Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

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JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:

Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's
go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

I know it’s a rebuilding year with a new coach, but #11 and behind Duke and Wake is a tough pill to swallow. At least I can take consolation that UVA
is last I guess.

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On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:27:54 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:

JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's
go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

I know it’s a rebuilding year with a new coach, but #11 and behind Duke and
Wake is a tough pill to swallow. At least I can take consolation that UVA
is last I guess.

There's a major article on espn.com right now about what happened at VaTech. The thing that I don't quite get from that article - most of the blame seems to be aimed at Fuente, but when they discuss not recruiting at Michael Vick's high school, if I did
my math right, that goes back to the last few years of Beamer.

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JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:27:54 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:

JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's
go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

I know it’s a rebuilding year with a new coach, but #11 and behind Duke and
Wake is a tough pill to swallow. At least I can take consolation that UVA
is last I guess.

There's a major article on espn.com right now about what happened at
VaTech. The thing that I don't quite get from that article - most of the blame seems to be aimed at Fuente, but when they discuss not recruiting
at Michael Vick's high school, if I did my math right, that goes back to
the last few years of Beamer.

I read the article this afternoon too, it wasn’t that well structured. But the message I got about Fuente was that he was a victim of institutional dysfunction and too many powerful people in the athletic department who couldn’t or wouldn’t move on from Beamer. I don’t see that as blaming Fuente.

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On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-4, JGibson wrote:

Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

Updated with 15 in the consensus instead of 5:
1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. N.C. State
7. Louisville
8. Duke
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

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On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 2:23:43 PM UTC-4, xyzzy wrote:

JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-4, JGibson wrote:

Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's >> go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

Updated with 15 in the consensus instead of 5:
1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. N.C. State
7. Louisville
8. Duke
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

So NC Stqte and Duke switched spots?

Oh, yep. I was thinking it was three changes, but #6 and #8 flipping is all.

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JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-4, JGibson wrote:

Overall consensus not much different from AP or coaches' poll, so let's
go right to the conferences.

(from football.stassen.com)

1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Duke
7. Louisville
8. N.C. State
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

Updated with 15 in the consensus instead of 5:
1. Clemson
2. Florida State
3. North Carolina
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. N.C. State
7. Louisville
8. Duke
9. Wake Forest
10. Syracuse
11. Virginia Tech
12. Boston College
13. Georgia Tech
14. Virginia

So NC Stqte and Duke switched spots?

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