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On 2023-11-06 06:21:07 +0000, geoff said:

On 6/11/2023 5:38 pm, Bruce wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY

Not so sure about 'mock'.

Fourth Time Around - the Bob Dylan Commentaries
"In an interview with Rolling Stone in 1969, Dylan said that Fourth
Time was a response to Norwegian Wood and his influence on Lennon's
writing. Lennon once said that he saw Fourth Time as a good-natured “homage” to his song."

geoff

I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
was the song most closely associated with Dylan.

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On 2024-01-24, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

I've always heard the consensus was "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away"
was the song most closely associated with Dylan.

Well, dang... don't go ruining it for me - especially being my favorite. :-)

Kidding... I've just long considered Dylan over-rated.

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Oldernow
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On 2024-01-26, Pamela Brown <pamelajfk1@gmail.com> wrote:

Dylan is over-rated. But I think there was a competitiveness between them...

To me, Dylan mostly helped the species identify a large block of
its tone-deaf members.

Said another way, no matter what a buzzsaw is trying to tell me,
I'm never going to hear it throught the noise and, by extension,
my hands covering my ears to avoid that noise.... :-)

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After Goldman's book came out, there was debate in the L.A. Times about Goldman's claim that Lennon was bisexual. One person said that Lennon's admission in "Yer Blues" that he "Felt so suicidal/Just like Dylan's Mr. Jones" hinted that Lennon was
struggling with his bisexuality at that time.

BTW, where did Lennon get the idea that Dylan's "Mr. Jones" was suicidal? I don't see indication of that in the "Ballad of a Thin Man" lyric.

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I think there may have been more going on between Dylan and Lennon than meets the eye.
Some of Bob's songs (usually the 'key' songs) have a target. John may have considered himself a target of "Ballad of a Thin Man"...

https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/ballad-thin-man/

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Hmm. Lennon was prone to paranoia (post-LSD phase), and I remember an interview in which he admitted to paranoia specifically pertaining to Dylan.

Lennon even succumbed to the delusion that McCartney's Ram was rife with attacks on him, when in fact McCartney's only gibe was in "Too Many People."

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https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/bob-dylan-song-made-john-lennon-very-paranoid/

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On 2024-02-26, Norbert <nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dylan strikes me as an emperor with no clothes.

To me Dylan seems yet another idol of the tone deaf.

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Yes, that's the quote I was thinking of!

I don't know why, but Lennon was fixated on Dylan, what with his couple of Dylanesque songs, his admission of having been made "very paranoid" by Dylan, his "I don't believe in Zimmerman" line in "God," his cartoons of Dylan (described in Goldman's book),
and "Serve Yerself."

Lennon was the better vocalist, guitarist and songwriter of the two by far. I don't know what about Dylan so fascinated John.

Dylan strikes me as an emperor with no clothes.

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oldernow wrote:

On 2024-02-26, Norbert <nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dylan strikes me as an emperor with no clothes.

To me Dylan seems yet another idol of the tone deaf.

I liked that! :-)

Dylan was definitely an acquired taste...

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On 2024-02-26, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

To me Dylan seems yet another idol of the tone deaf.

I liked that! :-)

Dylan was definitely an acquired taste...

My gag reflex never gave my taste buds sufficient time to experience
the state of acquisition. :-)

That said, I can occasionally swish "Lay Lady Lay". Sorta. :-)

Oh my... went to the Wikipedia entry for that song where I found:

"'Lay Lady Lay', sometimes rendered 'Lay, Lady, Lay',
is a song written by Bob Dylan and originally released
in 1969 on his Nashville Skyline album. Like many of the
tracks on the album, Dylan sings the song in a low croon,
rather than in the high nasal singing style associated
with his earlier (and eventually later) recordings."

Of course, the aforementioned gag scenario kept this 62-year-old
from ever investigating him at all, so I'm unfamiliar with any of
the other "low croon" vocalized tracks. Maybe my wife will give me
enough chores reprive one of these days to look/listen into such....

