Much derided, the Glenn Gould's Appassionata is ,for me, a very funny
turn on this warhorse. Gould said of the opus 57: "There is about the Appassionata an egoistic pomposity, a defiant "let's just see if I
can't get away with using that once more" attitude". Gould's tempo in
the first movement is a deliberate attempt to show its structural
weaknesses. Where Gould finds bragging, he adds even more
bluster-turning the whole sonata into a parody of itself. Listen to the Richter/RCA then the Gould. ( I know Mario-forget the Gould)
R.Sauer
(2023 Y. upload):
"Glenn Gould's Appassionata: A Scandal?)"
(2023 Y. upload):
"Glenn Gould's Appassionata: A Scandal?)"It's unusual but not scandalous. There is more music in this interpretation than in most modern versions.
Henk
(2023 Y. upload):
"Glenn Gould's Appassionata: A Scandal?)"
It's unusual but not scandalous. There is more
music in this interpretation than in most modern
versions.
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:00:49 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
(2023 Y. upload):
"Glenn Gould's Appassionata: A Scandal?)"
It's unusual but not scandalous. There is moreRzewski's is even worse.
music in this interpretation than in most modern
versions.
dk
The music is the problem -- it's just horrible music.
(2023 Y. upload):
"Glenn Gould's Appassionata: A Scandal?)"
It's unusual but not scandalous. There is more music in this interpretation than in most modern versions.
Henk
Op maandag 23 januari 2023 om 21:06:16 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
The music is the problem -- it's just horrible music.
It's certainly one of the most difficult
Beethoven sonatas to listen to.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:51:16 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:00:49 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
(2023 Y. upload):
"Glenn Gould's Appassionata: A Scandal?)"
It's unusual but not scandalous. There is moreRzewski's is even worse.
music in this interpretation than in most modern
versions.
dkThe music is the problem -- it's just horrible music.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op maandag 23 januari 2023 om 21:06:16 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
The music is the problem -- it's just horrible music.
It's certainly one of the most difficult
Beethoven sonatas to listen to.
It is very easy to listen to in the
right hands and on a good piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFJ_SOhsbj4
Also far less difficult to listen to
than the Bludgeoned Fortepiano.
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:36:44 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op maandag 23 januari 2023 om 21:06:16 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
The music is the problem -- it's just horrible music.
It's certainly one of the most difficult
Beethoven sonatas to listen to.
It is very easy to listen to in the
right hands and on a good piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFJ_SOhsbj4
Also far less difficult to listen toSome of the reasons I sort of like
than the Bludgeoned Fortepiano.
the Appissionata:
1) Only 3 movements
2) Relentless momentum and flow
3) No tear jerking funeral march
4) No minuet in the middle
5) No marches
6) No fugues
dk
Some of the reasons I sort of like
the Appissionata:
1) Only 3 movements
2) Relentless momentum and flow
3) No tear jerking funeral march
4) No minuet in the middle
5) No marches
6) No fugues
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Op maandag 23 januari 2023 om 21:06:16 UTC+1 schreef Mandryka:
The music is the problem -- it's just horrible music.
It's certainly one of the most difficultIt is very easy to listen to in the
Beethoven sonatas to listen to.
right hands and on a good piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFJ_SOhsbj4
Also far less difficult to listen to
than the Bludgeoned Fortepiano.
There is also DH Lim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iNMybSsts4
One Lim for every taste! ;-)
There is also DH Lim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iNMybSsts4
One Lim for every taste! ;-)
A sympathetic but very 'notey' version.
It seldom happens that a performance
is too clear for my taste. I'll return to GG
- if I have ever to listen to Op. 23 again.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:34:10 PM UTC-8, KimDenmark wrote:
There can be only one: Messulam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dgnbbu-mQA
There can be only one: Messulam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dgnbbu-mQA
Op dinsdag 24 januari 2023 om 23:46:52 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:34:10 PM UTC-8, KimDenmark wrote:
There can be only one: Messulam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dgnbbu-mQA
This sounds even better than the two Lims together.
The horrible second movement of "Ludwing [sic] van
Beethoven's" sonata is not too fast and not too clear -
just perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DZ9txADpvU
Gotta be kidding. This guy is mechanical idiot.
The prequel to Win Winters.
Gotta be kidding. This guy is mechanical idiot.
The prequel to Win Winters.
How can you be so negative? In Messulams version
the passion implodes. I never heard that before.
There can be only one: Messulam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dgnbbu-mQA
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:43:51 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Gotta be kidding. This guy is mechanical idiot.
The prequel to Win Winters.
How can you be so negative? In Messulams versionWas any passion ever there?
the passion implodes. I never heard that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8OvRvufB3o
The scary thing about folks like Gould, Rzewski,
Messulam, Wim Winters, etc... is that there are
listeners who take them seriously at face value.
dkNever come across Mesulam before and I’m not going to listen to the Beethoven - but I found a Mozart 575. He makes me think of Furtwangler.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Gotta be kidding. This guy is mechanical idiot.
The prequel to Win Winters.
How can you be so negative? In Messulams versionWas any passion ever there?
the passion implodes. I never heard that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8OvRvufB3o
The scary thing about folks like Gould, Rzewski,
Messulam, Wim Winters, etc... is that there are
listeners who take them seriously at face value.
dk
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:21:55 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
Never come across Mesulam before and I’m
not going to listen to the Beethoven - but I
found a Mozart 575. He makes me think of
Furtwangler.
. . . Or Natan Brand live.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:43:51 PM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Gotta be kidding. This guy is mechanical idiot.
The prequel to Win Winters.
How can you be so negative? In Messulams versionWas any passion ever there?
the passion implodes. I never heard that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8OvRvufB3o
The scary thing about folks like Gould, Rzewski,
Messulam, Wim Winters, etc... is that there are
listeners who take them seriously at face value.
Never come across Mesulam before
and I’m not going to listen to the Beethoven - but I
found a Mozart 575. He makes me think of Furtwangler.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:27:42 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:21:55 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
Never come across Mesulam before and I’m
not going to listen to the Beethoven - but I
found a Mozart 575. He makes me think of
Furtwangler.
. . . Or Natan Brand live.Now let's be serious! Brand was a real firebrand.
Furtwangler was a fire extinguisher, Messulam
sounds like a bulldozer.
dk
How can you be so negative? In Messulams version
the passion implodes. I never heard that before.
Was any passion ever there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8OvRvufB3o
The scary thing about folks like Gould, Rzewski,
Messulam, Wim Winters, etc... is that there are
listeners who take them seriously at face value.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 7:29:48 AM UTC, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:27:42 PM UTC-8, Mandryka wrote:
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 6:21:55 AM UTC, Mandryka wrote:
Never come across Mesulam before and I’m
not going to listen to the Beethoven - but I
found a Mozart 575. He makes me think of
Furtwangler.
. . . Or Natan Brand live.
Now let's be serious! Brand was a real firebrand.
Furtwangler was a fire extinguisher, Messulam
sounds like a bulldozer.
The thing I remember about Brand is that he was
a heady drink live, and pipi de chat in the studio.
On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 3:06:46 AM UTC-8, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Winters is someone with a mission.Which can be very dangerous indeed.
Remember Torquemada?
Winters is someone with a mission.
He reminds me of a friend (RIP) who
had an idea for a perpetual motion
device. He couldn't get it moving, just
as Winters can't get his tempos moving.
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