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  • Re: But...but...didn't Alabama just beat Georgia?

    From leonard hofstatder@21:1/5 to The NOTBCS Guy on Tue Jan 9 15:06:28 2024
    On 1/9/2024 1:28 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Strange that, after Alabama lost in OT to the eventual national champion, not only did both the coaches' and sportswriters' polls put Texas ahead of Alabama, but they both put Georgia ahead of Alabama as well.


    They continually prove that the polls mean diddly squat.

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  • From Wallace@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 22:12:18 2024
    On 09 Jan 2024, leonard hofstatder <n.nut@comcast.net> posted some news:unkcgk$257d5$1@dont-email.me:

    On 1/9/2024 1:28 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Strange that, after Alabama lost in OT to the eventual national
    champion, not only did both the coaches' and sportswriters' polls put
    Texas ahead of Alabama, but they both put Georgia ahead of Alabama as
    well.


    They continually prove that the polls mean diddly squat.

    Hillary Clinton can attest to that!

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to JGibson on Wed Jan 10 07:34:30 2024
    On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 14:30:27 -0800 (PST), JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:10:17?PM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:28:33?PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Strange that, after Alabama lost in OT to the eventual national champion, not only did both the coaches' and sportswriters' polls put Texas ahead of Alabama, but they both put Georgia ahead of Alabama as well.
    It is inevitable that by the end of the college football season, there are going to be teams ranked ahead of teams that beat
    them. There was only on team that went undefeated and they are on top. Everybody else got beat by somebody else but
    there is no way to rank teams without a team being ranked behind a team they beat. Should Oklahoma be ranked ahead of
    Texas because they beat they?

    But in this case, the logic of the AP poll makes little sense. Alabama was ranked ahead of Georgia in the last poll. Alabama's only loss since that poll was to the #1 team in overtime.

    One of the weknesses of the polls has always been "you lose. you drop, you win, you stay or go up". Who you lost to or beat is secondary. It's how
    TCUs and FSUs get over-ranked. Numerous other exmples. The times that doesn't happen is almost always pollster bias, which is another weakness in the
    polls. It was always better to lose early so you can recover as the season progresses.

    AP poll bias was actually researched in an academic study ten years ago. The conclusions were voters favored teams from their area, teams in large
    market areas were favored, teams watched on national tv were favored, and W-L records were voted up or down with little knowledge of the team or
    schedule.

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to JGibson on Wed Jan 10 15:45:01 2024
    On 2024-01-09, JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 2:28:33 PM UTC-5, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
    Strange that, after Alabama lost in OT to the eventual national champion, not only did both the coaches' and sportswriters' polls put Texas ahead of Alabama, but they both put Georgia ahead of Alabama as well.

    Based on the playoff results themselves, you would think, it would be:
    #1 Michigan
    #2 Alabama
    #3 Washington
    #4 Texas

    Then we can argue about the rest or argue about whether Georgia
    should be ahead of Texas, but Michigan was marginally better than
    Alabama and significantly better than Washington.

    These differences were small, really. Remember, the score of the Michigan- Washington game was 20-13 at the beginning of the fourth quarter --
    one turnover could have changed everything. I agree that Michigan was
    having the better of the line play, but one blown coverage and it
    could have been tied. Where it goes from there, who knows.

    I agree it is probably better to rank Alabama ahead of UGA and perhaps
    ahead of Texas, but the differences are small and voting differently
    is certainly defensible.

    --
    I have a cop friend who thinks he ought be able to give a new ticket;
    "too dumb for conditions".

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