• Re: The 2022 World Cup Best Team-Odds

    From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 24 03:03:06 2022
    After the 2018 Russia World Cup, I published an unusual way to bet –

    • In the group stage, bet on the UNDERDOG in all matches.

    In total: 48 matches. Bet 100 on each match. Total cost: 4800. Calculate payouts for 100-bets.

    In 2018, matches like Germany – Mexico and Germany South Korea offered great payouts. There were more surprises.

    In Qatar 2022, just two matches in two days offered BIG surprises and BIG payouts:

    • Saudi Arabia – Argentina +2500
    • Japan – Germany +650

    So far, a combined payout of 3150.

    Most people bet big on FAVORITES. By comparison, this type of betting would have lost 5 of the first 12 matches, winning 7. The payout, however, would not have offset the cost.

    No decision at this time of writing — what type of betting offers more bang for the buck?

    Let’s see what happens at the end of the group stage. Go further, and bet the same way in the knockout stage.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 01:46:59 2022
    After the 2018 Russia World Cup, I published an unusual way to bet –

    • In the group stage, bet on the UNDERDOG in all matches.

    In total: 48 matches. Bet 100 on each match. Total cost: 4800. Calculate payouts for 100-bets.

    In 2018, matches like Germany – Mexico and Germany South Korea offered great payouts. There were more surprises.

    Qatar 2022, the group stage
    ----------------------------------
    The first round offered BIG surprises and BIG payouts:

    Saudi Arabia – Argentina +2500
    Japan – Germany +650

    • Combined payout: 3150.
    • In total: 16 matches. Bet 100 in each match. Total cost: 1600.
    • Result: +1550

    Most people bet big on FAVORITES. By comparison, the result of this type of betting:
    • 9 wins
    • 7 losses

    The payout when the favorite wins averages out to +150 (rarely +200).
    • Result: 1350 – 1600 = –250 average; 1800 – 1600 = +200 at best

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Mon Nov 28 13:26:10 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 11:47:01 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    After the 2018 Russia World Cup, I published an unusual way to bet –

    • In the group stage, bet on the UNDERDOG in all matches.

    In total: 48 matches. Bet 100 on each match. Total cost: 4800. Calculate payouts for 100-bets.

    In 2018, matches like Germany – Mexico and Germany South Korea offered great payouts. There were more surprises.
    Qatar 2022, the group stage
    ----------------------------------
    The first round offered BIG surprises and BIG payouts:
    Saudi Arabia – Argentina +2500
    Japan – Germany +650
    • Combined payout: 3150.
    • In total: 16 matches. Bet 100 in each match. Total cost: 1600.
    • Result: +1550

    Most people bet big on FAVORITES. By comparison, the result of this type of betting:
    • 9 wins
    • 7 losses

    The payout when the favorite wins averages out to +150 (rarely +200).
    • Result: 1350 – 1600 = –250 average; 1800 – 1600 = +200 at best

    The 2nd round
    -------------------

    Betting on the UNDERDOG
    ----------------------------------
    Iran – Wales +300
    Australia – Tunisia +270
    Costa Rica – Japan +800
    Morocco – Belgium +300
    Ghana – South Korea +350

    • Combined payout: 2020.
    • In total: 16 matches. Bet 100 in each match. Total cost: 1600.
    • Result: 2020 – 1600 = +420

    Betting on the FAVORITE
    ----------------------------------
    • 7 wins
    • 9 losses
    • Result: ~1000 – 1600 = ~–600 average

    The UNDERDOG betting system is already ahead after the first two rounds. Regardless of what happens after the 3rd round, the system cannot lose. +1550 + 420 = 1970 – 1600 = ~+350. But there are 16 more games to play. Every time an underdog wins, it is
    a BONUS. Something like:

    Senegal – Ecuador +250
    Qatar – Netherlands +1500
    Iran – USA +350
    Wales – England +700

    (Just day 1 of round #3 group stage. The underdog is listed first.)

    Be prepared to see LOWER payouts for underdogs from now on!!! Qatar – Netherlands should have been +2500! Them bookies forgot what I published after World Cup Russia 2018. Some accused me of “collusion”… with Vlad “Dracula” Putin. Just
    kidding, ol’ son of a gun Joe… old prune Frau…

    BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sat Dec 3 02:02:00 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:26:12 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 11:47:01 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    After the 2018 Russia World Cup, I published an unusual way to bet –

    • In the group stage, bet on the UNDERDOG in all matches.

