBM made more on its patent licensing than it
did with everything else combined. Hell, some years they would have
shown a loss without the licensing of the mountain of patents.
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you. >>>>> Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the
workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece >>>> then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the >>> light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in
instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Not actually showing the exact use of the patent technology does not
give the competition a hint as to where this might be headed.
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the
workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece >>>>> then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the >>>> light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that. >>
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in
instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get
an Origin. ;~)
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
For a patent to be valid, the best (at the time of application) implementation and utility has to be disclosed.
Not actually showing the exact use of the patent technology does not
give the competition a hint as to where this might be headed.
There may be something there or it might just be that they're hoping
to shotgun the technology to lay some claim to beat others over the
head with. When I worked at IBM (and likely still happens) when
someone came to IBM with an infringement claim, the first thing IBM
lawyers did was to pull everything out that the claimant could
possibly be infringing on (I was on a few of the hunts). They'd put a
pile of patents in front of their lawyers and play "Lets Make a Deal".
Most patents are defensive - protecting from attacks on the flanks of
the technology, as it were.
OTOH, for several years, IBM made more on its patent licensing than it
did with everything else combined. Hell, some years they would have
shown a loss without the licensing of the mountain of patents.
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece >>>>>>> then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the >>>>>> light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses. >>>> A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that. >>>>
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in
instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
an Origin. ;~)
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be
programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece >>>>>>> then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the >>>>>> light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses. >>>> A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in
instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
an Origin. ;~)
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be
programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the
workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >> >>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses. >> >>>> A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >> >>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >> >>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in
instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >> >>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
an Origin. ;~)
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be
programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side >> >> the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the >slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to >sharpen good knives.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 >> minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >> >> an Origin. ;~)
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop
technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >> >>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why?
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >> >>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >> >>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >> >>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >> >> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to
sharpen good knives.
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece >>>>>>>>> then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the >>>>>>>> light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses. >>>>>> A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >>>>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >>>>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >>>>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
an Origin. ;~)
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be
programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side >>>> the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 >>> minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>> an Origin. ;~)
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses. >>>>>>> A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >>>>>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >>>>>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>>>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >>>>>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>>>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side >>>>> the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's
assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the >> slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to sharpen good knives.
On 3/22/2022 11:17 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 >> minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>> an Origin. ;~)
wrote:
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >>>>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >>>>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >>>>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought.
Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side >>>> the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?I finally got a Ken Onion Work Sharp sharpener. It WORKS. Almost fool
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
proof and will make a dull knife sharp in a matter if minutes. Or scary sharp.
On 3/22/2022 1:14 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 >>>> minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>>> an Origin. ;~)
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >>>>>>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >>>>>>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>>>>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >>>>>>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>>>>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought. >>>>>>>
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side >>>>>> the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >>> assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to
sharpen good knives.
IIRC 20~25 degrees. One is for kitchen knives and the other for a
pocket knife. I keep having to check my chart when sharpening.
So the WorkSharp system works very well for my son and his wife. I have
the upper end Ken Onion Work Sharp system that does more and I am
finally happy and satisfied after many styles of knife sharpeners. If
you remember Nailshooter from here he is a knife collector and has one
for his regular knives IIRC. He saw mine, was impressed, and bought one
to charge clients to sharpen their knives.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:45:34 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/22/2022 1:14 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 >>>>> minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>>>> an Origin. ;~)
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way" >>>>>>>>> does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They >>>>>>>>> figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>>>>>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below >>>>>>>>> the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>>>>>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought. >>>>>>>>
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side >>>>>>> the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool: >>>>>>
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has. >>>>
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >>>> assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to
sharpen good knives.
IIRC 20~25 degrees. One is for kitchen knives and the other for a
pocket knife. I keep having to check my chart when sharpening.
So the WorkSharp system works very well for my son and his wife. I have
the upper end Ken Onion Work Sharp system that does more and I am
finally happy and satisfied after many styles of knife sharpeners. If
you remember Nailshooter from here he is a knife collector and has one
for his regular knives IIRC. He saw mine, was impressed, and bought one
to charge clients to sharpen their knives.
I'll have to look into it further. SWMBO was spending big bucks to
have her knives sent out for sharpening by one of the high-price
stores (initials WS). Who they sent them to, IDK, but they'll no
longer take serrated knives. She has expensive Japanese knives (make
Lie Nielson chisels look cheap) so it's worth keeping them up.
On 3/23/2022 9:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:45:34 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/22/2022 1:14 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5 >>>>>> minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>>>>> an Origin. ;~)
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the >>>>>>>>>> drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop >>>>>>>>>> spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought. >>>>>>>>>
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool: >>>>>>>
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has. >>>>>
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >>>>> assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to >>>> sharpen good knives.
