Other close races: Denmark (we know all about this from UPT,
top 4 within four points).
Also, there's a first-time champion in Poland (Raków Częstochowa).
On 2023-05-10, Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, there's a first-time champion in Poland (Raków Częstochowa).
Is this a fairytale or financial doping?
On 2023-05-10, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
Other close races: Denmark (we know all about this from UPT,
top 4 within four points).
In the third division the two leaders hosted the two pursuers and the
results were 1-5 and 1-3. That's now a top 4 within 2 points. 2 teams promoted.
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:40:38 AM UTC+2, MH wrote:
There are also quite interesting relegation battles in
1. France - 4 teams go down this year and no barrages. Former champions Nantes, Strasbourg and Auxerre among the teams that could still drop.
The bottom three pretty much determined, but the fight for the last relegation place could be intense.
2. Germany. 3 games left and nobody relegated yet. 7 teams still
possibles for relegation, and the most likely group includes Schalke, Stuttgart and Hertha Berlin. Two go down directly, one gets a chance against 3rd Place 2 BL - probably HSV.
3. Scotland - yes Celtic are already champs and will do the domestic treble yet again if they win the cup vs. 2nd Tier Inverness. But the relegation fight is far from over. Dundee United (last place for most
of the year) Kilmarnock and Ross County all within a point. Bottom relegated, 2nd bottom gets a playoff (vs. Partick Thistle, Ayr United or Queen's Park). Dundee promoted.
4. Spain. 5 games left. Elche already down, but the list of other candidates goes all the way up to Celta in 13th (they have a reasonable cushion though). In danger are Espanyol (19th) and Valencia (17th). Getafe, Cadiz, Valladolid and Almeria are also in the battle. 2 points between Almeria in 14th and Getafe in 18th. Hard to keep track of the permutations since Head-to-Head is used to resolve ties.The race for promotion is even closer.
With three matches to go:
Las Palmas 67
Eibar 67
--
Granada 66
Alavés 66
Levante 65
Albacete 62
--
Cartagena 58
As in England, the Top 2 are promoted directly, third to sixth go to the promotion play-off.
The championships in Belgium (3 teams) and Germany (2)are also going to
be very tight races.
There's also the chance of a changing of the guard in two leagues.
In Bulgaria, where Ludogorets have won 11 in a row, they are currently just one
point ahead of CSKA-Sofia with five games to go and one match between the two still left to play.
(As an aside, I remember that Elko insisted on the dash '-', due to this version of
CSKA(-) taking over the licence of another team after bankruptcy, while at the
same time a group of fans founded a 'new' CSKA of their own, styled CSKA 1948,
and a couple of years later that team is currently sitting in third behind CSKA- and
Ludogorets. I wonder how Elko feels about two CSKA's being ahead of Levski now.
('This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!')
What's more, CSKA 1948's second team also leads the Vtora liga, or Second Divison,
by a healthy margin.)
I'm jinxing it by writing this, but similarly there's an outside chance of an upset in
Austria, too, where Sturm Graz are still kind of keeping up with nine-championships-in-a-row
Salzburg (also thanks to the halving of the points after 22 matchdays), and have not
only won the Austrian Cup, but are 'just' three-and-a-half points behind Red Bull, with
one match between the two (in Salzburg) still left to play.
Other close races: Czech Republic (Sparta two points ahead of Slavia with one match
between the two still to play next Saturday)
and Denmark (we know all about this from UPT, top 4 within four points).
Also, there's a first-time champion in Poland (Raków Częstochowa).
Notably, most of the above mentioned leagues (Belgium, Bulgaria, Austria, Czech Republic,
Denmark) have changed to a Championship Playoff system in the last couple of years.
Entering Monday:
All with 1 game to play except Leicester, who goes to Newcastle United Monday.
Everton 33 pts -24 GD A win at home over AFC Bournemouth
assures they stay up unless Leicester City win twice. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Leeds United 31 pts -27 GD Must win over Tottenham Hotspur or are
relegated, and need help otherwise.
Leicester City 30 pts -18 GD Must win at least one game, and may need
further help. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Southampton See you in the Championship next season.
If neither Leeds United nor Leicester City gain a victory the remainder
of the season, they both go down and Everton stay up.
If Tottenham defeats Leicester City, Leicester is demoted unless they
win their final game, Everton loses to AFC Bournemouth, and Leeds does
not defeat Tottenham Hotspur.
