I often am asked to help people over the phone on Windows where I ask them
if they have Irfanview installed as a test of their PC knowledge level.
This is a "graceful" test (without them knowing why I ask) of the noobs.
For the noobs, if they don't have Irfanview, I ask them what they use to
view pictures and videos and if they don't even know that, then they're a noob for sure so I know to treat them as noobs and I ask no further.
If they answer with PhotoShop, then I treat them as an expert, but it's not hard to figure out expert levels so I'm concentrating on finding the noobs.
But sometimes they tell me they never bother to look at pictures or video,
so I need another question to ask them to figure out in a single quick but graceful test whether they're Windows PC noobs or not.
What graceful noob question can I ask for those who don't view images?
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On 6/3/2022 2:48 AM, wasbit wrote:I have a copy (still in shrinkwrap somewhere) of photoshop LE that came with a scanner i bought many years ago.
"Mayayana" <maya...@invalid.nospam> wrote in message news:t737fd$2bl$1...@dont-email.me...
"John Robertson" <sp...@flippers.com> wrote
| If they answer with PhotoShop, then I treat them as an expert
My term for that is "sucker". But a lot of people
in business are forced to use PS, so it's not so clearcut.
So maybe I'd have 3 categories: sucker, business user, and
"Mom bought it for me".
I believe that Photoshop was sometimes included in the installedI don't recall Photoshop ever packaged with scanners or other equipment.
software bundle when you bought a new computer.
Probably it would then come under your category of "Mom bought it for
me" but your categories are generalisations that have a very wide scope.
I think you probably recall Photoshop ELEMENTS, a much less capable and
much less expensive suite.
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On 5/06/2022 12:42 am, Mayayana wrote:
"geoff" <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote
| I use Word all day. It's easier than having to decide if Notepad with do | the job, or if Wordpad would be required.
|
That makes sense for people who write a lot of formal
letters. Though I don't appreciate getting a short note
that I need to crank up Libre Office to read. For DOC I
keep a VBScript on my desktop to translate them. (DOC
encoding is now public.) But for DOCX I can't do that.
Even opening a DOCX as ZIP, it's a surprisingly complicated
mess of files.)
For those of us who rarely write a formal letter, there's no
reason to install Word or to have all that bloat loaded all
the time. I keep a lot of plain text files. Notes. Records.
Articles I read online that I copied and pasted. And I often
have instances open with a URL, a note I'm writing, etc.
Like a visible, multiple clipboard. Basic English
ANSI is very efficient and compact. And reading in Notepad
is very comfortable. Usually if I want a bit more formatting
I'll just make a quick HTML file. I can also send that to others.
I would never assume other people can handle a DOC or DOCX.
But an HTML, or a DOC converted to PDF, is pretty much
universal.
Bloat ? You click the icon and a second or two later you can do
anything you can imagine. How is that a problem, or somehow inefficient?
Who cares what extra maybe installed that you may not nee?. HDDs
aren't 10MB and slow for quite a while now ....
geoff
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 05:04:06 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
On 5/06/2022 12:42 am, Mayayana wrote:
"geoff" <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> wroteBloat ? You click the icon and a second or two later you can do
| I use Word all day. It's easier than having to decide if Notepad with do >>> | the job, or if Wordpad would be required.
|
That makes sense for people who write a lot of formal
letters. Though I don't appreciate getting a short note
that I need to crank up Libre Office to read. For DOC I
keep a VBScript on my desktop to translate them. (DOC
encoding is now public.) But for DOCX I can't do that.
Even opening a DOCX as ZIP, it's a surprisingly complicated
mess of files.)
For those of us who rarely write a formal letter, there's no
reason to install Word or to have all that bloat loaded all
the time. I keep a lot of plain text files. Notes. Records.
Articles I read online that I copied and pasted. And I often
have instances open with a URL, a note I'm writing, etc.
Like a visible, multiple clipboard. Basic English
ANSI is very efficient and compact. And reading in Notepad
is very comfortable. Usually if I want a bit more formatting
I'll just make a quick HTML file. I can also send that to others.
I would never assume other people can handle a DOC or DOCX.
But an HTML, or a DOC converted to PDF, is pretty much
universal.
anything you can imagine. How is that a problem, or somehow inefficient?
Who cares what extra maybe installed that you may not nee?. HDDs
aren't 10MB and slow for quite a while now ....
I use word and excel and as I get them free via work I don't mind the bloat. But with word at 2.24GB, excel at 1.95GB, outlook 2GB, onenote 1GB, that's 7GB
which is 7 mins of 4K cat video ;-)
But I can do almost anything I want using google docs which I don;t think takes up anyspace and I have the goggle drive
which I have 15GB space on and only about 50% full and most of that cna be deleted if I wanted to.
On 7/06/2022 3:40 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 05:04:06 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
On 5/06/2022 12:42 am, Mayayana wrote:
"geoff" <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> wroteBloat ? You click the icon and a second or two later you can do
| I use Word all day. It's easier than having to decide if Notepad with do
| the job, or if Wordpad would be required.
|
That makes sense for people who write a lot of formal
letters. Though I don't appreciate getting a short note
that I need to crank up Libre Office to read. For DOC I
keep a VBScript on my desktop to translate them. (DOC
encoding is now public.) But for DOCX I can't do that.
Even opening a DOCX as ZIP, it's a surprisingly complicated
mess of files.)
For those of us who rarely write a formal letter, there's no
reason to install Word or to have all that bloat loaded all
the time. I keep a lot of plain text files. Notes. Records.