    In total: 48 matches. Bet 100 on each match. Total cost: 4800. Calculate payouts for 100-bets.

    In 2018, matches like Germany – Mexico and Germany South Korea offered great payouts. There were more surprises.
    Qatar 2022, the group stage
    ----------------------------------
    The first round offered BIG surprises and BIG payouts:
    Saudi Arabia – Argentina +2500
    Japan – Germany +650
    • Combined payout: 3150.
    • In total: 16 matches. Bet 100 in each match. Total cost: 1600.
    • Result: +1550

    Most people bet big on FAVORITES. By comparison, the result of this type of betting:
    • 9 wins
    • 7 losses

    The payout when the favorite wins averages out to +150 (rarely +200).
    • Result: 1350 – 1600 = –250 average; 1800 – 1600 = +200 at best
    The 2nd round
    -------------------

    Betting on the UNDERDOG
    ----------------------------------
    Iran – Wales +300
    Australia – Tunisia +270
    Costa Rica – Japan +800
    Morocco – Belgium +300
    Ghana – South Korea +350

    • Combined payout: 2020.
    • In total: 16 matches. Bet 100 in each match. Total cost: 1600.
    • Result: 2020 – 1600 = +420

    Betting on the FAVORITE
    ----------------------------------
    • 7 wins
    • 9 losses
    • Result: ~1000 – 1600 = ~–600 average

    The UNDERDOG betting system is already ahead after the first two rounds. Regardless of what happens after the 3rd round, the system cannot lose. +1550 + 420 = 1970 – 1600 = ~+350. But there are 16 more games to play. Every time an underdog wins, it
    is a BONUS. Something like:

    Senegal – Ecuador +250
    Qatar – Netherlands +1500
    Iran – USA +350
    Wales – England +700

    (Just day 1 of round #3 group stage. The underdog is listed first.)

    Be prepared to see LOWER payouts for underdogs from now on!!! Qatar – Netherlands should have been +2500! Them bookies forgot what I published after World Cup Russia 2018. Some accused me of “collusion”… with Vlad “Dracula” Putin. Just
    kidding, ol’ son of a gun Joe… old prune Frau…

    BBRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    The 3rd round
    -------------------

    Betting on the UNDERDOG
    ----------------------------------
    Senegal – Ecuador +250
    Australia – Denmark +600
    Tunisia – France +600
    Japan – Spain +700
    South Korea – Portugal +450
    Cameroon – Brazil +1000
    Switzerland – Serbia +180

    • Combined payout: +3780.
    • In total: 16 matches. Bet 100 in each match. Total cost: 1600.
    • Result: 3780 – 1600 = +2180

    Betting on the FAVORITE
    ----------------------------------
    • 8 wins
    • 8 losses
    • Result: ~1600 – 1600 = 0 ~ average… AT BEST, actually…

    WOW! How GREAT can this system be??? They will fight this system badly next time… in 2026…

    TOTAL PAYOUT: +1550 + 420 + 2180 = 4150 ~ at least

    Over 85% ROI (Return On Investment)! Unheard of!

    System’s codename: ‘Yeu Yon-Yayio’ (inspired by the upsets provided by South Korea in WC 2018 and 2022). Read:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/KVuy6RENJsM/m/GKEH3ntxCQAJ
    • The World Cup 2022 Brackets

    Betting on the FAVORITE lost at least 500. The payouts are quite low… but the risk is high!

    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system stops here. It is not quite as efficient in the eliminatory stages. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. You can check the results in the next post. Just out of curiosity…

    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system might be of interest in internal competitions as well. The Italian championship is notorious for its “unpredictability”. That is, there are quite a few upsets in Serie A and also Serie B. The payouts make an
    upset” equal to 5-6 “normal” (expected) results.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 3 02:30:38 2022
    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system in the round of 16

    As per my previous, this system loses its efficiency shown in the first round. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. Also, the powerhouses are more focused in the knockout stages.

    Check it for yourself.

    The odds as of December 3, 2022:

    United States – Netherlands +400
    Australia – Argentina +1550
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sun Dec 4 02:41:37 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system in the round of 16

    As per my previous, this system loses its efficiency shown in the first round. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. Also, the powerhouses are more focused in the knockout stages.

    Check it for yourself.

    The odds as of December 3, 2022:

    United States – Netherlands +400
    Australia – Argentina +1550
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450

    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450


    Sfârtaie (Quaterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Mon Dec 5 01:40:56 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system in the round of 16

    As per my previous, this system loses its efficiency shown in the first round. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. Also, the powerhouses are more focused in the knockout stages.