IIRC 20~25 degrees. One is for kitchen knives and the other for a
pocket knife. I keep having to check my chart when sharpening.
So the WorkSharp system works very well for my son and his wife. I have >>> the upper end Ken Onion Work Sharp system that does more and I am
finally happy and satisfied after many styles of knife sharpeners. If
you remember Nailshooter from here he is a knife collector and has one
for his regular knives IIRC. He saw mine, was impressed, and bought one >>> to charge clients to sharpen their knives.
I'll have to look into it further. SWMBO was spending big bucks to
have her knives sent out for sharpening by one of the high-price
stores (initials WS). Who they sent them to, IDK, but they'll no
longer take serrated knives. She has expensive Japanese knives (make
Lie Nielson chisels look cheap) so it's worth keeping them up.
IIRC serrated knives are only sharpened from the back side. Do check
into that. But I have to say, we have a very inexpensive set of
Tromentina serrated steak knives that we bought in Jan 2006. We throw
them in the dishwasher and they have never been resharpened.
These seem to cut as well as out 3 year old seldom used Japanese steak >knives.
By design the serrated knives stay sharp for a very long time.
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote in >news:931a4de0-4943-48b4-9bdc-207625006565n@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help
the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes. "Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in >news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help >the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
PuckdropperThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing
side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether
the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes. "Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knifeMy experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote inThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing
news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15� - 20� is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15� is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17� but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20� is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20� guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help
the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether
the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
True, but it doesn't hurt anything to use the steel, so I don't see that as a >"problem". Like you said, a couple of quick passes and you're done.
If you always assume that the blade is wavy, you'll always feel that you've >done some useful work. ;-)
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote in >news:931a4de0-4943-48b4-9bdc-207625006565n@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help
the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote in >>news:931a4de0-4943-48b4-9bdc-207625006565n@googlegroups.com:
15� - 20� is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15� is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17� but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20� is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20� guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help >>the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
It depends on the knife. For carbon steel they perform a burnishing
function that can maintain edge sharpness. For stainless steels not
so much.
I have a diamond steel which does maintain an edge on stainless. There
are ceramic steels which do the same but are a bit fragile.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:59:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/23/2022 9:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:45:34 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/22/2022 1:14 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box for 5
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>>>>>> an Origin. ;~)
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in. Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought. >>>>>>>>>>
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>>>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool: >>>>>>>>
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has. >>>>>>
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >>>>>> assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to >>>>> sharpen good knives.
IIRC 20~25 degrees. One is for kitchen knives and the other for a
pocket knife. I keep having to check my chart when sharpening.
So the WorkSharp system works very well for my son and his wife. I have >>>> the upper end Ken Onion Work Sharp system that does more and I am
finally happy and satisfied after many styles of knife sharpeners. If >>>> you remember Nailshooter from here he is a knife collector and has one >>>> for his regular knives IIRC. He saw mine, was impressed, and bought one >>>> to charge clients to sharpen their knives.
I'll have to look into it further. SWMBO was spending big bucks to
have her knives sent out for sharpening by one of the high-price
stores (initials WS). Who they sent them to, IDK, but they'll no
longer take serrated knives. She has expensive Japanese knives (make
Lie Nielson chisels look cheap) so it's worth keeping them up.
IIRC serrated knives are only sharpened from the back side. Do check
into that. But I have to say, we have a very inexpensive set of
Tromentina serrated steak knives that we bought in Jan 2006. We throw
them in the dishwasher and they have never been resharpened.
These seem to cut as well as out 3 year old seldom used Japanese steak
knives.
By design the serrated knives stay sharp for a very long time.
I looked at the knives. Most are normal with the bevel on the
serrated side. I watched the WS demos and it's apparent from looking
at the knives and the instructions that the back of the knife just has
to be flattened. There isn't much bevel so it looks like it would
take a light touch.
Do they stay "sharp" because they're really saws? Obviously, the fine
knives are made from a good steel so that helps.
After looking at the YouTube videos on the WS system, I may get one.
For $150, it wouldn't take too many knives to break even.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote inThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing
news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at >> >> the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what >> >> they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes. >> >> "Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also >> >> use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife >> >> is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help >> >the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether
the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
True, but it doesn't hurt anything to use the steel, so I don't see that as aI thought the steel was to knock the burr off the edge.
"problem". Like you said, a couple of quick passes and you're done.
