I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia toparticipate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the free spirited Rockingness of theconfederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,
so let's call this the Copa Oro.
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
RM
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two). Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
RM
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:18:54 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
You’re assuming the French speakers would rather use English rather than Spanish. Plus “d’or” sounds much closer to “Oro” than “Gold”. Copa Oro for me!Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two). Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
RM
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
RM
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 7:42:55 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:18:54 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
You’re assuming the French speakers would rather use English rather than Spanish. Plus “d’or” sounds much closer to “Oro” than “Gold”. Copa Oro for me!Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two).
Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
from the spot in the 1st half ( or even from the rebound, which was an easier shot)RM
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
It would seem in Chicago the preferred nomenclature is indeed Copa Oro (signs along the pitch all said Copa Oro, not a gold cup to be found.). A decent first match for the Rockingest tournament in football. Jamaica could have won this had Bailey scoredRM
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:23:03 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 7:42:55 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:18:54 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
You’re assuming the French speakers would rather use English rather than Spanish. Plus “d’or” sounds much closer to “Oro” than “Gold”. Copa Oro for me!Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two).
Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
scored from the spot in the 1st half ( or even from the rebound, which was an easier shot)RM
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
It would seem in Chicago the preferred nomenclature is indeed Copa Oro (signs along the pitch all said Copa Oro, not a gold cup to be found.). A decent first match for the Rockingest tournament in football. Jamaica could have won this had BaileyRM
Yeah, I said the same - the rebound was easier to score than the penalty! Can’t believe he missed, Jamaica let USA slip through their fingers there.
Saw the start of Haiti- Qatar, the stadium was practically deserted. Not a great look. Qatar cement their credentials as the worst World Cup host ever by losing 2-1 to Haiti.
RMit was a fairly even match as the score suggests. Seems like a lot of English based players for Jamaica.
to make it 2-0. Jamaica took an early lead and Antonio was having an easy time vs the Yankee defenders, Bailey missed the PK chance to make it 2-0 and then USA grew as the game progressed, though it took them over 80 minutes to make it 1-1. I would say
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 3:00:59 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:23:03 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 7:42:55 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:18:54 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
You’re assuming the French speakers would rather use English rather than Spanish. Plus “d’or” sounds much closer to “Oro” than “Gold”. Copa Oro for me!Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two).
Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
scored from the spot in the 1st half ( or even from the rebound, which was an easier shot)RM
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
It would seem in Chicago the preferred nomenclature is indeed Copa Oro (signs along the pitch all said Copa Oro, not a gold cup to be found.). A decent first match for the Rockingest tournament in football. Jamaica could have won this had BaileyRM
Yeah, I said the same - the rebound was easier to score than the penalty! Can’t believe he missed, Jamaica let USA slip through their fingers there.
good result and they are now projected to win the Gold Cup.Saw the start of Haiti- Qatar, the stadium was practically deserted. Not a great look. Qatar cement their credentials as the worst World Cup host ever by losing 2-1 to Haiti.It was a double header ( 'mericans love double headers), by the time Mexico played Honduras, the stadium was Rocking, really Rocking within a minute of the kick off when Mexico scored. I didnt watch the end, but they won 4-0 vs Honduras, which is a
I found the Haiti v Qatar game was Rocking too, even if the quality was a bit poor. I really expected Qatar to at least win this comfortably, so yes, they probably are the weakest WC host ever. Even Kanada beats Haiti every time.
say it was a fairly even match as the score suggests. Seems like a lot of English based players for Jamaica.RM
to make it 2-0. Jamaica took an early lead and Antonio was having an easy time vs the Yankee defenders, Bailey missed the PK chance to make it 2-0 and then USA grew as the game progressed, though it took them over 80 minutes to make it 1-1. I would
Double Header today in Florida.
6:30pm El Salvador vs Martinique
8:30pm Costa Rica vs Panama
I am going to guess there are more Salvadorinos in S.Florida, Which Island is Martinique? Is that the one which had Karembu and other French natnl team players back in the day?
It will be interesting to see how Rocking Costa Rica v Panama will be, is their a large population of them in Florida? Will americans go out to watch this match?
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 4:40:32 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 3:00:59 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:23:03 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 7:42:55 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:18:54 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
You’re assuming the French speakers would rather use English rather than Spanish. Plus “d’or” sounds much closer to “Oro” than “Gold”. Copa Oro for me!Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two).
Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
scored from the spot in the 1st half ( or even from the rebound, which was an easier shot)RM
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
It would seem in Chicago the preferred nomenclature is indeed Copa Oro (signs along the pitch all said Copa Oro, not a gold cup to be found.). A decent first match for the Rockingest tournament in football. Jamaica could have won this had BaileyRM
Yeah, I said the same - the rebound was easier to score than the penalty! Can’t believe he missed, Jamaica let USA slip through their fingers there.
good result and they are now projected to win the Gold Cup.Saw the start of Haiti- Qatar, the stadium was practically deserted. Not a great look. Qatar cement their credentials as the worst World Cup host ever by losing 2-1 to Haiti.It was a double header ( 'mericans love double headers), by the time Mexico played Honduras, the stadium was Rocking, really Rocking within a minute of the kick off when Mexico scored. I didnt watch the end, but they won 4-0 vs Honduras, which is a
I found the Haiti v Qatar game was Rocking too, even if the quality was a bit poor. I really expected Qatar to at least win this comfortably, so yes, they probably are the weakest WC host ever. Even Kanada beats Haiti every time.
say it was a fairly even match as the score suggests. Seems like a lot of English based players for Jamaica.RM
to make it 2-0. Jamaica took an early lead and Antonio was having an easy time vs the Yankee defenders, Bailey missed the PK chance to make it 2-0 and then USA grew as the game progressed, though it took them over 80 minutes to make it 1-1. I would
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 6:04:44 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:are deservedly leading.
Double Header today in Florida.
6:30pm El Salvador vs MartiniqueMartinique lead 2-0 at the half and I want to say this is a big upset, except it is not, Martinique is only ranked two spots behind El Salvador in CONCACAF rankings. According to TV guy, this is the tightest group. AS far as the game goes, Martinique
8:30pm Costa Rica vs Panama
I am going to guess there are more Salvadorinos in S.Florida, Which Island is Martinique? Is that the one which had Karembu and other French natnl team players back in the day?
It will be interesting to see how Rocking Costa Rica v Panama will be, is their a large population of them in Florida? Will americans go out to watch this match?
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 4:40:32 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 3:00:59 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:23:03 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 7:42:55 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:18:54 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 11:00:42 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 1:06:25 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
I think by now everyone is aware of the "Rockingness" of CONCACAF as a federation, I mean come on what other Continental Cup invites countries from outside of the confederation. Hell, they even invite top
countries like Brazil or Korea or Colombia to participate (Kanada beat Kolombia in the final when they won the Gold Cup back in 2000), this year Qatar is invited.
Most other confederations will have the qualifying for their tournament done years or months in advance, CONCACAF just finished the qualifying for final spots something like 2 days ago, because that is just the
free spirited Rockingness of the confederation, they wont use VARobots or 5 subs or penalty boxes or sidelines, it will all be a wide open pitch like in Cricket or Moonball or whatever that game is called? I dont even
think they will have referees and if they do, they will all be chicks in bikinis.
So if you are football deprived after what seems like 3 years of non stop football, the GOld Cup will fill that void.
You’re assuming the French speakers would rather use English rather than Spanish. Plus “d’or” sounds much closer to “Oro” than “Gold”. Copa Oro for me!Looks like more Spanish speaking than English speaking countries this year,I'd be surprised if there was any edition where that wasn't the case?
so let's call this the Copa Oro.7 Spanish, 5 English, 4 French (with Canada counting for the latter two).
Since it appears that the French somewhat uncharacteristically don't translate the name of the tournament into
Coupe d'Or, there's actually a majority for Gold Cup (not counting Qatar).
Bailey scored from the spot in the 1st half ( or even from the rebound, which was an easier shot)RM
Ciao,
Werner
Being broadcast on Viaplay in the UK but the live match times aren't kind to any UK viewer who values their sleep. Hopefully I'll still be able to stream the recordings the next day.
