• A new problem for EV owners: they can get imprisoned in their OWN CARS!

    From TomS@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 16 09:44:04 2022
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a mechanical latch used in all other vehicles. Loss of power means this mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by
    normal means. These cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 16 10:05:19 2022
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.

    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)

    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL! https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 16 10:11:05 2022
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL! https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 16 10:21:44 2022
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine? >>
    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!

    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee
    reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)


    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Oct 16 18:56:54 2022
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front >> of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These >>> cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also >> make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee
    reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 16 20:01:13 2022
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front >>>> of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These >>>>> cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know >>>>> where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also >>>> make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee
    reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!

    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all.

    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 16 20:02:17 2022
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 9:56:55 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >> located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These >>> cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know >>> where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the >>> time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of >> manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...
    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!

    Funny this topic…because how is it really any different than what’s
    been on ICE cars for the past decade?

    Specifically, electric door locks, which deny override.

    -hh

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 17 11:49:28 2022
    TomS wrote:

    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!

    Why does that matter as long as there is an emergency alternative?

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 17 11:46:38 2022
    TomS wrote:

    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles. Loss of power means this mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!

    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/


    Design flaw.

    Safety organisations should take this seriously.

    Not really an argument against EV's per se but an unsafe implementation.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Oct 17 21:44:30 2022
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>> located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass >>>>> used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These >>>>> cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know >>>>> where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the >>>>> time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual >>>> door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford >>>> Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of >>>> manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee
    reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front >> of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all.

    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 17 21:49:45 2022
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front >>>>>> of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>>>> located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass >>>>>>> used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These >>>>>>> cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know >>>>>>> where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the >>>>>>> time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was
    trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died, >>>>>> leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual >>>>>> door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford >>>>>> Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of >>>>>> manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.'

    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all
    gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee
    reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front >>>> of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all.

    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!

    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Oct 17 22:12:32 2022
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>>>> located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass >>>>>>> used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know >>>>>>> where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the >>>>>>> time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was >>>>>> trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died, >>>>>> leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have
    immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual >>>>>> door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford >>>>>> Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of >>>>>> manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.' >>>>>>
    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all >>>>>> gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee >>>> reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>> located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all.

    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!
    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

    Read the article, Fool.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 17 22:17:32 2022
    On 2022-10-17 22:12, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>>>>>> located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass >>>>>>>>> used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These >>>>>>>>> cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know >>>>>>>>> where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the >>>>>>>>> time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL!
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was >>>>>>>> trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died, >>>>>>>> leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have >>>>>>>> immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual >>>>>>>> door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford >>>>>>>> Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of >>>>>>>> manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.' >>>>>>>>
    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all >>>>>>>> gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee >>>>>> reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front >>>>>> of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>>>> located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have...

    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all.

    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!
    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

    Read the article, Fool.

    I did.

    You said there was no mechanical latch.

    But there is.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Oct 18 18:29:00 2022
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:17:36 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 22:12, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass >>>>>>>>> used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL! >>>>>>>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was >>>>>>>> trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died, >>>>>>>> leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have >>>>>>>> immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.' >>>>>>>>
    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all >>>>>>>> gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee >>>>>> reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>>>> located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have... >>>>>
    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all. >>>>
    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!
    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

    Read the article, Fool.
    I did.

    You said there was no mechanical latch.

    But there is.

    Hey Fool, you are an IDIOT! I wrote:
    "cars do have an emergency mechanical override"
    Apparently, they don't teach you to read in Canada.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Tue Oct 18 18:38:30 2022
    On 2022-10-18 18:29, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:17:36 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 22:12, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>>>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass >>>>>>>>>>> used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the >>>>>>>>>>> time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL! >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was >>>>>>>>>> trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died, >>>>>>>>>> leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have >>>>>>>>>> immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual >>>>>>>>>> door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford >>>>>>>>>> Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.' >>>>>>>>>>
    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all >>>>>>>>>> gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee >>>>>>>> reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is >>>>>>>> located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have... >>>>>>>
    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all. >>>>>>
    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!
    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

    Read the article, Fool.
    I did.

    You said there was no mechanical latch.

    But there is.

    Hey Fool, you are an IDIOT! I wrote:
    "cars do have an emergency mechanical override"
    Apparently, they don't teach you to read in Canada.

