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    From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 14:35:50 2022
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OVcU9H7AaNo

    He makes Richter sound tame.

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  • From Todd M. McComb@21:1/5 to howie.stone01@gmail.com on Wed Nov 9 20:42:50 2022
    In article <f3627da3-727f-4d69-8566-3514004deeb3n@googlegroups.com>,
    Mandryka <howie.stone01@gmail.com> wrote:
    You're right to say that it's not about speed, strength power --
    nevertheless this has caught my imagination more than the DG recording. >https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-1-10/dp/B003CM8VBI

    Did you find a download?

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 9 16:15:57 2022
    This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no opinion - since I
    don't know Scriabin's piano music at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or "specifics" could one of you recommend a few versions to
    start with? Thanks!!

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Todd M. McComb on Wed Nov 9 13:16:49 2022
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:42:55 PM UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:
    In article <f3627da3-727f-4d69...@googlegroups.com>,
    Mandryka <howie....@gmail.com> wrote:
    You're right to say that it's not about speed, strength power -- >nevertheless this has caught my imagination more than the DG recording. >https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Nos-1-10/dp/B003CM8VBI
    Did you find a download?

    Yes. Two in fact!

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Wed Nov 9 19:45:41 2022
    On 11/9/22 4:30 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 1:16:03 PM UTC-8, Notsure01 wrote:

    This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no
    opinion - since I don't know Scriabin's piano music
    at all! If I promise not to ask for "examples" or
    "specifics" could one of you recommend a few
    versions to start with? Thanks!!

    1) Buy or borrow the scores if you don't already
    have them:

    https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Piano-Sonatas-Dover-Music/dp/0486258505/ https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Preludes-Etudes-Pianoforte-Dover/dp/048622919X/
    https://www.amazon.com/Mazurkas-Poemes-Impromptus-Other-Pieces/dp/0486265552/

    2) Listen to Sofronitsky, Feinberg, Zhukov, Richter, Szidon:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kl1RYxW1kG0V-sysZOmYKLlYeH7nW-8pY
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lHgCh8k7gPBC19ieuIXuISJuwuL67CJs4
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lz-WL0opW1vHGV_s3MAPVEUdrYbN4SxfQ
    https://www.amazon.com/Scriabin-Piano-Sonatas-Etc-SHM-CD/dp/B09L3THNPV/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYwDXk0vvA

    3) Listen, take notes, compare, think, listen again, etc...

    There are no shortcuts. All the information I provided
    can be easily found in 10 minutes if one trains one's
    fingers to ask Google every day.

    dk


    Dan, as always I appreciate your feedback, but what Andy Evans provided
    is more what I had in mind - a few performances to help towards
    appreciation of Scriabin's work - or not.

    If someone new to music asked me how to start with Beethoven sonatas I
    wouldn't suggest getting the scores or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus,
    but rather would point them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a
    great pianist like....uhh... H. J. Lim

    I'm not looking for a shortcut, but I have limited time available when
    I'm not typing pointless forum posts, and there are numerous pieces of
    music I could choose.

    I've somehow missed out on Scriabin and it is about time I did listen -
    as it happens I have a Horowitz Original Jackets box with a whole
    Scriabin album - any suggestions as to specific etudes or sonatas I
    should start with??

    Thanks - and thanks Andy!

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Dan Koren on Thu Nov 10 22:45:11 2022
    On 11/10/22 8:17 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
    On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 5:05:09 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>
    If someone new to music asked me how to start with Beethoven
    sonatas I wouldn't suggest getting the scores
    Why not? Anything wrong with reading the sources ?!?
    or acquiring the Lim set. I wouldn't suggest listening to No. 29 or
    No. 20 or No. 1 performed by Backhaus, but rather would point
    them to a version of 14, or 8, or 23 done by a great pianist like....
    uhh... H. J. Lim

    Why Backhaus? Why not Schnabel? Or Gulda? Or Brendull? Or
    Yves Nat? Or Maria Grinberg? Inquiring minds would like to
    find out.