It would seem in Chicago the preferred nomenclature is indeed Copa Oro (signs along the pitch all said Copa Oro, not a gold cup to be found.). A decent first match for the Rockingest tournament in football. Jamaica could have won this hadRM
Yeah, I said the same - the rebound was easier to score than the penalty! Can’t believe he missed, Jamaica let USA slip through their fingers there.
good result and they are now projected to win the Gold Cup.Saw the start of Haiti- Qatar, the stadium was practically deserted. Not a great look. Qatar cement their credentials as the worst World Cup host ever by losing 2-1 to Haiti.It was a double header ( 'mericans love double headers), by the time Mexico played Honduras, the stadium was Rocking, really Rocking within a minute of the kick off when Mexico scored. I didnt watch the end, but they won 4-0 vs Honduras, which is a
I found the Haiti v Qatar game was Rocking too, even if the quality was a bit poor. I really expected Qatar to at least win this comfortably, so yes, they probably are the weakest WC host ever. Even Kanada beats Haiti every time.
would say it was a fairly even match as the score suggests. Seems like a lot of English based players for Jamaica.RM
to make it 2-0. Jamaica took an early lead and Antonio was having an easy time vs the Yankee defenders, Bailey missed the PK chance to make it 2-0 and then USA grew as the game progressed, though it took them over 80 minutes to make it 1-1. I
WE are getting finally getting rain on the Iceberg, so hopefully that puts out the Forest fires.
So I started streaming the repeat of Saint Kitts & Nevis v USA on Viaplay but USA went 2-0 up after about 20 minutes and I got bored so I fast forwarded to the end and USA won 6-0.
Not a very "rocking" game but the real result that mattered was that the board on the halfway line alternated between "Gold Cup" and "Copa Oro".
RM
I think the beauty of CONCACAF and the Gold Cup is that it answers the big questions in World football, like is Honduras better than Haiti. I personally think honduras is better ( and i Know the worlrd of football may disagree ), but I really think so.It is games like this that make CONCACAF the Rockingest confederation thing in football
I think the beauty of CONCACAF and the Gold Cup is that it answers the big questions in World football, like is Honduras better than Haiti.
I personally think honduras is better ( and i Know the worlrd of football may disagree ), but I really think so. It is games like this that make CONCACAF the Rockingest confederation thing in football
I think the beauty of CONCACAF and the Gold Cup is that it answers the big questions in World football, like is Honduras better than Haiti. I personally think honduras is better ( and i Know the worlrd of football may disagree ), but I really think so.It is games like this that make CONCACAF the Rockingest confederation thing in football
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 5:30:51 p.m. UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
So I started streaming the repeat of Saint Kitts & Nevis v USA on Viaplay but USA went 2-0 up after about 20 minutes and I got bored so I fast forwarded to the end and USA won 6-0.
Not a very "rocking" game but the real result that mattered was that the board on the halfway line alternated between "Gold Cup" and "Copa Oro".
RM
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless
the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio, Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first choice or thereabouts.
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless
the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio, Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both
also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless
the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio,
Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only
Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first
choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both
also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless >> the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio,
Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only >> Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first >> choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both
also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?Because they all just played in the CONCACAF nations' league semifinals
and finals, and after a long season including the world cup, need a rest
?
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 4:56:13 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:Because they all just played in the CONCACAF nations' league semifinals
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless >>>> the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio,
Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only >>>> Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first >>>> choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both
also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
and finals, and after a long season including the world cup, need a rest
?
You know CONCACAF better than me, but as an outsider I find this hard to comprehend. This is your confederation's championship, for crying out loud, surely you rest your best players in the Nations League and pick your strongest squad for the Gold Cup?
It's hard to imagine European teams going all out to win the Nations League then picking under strength teams for the European Championship?
Anyway, I watched some of Guadeloupe - Guatemala, which was a thoroughly entertaining game with Guatemala coming from behind to win 3-2. Bit of an odd scene with Guadeloupe scoring a goal which was then scratched off VAR and changed to a penalty toGuadeloupe - surely you just let the goal stand?
Good atmosphere from the majority Guatemalan crowd, however, throwing foreign objects at the Guadeloupe players after they scored wasn't nice and a Guatemala fan got onto the pitch in an effort to put off the Guadeloupe penalty taker, which is justpoor sportsmanship. It was the penalty they scored so ultimately had no effect, but still unpleasant.
Will such scenes be repeated at World Cup 2026, I wonder?
RM
On 2023-07-05 14:05, Real Mardin wrote:Cup?
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 4:56:13 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:Because they all just played in the CONCACAF nations' league semifinals >> and finals, and after a long season including the world cup, need a rest >> ?