The only way Everton now gets demoted is if both Leeds United and
Leicester City win at least one game and Everton loses to AFC
Bournemoth, or Leeds wins once, Leicester twice, and Everton loses to >Bournemouth.
Leeds can still be demoted with a win, if Leicester wins twice and
Everton at least draws (as long as Leeds does not win by 4 or more).
Mike
Everton safe with a win in the final game home to AFC Bournemouth.
A draw sees them relegated if Leicester City win.
Leicester City or Leeds United must win to stay up. Leicester City
stays up with a win home to West Ham unless Everton wins (or Leeds
United wins by a half a dozen more goals). For Leeds United to stay up,
they must win home to Tottenham Hotspur, Leicester City cannot win, and >Everton must lose.
Mike
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:23:25 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:40:38 AM UTC+2, MH wrote:
There are also quite interesting relegation battles in
1. France - 4 teams go down this year and no barrages. Former champions Nantes, Strasbourg and Auxerre among the teams that could still drop. The bottom three pretty much determined, but the fight for the last relegation place could be intense.
2. Germany. 3 games left and nobody relegated yet. 7 teams still possibles for relegation, and the most likely group includes Schalke, Stuttgart and Hertha Berlin. Two go down directly, one gets a chance against 3rd Place 2 BL - probably HSV.
3. Scotland - yes Celtic are already champs and will do the domestic treble yet again if they win the cup vs. 2nd Tier Inverness. But the relegation fight is far from over. Dundee United (last place for most
of the year) Kilmarnock and Ross County all within a point. Bottom relegated, 2nd bottom gets a playoff (vs. Partick Thistle, Ayr United or Queen's Park). Dundee promoted.
4. Spain. 5 games left. Elche already down, but the list of other candidates goes all the way up to Celta in 13th (they have a reasonable cushion though). In danger are Espanyol (19th) and Valencia (17th). Getafe, Cadiz, Valladolid and Almeria are also in the battle. 2 points between Almeria in 14th and Getafe in 18th. Hard to keep track of the permutations since Head-to-Head is used to resolve ties.
The race for promotion is even closer.
One round to go:
Granada 72
Las Palmas 71
--
Alavés 70
Levante 69
Eibar 68
Albacete 64
--
Las Palmas hosting Alavés on the last matchday.
As in England, the Top 2 are promoted directly, third to sixth go to the promotion play-off.
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
and Germany (2)are also going to
be very tight races.
There's also the chance of a changing of the guard in two leagues.
In Bulgaria, where Ludogorets have won 11 in a row, they are currently just one
point ahead of CSKA-Sofia with five games to go and one match between the two still left to play.
That one ended 2-2. Ludogorets still one point ahead, three matches to go.
and Denmark (we know all about this from UPT, top 4 within four points).
Also, there's a first-time champion in Poland (Raków Częstochowa).
And one in Luxembourg - Swift Hesperange, founded in 1916, first reached the top
level in 1985, national cup winners in 1990, have now won the championship for
the first time.
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
On 2023-05-30 02:42, Werner Pichler wrote:
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
Is that true?
I thought the first tie break was to take away the
rounded up points from the regular season. Those were Genk 75, Union
75, Antwerp 72 if I remember aright. So Antwerp would win that. Second
tie break is placing in regular season (including GD if the teams were
tied in the regular season which would have given Genk the win - that
can't happen now as there is no way of Union and Genk tying for first.
Thet can end up equal on 46 points, but then Antwerpy would have 47.
On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-05-30 02:42, Werner Pichler wrote:
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
Is that true?
Nah it's not. I had thought Belgium did the halving of points like Austria, rounding down and
assigning an asterisk (i.e. .5 points, it would be so much easier if they just did it that way) to
those teams that had been on odd points before the halving, but they (somewhat illogically,
to my mind) do it the other way round, first rounding up and then giving precedence to those
teams that had been on even points before the halving.
So, since I failed to understand why Union were in 2nd, I jumped to the wrong conclusion that it had been because of their 2nd place in the regular season.
On 2023-06-02 03:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-05-30 02:42, Werner Pichler wrote:
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
Is that true?
Nah it's not. I had thought Belgium did the halving of points like Austria, rounding down and
assigning an asterisk (i.e. .5 points, it would be so much easier if they just did it that way) to
those teams that had been on odd points before the halving, but they (somewhat illogically,
to my mind) do it the other way round, first rounding up and then giving precedence to those
teams that had been on even points before the halving.
So, since I failed to understand why Union were in 2nd, I jumped to the wrong
conclusion that it had been because of their 2nd place in the regular season.
