https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
gggg gggg schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2023 um 18:14:34 UTC+1:and a bunch of absolute idiots must have conducted this absolutely senseless and absolutely idiotic study.
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
Actually the title is complete nonsense and the article itself proves this:
"Based on the available information, individual indicators—so-called “polygenic scores”—could be calculated for the genetic risk of the participants for mental illnesses as well as their genetic predisposition for musicality."
Note the word "could"... All assumptions and hypotheses, yet the title makes it out to be that science has proved this... what nonsense. There is so much wrong with this article... almost (if not) every sentence, a bunch of idiots must have written it
It is scientifically impossible to prove that there is genetic predisposition for musicality (not saying there isn't, it's just not provable; logically ofc musical families will more likely have musical children than non musical families... because ofsheer exposure, same goes for say scientifically oriented families etc)
Max Planck Institut; you can trust them in physics, chemistry, biochemistry or biology related stuff (most of the times anyway), but this is just absolute nonsense.
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
We are talking about performers here - musically active - not people who "are musical" or "like music".Yes, I was going to say so, too, in response to the RMCR genius.
Herman schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2023 um 21:18:39 UTC+1:article and look up the part I quoted... My criticism is legitimate and precise.
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:Not in the part I quoted you genius... You really have no eye (and no ear) for details. This is the exact reason you fell for the vaccine nonsense in the first place... (vaccines were only good for elderly and people with comorbidities). Read the
We are talking about performers here - musically active - not people who "are musical" or "like music".Yes, I was going to say so, too, in response to the RMCR genius.
We are talking about performers here - musically active - not people who "are musical" or "like music".
Stress in active musicians is well known and the subject of a lot of ongoing research and charitable help from organisations like Help Musicians and BAPAM in the UK. Depression and burnout are career related though there may be some genetic componentin depression. Bipolar has a stronger genetic component, but stress as a trigger may be significant in some measure. A lot of work is being done in several countries on this subject. More so with musicians than actors or dancers, who make up a smaller
Dancers have serious occupational hazards, too, in the hips, knees and ankles, which is why there are virtually no dancers over age 40.
My daughter once told me there's a form of Parkinson's that's
basically unique to musicians.... (I think it was a warning.)
In article <df2041f0-dfff-4edd...@googlegroups.com>,
Andy Evans <performan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Could she have been talking about Focal Dystonia?I don't really know, but there do appear to be a variety of potential pathologies....
On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 20:18:39 UTC, Herman wrote:
One interesting fact is that dancers don't suffer from performance anxiety in the same way as orchestral musicians. They run and jump, which is the correct use of adrenalin. In contrast orchestral musicians sit still in chairs, which causes a lot ofcognitive dissonance apart from not working off the rise in adrenalin. Add to that the fear of bow shake from stiff limbs and hands as a result of adrenalin and you have a nasty cocktail.
I know, my mom was a ballet dancer (long time ago), I grew up among
dancers.
Could she have been talking about Focal Dystonia?
The health of musicians matters to all of us who are musically
active and by extension everyone who is grateful for what musicians
do for us.
On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 17:14:34 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:are musical" or "like music". Studies of stress in musicians are plentiful, and I would recommend in particular "Pressure Sensitive" by Geoff Wills, and excellent book with a lot of data in it and a lively and informed text from a psychologist who is
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
Thanks. Interesting data based on a large number of respondents. The incidence of depression, burnout and bipolar is described as "slightly higher" in musically active subjects. We are talking about performers here - musically active - not people who "
Stress in active musicians is well known and the subject of a lot of ongoing research and charitable help from organisations like Help Musicians and BAPAM in the UK. Depression and burnout are career related though there may be some genetic componentin depression. Bipolar has a stronger genetic component, but stress as a trigger may be significant in some measure. A lot of work is being done in several countries on this subject. More so with musicians than actors or dancers, who make up a smaller
Burnout is a particular risk in classical musicians and orchestral musicians who are under greater stress because of the substantially greater technical challenges they face and their often exhausting schedules, which include teaching, touring,rehearsals and practising. Hardly news to the musicians on this ng.
On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 20:22:33 UTC, Marc S wrote:article and look up the part I quoted... My criticism is legitimate and precise.
Herman schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2023 um 21:18:39 UTC+1:
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:02:45 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:Not in the part I quoted you genius... You really have no eye (and no ear) for details. This is the exact reason you fell for the vaccine nonsense in the first place... (vaccines were only good for elderly and people with comorbidities). Read the
We are talking about performers here - musically active - not people who "are musical" or "like music".Yes, I was going to say so, too, in response to the RMCR genius.