    Why not Kehrer?

    That part of the conversation was about Boring Van Beethoven's
    Piano Sonata sets -- not about Scriabin's piano music. And while
    I am a great Kehrer fan, I don't think Scriabin was his forte.

    dk

    Sorry for the confusion. I had thought there was a post by Dan - maybe
    some time ago - where he criticized Backhaus as uninspired. I remembered hearing a Beethoven recording by Backhaus many years ago which was
    fluent but lacking in personality. That why I chose him as example - of
    what not to do.

    When I feel like exploring a composer or performer new to me, I'd rather
    begin with a characteristic work and a good performer. So I mentioned
    Beethoven Nos. 29, 20, and 1 as sonatas I wouldn't suggest to start
    with, but instead mentioned the popular ones. Once my hypothetical
    newbie enjoyed those, they could move on to the Hammerklavier, and late quartets, Missa Solemnis, etc.

    The quandary with Scriabin is that - to me at least - he hasn't seemed
    to be part of the mainstream piano repertoire. I've been a collector for
    a long time, but mostly concentrated on orchestral works, chamber music,
    and opera. For piano, I'm still exploring Rachmaninoff, Faure, Liszt, etc.

    I asked for help with suggestions since it looks like Scriabin will be
    waiting for a while longer before there is a set of his accepted
    "Greatest Hits"!

    Thanks for the help so far - it is really appreciated.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Thu Nov 10 23:34:54 2022
    On 11/10/2022 11:11 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:05:24 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

    BTW if one is looking for a Scriabin ser recorded by a
    Russian/German pianist, Elena Richter's would be a
    better candidate:

    dk

    Most people do not check the ethnic / race credentials of musicians first. we're not in the Third Reich anymore.

    A perfect example of you are labeled politically correct or excessively woke." A reference to race, nationality or ethnicity is not necessarily racist or even inappropriate.

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  • From Frank Berger@21:1/5 to Herman on Fri Nov 11 09:05:43 2022
    On 11/11/2022 3:22 AM, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 5:35:03 AM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:
    On 11/10/2022 11:11 PM, Herman wrote:
    On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 3:05:24 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>
    BTW if one is looking for a Scriabin ser recorded by a
    Russian/German pianist, Elena Richter's would be a
    better candidate:

    dk

    Most people do not check the ethnic / race credentials of musicians first. >>> we're not in the Third Reich anymore.
    A perfect example of you are labeled politically correct or excessively woke." A reference to race, nationality or ethnicity is not necessarily racist or even inappropriate.

    Oh yeah, I'm so excessively woke, haha.
    I suggested most people are here for the music, not for checking musicians' ethnic labels.
    And yeah, this constant attention to people's ethnicity (and excluding them, for instance, for not being X enough) gives me a very uncomfortable feeling, not because of being woke, but because of having grown up in a post WW2 world.

    But this is merely your perception, not the reality. That's the problem.

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  • From Notsure01@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Nov 11 19:33:32 2022
    On 11/9/22 4:28 PM, Andy Evans wrote:
    On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 21:16:03 UTC, Notsure01 wrote:
    This is an intriguing thread - but for once I have no opinion - since I
    don't know Scriabin's piano music at all! If I promise not to ask for
    "examples" or "specifics" could one of you recommend a few versions to
    start with? Thanks!!

    Start with the 24 Preludes opus 11, and Sonatas 2, 4 and 5. Sofronitsky or Horowitz.

    There are a few CDs of Horowitz in various works - all good. Sofronitsky recorded almost everything.

    Thanks for the suggestions.. I've now listened to Op. 11 Preludes with Horowitz, as well as Op. 74 with Gilels and found them interesting and enjoyable.

    Then I heard Sonata 5 with Horowitz - and for once I'm (almost) at a
    loss for words! Wow - it is absolutely phenomenal!

    Consider me now a (beginner) Scriabin fanatic and I can now begin
    exploring other works. I really do appreciate all of your help - I'd
    like to thank you - and my ears do also!

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