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  • Defending Champion England is mighty disappointing in this WC2023

    From FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 21 06:44:35 2023
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    Defending Champion England is set to lose to South Africa today.

    SA amassed 399/7

    England is 24/3 in 5.1 overs now.

    From now England HAS TO WIN every one of their remaining matches
    including vs stronger teams Australia, Pakistan and India to make the
    Semis UNLESS other stronger teams in the top 5 fuck up their chances
    which is UNLIKELY.

    I think it is pretty much CURTAINS for England in this World Cup 2023.

    England mightily disappointed in this ODI World Cup.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/england-vs-south-africa-20th-match-1384411/full-scorecard

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  • From FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sat Oct 21 11:15:08 2023
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    On 10/21/2023 10:50 AM, John Hall wrote:
    In message <uh0kk6$1pgh7$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes

    Defending Champion England is set to lose to South Africa today.

    SA amassed 399/7

    England is 24/3 in 5.1 overs now.

    From now England HAS TO WIN every one of their remaining matches
    including vs stronger teams Australia, Pakistan and India to make the
    Semis UNLESS other stronger teams in the top 5 fuck up their chances
    which is UNLIKELY.

    I think it is pretty much CURTAINS for England in this World Cup 2023.

    England mightily disappointed in this ODI World Cup.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-136785
    6/england-vs-south-africa-20th-match-1384411/full-scorecard




    I can't disagree with any of that. Our NRR is marginally better than Afghanistan's at this point, which is all that keeps us from the bottom
    of the table.

    Yet another mistaken decision at the toss. Buttler did admit after the
    match that, given how hot and humid it was, it might have been better to
    bat first. Topley's injury and Willey's cramp late on didn't help, but
    SA were so massively superior that probably none of that affected the
    result. England played well for the first 6 overs of the match and the
    last 8 or so when Wood and Atkinson had some fun, but in between they
    were pretty poor, with the last 10 overs of SA's innings being a total
    horror show.



    I think Butler really fucked up with his decision to FIELD after winning
    the toss.

    It also APPEARS that England team management DIDN'T prepare well in
    terms of tactics especially in a VERY CRUCIAL MUST WIN GAME for England
    to stay in the semis race.

    Butler chose to FIELD based on a sample of four matches and moreover he
    DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER the weather AS A FACTOR at all.




    Columnist Matt Roller:

    England were simply exhausted, and not for a lack of basic fitness. "It certainly looked a bit like a warzone there at times," Mott said. The
    problem stemmed from Buttler's choice to bowl first when he won the
    toss, a decision he explained by saying: "[This is] generally a good
    ground for chasing, so that's the reason behind it."

    But like so many decisions England have made in this World Cup, the
    explanation relied more on the past than the present and the future.
    England wandered out to field at 2pm, when Mumbai's heat and humidity
    were at their most oppressive. It was a simple recipe for disaster: 11 Englishmen, left in the pan for four hours until fried to a crisp.

    The evidence underlying Buttler's assertion was scant. Chasing teams had
    a 75% win record in men's ODIs at the Wankhede over the past decade, but
    the sample size was all of four matches. There is a strong chasing bias
    in the IPL, but the physical requirements of 90 minutes in the field in
    the evening are hardly comparable to a full afternoon in the blazing sun.

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america. on Sat Oct 21 18:50:07 2023
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    In message <uh0kk6$1pgh7$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes

    Defending Champion England is set to lose to South Africa today.

    SA amassed 399/7

    England is 24/3 in 5.1 overs now.

    From now England HAS TO WIN every one of their remaining matches
    including vs stronger teams Australia, Pakistan and India to make the
    Semis UNLESS other stronger teams in the top 5 fuck up their chances
    which is UNLIKELY.

    I think it is pretty much CURTAINS for England in this World Cup 2023.

    England mightily disappointed in this ODI World Cup.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-136785 >6/england-vs-south-africa-20th-match-1384411/full-scorecard




    I can't disagree with any of that. Our NRR is marginally better than Afghanistan's at this point, which is all that keeps us from the bottom
    of the table.