    Check it for yourself.

    The odds as of December 3, 2022:

    United States – Netherlands +400
    Australia – Argentina +1550
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450

    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450


    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina
    England – France

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Mon Dec 5 01:39:15 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:41:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system in the round of 16

    As per my previous, this system loses its efficiency shown in the first round. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. Also, the powerhouses are more focused in the knockout stages.

    Check it for yourself.

    The odds as of December 3, 2022:

    United States – Netherlands +400
    Australia – Argentina +1550
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450
    Sfârtaie (Quaterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina

    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450


    Sfârtaie (Quaterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina
    England – France

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Tue Dec 6 04:11:15 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:40:59 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system in the round of 16

    As per my previous, this system loses its efficiency shown in the first round. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. Also, the powerhouses are more focused in the knockout stages.

    Check it for yourself.

    The odds as of December 3, 2022:

    United States – Netherlands +400
    Australia – Argentina +1550
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina
    England – France

    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450


    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina
    England – France
    Croatia – Brazil

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Tue Dec 6 13:13:36 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:11:17 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:40:59 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    The ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system in the round of 16

    As per my previous, this system loses its efficiency shown in the first round. The teams are much closer in “value”. Therefore, the payouts are lower. Also, the powerhouses are more focused in the knockout stages.

    Check it for yourself.

    The odds as of December 3, 2022:

    United States – Netherlands +400
    Australia – Argentina +1550
    Poland – France +1100
    Senegal – England +650
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia +300
    South Korea – Brazil +1300
    Morocco – Spain +550
    Switzerland – Portugal +450
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Netherlands – Argentina
    England – France

    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the bookies
    make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Dec 7 04:35:57 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:13:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the bookies
    make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil +700

    Netherlands – Argentina +250

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and do not bear the burden on livelihood, for it is from Allah, and do not bear the burden of future, for it is in Allah's hand, only bear one concern, how do you please Allah?
    Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, your wealth, and enough for you"
    • Beat Portugal, England/France, Croatia/Brazil/Argentina/Netherlands! May your livelihood improve 200 times (Morocco +20000 to win World Cup 2022)!

    England – France +200


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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to ions...@gmail.com on Thu Dec 8 02:16:53 2022
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:35:59 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the bookies
    make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.


    Hang on. How can both ways lose? Either one of them has got to win, or both of them have got to break even surely?

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Mark on Thu Dec 8 04:09:45 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:16:55 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:35:59 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Hang on. How can both ways lose? Either one of them has got to win, or both of them have got to break even surely?

    M’ritser:

    Put that pipe away… that bottle too!

    It is NOT a zero-sum game. It’s all about the difference in payouts. An ‘upset’ (‘underdog’ win) brings, on average, the payout of 5-6 ‘normal’ (‘favorite’ win) games. Argentina’s loss to the Saudis captured a 2500 payout. Germany’s
    loss to South Korea in 2018 brought some 5000!

    The ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system requires, to a high degree, winning ALL games. Otherwise, the wins do not cover the cost. There are games when the ‘favorite’ brings barely 10-20 for 100.

    In our case, in the round of 16, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system missed two games (those marked as ‘PK’: ties after 90 minutes). The wins by Argentina and Brazil had very low payouts.

    In the group stage, total payouts “earned” by “UNDERDOGS” surpassed total cost (4800) by some 4100! The “FAVORITES” lost at least 500 for the same cost. In the round of 16, however, the “UNDERDOGS” lost more than the “FAVORITES”. That
    s the reason why I stated that the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOGS’ system should NOT be applied after the group stage.

    The same was true after the 2018 Russia World Cup and the 2021 European Championship.

    Corollary:
    • Play the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOGS’ system in the group stages in order to make a profit.

    It is the ONLY way to bet profitably in soccer final tournaments. (Applicable also to highly unpredictable leagues like Serie A.) “Going with the trend” (“betting on the FAVORITE”) is a losing method.

    Again: Put that pipe away… that bottle too! Otherwise, don’t you dare talk to me again! I’ll toss you to that rehab Clinique, as I did with Blintser (Narcochiloco)…

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to ions...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 9 00:29:25 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:09:47 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:16:55 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:35:59 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Hang on. How can both ways lose? Either one of them has got to win, or both of them have got to break even surely?
    M’ritser:

    Put that pipe away… that bottle too!