If you always assume that the blade is wavy, you'll always feel that you've >done some useful work. ;-)Or didn't do enough. ;-)
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in >news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help >the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?It depends on the knife. For carbon steel they perform a burnishing
function that can maintain edge sharpness. For stainless steels not
so much.
I have a diamond steel which does maintain an edge on stainless. There
are ceramic steels which do the same but are a bit fragile.
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:39:42 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:I thought the steel was to knock the burr off the edge.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote inThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing
news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15� - 20� is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15� is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17� but most of what >> >> >> they are cutting is fairly soft. 20� is used for most western knifes. >> >> >> "Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time.
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20� guide bracket. I also >> >> >> use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife >> >> >> is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used
for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help >> >> >the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether
the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
True, but it doesn't hurt anything to use the steel, so I don't see that as a
"problem". Like you said, a couple of quick passes and you're done.
Where did the burr come from between uses?
See my response to J. Clarke about different types of steels. (honing
vs. sharpening)
If you always assume that the blade is wavy, you'll always feel that you've >> >done some useful work. ;-)Or didn't do enough. ;-)
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 13:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:39:42 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:I thought the steel was to knock the burr off the edge.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote inThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing >> >> side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether >> >> the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at
the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time. >> >> >>
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used >> >> >> for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help
the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
True, but it doesn't hurt anything to use the steel, so I don't see that as a
"problem". Like you said, a couple of quick passes and you're done.
Where did the burr come from between uses?I understood that it came from (microscopic) rolling the edge over
during use.
See my response to J. Clarke about different types of steels. (honing
vs. sharpening)
If you always assume that the blade is wavy, you'll always feel that you'veOr didn't do enough. ;-)
done some useful work. ;-)
On 3/22/2022 1:14 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>>> an Origin. ;~)
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that >>>>>>>>>>>> corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters >>>>>>>>>>> the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs >>>>>>>>>>>> to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in.
Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to
other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen >>>>>>>> way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. >>>>>>>> They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and >>>>>>>> track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where >>>>>>>> the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered >>>>>>>> below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could >>>>>>>> stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought. >>>>>>>
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along >>>>>> side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool:
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC
routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
for 5
minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has.
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >>> assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something
in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you
slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect
angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that
away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to
sharpen good knives.
IIRC 20~25 degrees. One is for kitchen knives and the other for a
pocket knife. I keep having to check my chart when sharpening.
So the WorkSharp system works very well for my son and his wife. I have
the upper end Ken Onion Work Sharp system that does more and I am
finally happy and satisfied after many styles of knife sharpeners. If
you remember Nailshooter from here he is a knife collector and has one
for his regular knives I IRC. He saw mine, was impressed, and bought one
to charge clients to sharpen their knives.
On 3/23/2022 10:45 AM, Leon wrote:
On 3/22/2022 1:14 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:I've used a Spyderco set of ceramic sticks
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/21/2022 3:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Can't waif for the day that you take a dull tool, toss it in a box
On 3/21/2022 1:17 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:Well in tight spots..... One can use a template with a router or get >>>>>>> an Origin. ;~)
On 3/19/2022 10:46 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:Sounds like a damn expensive stop collar or rod.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:41:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/19/2022 1:18 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 12:37:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Apparently Festool has been busy designing with their SawStop >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology, and their Shaper Origin technology.
Seems they have patents on a trackless track saw, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> corrects for you.
Hummmm.
I'm not buying that one. How does the blade change course in the >>>>>>>>>>>> workpiece? I guess it could "see" the line before it enters >>>>>>>>>>>> the piece
then pull the arm in that direction, X-Y and direction. Why? >>>>>>>>>>>>
A jigsaw, I could understand.
Same for the miter saw, correction and saw stop.
Same issue.
And umm a light on a drill that knows where the light needs >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
pointed as the bit goes into the work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrcj6GcUlE
Towards the tip of the bit, obviously. ;-)
In the beginning. but the tip moves away as it goes in.
Apparently the
light stays pointed at where the bit went in.
Why? It's not going anywhere.
Well having the patent on the method/technology can lead to
other uses.
A patent on the technology used is a" weird/it aint gonna happen >>>>>>>>> way"
does not necessarily point at the tool that it could be used on. >>>>>>>>> They
figured out a way to get something to point in a direction and >>>>>>>>> track that.
For instance, still considering a drill, if they can track where >>>>>>>>> the
drill is, in relation to the surface, they could put in a laser in >>>>>>>>> instead of a regular light to track how far the bit has entered >>>>>>>>> below
the surface. Like setting a depth stop in a DP. The drill could >>>>>>>>> stop
spinning once the bit had gone a certain depth. Just a thought. >>>>>>>>
Not for everybody.