    Yet another mistaken decision at the toss. Buttler did admit after the
    match that, given how hot and humid it was, it might have been better to
    bat first. Topley's injury and Willey's cramp late on didn't help, but
    SA were so massively superior that probably none of that affected the
    result. England played well for the first 6 overs of the match and the
    last 8 or so when Wood and Atkinson had some fun, but in between they
    were pretty poor, with the last 10 overs of SA's innings being a total
    horror show.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to mike on Sun Oct 22 16:46:21 2023
    In message <b874c175-a4e7-4fcb-921e-0000644ab8d5n@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:53:340 >> In message <uh0kk6$1pgh7$1...@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
    <FBInCIAnNSATe...@america.com> writes

    Defending Champion England is set to lose to South Africa today.

    SA amassed 399/7

    England is 24/3 in 5.1 overs now.

    From now England HAS TO WIN every one of their remaining matches
    including vs stronger teams Australia, Pakistan and India to make the
    Semis UNLESS other stronger teams in the top 5 fuck up their chances
    which is UNLIKELY.

    I think it is pretty much CURTAINS for England in this World Cup 2023.

    England mightily disappointed in this ODI World Cup.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-136785
    6/england-vs-south-africa-20th-match-1384411/full-scorecard



    I can't disagree with any of that. Our NRR is marginally better than
    Afghanistan's at this point, which is all that keeps us from the bottom
    of the table.

    Yet another mistaken decision at the toss. Buttler did admit after the
    match that, given how hot and humid it was, it might have been better to
    bat first.

    theres a song only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the mid day sun.
    Maybe it was past midday, but they certainly looked cooked by the end.
    does buttler make these daft decisions on his own?

    I imagine he would discuss it with Matthew Mott at the very least, and
    perhaps with Moeen, Stokes and Root as well. None of them would have to
    do any quick bowling, of course. It seems it was largely based on the
    side batting second winning 75% of recent games at the venue, but that
    was from a sample of just four games. I'm not even sure that they were
    ODIs, and of course T20 games are very different.

    i cant believe the
    bolwers were queuing up shouting bowl first! I'm also surprised that
    ali hasnt played in either of these last 2 games.

    In the game against Afghanistan, it seems they made a choice between him
    and Livingstone. In the event, the pitch helped the spinners motre than
    they anticipated, and they could have done with both of them. For the SA
    game, it seems they decided to go with a pace-heavy attack, as the pitch
    had some pace and bounce and didn't seem likely to assist the spinners
    much. It meant that they had a short batting line-up, with Willey coming
    in at 7. If he HAD played, then Atkinson might have been the one to miss
    out, which wouldn't have been ideal. With a crystal ball, Moeen or
    Livingstone would have played instead of Wood.


    from world champions to whipping boys, its gonna be a tough
    time for them. the rest will be waiting to stuff them for sure.

    Indeed. They need to win all five remaining matches to have a good
    chance of qualifying. Topley's broken finger doesn't help, as he's
    looked their best pace bowler. They should beat SL and the Netherlands,
    though even that is not guaranteed, but India, Australia and Pakistan
    will be tough.

    ATM, the four semi-finalists look likely to be India, NZ, SA and either Australia or Pakistan.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sun Oct 22 08:25:57 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:53:34 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
    In message <uh0kk6$1pgh7$1...@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATe...@america.com> writes

    Defending Champion England is set to lose to South Africa today.

    SA amassed 399/7

    England is 24/3 in 5.1 overs now.

    From now England HAS TO WIN every one of their remaining matches
    including vs stronger teams Australia, Pakistan and India to make the >Semis UNLESS other stronger teams in the top 5 fuck up their chances
    which is UNLIKELY.

    I think it is pretty much CURTAINS for England in this World Cup 2023.

    England mightily disappointed in this ODI World Cup.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-136785 >6/england-vs-south-africa-20th-match-1384411/full-scorecard



    I can't disagree with any of that. Our NRR is marginally better than Afghanistan's at this point, which is all that keeps us from the bottom
    of the table.

