On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:13:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings at the halfway point:

Standings with one match day to go

Champions League
--------------------------------
MH -26.9511717
Jack C (13Nil) -29.69911709
Futbolmetrix -31.66243185
Collective Consciousness -32.02258169
FiveThirtyEight -32.12773256
EuroClubIndex -32.20629116
Jesus Petry -32.49199015
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix) -32.83498634
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -33.13256139
Wage Bill (by Futbolmetrix) -33.81095711
Werner Pichler -34.92035547
wdnr -35.57529571
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -36.72150537
Fantomen -38.15713041
Alessandro Riolo -39.99279641
Anders T -40.04699203
Volkan Riolo -40.71318552
Agnostic -44.36141956


Europa League
--------------------------
Werner Pichler -37.80815793
FiveThirtyEight -38.38507031
CollectiveConsciousness -38.79811904
MH -38.819207
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -38.91451735
EuroClubIndex -39.27930164
Futbolmetrix -39.95197785
Anders T -41.2951818
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -41.76905621
Jack C (13Nil) -41.9304663
Alessandro Riolo -41.97611103
Jesus Petry -42.91350267
wdnr -42.96333128
Agnostic -44.36141956
Volkan Riolo -45.07686301
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -57.25619762


Conference League
-------------------------------
EuroClubIndex -35.36011077
Futbolmetrix -36.46283474
Jesus Petry -36.48265372
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -36.51230514
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -36.80927811
Werner Pichler -37.33075146
wdnr -37.61520676
CollectiveConsciousness -37.68870919
FiveThirtyEight -38.8271458
Anders T -41.22827599
Alessandro Riolo -41.92610987
Fantomen -42.80957232
MH -43.51471792
Agnostic -44.36141956
Volkan Riolo -48.70950275
Jack C (13Nil) -51.92588406
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -52.9500325

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:11:31 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:13:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings at the halfway point:

Standings with one match day to go

Champions League
--------------------------------
MH -26.9511717
Jack C (13Nil) -29.69911709
Futbolmetrix -31.66243185
Collective Consciousness -32.02258169
FiveThirtyEight -32.12773256
EuroClubIndex -32.20629116
Jesus Petry -32.49199015
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix) -32.83498634
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -33.13256139
Wage Bill (by Futbolmetrix) -33.81095711
Werner Pichler -34.92035547
wdnr -35.57529571
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -36.72150537
Fantomen -38.15713041
Alessandro Riolo -39.99279641
Anders T -40.04699203
Volkan Riolo -40.71318552
Agnostic -44.36141956

Europa League
--------------------------
Werner Pichler -37.80815793
FiveThirtyEight -38.38507031
CollectiveConsciousness -38.79811904
MH -38.819207
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -38.91451735
EuroClubIndex -39.27930164
Futbolmetrix -39.95197785
Anders T -41.2951818
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -41.76905621
Jack C (13Nil) -41.9304663
Alessandro Riolo -41.97611103
Jesus Petry -42.91350267
wdnr -42.96333128
Agnostic -44.36141956
Volkan Riolo -45.07686301
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -57.25619762

Conference League
-------------------------------
EuroClubIndex -35.36011077
Futbolmetrix -36.46283474
Jesus Petry -36.48265372
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -36.51230514
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -36.80927811
Werner Pichler -37.33075146
wdnr -37.61520676
CollectiveConsciousness -37.68870919
FiveThirtyEight -38.8271458
Anders T -41.22827599
Alessandro Riolo -41.92610987
Fantomen -42.80957232
MH -43.51471792
Agnostic -44.36141956
Volkan Riolo -48.70950275
Jack C (13Nil) -51.92588406
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -52.9500325

UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) is based on UEFA's own club ranking, correct?

Sounds about right that what they use for seeding is pretty much the worst indicator of actual strength.


