• WC 2022 Day 4: MAR-CRO, GER-JPN, ESP-CRC, BEL-CAN [R]

    From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 04:58:32 2022
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much. So, the North Africans are good this year?

    About to start:
    Germany - Japan

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 05:49:53 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:58:33 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much. So, the North Africans are good this year?

    About to start:
    Germany - Japan

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.

    Nah. Aside from Musiala, this is the same underwheling Germany team of recent years. Can't see them going too far.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 15:10:01 2022
    On 23.11.2022. 13:58, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much.


    Biggest waste of time, unless something drastically changes we'll exit
    earlier than I initially thought (R16).

    And Sucic yesterday said: "we'll stuff Morocco".

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 23 06:47:02 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:49:55 AM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.
    Nah. Aside from Musiala, this is the same underwheling Germany team of recent years. Can't see them going too far.

    They had looked quite good for most of the game (other than the fact that their lumbering defenders look hopeless against the speedy Japanese attackers), but now Japan has blitzed them with two quick goals:

    84': 1-2

    That second Japanese goal was a beauty. Bergkampesque.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 16:02:02 2022
    On 23.11.2022. 15:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    84': 1-2

    That second Japanese goal was a beauty. Bergkampesque.


    Ex-Gravedigger (Partizan fan/player) Asano buried Germany.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Nov 23 07:37:11 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 23.11.2022. 13:58, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much.
    Biggest waste of time, unless something drastically changes we'll exit earlier than I initially thought (R16).

    And Sucic yesterday said: "we'll stuff Morocco".

    Maybe people are underestimating Morocco. 8 of their starters play in Europe's Big 5 leagues, including PSG, Bayern, and Chelsea.

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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to alkamista@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 23 10:46:56 2022
    On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 07:37:11 -0800 (PST), Al Kamista
    <alkamista@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 23.11.2022. 13:58, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much.
    Biggest waste of time, unless something drastically changes we'll exit
    earlier than I initially thought (R16).

    And Sucic yesterday said: "we'll stuff Morocco".

    Maybe people are underestimating Morocco. 8 of their starters play in Europe's Big 5 leagues, including PSG, Bayern, and Chelsea.

    I am amazed at the way Croatia played, never getting anyone but the
    center forward into the box. You can't score goals that way against a
    good team.
    In a bad omen--the shot Modric missed from just outside the 18 was
    very similar to the one he scored in their first match against
    Argentina four years ago.
    Incredible Japan-Germany match. I love the way the Japanese play and
    that second goal was one for the ages.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 08:37:43 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:58:33 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much. So, the North Africans are good this year?

    About to start:
    Germany - Japan

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.

    Spain's generic midgets doing very well.

    How can Dani Olmo remain underrated for so long? Surely he won't be at Leipzig for ever.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Wed Nov 23 09:21:36 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 11:37:45 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:58:33 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much. So, the North Africans are good this year?

    About to start:
    Germany - Japan

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.
    Spain's generic midgets doing very well.

    How can Dani Olmo remain underrated for so long? Surely he won't be at Leipzig for ever.

    4-0

    Spain look terrific, but I can't take a team with Morata in it seriously, just as much as I can't take a team that gives Gotze minutes seriously.

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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 18:31:27 2022
    On 23.11.2022. 16:46, KaiserD2 wrote:

    I am amazed at the way Croatia played, never getting anyone but the
    center forward into the box. You can't score goals that way against a
    good team.

    Apparently that was the plan, Dalic was afraid of counters.
    And CF is Kramaric who never felt good in that role and everyone
    knew it's highly likely he'd be invisible again, but why not
    put him there again because it must work sometime.

    The only good thing is that our defense was solid just like in NL,
    it would probably be even better without Lovren.

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Wed Nov 23 09:25:49 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 11:37:45 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:58:33 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much. So, the North Africans are good this year?

    About to start:
    Germany - Japan

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.
    Spain's generic midgets doing very well.

    How can Dani Olmo remain underrated for so long? Surely he won't be at Leipzig for ever.
    4-0

    Spain look terrific, but I can't take a team with Morata in it seriously, just as much as I can't take a team that gives Gotze minutes seriously.

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to alka...@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 23 10:00:55 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on the wrong end of far too many marginal offside calls

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  • From anders t@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 18:53:45 2022
    So, maybe max 3 Concacaf teams in the next WC?


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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 11:41:48 2022
    On 2022-11-23 11:00, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on the wrong end of far too many marginal offside calls

    Has a team that trounced an opponent in the (first) group stage ever
    gone on to do really well in the tournament in recent memory? Thinking
    of Hungary thrashing El Salvador, Denmark crushing Uruguay, USSR
    thumping Hungary, and so on.