    So then you knew your subject line:

    "they can get imprisoned in their OWN CARS!"

    ...was a lie when you wrote it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Oct 29 16:45:34 2022
    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-18 18:29, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:17:36 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 22:12, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL! >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was >>>>>>>>>> trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died,
    leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have >>>>>>>>>> immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.' >>>>>>>>>>
    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all >>>>>>>>>> gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee
    reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have... >>>>>>>
    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all. >>>>>>
    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!
    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a
    mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

    Read the article, Fool.
    I did.

    You said there was no mechanical latch.

    But there is.

    Hey Fool, you are an IDIOT! I wrote:
    "cars do have an emergency mechanical override"
    Apparently, they don't teach you to read in Canada.
    So then you knew your subject line:

    "they can get imprisoned in their OWN CARS!"

    ...was a lie when you wrote it.

    Nope, Fool. Unlike you, I PROVED IT!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Sat Oct 29 19:10:18 2022
    On 2022-10-29 16:45, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 6:38:33 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-18 18:29, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:17:36 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 22:12, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 9:49:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-17 21:44, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:01:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-16 18:56, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-10-16 10:11, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-10-16 09:44, TomS wrote:
    The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.
    Really? Got any proof of this?

    Because your article says:

    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver
    could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla
    Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'

    The "manual door release lever" would have to be mechanical, right Sunshine?

    :-)
    Loss of power means this
    mechanism will no longer work. On top of that, the laminated glass
    used in many of these vehicles can't be broken by normal means. These
    cars do have an emergency mechanical override, but if you don't know
    where it is you won't have time to read the owner's manual when the
    time comes. One car requires you to remove a SPEAKER GRILL! >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/how-to-escape-your-car-if-the-electronic-door-release-fails-a8152892189/
    Sunshine...

    ...that article is not just about electric cars:

    'Four years ago, the 75-year-old owner of a 2006 Cadillac XLR was >>>>>>>>>>>> trapped inside of his vehicle for 14 hours after its battery died, >>>>>>>>>>>> leaving the electronic door releases inoperable. He could have >>>>>>>>>>>> immediately released himself had he known the location of the manual
    door release.

    ...

    Other vehicles—including the Audi E-Tron, Chevrolet Corvette, Ford
    Mustang Mach-E, Lexus NX, and the discontinued Lincoln Continental—also
    make use of electronic door releases. They also all have some sort of
    manual release mechanism that may not be immediately apparent.' >>>>>>>>>>>>
    The Chevrolet Corvette, Lexus NX, and Lincoln Continental are all >>>>>>>>>>>> gas-powered vehicles.

    Boy, you must have been sitting around your computer for DAYS waiting for me to post! GET A LIFE!!
    LOL!

    No, Sunshine. It's Sunday morning and I'm enjoying my morning coffee >>>>>>>>>> reading the foolish things you write.

    :-)

    ANY car that has an electrical release has this issue, but ALL EVs do, Fool.
    'For example, the driver of the Tesla that caught fire in Vancouver >>>>>>>>>> could have used a manual door release lever located immediately in front
    of the electronic door release button. The image below from a Tesla >>>>>>>>>> Model Y owner’s manual shows where the manual door release lever is
    located and how to use it.'
    So the Model Y doesn't have the issue you claim "ALL EVs" have... >>>>>>>>>
    HA HA HA HA!

    Yes, IT DOES! The primary mechanism is ELECTRICAL, Fool!!
    As is the primary mechanism in lots of cars, Sunshine.

    The point is that you claimed there was no mechanical system at all. >>>>>>>>
    You were wrong.

    Why fight that fact?

    Hey Fool, you don't have much intellect, do you? Because that IS NOT what I claimed - go read it, AGAIN!
    Really?

    This isn't a direct quote:

    'The door latch mechanisms are electrically driven as opposed to a >>>>>> mechanical latch used in all other vehicles.'?

    But there is a mechanical latch, right Sunshine?

    Read the article, Fool.
    I did.

    You said there was no mechanical latch.

    But there is.

    Hey Fool, you are an IDIOT! I wrote:
    "cars do have an emergency mechanical override"
    Apparently, they don't teach you to read in Canada.
    So then you knew your subject line:

    "they can get imprisoned in their OWN CARS!"

    ...was a lie when you wrote it.

    Nope, Fool. Unlike you, I PROVED IT!

    No.

    Your own article showed that your claim was false.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)