Ciao,
Werner

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:11:31 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:13:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings at the halfway point:

Standings with one match day to go

Final standings:

Champions League
------------------------------
MH -30.28504482
Jack C (13Nil) -31.35700914
Collective Consciousness -32.9243471
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix) -33.29588595
Jesus Petry -33.40999303
EuroClubIndex -33.49829781
Werner Pichler -33.88595534
Futbolmetrix -34.12683436
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -34.38855764
wdnr -34.9657539
FiveThirtyEight -34.98859725
Wage Bill (by Futbolmetrix) -35.85438844
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -38.17148658
Volkan Riolo -38.18745687
Fantomen -38.79725793
Alessandro Riolo -39.62825533
Anders T -40.83084496
Agnostic -44.36141956

MH defends his CL group stage title from last year, and extends his lead at the top of the Hall of Sophistication. One for the humans!



Europa League
------------------------
FiveThirtyEight -34.35995473
Werner Pichler -34.99392222
MH -36.33821425
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -36.84596588
EuroClubIndex -37.40020758
CollectiveConsciousness -37.51101005
Jack C (13Nil) -37.6720593
Futbolmetrix -38.94225618
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -39.55283125
Volkan Riolo -40.72860324
Alessandro Riolo -41.28296385
Anders T -41.87054595
wdnr -42.26453599
Jesus Petry -43.99907297
Agnostic -44.36141956
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -57.31050377

Among other things, Sturm Graz's elimination also contributed to knock our resident Mr Europa League from the top spot, in favor of E$PN''s prediction juggernaut. UEFA rankings suck. That's FiveThirtyEight's 5th entry in the Hall of Sophistication.




Conference League
-------------------------------
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -31.69589502
EuroClubIndex -34.81191987
Futbolmetrix -34.85339683
Jesus Petry -35.6717235
wdnr -35.97404701
Werner Pichler -36.11265663
CollectiveConsciousness -36.50086215
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -36.80587465
FiveThirtyEight -38.15189983
Anders T -40.21667508
Fantomen -41.84998205
MH -42.09987166
Alessandro Riolo -42.77037419
Agnostic -44.36141956
Volkan Riolo -46.87692129
Jack C (13Nil) -48.71723295
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -52.31401783

Money matters in the Conference League! I console myself as being first of the humans.


Combined rankings of all three competitions -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Werner Pichler -104.9925342
EuroClubIndex -105.7104253
CollectiveConsciousness -106.9362193
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -106.9477265
FiveThirtyEight -107.5004518
MH -108.7231307
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -105.6372839
Futbolmetrix -107.9224874
wdnr -113.2043369
Jesus Petry -113.0807895
Anders T -122.918066
Jack C (13Nil) -117.7463014
Alessandro Riolo -123.6815934
Volkan Riolo -125.7929814
Agnostic -133.0842587
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -147.7960082

Nice consolation prize for Werner! Or maybe not a consolation prize at all?




Hall of Sophistication
---------------------------------
MH 11
Jesper Lauridsen 8
Werner Pichler 7
Jesus Petry 7
Anders T 7
Club Elo 6
Futbolmetrix 6
FiveThirtyEight 5
Binder Dundat 5
TransferMarkt 4
Jussi Uosukainen 3
7h@ch 3
Clement 2
fitbawnumbers 2
Silver Aurora 2
AQB 2
Jimmy Featherstone 2
ruud 2
Agnostic 1
Gronaldo 1
Dec Tech 1
MMcC 1
Lorenzo Carli 1
Renato Guadagnolo 1
Remiqz 1
EuroClubIndex 1
La Violeta 1
FiveThirtyEight Minus 1
Matthias Muehlich 1
ClubElo/ClubTM 1
Abubakr 1
Colin 1
Konakalab 1
Tim Hooper 1
Jack C 1
Voros McCracken 1
FIFA (implemented by Futbolmetrix 1


Thanks to all for playing, WorldCup SophCon coming soon!

