• Re: Fourth London airport

    From Ulf Kutzner@21:1/5 to Bill on Wed Feb 15 00:30:03 2023
    Bill schrieb am Mittwoch, 29. August 2012 um 17:41:47 UTC+2:
    On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:54:51 +0100, "JohnT" <johns...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    "tim....." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >news:aa6lhf...@mid.individual.net...
    "Bill" wrote in message
    news:1jur38tp112uiudp7...@4ax.com...

    Any one got any ideas or alternatives to either a third Heathrow
    runway (Gawd help us all, a bigger and even less efficient Heathrow)
    or 'Boris Island' in the Thames Estuary, which would cost as much as
    our nuclear deterrent replacement...

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    I think that we should build a second runway at Gatwick.

    It will affect a tiny fraction of the people that the extra runway at LHR >> will affect and already has better rail connections and serves a more
    populous non London catchment than STN.

    I agree with Simon Jenkins from what someone posted on a different group >> this morning:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/28/heathrow-third-runway-big-willy-politics

    That is, we do not need extra runways to create a bigger hub. If the aim >> of the extra runway is to create growth then that growth is not helped one >> tiny little bit by people in-lining airside. if (however) London business >> does need more runway capacity for origination and terminating passengers >> that does not need to be at LHR and LGW is just as good IMHO


    But a second runway at Gatwick is not possible until 2019 at the earliest:

    "The construction of any new runway at Gatwick is ruled out before August >2019 by a legal agreement between BAA and West Sussex County Council. The >agreement applies to whoever owns Gatwick, and could only be overturned by >legislation which would need to be passed by both Houses of Parliament. The >House of Lords might well refuse to pass such a Bill.
    The legal agreement merely reflects the physical constraints of the site. >They will remain when the agreement expires."

    I am aware that BAA no longer own LGW, but that does not in any way affect >the legal agreement.

    I'm prone to 'Boris Island' myself, although I notice the 'third
    runway at Heathrow' rhetoric has changed somewhat in the past week.

    They started out talking about more flights to the Far East, and that
    changed to 'More flights to China' when someone mentioned that about
    10% of flights to India has stopped flying in the past two years...

    My opinion is that what we need are more long haul scheduled flights
    flying from provincial airports.

    Why are there no scheduled flights to India from Leed/Bradford or
    Manchester or Birmingham? Both have significant Indian populations.

    Short runway. Well, PIA operated an Islamabad service until 2014,
    maybe with refueling?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_Bradford_Airport#1995_to_date
    says nonstop. Maybe without full load.

    By the way, Air India just ordered lots of Boeing and Airbus aircraft
    for international hub operation in India.

    Regards, ULF

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