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless >>>> the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio, >>>> Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only
Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first
choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both >>>> also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
You know CONCACAF better than me, but as an outsider I find this hard to comprehend. This is your confederation's championship, for crying out loud, surely you rest your best players in the Nations League and pick your strongest squad for the Gold
I don't know if this is going to be a general trend, but that isGuadeloupe - surely you just let the goal stand?
certainly what all of USA, Canada and Mexico seem to have done.
Maybe it is because there has never been all that much prestige
associated with the Gold Cup ? Our WCQ competitions have had the best
6 from the region in them (best 8 last time) for a while, so the
relative strengths of teams are pretty well known.
It's hard to imagine European teams going all out to win the Nations League then picking under strength teams for the European Championship?Maybe that day will come? There is no real reason to see the Euros,
with so many teams now qualifying and the luck of the draw significant,
as a more legitimate championship of Europe than the nations' league,
except tradition.
Anyway, I watched some of Guadeloupe - Guatemala, which was a thoroughly entertaining game with Guatemala coming from behind to win 3-2. Bit of an odd scene with Guadeloupe scoring a goal which was then scratched off VAR and changed to a penalty to
Normally yes, but maybe the goal was scored illegitimately , after apoor sportsmanship. It was the penalty they scored so ultimately had no effect, but still unpleasant.
foul occurred ?
- Guadeloupe scored the penalty to go 2-1 up but Guatemala responded
with some good attacking play to come through 3-2 winners. Guadeloupe
missed a penalty (saved by the keeper) at the end.
Good atmosphere from the majority Guatemalan crowd, however, throwing foreign objects at the Guadeloupe players after they scored wasn't nice and a Guatemala fan got onto the pitch in an effort to put off the Guadeloupe penalty taker, which is just
Will such scenes be repeated at World Cup 2026, I wonder?Doubt it. I would not give great odds of Guatemala qualifying for one
thing. Panama, Jamaica, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Trinidad and Tobago, and nowadays possibly even Curacao, Haiti, and Suriname are generally better.
RM
RM
I think the Nations league has something to do with Qualifying for Olympics or WC or something?
Anyhow, not the most Rocking cup ever, I dont give Canada much of a chance, I suppose it is better to play USA in the QF than Jamaica for the simple reason it is a derby match. Mexico probably will win this thing, be nice if Jamaica did something, Ithought they were as good as USA, Kanada on the other hand is about as good as Guadeloupe.
I think the Nations league has something to do with Qualifying for
Olympics or WC or something?
Binder Dundat wrote:
I think the Nations league has something to do with Qualifying for Olympics or WC or something?If you are on about the UEFA Nations League, then yes there are paths to qualify for both the European Championships and the FIFA World Cup based
on Nations League position, via spots in play-offs. (Not the Olympics though, as that is classed as an under-age tournament.) It's like a back-door for nations that haven't qualified directly.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 4:56:13 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless >> the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio, >> Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only
Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first
choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both >> also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?Because they all just played in the CONCACAF nations' league semifinals and finals, and after a long season including the world cup, need a rest
?
You know CONCACAF better than me, but as an outsider I find this hard to comprehend. This is your confederation's championship, for crying out loud, surely
you rest your best players in the Nations League and pick your strongest squad for the Gold Cup?
It's hard to imagine European teams going all out to win the Nations League then picking under strength teams for the European Championship?
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:05:08 PM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
You know CONCACAF better than me, but as an outsider I find this hard to comprehend. This is your confederation's championship, for crying out loud,
surely you rest your best players in the Nations League and pick your strongest
squad for the Gold Cup?
It's hard to imagine European teams going all out to win the Nations League then picking under strength teams for the European Championship?
For once, neither MLS nor Liga MX interrupt their league schedules for the tournament.
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:15:52 AM UTC+1, Blueshirt wrote:
Binder Dundat wrote:
If you are on about the UEFA Nations League, then yes there are paths to
I think the Nations league has something to do with Qualifying for
Olympics or WC or something?
qualify for both the European Championships and the FIFA World Cup based
on Nations League position, via spots in play-offs. (Not the Olympics
though, as that is classed as an under-age tournament.) It's like a
back-door for nations that haven't qualified directly.
Did anyone see the match between Costa Rica and Martinique? 6-4! That sounded like an interesting match.
Also, how good are Guatemala?
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless
the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio,
Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only
Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first
choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both
also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
You know CONCACAF better than me, but as an outsider I find this hard to comprehend. This is your confederation's championship, for crying out loud, surely you rest your best players in the Nations League and pick your strongest squad for the Gold Cup?