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On 2022-11-04 10:20, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:11:31 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:13:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings at the halfway point:

Standings with one match day to go

Final standings:

Champions League
------------------------------
MH -30.28504482
Jack C (13Nil) -31.35700914
Collective Consciousness -32.9243471
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix) -33.29588595
Jesus Petry -33.40999303
EuroClubIndex -33.49829781
Werner Pichler -33.88595534
Futbolmetrix -34.12683436
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -34.38855764
wdnr -34.9657539
FiveThirtyEight -34.98859725
Wage Bill (by Futbolmetrix) -35.85438844
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -38.17148658
Volkan Riolo -38.18745687
Fantomen -38.79725793
Alessandro Riolo -39.62825533
Anders T -40.83084496
Agnostic -44.36141956

MH defends his CL group stage title from last year, and extends his lead at the top of the Hall of Sophistication. One for the humans!

How did I even win ? I was way off base on quite a few (notably
Bruges). Were other people even less keen on Bruges than I was?


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Em sexta-feira, 4 de novembro de 2022 às 14:29:26 UTC-3, MH escreveu:

On 2022-11-04 10:20, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:11:31 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:13:14 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings at the halfway point:

Standings with one match day to go

Final standings:

Champions League
------------------------------
MH -30.28504482
Jack C (13Nil) -31.35700914
Collective Consciousness -32.9243471
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix) -33.29588595
Jesus Petry -33.40999303
EuroClubIndex -33.49829781
Werner Pichler -33.88595534
Futbolmetrix -34.12683436
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -34.38855764
wdnr -34.9657539
FiveThirtyEight -34.98859725
Wage Bill (by Futbolmetrix) -35.85438844
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -38.17148658
Volkan Riolo -38.18745687
Fantomen -38.79725793
Alessandro Riolo -39.62825533
Anders T -40.83084496
Agnostic -44.36141956

MH defends his CL group stage title from last year, and extends his lead at the top of the Hall of Sophistication. One for the humans!

How did I even win ? I was way off base on quite a few (notably
Bruges). Were other people even less keen on Bruges than I was?

Very probably. I know I probably was, and I'm known for my cautious approach to this game.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

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On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:29:26 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

How did I even win ? I was way off base on quite a few (notably
Bruges). Were other people even less keen on Bruges than I was?

Here are your scores relative to Collective Consciousness, by group:

A: +1.87
B : +0.07
C: -0.29
D: -0.24
E: +0.76
F: +1.14
G: +0.83
H: -1.50
----------------
Total: +6.78

The single team that gave you the biggest edge over CC was Liverpool (+0.59), followed by Ajax (0.47) and Napoli (0.46). You should have told us that you knew something about Kvaratskhelia that the rest of us didn't.

After that comes Celtic (0.40). Many of us thought that the situation in Ukraine would irreparably hurt Shakhtar, but they exceeded expectations.

Here is the UCL Master spreadsheet for those who want to play with it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2o2bsmak7au3b5p/spc_ucl2022-23_GroupStage_MASTER.xlsx?dl=0

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On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 5:20:18 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Final standings:

Europa League
------------------------
FiveThirtyEight -34.35995473
Werner Pichler -34.99392222
MH -36.33821425
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -36.84596588
EuroClubIndex -37.40020758
CollectiveConsciousness -37.51101005
Jack C (13Nil) -37.6720593
Futbolmetrix -38.94225618
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -39.55283125
Volkan Riolo -40.72860324
Alessandro Riolo -41.28296385
Anders T -41.87054595
wdnr -42.26453599
Jesus Petry -43.99907297
Agnostic -44.36141956
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -57.31050377

Among other things, Sturm Graz's elimination also contributed to knock our resident Mr Europa League from the top spot, in favor of E$PN''s prediction juggernaut.

Well that's just peachy.

UEFA rankings suck.

Thankfully they're not used for anything important.

That's FiveThirtyEight's 5th entry in the Hall of Sophistication.

I think it's time to acknowledge that their wonky Soccer Power Index isn't half bad.