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs.
    Saudis and Panama)

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 10:54:25 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:41:50 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs.
    Saudis and Panama)

    Does 7-1 count as a trouncing? And does it have to be the group stages?

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 10:54:56 2022
    JOn Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:41:50 PM UTC, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-23 11:00, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on the wrong end of far too many marginal offside calls
    Has a team that trounced an opponent in the (first) group stage ever
    gone on to do really well in the tournament in recent memory? Thinking
    of Hungary thrashing El Salvador, Denmark crushing Uruguay, USSR
    thumping Hungary, and so on.

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs.
    Saudis and Panama)


    Good luck to Canada against Belgium tonight.


    RM

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 23 11:02:37 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:54:58 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    JOn Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:41:50 PM UTC, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-23 11:00, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on the wrong end of far too many marginal offside calls
    Has a team that trounced an opponent in the (first) group stage ever
    gone on to do really well in the tournament in recent memory? Thinking
    of Hungary thrashing El Salvador, Denmark crushing Uruguay, USSR
    thumping Hungary, and so on.

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs. Saudis and Panama)
    Good luck to Canada against Belgium tonight.


    RM

    The ref in Belgium v Canada is the same guy who blew for full time four minutes early in the AFCON earlier this year.


    RM

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Nov 23 11:17:27 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:02:39 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The ref in Belgium v Canada is the same guy who blew for full time four minutes early in the AFCON earlier this year.


    Canada bossing the Belgians around in the first 15 minutes, but for the moment all they have to show for it is a missed penalty and a second stone-cold penalty that was denied by a terrible, terrible offside call (and not reviewable by VAR)

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  • From Futbolmetrix@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 11:45:34 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:17:29 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:02:39 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The ref in Belgium v Canada is the same guy who blew for full time four minutes early in the AFCON earlier this year.

    Canada bossing the Belgians around in the first 15 minutes, but for the moment all they have to show for it is a missed penalty and a second stone-cold penalty that was denied by a terrible, terrible offside call (and not reviewable by VAR)

    O Canada...
    Pretty dominant for the whole half, and then they concede a route-1 goal to Batshuayi in the 45th minute...

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 12:51:56 2022
    On 2022-11-23 11:54, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 1:41:50 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs.
    Saudis and Panama)

    Does 7-1 count as a trouncing? And does it have to be the group stages?

    yes, I meant group stage - 7-1 in a semifinal is a different thing
    altogether.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk on Wed Nov 23 20:19:28 2022
    In article <d947f70d-d862-4e3e-a71d-06ddc03c2c0en@googlegroups.com>,
    Real Mardin <real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:54:58 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
    JOn Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:41:50 PM UTC, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-23 11:00, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, >alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with
    a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances
    -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on the wrong end of
    far too many marginal offside calls
    Has a team that trounced an opponent in the (first) group stage ever
    gone on to do really well in the tournament in recent memory? Thinking
    of Hungary thrashing El Salvador, Denmark crushing Uruguay, USSR
    thumping Hungary, and so on.

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs.
    Saudis and Panama)
    Good luck to Canada against Belgium tonight.


    RM

    The ref in Belgium v Canada is the same guy who blew for full time four >minutes early in the AFCON earlier this year.


    RM

    Yeah!
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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Wed Nov 23 13:56:46 2022
    On 2022-11-23 12:45, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:17:29 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:02:39 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:

    The ref in Belgium v Canada is the same guy who blew for full time four minutes early in the AFCON earlier this year.

    Canada bossing the Belgians around in the first 15 minutes, but for the moment all they have to show for it is a missed penalty and a second stone-cold penalty that was denied by a terrible, terrible offside call (and not reviewable by VAR)

    O Canada...
    Pretty dominant for the whole half, and then they concede a route-1 goal to Batshuayi in the 45th minute...

    Kind of what I expected. Belgium is still a good counterattacking team
    (as are we) so it could get ugly. I think the two matches vs. NL in the Nations league revealed how fragile this Belgian team can be when
    attacked with pace. But I wonder how long Canada can keep doing that,
    and if they will lose morale if picked off with a second counterattack goal.

    Both De Bruyne and Hazard have looked lively.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com on Wed Nov 23 20:18:49 2022
    In article <cgnsnhlcnuhlmbio46aukkesamd86gc7vi@4ax.com>,
    anders t <anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
    So, maybe max 3 Concacaf teams in the next WC?