    It is NOT a zero-sum game. It’s all about the difference in payouts. An ‘upset’ (‘underdog’ win) brings, on average, the payout of 5-6 ‘normal’ (‘favorite’ win) games. Argentina’s loss to the Saudis captured a 2500 payout. Germany’
    s loss to South Korea in 2018 brought some 5000!

    The ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system requires, to a high degree, winning ALL games. Otherwise, the wins do not cover the cost. There are games when the ‘favorite’ brings barely 10-20 for 100.

    In our case, in the round of 16, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system missed two games (those marked as ‘PK’: ties after 90 minutes). The wins by Argentina and Brazil had very low payouts.

    In the group stage, total payouts “earned” by “UNDERDOGS” surpassed total cost (4800) by some 4100! The “FAVORITES” lost at least 500 for the same cost. In the round of 16, however, the “UNDERDOGS” lost more than the “FAVORITES”.
    That’s the reason why I stated that the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOGS’ system should NOT be applied after the group stage.

    The same was true after the 2018 Russia World Cup and the 2021 European Championship.

    Corollary:
    • Play the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOGS’ system in the group stages in order to make a profit.

    It is the ONLY way to bet profitably in soccer final tournaments. (Applicable also to highly unpredictable leagues like Serie A.) “Going with the trend” (“betting on the FAVORITE”) is a losing method.

    Again: Put that pipe away… that bottle too! Otherwise, don’t you dare talk to me again! I’ll toss you to that rehab Clinique, as I did with Blintser (Narcochiloco)…

    I haven't got a pipe or a bottle. I think I can see why it's possible for both ways to lose now. Maybe I'll run through an example in my head some time to try to make sure it's clear.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Dec 9 03:19:58 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:29:27 AM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:09:47 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:16:55 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:35:59 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Hang on. How can both ways lose? Either one of them has got to win, or both of them have got to break even surely?
    M’ritser:

    Put that pipe away… that bottle too!

    It is NOT a zero-sum game. It’s all about the difference in payouts. An ‘upset’ (‘underdog’ win) brings, on average, the payout of 5-6 ‘normal’ (‘favorite’ win) games. Argentina’s loss to the Saudis captured a 2500 payout. Germany
    s loss to South Korea in 2018 brought some 5000!

    The ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system requires, to a high degree, winning ALL games. Otherwise, the wins do not cover the cost. There are games when the ‘favorite’ brings barely 10-20 for 100.

    In our case, in the round of 16, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system missed two games (those marked as ‘PK’: ties after 90 minutes). The wins by Argentina and Brazil had very low payouts.

    In the group stage, total payouts “earned” by “UNDERDOGS” surpassed total cost (4800) by some 4100! The “FAVORITES” lost at least 500 for the same cost. In the round of 16, however, the “UNDERDOGS” lost more than the “FAVORITES”.
    That’s the reason why I stated that the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOGS’ system should NOT be applied after the group stage.

    The same was true after the 2018 Russia World Cup and the 2021 European Championship.

    Corollary:
    • Play the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOGS’ system in the group stages in order to make a profit.

    It is the ONLY way to bet profitably in soccer final tournaments. (Applicable also to highly unpredictable leagues like Serie A.) “Going with the trend” (“betting on the FAVORITE”) is a losing method.

    Again: Put that pipe away… that bottle too! Otherwise, don’t you dare talk to me again! I’ll toss you to that rehab Clinique, as I did with Blintser (Narcochiloco)…
    I haven't got a pipe or a bottle. I think I can see why it's possible for both ways to lose now. Maybe I'll run through an example in my head some time to try to make sure it's clear.

    Great! That’s what axiomaticism is all about! We put the Truth above anybody and anything.

    You can test both systems in Serie A, until another major final tournament in soccer.

    Boa sorte!

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sat Dec 10 04:24:07 2022
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:35:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:13:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the bookies
    make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil +700

    Netherlands – Argentina +250

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and do not bear the burden on livelihood, for it is from Allah, and do not bear the burden of future, for it is in Allah's hand, only bear one concern, how do you please Allah?
    Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, your wealth, and enough for you"
    • Beat Portugal, England/France, Croatia/Brazil/Argentina/Netherlands! May your livelihood improve 200 times (Morocco +20000 to win World Cup 2022)!