Well the finish was about as dramatic as it could be.
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:59:26 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2023-06-02 03:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-05-30 02:42, Werner Pichler wrote:
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
Is that true?
Nah it's not. I had thought Belgium did the halving of points like Austria, rounding down and
assigning an asterisk (i.e. .5 points, it would be so much easier if they just did it that way) to
those teams that had been on odd points before the halving, but they (somewhat illogically,
to my mind) do it the other way round, first rounding up and then giving precedence to those
teams that had been on even points before the halving.
So, since I failed to understand why Union were in 2nd, I jumped to the wrong
conclusion that it had been because of their 2nd place in the regular season.
Well the finish was about as dramatic as it could be.
Yep. Well done to the Jupiler League, and congrats to Antwerp.
On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:18:13 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:23:25 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:40:38 AM UTC+2, MH wrote:
There are also quite interesting relegation battles in
1. France - 4 teams go down this year and no barrages. Former champions
Nantes, Strasbourg and Auxerre among the teams that could still drop. The bottom three pretty much determined, but the fight for the last relegation place could be intense.
Nantes are winless in the league since February (and also heavily lost the Coupe de
France final during that run), so perhaps not that intense, although they are still in
with a shot since with two points to make up they host dead-last Angers on the
last matchday while Auxerre have a more daunting task against runners-up Lens.
3. Scotland - yes Celtic are already champs and will do the domestic treble yet again if they win the cup vs. 2nd Tier Inverness. But the relegation fight is far from over. Dundee United (last place for most of the year) Kilmarnock and Ross County all within a point. Bottom relegated, 2nd bottom gets a playoff (vs. Partick Thistle, Ayr United or
Queen's Park). Dundee promoted.
One Dundee up, one Dundee down.
Ross County against Partick Thistle for last spot.
4. Spain. 5 games left. Elche already down, but the list of other candidates goes all the way up to Celta in 13th (they have a reasonable
cushion though). In danger are Espanyol (19th) and Valencia (17th). Getafe, Cadiz, Valladolid and Almeria are also in the battle. 2 points between Almeria in 14th and Getafe in 18th. Hard to keep track of the permutations since Head-to-Head is used to resolve ties.
Espanyol go down. The remaining relegation spot is one out of six.
The race for promotion is even closer.
As in England, the Top 2 are promoted directly, third to sixth go to the promotion play-off.
Levante - Albacete
Alavés - Eibar
Also, the third promotion spot in Italy, will belong to one of either Cagliari,
Buffon's Parma, Bari, or, most improbably, FC Südtirol.
There's also the chance of a changing of the guard in two leagues.
In Bulgaria, where Ludogorets have won 11 in a row, they are currently just one
point ahead of CSKA-Sofia with five games to go and one match between the
two still left to play.
That one ended 2-2. Ludogorets still one point ahead, three matches to go.
Two rounds to go, and CSKA- have taken the lead by one point. Next up, the CSKA derby between them and CSKA 1948.
Also, the third promotion spot in Italy, will belong to one of either Cagliari,Not Südtirol nor Parma, shame. Bari vs Cagliari in the play-off final.
Buffon's Parma, Bari, or, most improbably, FC Südtirol.
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 11:15:14 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:59:26 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2023-06-02 03:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-05-30 02:42, Werner Pichler wrote:
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
Is that true?
Nah it's not. I had thought Belgium did the halving of points like Austria, rounding down and
assigning an asterisk (i.e. .5 points, it would be so much easier if they just did it that way) to
those teams that had been on odd points before the halving, but they (somewhat illogically,
to my mind) do it the other way round, first rounding up and then giving precedence to those
teams that had been on even points before the halving.
Well the finish was about as dramatic as it could be.
So, since I failed to understand why Union were in 2nd, I jumped to the wrong
conclusion that it had been because of their 2nd place in the regular season.
Yep. Well done to the Jupiler League, and congrats to Antwerp.
Somewhat artificially induced excitement, but excitement nonetheless.
It's become a clear trend all over Europe to tweak the league competitions towards something resembling a play-off format, with more meaningful
matches played in spring.
Switzerland will be the next to follow from 23/24.
Ciao,
Werner
On 2023-06-05 02:16, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 11:15:14 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 3:59:26 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2023-06-02 03:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 10:49:51 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2023-05-30 02:42, Werner Pichler wrote:
The championships in Belgium (3 teams)
This one goes down to the wire, thanks to their controversial
Championship play-off.