More gibberish from the Sultan of Schlock. As usual he's on some planet in his own solar system. The psychology of musicians has been my job for a good 30 years, and I ran an MA course in Performance Health for many years as well as writing 5 books onthe subject. Our "RMCR genius" knows about as much on the subject as you could put in a matchbox after replacing all the matches. I'm being generous here. The health of musicians matters to all of us who are musically active and by extension everyone who
On 2/9/2023 3:02 PM, Andy Evans wrote:"are musical" or "like music". Studies of stress in musicians are plentiful, and I would recommend in particular "Pressure Sensitive" by Geoff Wills, and excellent book with a lot of data in it and a lively and informed text from a psychologist who is
On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 17:14:34 UTC, gggg gggg wrote:
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
Thanks. Interesting data based on a large number of respondents. The incidence of depression, burnout and bipolar is described as "slightly higher" in musically active subjects. We are talking about performers here - musically active - not people who
in depression. Bipolar has a stronger genetic component, but stress as a trigger may be significant in some measure. A lot of work is being done in several countries on this subject. More so with musicians than actors or dancers, who make up a smallerStress in active musicians is well known and the subject of a lot of ongoing research and charitable help from organisations like Help Musicians and BAPAM in the UK. Depression and burnout are career related though there may be some genetic component
rehearsals and practising. Hardly news to the musicians on this ng.Burnout is a particular risk in classical musicians and orchestral musicians who are under greater stress because of the substantially greater technical challenges they face and their often exhausting schedules, which include teaching, touring,
Is there research on stress/ mental issues experienced by air traffic controllers, firefighters, police, soldiers, dentists, Financial analysts, PH.D Students? Do musicians suffer any more than these (and probably many other) occupational groups? Do weknow whether people who are attracted to dangerous occupations have a genetic component to their problems?
Is there research on stress/ mental issues experienced by air traffic controllers, firefighters, police, soldiers, dentists, Financial analysts, PH.D Students? Do musicians suffer any more than these (and probably many other) occupational groups? Do weknow whether people who are attracted to dangerous occupations have a genetic component to their problems?
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:14:34 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
ROTFL !!!
On 2023-02-09 18:04:57 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:14:34 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
ROTFL !!!Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you my strongest evidence:
rec.music.classical.recordings
-Owen
On 2023-02-09 18:04:57 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:14:34 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
ROTFL !!!Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you my strongest evidence:
rec.music.classical.recordings
-Owen
On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:05:44 PM UTC+1, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-02-09 18:04:57 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:14:34 AM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
https://neurosciencenews.com/music-genetics-mental-health-22468/
ROTFL !!!Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I submit to you my strongest evidence:
rec.music.classical.recordings
-OwenMost 'musically active' members have been pushed out by the armchair generals.
On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 20:18:39 UTC, Herman wrote:Incidence of injuries is well documented and the subject matter of numerous conferences and the Healthier Dancer Programme in the UK.
Dancers have serious occupational hazards, too, in the hips, knees and ankles, which is why there are virtually no dancers over age 40.
Yes indeed, all too true. I was the Career Psychologist for the major established and independent ballet companies in the UK for 15 years, and I saw hundreds of our best dancers during transition which as you say usually takes place in the mid 30s.
One interesting fact is that dancers don't suffer from performance anxiety in the same way as orchestral musicians. They run and jump, which is the correct use of adrenalin. In contrast orchestral musicians sit still in chairs, which causes a lot ofcognitive dissonance apart from not working off the rise in adrenalin. Add to that the fear of bow shake from stiff limbs and hands as a result of adrenalin and you have a nasty cocktail.
In contrast orchestral musicians sit still in chairs, which causes a lot of cognitive dissonance apart from not working off the rise in adrenalin. Add to that the fear of bow shake from stiff limbs and hands as a result of adrenalin and you have anasty cocktail.
If the sitting still is a problem, could the orchestra spin on exercise cycles ? Then when they play they
can work out.
On Monday, 13 February 2023 at 17:44:21 UTC, Pluted Pup wrote:
If the sitting still is a problem, could the orchestra spin onGood idea. The bicycles could power the lighting in the halls they
exercise cycles ? Then when they play they can work out.
play in.
On Monday, 13 February 2023 at 17:44:21 UTC, Pluted Pup wrote:nasty cocktail.
In contrast orchestral musicians sit still in chairs, which causes a lot of cognitive dissonance apart from not working off the rise in adrenalin. Add to that the fear of bow shake from stiff limbs and hands as a result of adrenalin and you have a
If the sitting still is a problem, could the orchestra spin on exercise cycles ? Then when they play they
can work out.
Good idea. The bicycles could power the lighting in the halls they play in. Then they can play for the door and make a few cents.
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