It's hard to imagine European teams going all out to win the Nations League then picking under strength teams for the European Championship?
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 4:05:08 PM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:some point.
You know CONCACAF better than me, but as an outsider I find this hard to comprehend. This is your confederation's championship, for crying out loud, surely you rest your best players in the Nations League and pick your strongest squad for the Gold Cup?
It's hard to imagine European teams going all out to win the Nations League then picking under strength teams for the European Championship?
Historically the post-WC Gold Cup was the "serious" one where everyone sent their top team, but with the late World Cup last year and Copa America 2024 in the US where everyone will surely be sending their top teams, the players need a extended rest at
On 2023-07-07 17:04, JG wrote:at some point.
Historically the post-WC Gold Cup was the "serious" one where everyone sent their top team, but with the late World Cup last year and Copa America 2024 in the US where everyone will surely be sending their top teams, the players need a extended rest
Hey, stranger, good to hear from you again. How's Chemistry, or are you doing something else ?
I am not looking forward to Sunday's game, I think we are in for a trouncing.
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless >> the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio,
Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only >> Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first >> choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both
also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
This has also happened frequently in the Copa America in the past, where teams have often sent inexperienced squads and left out their best
players. Eg. it is pretty hard to argue that Argentina's squad in 1997
Copa America (in Bolivia) was anything close to their best, with no Batistuta, Balbo, Ortega, Ayala, Zanetti, Claudio Lopez, Simeone, Veron, Crespo, Sensini, Chamot etc.
I think fewer teams in South America are doing this nowadays, though
Jesus or LLeo could set us straight on that.
MH escreveu:
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless >> the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio, >> Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only
Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first
choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both >> also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
This has also happened frequently in the Copa America in the past, where teams have often sent inexperienced squads and left out their best players. Eg. it is pretty hard to argue that Argentina's squad in 1997 Copa America (in Bolivia) was anything close to their best, with no Batistuta, Balbo, Ortega, Ayala, Zanetti, Claudio Lopez, Simeone, Veron, Crespo, Sensini, Chamot etc.
I think fewer teams in South America are doing this nowadays, thoughI've looked up some squad lists in Wikipedia and the most "famous" ocurrences
Jesus or LLeo could set us straight on that.
of B teams were Argentina 1997 (as you say), Brasil 2001 and 2004 and Uruguay
2001, plus Argentina not showing up in 2001 (due to security reasons). There was also Uruguay with a very young team in 1999 (average squad age circa 23),
but that was because they were in complete rebuild mode, having missed WC'1998
and seen many of their old stars retire over that decade.
Beyond the top three, the other Conmebol teams usually bring the best team they
can. I can think of a couple of exceptions, eg Chile 1997, Paraguay 2001, both
missing some of their most important players, but I think that's about it? Maybe
there are other examples, but I think there won't be many.
1997, 2001 and 2004 were editions held during the WCQ, after Copa America went
to a two-year cycle and our WCQ became a double round robin, so I think these
were the main factors. Plus, 2001 also had the security issues in Colombia, which
made Argentina and Canada withdraw before the cup started.
I don't remember understrength teams after it went to a four-year cycle and out
of the WCQ's way (ie, 2007 onwards), with the notable exception of Mexico a couple
of times (2011 and 2015 IIRC?). But then, in these years they also played the Gold
Cup and had to choose one of the cups to send the main team. I think that's why
they haven't been invited since 2015.
Best regards,
Lléo
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 4:50:36 AM UTC+1, Lléo wrote:Champions League in 1997. (I haven't seen their team line-ups for that year though.)
MH escreveu:
On 2023-07-05 04:01, Mark wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 5:57:56 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
If this tournament has shown anything, it is how toothless and clueless
the Canada B team is. We are without Davies, David, Larin, Eustaquio, >> Buchanan, Johnston, Adekugbe, Hutchinson (retired), Kaye and Koné. Only
Miller. Laryea and Vitoria are left among those you might consider first
choice or thereabouts.
We clearly have nowhere near the depth of Mexico and the US, who both >> also left a lot of their more well known names off the roster.
Why have the USA, Mexico and Canada not picked their best players?
This has also happened frequently in the Copa America in the past, where teams have often sent inexperienced squads and left out their best players. Eg. it is pretty hard to argue that Argentina's squad in 1997 Copa America (in Bolivia) was anything close to their best, with no Batistuta, Balbo, Ortega, Ayala, Zanetti, Claudio Lopez, Simeone, Veron, Crespo, Sensini, Chamot etc.
