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  • Previous times two teams from same first round group made the SF

    From MH@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 13:47:53 2022
    1954 W. Germany and Hungary , and everyone knows what happened. 1
    win apiece

    1962 Czechoslovakia and Brazil. Drew in group, Brazil won in the final

    1982 Italy and Poland. Poland won the group (they drew), Italy won
    the SF

    1994 Brazil and Sweden. Draw in group, Brazil won the SF.

    2002 Brazil and Turkey. Brazil won both, albeit not easily

    Weird that the last three times the two teams from the same group made
    the SF they had to play each other again before the final. This really
    should not happen in a proper bracket. I attribute the 2002 bracket to
    wanting to keep Korea and Japan playing in their own country for as long
    as possible. 1982 was just a bad system to start with, but they could
    easily have made the winners of the Germany first round group play the
    winners of the Italy one, and the Winners of the France group play the
    Poland one, if they had though about it. 1994 I have no explanation.


    2022. Croatia and Morocco can only meet each other in the final. Does
    not seem all that likely, but you never know.

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 13:59:12 2022
    On 2022-12-12 13:47, MH wrote:
    1954   W. Germany and Hungary  , and everyone knows what happened.   1 win apiece

    1962   Czechoslovakia and Brazil.  Drew in group, Brazil won in the final

    1982   Italy and Poland.   Poland won the group (they drew), Italy won the SF

    1994   Brazil and Sweden.  Draw in group, Brazil won the SF.

    2002   Brazil and Turkey.  Brazil won both, albeit not easily

    Weird that the last three times the two teams from the same group made
    the SF they had to play each other again before the final. This really
    should not happen in a proper bracket. I attribute the 2002 bracket to wanting to keep Korea and Japan playing in their own country for as long
    as possible.  1982 was just a bad system to start with, but they could easily have made the winners of the Germany first round

    SECOND round.

    group play the
    winners of the Italy one, and the Winners of the France group play the
    Poland one, if they had though about it.    1994 I have no explanation.


    2022.  Croatia and Morocco can only meet each other in the final.  Does
    not seem all that likely, but you never know.



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  • From MH@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 14:04:57 2022
    On 2022-12-12 13:47, MH wrote:
    1954   W. Germany and Hungary  , and everyone knows what happened.   1 win apiece

    Hold on there, Austria and Uruguay, the other semifinalists, were also
    in the same group.

    1962   Czechoslovakia and Brazil.  Drew in group, Brazil won in the final

    1982   Italy and Poland.   Poland won the group (they drew), Italy won the SF

    1994   Brazil and Sweden.  Draw in group, Brazil won the SF.

    2002   Brazil and Turkey.  Brazil won both, albeit not easily

    Weird that the last three times the two teams from the same group made
    the SF they had to play each other again before the final. This really
    should not happen in a proper bracket. I attribute the 2002 bracket to wanting to keep Korea and Japan playing in their own country for as long
    as possible.  1982 was just a bad system to start with, but they could easily have made the winners of the Germany first round group play the winners of the Italy one, and the Winners of the France group play the
    Poland one, if they had though about it.    1994 I have no explanation.


    2022.  Croatia and Morocco can only meet each other in the final.  Does
    not seem all that likely, but you never know.



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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 01:13:33 2022
    Le 12/12/2022, MH a supposé :

    1994 I have no explanation.

    24 teams, some groups with three finalists so at least two of
    the three are in the same part of final tree.

    But in this case, Brazil and Sweden were in a group from where
    only two teams qualified. Strange idea to put them in the same
    part.

    --
    Ixion

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to ixion martin - GdBx on Tue Dec 13 13:28:43 2022
    On 2022-12-12 17:13, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Le 12/12/2022, MH a supposé :

    1994 I have no explanation.

    24 teams, some groups with three finalists so at least two of the three
    are in the same part of final tree.

    But it can be arranged that it is the third placed and second placed
    ones that end up in the same half of the bracket (or at least all but
    one of the third placed ones. )

    Top Half

    Winner A
    vs. third B or D or F or E (in that order of priority)

    Winner C vs. second D

    Winner E vs third F or D or B or C

    Second F vs. second B

    Bottom Half

    Winner B vs third C or A or E or F

    Winner D vs. second C

    Second C vs. Second A

    Winner F vs. third A or C or E or B

    Or something like that.



    But in this case, Brazil and Sweden were in a group from where only two
    teams qualified. Strange idea to put them in the same part.

    It was not just Brazil and Sweden. Germany and Spain were in the same
    half of the draw. As were Netherlands and Saudi Arabia. And Nigeria and Bulgaria.


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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 14:25:02 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:47:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    1954 W. Germany and Hungary , and everyone knows what happened. 1
    win apiece

    1962 Czechoslovakia and Brazil. Drew in group, Brazil won in the final

    1982 Italy and Poland. Poland won the group (they drew), Italy won
    the SF

    1994 Brazil and Sweden. Draw in group, Brazil won the SF.

    2002 Brazil and Turkey. Brazil won both, albeit not easily

    Weird that the last three times the two teams from the same group made
    the SF they had to play each other again before the final. This really
    should not happen in a proper bracket. I attribute the 2002 bracket to wanting to keep Korea and Japan playing in their own country for as long
    as possible. 1982 was just a bad system to start with, but they could
    easily have made the winners of the Germany first round group play the winners of the Italy one, and the Winners of the France group play the
    Poland one, if they had though about it. 1994 I have no explanation.


    2022. Croatia and Morocco can only meet each other in the final. Does
    not seem all that likely, but you never know.

    You missed the 2018 edition, which had the same outcome as this year's World Cup -
    the two same-group semifinalists being eliminated.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 08:58:17 2022
    2022. Croatia and Morocco can only meet each other in the final. Does
    not seem all that likely, but you never know.

    You missed the 2018 edition, which had the same outcome as this year's World Cup -
    the two same-group semifinalists being eliminated.

    Duh ! Of course.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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