    Yet another mistaken decision at the toss. Buttler did admit after the
    match that, given how hot and humid it was, it might have been better to
    bat first.

    theres a song only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the mid day sun.
    Maybe it was past midday, but they certainly looked cooked by the end.
    does buttler make these daft decisions on his own? i cant believe the
    bolwers were queuing up shouting bowl first! I'm also surprised that
    ali hasnt played in either of these last 2 games.

    from world champions to whipping boys, its gonna be a tough
    time for them. the rest will be waiting to stuff them for sure.

    mike

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to John Hall on Mon Oct 23 13:04:03 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:48:12 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
    In message <b874c175-a4e7-4fcb...@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 6:53:340 >> In message <uh0kk6$1pgh7$1...@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
    <FBInCIAnNSATe...@america.com> writes

    Defending Champion England is set to lose to South Africa today.

    SA amassed 399/7

    England is 24/3 in 5.1 overs now.

    From now England HAS TO WIN every one of their remaining matches
    including vs stronger teams Australia, Pakistan and India to make the
    Semis UNLESS other stronger teams in the top 5 fuck up their chances
    which is UNLIKELY.

    I think it is pretty much CURTAINS for England in this World Cup 2023. >> >
    England mightily disappointed in this ODI World Cup.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-136785 >> >6/england-vs-south-africa-20th-match-1384411/full-scorecard



    I can't disagree with any of that. Our NRR is marginally better than
    Afghanistan's at this point, which is all that keeps us from the bottom >> of the table.

    Yet another mistaken decision at the toss. Buttler did admit after the
    match that, given how hot and humid it was, it might have been better to >> bat first.

    theres a song only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the mid day sun. >Maybe it was past midday, but they certainly looked cooked by the end. >does buttler make these daft decisions on his own?
    I imagine he would discuss it with Matthew Mott at the very least, and perhaps with Moeen, Stokes and Root as well. None of them would have to
    do any quick bowling, of course. It seems it was largely based on the
    side batting second winning 75% of recent games at the venue, but that
    was from a sample of just four games. I'm not even sure that they were
    ODIs, and of course T20 games are very different.
    i cant believe the
    bolwers were queuing up shouting bowl first! I'm also surprised that
    ali hasnt played in either of these last 2 games.
    In the game against Afghanistan, it seems they made a choice between him
    and Livingstone. In the event, the pitch helped the spinners motre than
    they anticipated, and they could have done with both of them. For the SA game, it seems they decided to go with a pace-heavy attack, as the pitch
    had some pace and bounce and didn't seem likely to assist the spinners
    much. It meant that they had a short batting line-up, with Willey coming
    in at 7. If he HAD played, then Atkinson might have been the one to miss out, which wouldn't have been ideal. With a crystal ball, Moeen or Livingstone would have played instead of Wood.

    from world champions to whipping boys, its gonna be a tough
    time for them. the rest will be waiting to stuff them for sure.
    Indeed. They need to win all five remaining matches to have a good
    chance of qualifying. Topley's broken finger doesn't help, as he's
    looked their best pace bowler. They should beat SL and the Netherlands, though even that is not guaranteed, but India, Australia and Pakistan
    will be tough.


    if they keep fielding first theyll find it tough to beat anyone, although i dont expect it be quite as hot and humid in bangelore

    ATM, the four semi-finalists look likely to be India, NZ, SA and either Australia or Pakistan.

    yep, but afghans beating pakistan, which for me seems more of a surprise
    than beating england in india, has given Oz a better chance, especially
    if they pulverise the dutch and raise their NRR which acts like an extra point.

    mike

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to mike on Mon Oct 23 21:21:34 2023
    In message <d1143b72-7ccb-4ef4-8c1f-4060038b1ad1n@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:48:120 <big snip>

    ATM, the four semi-finalists look likely to be India, NZ, SA and either
    Australia or Pakistan.

    yep, but afghans beating pakistan, which for me seems more of a surprise
    than beating england in india, has given Oz a better chance, especially
    if they pulverise the dutch and raise their NRR which acts like an extra point.