    England – France +200

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 18:00
    Morocco/Portugal – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sat Dec 10 09:10:28 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:24:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:35:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:13:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil +700

    Netherlands – Argentina +250

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and do not bear the burden on livelihood, for it is from Allah, and do not bear the burden of future, for it is in Allah's hand, only bear one concern, how do you please Allah?
    Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, your wealth, and enough for you"
    • Beat Portugal, England/France, Croatia/Brazil/Argentina/Netherlands! May your livelihood improve 200 times (Morocco +20000 to win World Cup 2022)!

    England – France +200
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 18:00
    Morocco/Portugal – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal 0 – 1 +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and only bear one concern, how do you please Allah? Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, and your glorious victory!”
    • Morocco = Hungary-1954 of the 21st century.

    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 22:00
    Morocco – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sat Dec 10 09:12:02 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:24:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:35:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:13:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil +700

    Netherlands – Argentina +250

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and do not bear the burden on livelihood, for it is from Allah, and do not bear the burden of future, for it is in Allah's hand, only bear one concern, how do you please Allah?
    Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, your wealth, and enough for you"
    • Beat Portugal, England/France, Croatia/Brazil/Argentina/Netherlands! May your livelihood improve 200 times (Morocco +20000 to win World Cup 2022)!

    England – France +200
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 18:00
    Morocco/Portugal – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal 1 – 0 +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and only bear one concern, how do you please Allah? Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, and your glorious victory!”
    • Morocco = Hungary-1954 of the 21st century.

    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 22:00
    Morocco – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sat Dec 10 09:15:59 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:24:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:35:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:13:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil +700

    Netherlands – Argentina +250

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and do not bear the burden on livelihood, for it is from Allah, and do not bear the burden of future, for it is in Allah's hand, only bear one concern, how do you please Allah?
    Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, your wealth, and enough for you"
    • Beat Portugal, England/France, Croatia/Brazil/Argentina/Netherlands! May your livelihood improve 200 times (Morocco +20000 to win World Cup 2022)!

    England – France +200
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 18:00
    Morocco/Portugal – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -------------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal 1 – 0 +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and only bear one concern, how do you please Allah? Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, and your glorious victory!”
    • Morocco = Hungary-1954 of the 21st century.

    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 22:00
    Morocco – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sat Dec 10 13:16:58 2022
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 7:16:01 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 2:24:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:35:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:13:39 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    United States – Netherlands 1 – 3 = system fail
    Australia – Argentina 1 – 2 = system fail
    Poland – France 1 – 3 = system fail
    Senegal – England 0 – 3 = system fail
    Japan – Croatia 2 – 4 (PK) = system fail
    South Korea – Brazil 1 – 4 = system fail
    Morocco – Spain 3 – 0 (PK) = system fail (the ‘underdog’ didn’t win upright)
    Switzerland – Portugal 1 – 6 = system fail

    As expected, the ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’ system lost in the round of 16. Not a single winner. However, the ‘Betting on the FAVORITE’ system was a loser as well. And that’s how the vast majority of players bet. And that’s how the
    bookies make their profits. For without said profits, football/soccer would have a very hard life in the struggle for survival.

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil – Friday, 12/09, 18:00
    Netherlands – Argentina – Friday, 12/09, 22:00
    Morocco – Portugal – Saturday, 12/10, 18:00
    England – France – Saturday, 12/10, 22:00

    I CORRECTED the first edition of the brackets I published just before the 2022 World Cup started. The bracket has been updated up to Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals).
    https://saliu.com/images/Qatar2022Brackets.jpg

    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil +700

    Netherlands – Argentina +250

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and do not bear the burden on livelihood, for it is from Allah, and do not bear the burden of future, for it is in Allah's hand, only bear one concern, how do you please Allah?
    Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, your wealth, and enough for you"
    • Beat Portugal, England/France, Croatia/Brazil/Argentina/Netherlands! May your livelihood improve 200 times (Morocco +20000 to win World Cup 2022)!

    England – France +200
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -----------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!

    Morocco – Portugal +425
    England – France +200


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 18:00
    Morocco/Portugal – England/France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00
    Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals)
    -------------------------------------
    Croatia – Brazil 5 – 3 (PK)
    Netherlands – Argentina 5 – 6 (PK)

    • Without a doubt, the biggest day in World Cup history!
    Morocco – Portugal 1 – 0 +425
    • "Do not bear the burden of the world [cup], for it belongs to Allah, and only bear one concern, how do you please Allah? Because if you please Allah, He will be pleased with you, your satisfaction, and your glorious victory!”
    • Morocco = Hungary-1954 of the 21st century.
    England – France 0 – 1


    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina – Tuesday, 12/13, 22:00
    Morocco – France – Wednesday, 12/14, 22:00

    As they chant in Paris: "Allah al-Bakr". Morocco is better suited in this part of the world... hope so... on behalf of those who put the money where their mouths are...