Conference League
-------------------------------
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -31.69589502
EuroClubIndex -34.81191987
Futbolmetrix -34.85339683
Jesus Petry -35.6717235
wdnr -35.97404701
Werner Pichler -36.11265663
CollectiveConsciousness -36.50086215
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -36.80587465
FiveThirtyEight -38.15189983
Anders T -40.21667508
Fantomen -41.84998205
MH -42.09987166
Alessandro Riolo -42.77037419
Agnostic -44.36141956
Volkan Riolo -46.87692129
Jack C (13Nil) -48.71723295
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -52.31401783

Money matters in the Conference League! I console myself as being first of the humans.

I guess the relative budget differences might actually be biggest here? (West Ham or Villarreal compared to Ballkani or Vaduz).

Combined rankings of all three competitions ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Pichler -104.9925342
EuroClubIndex -105.7104253
CollectiveConsciousness -106.9362193
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -106.9477265
FiveThirtyEight -107.5004518
MH -108.7231307
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -105.6372839
Futbolmetrix -107.9224874
wdnr -113.2043369
Jesus Petry -113.0807895
Anders T -122.918066
Jack C (13Nil) -117.7463014
Alessandro Riolo -123.6815934
Volkan Riolo -125.7929814
Agnostic -133.0842587
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -147.7960082

Nice consolation prize for Werner! Or maybe not a consolation prize at all?

Well does it provide me with an entry in the Hall of Sophistication?

Hall of Sophistication
---------------------------------
MH 11
Jesper Lauridsen 8
Werner Pichler 7
Jesus Petry 7
Anders T 7
Club Elo 6
Futbolmetrix 6
FiveThirtyEight 5
Binder Dundat 5
TransferMarkt 4
Jussi Uosukainen 3
7h@ch 3
Clement 2
fitbawnumbers 2
Silver Aurora 2
AQB 2
Jimmy Featherstone 2
ruud 2
Agnostic 1
Gronaldo 1
Dec Tech 1
MMcC 1
Lorenzo Carli 1
Renato Guadagnolo 1
Remiqz 1
EuroClubIndex 1
La Violeta 1
FiveThirtyEight Minus 1
Matthias Muehlich 1
ClubElo/ClubTM 1
Abubakr 1
Colin 1
Konakalab 1
Tim Hooper 1
Jack C 1
Voros McCracken 1
FIFA (implemented by Futbolmetrix 1

So, no! :)


Ciao,
Werner

Thanks to all for playing, WorldCup SophCon coming soon!

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Hall of Sophistication
---------------------------------
MH 11
Jesper Lauridsen 8
Werner Pichler 7
Jesus Petry 7
Anders T 7
Club Elo 6
Futbolmetrix 6
FiveThirtyEight 5
Binder Dundat 5
TransferMarkt 4
Jussi Uosukainen 3
7h@ch 3
Clement 2
fitbawnumbers 2
Silver Aurora 2
AQB 2
Jimmy Featherstone 2
ruud 2
Agnostic 1
Gronaldo 1
Dec Tech 1
MMcC 1
Lorenzo Carli 1
Renato Guadagnolo 1
Remiqz 1
EuroClubIndex 1
La Violeta 1
FiveThirtyEight Minus 1
Matthias Muehlich 1
ClubElo/ClubTM 1
Abubakr 1
Colin 1
Konakalab 1
Tim Hooper 1
Jack C 1
Voros McCracken 1

USing a minimum number of participations (5, 10, 15 ?) how do people
compare on a wins per entry basis. I am pretty sure I would be quite
far down, because I have missed few if any of these since the very
beginning. Agnostic has only won once, so she would be dead last, I
assume.

FIFA (implemented by Futbolmetrix 1

Thanks to all for playing, WorldCup SophCon coming soon!

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On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:53:48 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:

USing a minimum number of participations (5, 10, 15 ?) how do people
compare on a wins per entry basis. I am pretty sure I would be quite
far down, because I have missed few if any of these since the very beginning. Agnostic has only won once, so she would be dead last, I
assume.

I'm not sure I would want to run that analysis, as I have also probably participated in every one of these, and having won only six times, I'd show up very close to the bottom of the rankings...(then again, if I claim as mine the various ClubElo/
TransferMarkt/etc. predictions, things would look more rosy)

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