    mike


    Yep. And it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Afghanistan
    could sneak into the top four. Their next two matches are against SL and
    the Netherlands, both of which they are in with a good chance of
    winning. If they do, they'll be feeling very confident. They will
    probably need to win both of their last two games, against Australia and
    SA, though, which is a very long shot. Still, the Dutch have already
    beaten SA, so who knows?
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
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  • From mike@21:1/5 to John Hall on Mon Oct 23 14:59:44 2023
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:30:04 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
    In message <d1143b72-7ccb-4ef4...@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:48:120 <big snip>

    ATM, the four semi-finalists look likely to be India, NZ, SA and either >> Australia or Pakistan.

    yep, but afghans beating pakistan, which for me seems more of a surprise >than beating england in india, has given Oz a better chance, especially
    if they pulverise the dutch and raise their NRR which acts like an extra point.

    mike

    Yep. And it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Afghanistan
    could sneak into the top four. Their next two matches are against SL and
    the Netherlands, both of which they are in with a good chance of
    winning. If they do, they'll be feeling very confident. They will
    probably need to win both of their last two games, against Australia and
    SA, though, which is a very long shot. Still, the Dutch have already
    beaten SA, so who knows?

    this is why i like this format! the matches themselves may be 1 sided but theres still everything to play for. probably the Dutch SL bangles and england are now too far behind the rest and england have got so muddled by stats, theyve
    lost all common sense it seems. Now Topleys out, theyve sent for Carse,
    but Archer is in india with them i read, but presumably not fit; but why have
    a reserve who is unfit? why not have carse with them instead?

    mike

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to mike on Tue Oct 24 10:01:11 2023
    In message <77ee4642-bf81-4d07-beac-258b70385a04n@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:30:040 >> In message <d1143b72-7ccb-4ef4...@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:48:120 <big snip>

    ATM, the four semi-finalists look likely to be India, NZ, SA and either >> >> Australia or Pakistan.

    yep, but afghans beating pakistan, which for me seems more of a surprise
    than beating england in india, has given Oz a better chance, especially
    if they pulverise the dutch and raise their NRR which acts like an
    extra point.

    mike

    Yep. And it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Afghanistan
    could sneak into the top four. Their next two matches are against SL and
    the Netherlands, both of which they are in with a good chance of
    winning. If they do, they'll be feeling very confident. They will
    probably need to win both of their last two games, against Australia and
    SA, though, which is a very long shot. Still, the Dutch have already
    beaten SA, so who knows?

    this is why i like this format! the matches themselves may be 1 sided but >theres still everything to play for. probably the Dutch SL bangles and england
    are now too far behind the rest

    Afghanistan must regret being beaten by the Bangles. It was always
    likely that they would lose to India and NZ, but had they won against Bangladesh they would now have 3 wins and 2 defeats rather than the
    other way around, and would have been in with a real chance of making
    the semis.

    and england have got so muddled by stats, theyve
    lost all common sense it seems. Now Topleys out, theyve sent for Carse,
    but Archer is in india with them i read, but presumably not fit; but why have >a reserve who is unfit? why not have carse with them instead?

    mike

    It does seem odd. Presumably they thought they could keep a better eye
    on his rehab work if he was with them. Or maybe they were clinging to
    the hope that he would improve enough over the first couple of weeks in
    India to come into contention. Apparently he's now gone home.

    It will be tough for Carse to quickly adapt to Indian conditions, and
    he'll no doubt be fit but not match fit.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
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  • From mike@21:1/5 to John Hall on Wed Oct 25 08:45:56 2023
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:06:59 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
    In message <77ee4642-bf81-4d07...@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 9:30:040 >> In message <d1143b72-7ccb-4ef4...@googlegroups.com>,
    mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:48:120 <big snip>

    ATM, the four semi-finalists look likely to be India, NZ, SA and either
    Australia or Pakistan.

    yep, but afghans beating pakistan, which for me seems more of a surprise >> >than beating england in india, has given Oz a better chance, especially >> >if they pulverise the dutch and raise their NRR which acts like an
    extra point.


    well they certainly did just that. I thought the top 4 would be India, Oz,NZ and RSA,
    although theres still enough matches left for some surprises. And lewis,s record finally
    falls to Leede, mainly due to the mighty maxwell, and that was quite a shout.

    mike

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