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 04:32:21 2022
    Semifinals – Odds
    ------------------------
    Croatia – Argentina +375
    Morocco – France +550

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Dec 14 13:25:02 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:32:23 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Semifinals – Odds
    ------------------------
    Croatia – Argentina +375
    Morocco – France +550

    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina 0 – 3
    Morocco – France 0 – 2

    3rd Place “Little” Final
    ------------------------------
    Morocco – Croatia – Saturday, 12/17/2022


    The FINAL
    -----------------
    Argentina – France – Sunday, 12/18/2022

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Dec 14 14:22:13 2022
    On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 4:45:07 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    These are the odds as of the time of this writing. There are variations across the board. I selected the best odds for each team. The calculations follow the American method.

    Brazil +400 (e.g., bet 100 and get 400 back if you win)
    France +600
    Argentina +650
    England +700
    Spain +800
    Germany +1000
    Belgium +1200
    Netherlands +1200

    Portugal +1200
    Denmark +2800
    Croatia +5000
    Uruguay +5000
    Senegal +8000
    Switzerland +8000
    Mexico +10000
    USA +10000

    Poland +10000
    Serbia +10000
    Wales +10000
    Ghana +15000
    Ecuador +15000
    Morocco +20000
    Cameroon +25000
    Canada +25000

    Japan +25000
    Qatar +25000
    South Korea +25000
    Tunisia +30000
    Australia +40000
    Costa Rica +50000
    Iran +50000
    Saudi Arabia +50000


    Most Popular Bets

    Netherlands (12/1)
    England (9/1)
    Serbia (250/1)
    Argentina (13/2)
    France (11/2)


    Based on the pre-tournament odds, France was #2, and Argentina #3:

    France +600
    Argentina +650

    Them bookies are the best odds calculators, ‘cuz it’s all about their monies. Them bettors should always keep that in mind. But if they want to win, really win, only the gambling system presented here works:

    ‘Betting on the UNDERDOG’.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Mon Dec 19 01:50:19 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 11:25:04 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:32:23 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Semifinals – Odds
    ------------------------
    Croatia – Argentina +375
    Morocco – France +550
    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina 0 – 3
    Morocco – France 0 – 2

    3rd Place “Little” Final
    ------------------------------
    Morocco – Croatia – Saturday, 12/17/2022


    The FINAL
    -----------------
    Argentina – France – Sunday, 12/18/2022

    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Argentina – Croatia 3 – 0
    France – Morocco 2 – 0

    3rd Place “Little” Final
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Morocco 2 – 1


    The FINAL
    -----------------
    ARGENTINA – France 7 – 5 (PK)

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri Jan 27 05:28:28 2023
    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:50:20 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 11:25:04 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:32:23 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Semifinals – Odds
    ------------------------
    Croatia – Argentina +375
    Morocco – France +550
    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Croatia – Argentina 0 – 3
    Morocco – France 0 – 2

    3rd Place “Little” Final
    ------------------------------
    Morocco – Croatia – Saturday, 12/17/2022


    The FINAL
    -----------------
    Argentina – France – Sunday, 12/18/2022
    Semifinals
    -----------------
    Argentina – Croatia 3 – 0
    France – Morocco 2 – 0
    3rd Place “Little” Final
    ------------------------------
    Croatia – Morocco 2 – 1


    The FINAL
    -----------------
    ARGENTINA – France 7 – 5 (PK)

    I hold in low regards a “champion” determined by a shootout. We should strongly recommend to FIFA and all continental federations to change the rule.

    • If the final ends in a tie after 120 minutes, the match should be rescheduled for 3 days later.
    • If the second match ends up in a tie again, the champion should be determined in a penalty shootout.
    • The champion determined after two final matches will deserve a lot more of credibility and respect.

    Think of the 1970 Brazil. Victories on the line, including a clear win (4 – 1) against a two-time world champion. Hence, that national team is considered the best of all time.

    UEFA should start right away, in the Champions League.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 8 04:56:34 2023
    Mea culpa! I fell into the sin of sexism. I wrote in 2022 about the “world cup 2022” as if it were… coed! I meant “FIFA Men’s World Cup 2022”. Please consider the correction as very important.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/ryCDWmSV6wM
    • FIFA Women's World Cup 2023

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