Articles I read online that I copied and pasted. And I often
have instances open with a URL, a note I'm writing, etc.
Like a visible, multiple clipboard. Basic English
ANSI is very efficient and compact. And reading in Notepad
is very comfortable. Usually if I want a bit more formatting
I'll just make a quick HTML file. I can also send that to others.
I would never assume other people can handle a DOC or DOCX.
But an HTML, or a DOC converted to PDF, is pretty much
universal.
anything you can imagine. How is that a problem, or somehow inefficient? >> Who cares what extra maybe installed that you may not nee?. HDDs
aren't 10MB and slow for quite a while now ....
I use word and excel and as I get them free via work I don't mind the bloat.Whoop-dee-doo. So ?
But with word at 2.24GB, excel at 1.95GB, outlook 2GB, onenote 1GB, that's 7GB
which is 7 mins of 4K cat video ;-)
But I can do almost anything I want using google docs which I dont think takes up anyspace and I have the goggle drivePleased for you.
which I have 15GB space on and only about 50% full and most of that cna be deleted if I wanted to.
geoff
On Monday, 6 June 2022 at 21:57:51 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
On 7/06/2022 3:40 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 05:04:06 UTC+1, geoff wrote:Whoop-dee-doo. So ?
On 5/06/2022 12:42 am, Mayayana wrote:
"geoff" <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> wroteBloat ? You click the icon and a second or two later you can do
| I use Word all day. It's easier than having to decide if Notepad with do
| the job, or if Wordpad would be required.
|
That makes sense for people who write a lot of formal
letters. Though I don't appreciate getting a short note
that I need to crank up Libre Office to read. For DOC I
keep a VBScript on my desktop to translate them. (DOC
encoding is now public.) But for DOCX I can't do that.
Even opening a DOCX as ZIP, it's a surprisingly complicated
mess of files.)
For those of us who rarely write a formal letter, there's no
reason to install Word or to have all that bloat loaded all
the time. I keep a lot of plain text files. Notes. Records.
Articles I read online that I copied and pasted. And I often
have instances open with a URL, a note I'm writing, etc.
Like a visible, multiple clipboard. Basic English
ANSI is very efficient and compact. And reading in Notepad
is very comfortable. Usually if I want a bit more formatting
I'll just make a quick HTML file. I can also send that to others.
I would never assume other people can handle a DOC or DOCX.
But an HTML, or a DOC converted to PDF, is pretty much
universal.
anything you can imagine. How is that a problem, or somehow inefficient? >>>> Who cares what extra maybe installed that you may not nee?. HDDs
aren't 10MB and slow for quite a while now ....
I use word and excel and as I get them free via work I don't mind the bloat.
But with word at 2.24GB, excel at 1.95GB, outlook 2GB, onenote 1GB, that's 7GB
which is 7 mins of 4K cat video ;-)
It means that if work didn't pay for and want me to use MS then I wouldn't pay or use it, because at home I don't need to read documents that have been sent to me with the
latest fonts, formulas, cells and whatever else has been used.
Pleased for you.
But I can do almost anything I want using google docs which I dont think takes up anyspace and I have the goggle drive
which I have 15GB space on and only about 50% full and most of that cna be deleted if I wanted to.
Me too, I use what suits me for what I want to do.
"Paul" <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote
| A simple Google isn't going to train you on how to use
| the Federated Search feature. That's what makes it awful
| in the year 2022. The participants here know not to use it.
I'd never heard of that. But I saw an interview yesterday
with a woman who's written a novel about a future where
algorythms determine, based on social media history and so on,
your creditworthiness, trustworthiness, and so on. Typical
geek logic: "Fucking would be so much easier if I could make my
computer do it for me. And there'd be a lot less slime to clean up.
It's a win/win, worthy of a big IPO."
I think I agree with none.given here. This all makes my head
hurt. If it doesn't go into my microwave for 3 minutes and come
out looking like food, I don't want to know about it. Why complicate
life? I have enough trouble with people who don't replace the
toilet paper roll, without having to worry about irritating
things like variety, efficiency, color, curiosity... Why is there more
than one kind of bee, for God's sake? Fuck that. Shut up. :)
.. a novel about a future where
algorythms determine, based on social media history and so on,
your creditworthiness, trustworthiness, and so on.
On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 10:10:44 pm UTC+10, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote
| A simple Google isn't going to train you on how to use
| the Federated Search feature. That's what makes it awful
| in the year 2022. The participants here know not to use it.
I'd never heard of that. But I saw an interview yesterday
with a woman who's written a novel about a future where
algorythms determine, based on social media history and so on,
your creditworthiness, trustworthiness, and so on. Typical
geek logic: "Fucking would be so much easier if I could make my
computer do it for me. And there'd be a lot less slime to clean up.
It's a win/win, worthy of a big IPO."
I think I agree with none.given here. This all makes my head
hurt. If it doesn't go into my microwave for 3 minutes and come
out looking like food, I don't want to know about it. Why complicate
life? I have enough trouble with people who don't replace the
toilet paper roll, without having to worry about irritating
things like variety, efficiency, color, curiosity... Why is there more
than one kind of bee, for God's sake? Fuck that. Shut up. :)
.. a novel about a future where
algorythms determine, based on social media history and so on,
your creditworthiness, trustworthiness, and so on.
The future? Sounds more like the present day in a certain very populous country on the Western side of the Pacific.
Cheers,
Magani
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