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    Canada, USA and Mexico!
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  • From vedran@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Nov 23 23:32:30 2022
    On 23.11.2022. 15:10, vedran wrote:

    And Sucic yesterday said: "we'll stuff Morocco".


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiR3uR6WYA8JaXm?format=jpg&name=large

    Bring it on!

    Or what Zdravko Mamic would say: "you won't, bandit!".

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  • From Binder Dundat@21:1/5 to vedran on Wed Nov 23 16:26:17 2022
    I think it is great that the German NT decided to cover their mouths (to suggest they had been gagged by football’s governing body, Fifa) at the start of the match pic, wear rainbows on their kit and boycott the football match in World Cup protest.
    Some things are just more important than 22 guys chasing a ball around.

    Not really surprised, even when they were ahead 1-0 in the 1st half, they just didnt look very good. I have said it before already, but this is not a good German team. They wont get out of the group.

    Kanada did alright, I thought Davies was trying to do too much on his own, but a good display, just hope they score a goal this time.
    They wont get out of the group.

    Maybe Portugal are the only hope of a new WM winner or maybe even England! Nah, they will never win a World Cup.

    Admittedly, my lack of interest in this World Cup has only grown after today. Too cold for a World cup anyways.




    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 5:32:35 p.m. UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 23.11.2022. 15:10, vedran wrote:

    And Sucic yesterday said: "we'll stuff Morocco".
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiR3uR6WYA8JaXm?format=jpg&name=large

    Bring it on!

    Or what Zdravko Mamic would say: "you won't, bandit!".

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  • From FF@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 17:26:29 2022
    8 years ago Germany and Argentina played the final.

    Argentina are still favored to progress, but if Spain are only half as good as I think they are - german prospects look pretty dim.

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  • From Sheridan Elliot@21:1/5 to Futbolmetrix on Thu Nov 24 05:18:18 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:45:35 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Pretty dominant for the whole half, and then they concede a route-1 goal to Batshuayi in the 45th minute...

    I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for Canada tbh, they had chance after chance to deliver a decent ball or apply a finish in the final third and never looked likely to do it. Zero quality, composure or technique when it counted. Athleticism is fine,
    but the game is called football! Too many Anglocrotos in this farcical tournament.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 02:31:11 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:41:50 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-23 11:00, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on
    the wrong end of far too many marginal offside calls

    Has a team that trounced an opponent in the (first) group stage ever
    gone on to do really well in the tournament in recent memory? Thinking
    of Hungary thrashing El Salvador, Denmark crushing Uruguay, USSR
    thumping Hungary, and so on.

    Slight 1986 bias there

    I guess England and Russia did pretty well (compared to expectations)
    last time in spite of winning by large margins in the first round (vs.
    Saudis and Panama)

    Germany crushed Saudi-Arabia 8-0 in their first game 2002 and went on to reach the final (against many expectations).


    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to Werner Pichler on Tue Dec 6 09:53:22 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:31:13 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:41:50 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2022-11-23 11:00, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:25:50 PM UTC-5, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Can't decide if Morata is a worse finisher, or Werner.

    But both are undisputed kings of the can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo club.

    Nice 7th goal. (His main problem at Juve was not missing chances -- Allegriball means he didn't get many), but being on
    the wrong end of far too many marginal offside calls

    Has a team that trounced an opponent in the (first) group stage ever
    gone on to do really well in the tournament in recent memory? Thinking
    of Hungary thrashing El Salvador, Denmark crushing Uruguay, USSR
    thumping Hungary, and so on.

    Slight 1986 bias there

    But prescient.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Sun Dec 11 07:03:37 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:37:13 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
    On 23.11.2022. 13:58, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much.
    Biggest waste of time, unless something drastically changes we'll exit earlier than I initially thought (R16).

    And Sucic yesterday said: "we'll stuff Morocco".
    Maybe people are underestimating Morocco. 8 of their starters play in Europe's Big 5 leagues, including PSG, Bayern, and Chelsea.

    Can I take this moment to shamelessly pat myself on the back?

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  • From Al Kamista@21:1/5 to Al Kamista on Sun Dec 11 07:04:20 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:49:55 AM UTC-5, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:58:33 AM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    FT:
    Morocco - Croatia 0-0

    Missed this one entirely, and looks like I didn't miss much. So, the North Africans are good this year?

    About to start:
    Germany - Japan

    I can see anything happening here, from a Japanese upset, to Germany realizing they can actually be quite good.
    Nah. Aside from Musiala, this is the same underwheling Germany team of recent years. Can't see them going too far.

    And a second self-pat on the back for this comment also :-)))

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