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I admit it, I kind of like "Lay Lady Lay." It's not typical Dylan; it's much better.

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https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2021/05/17/what-if-someone-such-as-bob-dylan-is-an-experiment-an-hypothesis-for-an-alternate-reality/

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I think Dylan was trying to goad Lennon. I think Dylan had his own reasons for doing this that have not yet been made clear. And Lennon took the bait. John even stopped listening to Dylan except when George made him do so...

I think everything about Dylan is false...no clothes, indeed...

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Take your pick...I think Dylan writes some, steals some, buys some and people give him some of 'his' songs...

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On 2024-02-27, pamina58 <pamelam1@mindspring.com> wrote:

Take your pick...I think Dylan writes some, steals some,
buys some and people give him some of 'his' songs...

Dylan is proof this species doesn't deserve nice things.

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"Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I." -- Joni Mitchell.

I don't doubt this, but I probably don't know enough old-school folk stuff to confirm it. There have been rumors for decades that Dylan lifted progressions and melodies from Woody Gurthrie.

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Dylan is shameless, and he gets away with it.

In addition, an insider on r.m.d said that Bob's brother David, whom he met at an event in the Twin Cities, said Bob lost his voice a long time ago, so what we are hearing now is something else. On his current tour he does not improvise any new lyrics as
he used to, so it makes you wonder.

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He's just older, and he was never a good singer. Dylan got lucky in that hippies embraced him as a symbol of their zeitgeist. Musically, Dylan has very little going for him.

The 60s spawned many much more talented folk songwriters: Donovan, Cat Stevens, Gordon Lightfoot.

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On 2024-03-01, Norbert <nyarlathotep1@hotmail.com> wrote:

He's just older, and he was never a good singer. Dylan got
lucky in that hippies embraced him as a symbol of their
zeitgeist. Musically, Dylan has very little going for him.

The 60s spawned many much more talented folk songwriters:
Donovan, Cat Stevens, Gordon Lightfoot.

Dylan is a priceless example of mob murmuring - especially insomuch
as said murmuring rises to the level of the "news" media murmuring
along - seemingly "making it so", i.e. making his being some
legendary, incomparable songwriter seem real.

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Odd Dylan connection to the Baltimore Bridge collapse?
It is the "Key" bridge...
Bob played in Baltimore last November 24th...

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On 27/03/2024 11:41 pm, pamina58 wrote:

Odd Dylan connection to the Baltimore Bridge collapse? It is the "Key" bridge...
Bob played in Baltimore last November 24th...

Shit, where else has he played in the last 12 months ?

Better wear our hard-hats (preferably tinfoil-lined).

geoff

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Another odd coincidence...
the name of the boat is the Dali...
Here is a Salvadore Dali painting about a bridge... https://archive.thedali.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=1648;type=101

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Yeah, Dali met Lennon, didn't he?

In the 1950s, Ann Woodward (the one who went on to murder her unfaithful husband Billy) commissioned a painting of herself from Dali. Dali pretended to labor over the work for many months, when in fact he cranked it out effortlessly. Ann Woodward hated
the effort, which made her look unattractive, and tried to avoid paying for it; Dali took her to court and won.

The painting is nonetheless amazing, full of fascinating symbolism -- and uncanny in its perceptiveness of Ann's shaky relationship with the Woodwards.

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Imagine how Dali might have portrayed Yoko? That would have been amazing.

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John and Yoko met Salvador Dali and his wife Gaya for lunch on March 24, 1969 in Paris...
https://twitter.com/johnlennon/status/1772051944493736058

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Thanks for the link!

Even though Dali was decades older than Lennon, he still had lots of amazing work ahead of him. John's best work was in his past at this point.

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With all due respect, why take a jab at John here?

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If someone was trying to threaten you, would you be 'paranoid' in being wary of them?

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