I think fewer teams in South America are doing this nowadays, though Jesus or LLeo could set us straight on that.I've looked up some squad lists in Wikipedia and the most "famous" ocurrences
of B teams were Argentina 1997 (as you say), Brasil 2001 and 2004 and Uruguay
2001, plus Argentina not showing up in 2001 (due to security reasons). There
was also Uruguay with a very young team in 1999 (average squad age circa 23),
but that was because they were in complete rebuild mode, having missed WC'1998
and seen many of their old stars retire over that decade.
Beyond the top three, the other Conmebol teams usually bring the best team theySurely Brazil a few times between 1949 and 1989?
can. I can think of a couple of exceptions, eg Chile 1997, Paraguay 2001, both
missing some of their most important players, but I think that's about it? Maybe
there are other examples, but I think there won't be many.
And I get the impression it's quite common for football clubs to field B teams in their domestic Cups. And judging by their results, Rangers certainly seemed to prioritize winning a record-equalling 9th consecutive Scottish Championship over the
Maybe we should start a new thread on how often and why teams prioritize one tournament over another.
Surely it's unusual for all the top teams to field a B team for a tournament though, as seems to be the case with this year's Gold Cup?
1997, 2001 and 2004 were editions held during the WCQ, after Copa America went
to a two-year cycle and our WCQ became a double round robin, so I think these
were the main factors. Plus, 2001 also had the security issues in Colombia, which
made Argentina and Canada withdraw before the cup started.
I don't remember understrength teams after it went to a four-year cycle and out
of the WCQ's way (ie, 2007 onwards), with the notable exception of Mexico a couple
of times (2011 and 2015 IIRC?). But then, in these years they also played the Gold
Cup and had to choose one of the cups to send the main team. I think that's why
they haven't been invited since 2015.
Best regards,
LléoYes I think the reason they changed it to every 4 years was because so many teams were sending B teams to the Copa America in the years before the World Cup.
Did Costa Rica send a B team aswell? Their results haven't been impressive. Or aren't they as good as they were about 10 or 20 years ago?
USA-Jamaica will play again... for third place.
Panama defeated the Americans in penalties,
Mike
On 2023-07-12 23:41, Michael Falkner wrote:
USA-Jamaica will play again... for third place.
Panama defeated the Americans in penalties,
Fair enough. It was a good game, Panama did very well. Also a
remarkably clean and non-niggly game by CONCACAF standards.
I have always felt that a team that progresses to a round on pens should lose, as a result of a kind of natural justice, if they go to pens yet
again in a later stage.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-07-12 23:41, Michael Falkner wrote:
USA-Jamaica will play again... for third place.
Panama defeated the Americans in penalties,
Fair enough. It was a good game, Panama did very well. Also a
remarkably clean and non-niggly game by CONCACAF standards.
I have always felt that a team that progresses to a round on pens should
lose, as a result of a kind of natural justice, if they go to pens yet
again in a later stage.
I used to maintain that that was almost something of a rule at World Cups, then Croatia blew that theory out of the water.
Ciao,
Werner
On 2023-07-13 10:33, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-07-12 23:41, Michael Falkner wrote:
USA-Jamaica will play again... for third place.
Panama defeated the Americans in penalties,
Fair enough. It was a good game, Panama did very well. Also a
remarkably clean and non-niggly game by CONCACAF standards.
I have always felt that a team that progresses to a round on pens should >> lose, as a result of a kind of natural justice, if they go to pens yet
again in a later stage.
I used to maintain that that was almost something of a rule at World Cups, then Croatia blew that theory out of the water.
Well Argentina in 1990 sorta did as well.
USA-Jamaica will play again... for third place.
Panama defeated the Americans in penalties, Mexico beat Jamaica 3-0.
Mike
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:41:20 AM UTC+1, Michael Falkner wrote:
USA-Jamaica will play again... for third place.
There isn't a 3rd place play-off anymore. I don't know why.
Panama defeated the Americans in penalties, Mexico beat Jamaica 3-0.
Mike
It'd be good to see 1 of the underdogs win it for once. Go Panama!
Mexico wins the final 1-0.
Sorry bout the other -- I'm surprised there isn't a third-place final, especially with the number of doubleheaders they scheduled anyway!
Mike
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