Before the last matchday:
1 Royal Antwerp 46
2 Union SG 46
3 Genk 45
4 Brugge 33
Genk host Antwerp next Sunday while Union host Brugge who have nothing to play for.
Should both Royal and Union win (or both draw), the title will go to Antwerp due to goal
difference in the regular season (!).
Is that true?
Nah it's not. I had thought Belgium did the halving of points like Austria, rounding down and
assigning an asterisk (i.e. .5 points, it would be so much easier if they just did it that way) to
those teams that had been on odd points before the halving, but they (somewhat illogically,
to my mind) do it the other way round, first rounding up and then giving precedence to those
teams that had been on even points before the halving.
It would be more straightforward (if it is believed people can't handle fractions) to have the championship round games count for double points.
Well the finish was about as dramatic as it could be.
Yep. Well done to the Jupiler League, and congrats to Antwerp.
Somewhat artificially induced excitement, but excitement nonetheless.
It's become a clear trend all over Europe to tweak the league competitions towards something resembling a play-off format, with more meaningful matches played in spring.
Switzerland will be the next to follow from 23/24.
I have a vague recollection that the Swiss tried something similar
before. Did they ?
The Swedes had a playoff system in the past too.
Scotland's system is not great because it is unbalanced (only one game
vs. each of the other 5, not home and away in both the regular league (3 rounds) and the championship/relegation rounds (1 round).
Might be better to go with 14 teams in their premier league (26 games)
and a double round robin for the top six, with the bottom 8 joining the
top 4 from the Championship for two groups of 6 .
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 7:26:04 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 5:27:22 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:Verona up 3-1 with about 15 minutes to go. Two of the Verona goals came off deflections by Ethan Ampadu (would have been own goals in old Serie A), and Ampadu got on the scoresheet himself for the right side (this too a twice deflected shot).
In Serie A, Spezia and Verona will battle it out in a relegation playoff,Also, the third promotion spot in Italy, will belong to one of either Cagliari,Not Südtirol nor Parma, shame. Bari vs Cagliari in the play-off final.
Buffon's Parma, Bari, or, most improbably, FC Südtirol.
However, the most interesting thing has been Faraoni (of Verona) doing a Luis Suarez in the 68th minute. DOGSO red card and penalty, which Mbala Nzola tamely shot at Montipo`. Was it the right decision with so much time left to go?
Anyway, now Spezia taking advantage of the one-man advantage and throwing the kitchen sink at Verona, but Montipo` has decided to channel his inner Buffon and has kept everything at bay.
Elsewhere, Cagliari promoted to Serie A thanks to a 94th minute winner.
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 5:27:22 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
In Serie A, Spezia and Verona will battle it out in a relegation playoff,Also, the third promotion spot in Italy, will belong to one of either Cagliari,Not Südtirol nor Parma, shame. Bari vs Cagliari in the play-off final.
Buffon's Parma, Bari, or, most improbably, FC Südtirol.
Elsewhere, Cagliari promoted to Serie A thanks to a 94th minute winner.
On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:42:56 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:18:13 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:23:25 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
The race for promotion is even closer.
As in England, the Top 2 are promoted directly, third to sixth go to the
promotion play-off.
Levante - Albacete
Alavés - Eibar
First legs Albacete - Levante 1-3 and Eibar - Alavés 1-1.
There's also the chance of a changing of the guard in two leagues.
In Bulgaria, where Ludogorets have won 11 in a row, they are currently just one
point ahead of CSKA-Sofia with five games to go and one match between the
two still left to play.
That one ended 2-2. Ludogorets still one point ahead, three matches to go.
Two rounds to go, and CSKA- have taken the lead by one point. Next up, the CSKA derby between them and CSKA 1948.
And CSKA- most likely blew their chance by only drawing 1-1 against their doppelgangers, while Ludogorets late on turned a 1-2 deficit against Levski into a 3-2 win.
Ludogorets again one point ahead and will win the title with an away win against
Varna who have nothing to play for.
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 11:27:22 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:42:56 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:18:13 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:23:25 AM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
The race for promotion is even closer.
As in England, the Top 2 are promoted directly, third to sixth go to the
promotion play-off.
Levante - Albacete
Alavés - Eibar
First legs Albacete - Levante 1-3 and Eibar - Alavés 1-1.
First leg of the final between Levante and Alavés ended 0-0 in Vitoria-Gasteiz.
Return leg next Saturday.
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