FWIW Technatool has an electronic direct drive drill press. It can be >>>>>>> programed to turn off when a certain depth has been reached. Along >>>>>>> side
the manual stop set up fount on most all drill presses.
https://www.teknatool.com/products/drill-presses/nova-voyager-dvr-drill-press/
Not for everybody.
Not something you see very often on a page for a "basic" shop tool: >>>>>>
"Click here for Firmware Upgrade"
Eventually it will be the norm, considering 3D printers, CNC
routers, etc. Smart
technology in a drill press. Who woulda thunk it? ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
for 5
minutes, and it comes out sharp and true!
This closest I've seen is the kitchen knife block that my daughter has. >>>>
Apparently/supposedly each time you remove and replace a knife into it's >>>> assigned slot, it gets a quick tune-up. There is definitely something
in the
slots because you can hear the metallic "sharpening sound" as you
slide it in.
No electronics, no firmware, just "mechanical".
Am I gullible enough to believe that all slots are set at the perfect
angle, etc.?
Not really, but she's happy with it and I'm not going to take that
away from her.
Is there a perfect angle for a kitchen knife? How does it handle
serrated knives. Those are the problems. It's hard to find anyone to >>> sharpen good knives.
IIRC 20~25 degrees. One is for kitchen knives and the other for a
pocket knife. I keep having to check my chart when sharpening.
So the WorkSharp system works very well for my son and his wife. I have
the upper end Ken Onion Work Sharp system that does more and I am
finally happy and satisfied after many styles of knife sharpeners. If
you remember Nailshooter from here he is a knife collector and has one
for his regular knives I IRC. He saw mine, was impressed, and bought one
to charge clients to sharpen their knives.
for several decades with good results for several decades and inherited
both my late father's and late father-in-law's sets which I had given
each of them as Christmas presents long ago.
One of those sets stays with my hunting knives and the other lives
at a small cabin in Colorado.
Our Faberware set of kitchen cutlery gets touched up every three
or four months and the sticks keep a pretty fair edge on a couple of 50
year old wooden handled Chicago Cutlery knives; the hunting knives at
the beginning of deer season and before every deer for those years when
there are more than one.
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 13:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:39:42 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:I thought the steel was to knock the burr off the edge.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote inThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing >>>>> side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether >>>>> the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at >>>>>>> the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what >>>>>>> they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes. >>>>>>> "Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time. >>>>>>>
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also >>>>>>> use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife >>>>>>> is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used >>>>>>> for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help >>>>>> the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
True, but it doesn't hurt anything to use the steel, so I don't see that as a
"problem". Like you said, a couple of quick passes and you're done.
Where did the burr come from between uses?
I understood that it came from (microscopic) rolling the edge over
during use.
See my response to J. Clarke about different types of steels. (honing
vs. sharpening)
If you always assume that the blade is wavy, you'll always feel that you'veOr didn't do enough. ;-)
done some useful work. ;-)
On 3/25/2022 10:04 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 13:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:39:42 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:23:52 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:I thought the steel was to knock the burr off the edge.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:16:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote inThe steel is to straighten the edge of the knife, two passes changing >>>>> side to side is all it takes. Problem being is you can not see whether >>>>> the knife needs it or not, unless you have a microscope.
news:931a4de0-4943-48b4...@googlegroups.com:
15° - 20° is the "standard" for chef's knifes, although 15° is at >>>>>>> the very low end of durability.
Japanese chef's tend to sharpen their knifes at 17° but most of what
they are cutting is fairly soft. 20° is used for most western knifes.
"Tomato sharp" but durable enough to last a decent amount of time. >>>>>>>
I use the Work Sharp WSKTS which provides a 20° guide bracket. I also
use a steel before each use.
The WSKTS has a guide for serrated knifes, but my only serrated knife
is our bread knife which never seems to get dull. It is *only* used >>>>>>> for bread.
My experiences with steels have been that they don't do anything to help
the edge. Maybe I'm using the steel wrong?
Puckdropper
True, but it doesn't hurt anything to use the steel, so I don't see that as a
"problem". Like you said, a couple of quick passes and you're done.
Where did the burr come from between uses?
I understood that it came from (microscopic) rolling the edge over
during use.
See my response to J. Clarke about different types of steels. (honing
vs. sharpening)
You might be confusing the burr when sharpening a scraper to one that is created during the sharpening of a knife.
If you always assume that the blade is wavy, you'll always feel that you'veOr didn't do enough. ;-)
done some useful work. ;-)
When sharpening a scraper you actually want to create a burr.
Typically you also get a burr when sharpening a knife and that is
normally removed by simply cutting directly and lightly in to a piece of wood.
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