• Re: Bob Eubanks On Brian Epstein's Management Of The Beatles (2/2)

    From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Fri Apr 7 12:56:16 2023
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    - This has an ancillary Vesta square Vertex aspect that suggests the fire goddess on burning coals being engulfed by the true flame (VI.19), and could also explain the X.6 line where Vesta is simply linked to the extinguishing sepulchral fire, providing
    the critical time of

    << 8 April 2023 3:50 pm CEST / 9:50 am EDT / 6:50 am PDT >>;

    3:56 pm - Moon in Scorpio opposes the outer planet whose name in Greek means 'Heavens,' at 17 minutes 11 degrees Taurus, which could have been the subject of VI.70 line 3, where 'noise and light surpass The Heavens';

    4:08 pm - Saturn reaches the Descendant, which could be the Saturnin reference of V.24 and VI.17.

    The connection between Saturn and Mars is acknowledged as weak for an activating trine even when augmented by the lunar positioning; however the Mars influence for Saturn may endow it with esoteric violent power for its role as the local marker for the
    Fall of Venus-Babylon. The synchronization of the Venus-Ceres trine with the Mars-Mercury sextile could easily be overlooked, like the Vestal correspondence with the Grand Trine participants, yet these subtly-timed aspects could prove significant.

    The third line of IX.48, where the frightful wind poses a problem at a Winter Solstice, seems fulfilled in 2022.

    https://www.weather.gov/lot/2022dec2223

    December 22-23, 2022: Powerful Arctic Front Brings Snow, Strong Winds, and Bitterly Cold Temperatures to the Region

    << A powerful Arctic cold front surged into the Midwest on Thursday, December 22nd, bringing snow, strong winds, and bitterly cold temperatures in its wake. While snowfall accumulations generally only ranged between 1 and 5 inches, a rapidly deepening
    area of low pressure associated with the front caused strong winds that gusted in excess of 50 mph at times and produced substantial blowing and drifting snow that led to blizzard conditions at times. Additionally, the frigid temperatures with wind
    chills as low as -40F mitigated the effectiveness of road treatments and allowed for many roadways to remain snow and ice-covered into Friday, December 23rd even though most of the snow had ended Thursday evening.

    The reduced visibilities and slippery roadways contributed to numerous automobile accidents on both days, which caused portions of I-65 and I-94 in northwest Indiana to be shut down for several hours. The cold and snowy conditions also disrupted train
    and air transportation before the holiday weekend, with several trains and flights being delayed or cancelled. >>

    Dans le solstice hyemal et la prime
    Sera tentee de vent espouvantal

    [IX.48]

    From the Winter Solstice, and during the Spring
    There will be a trying by frightful wind

    So the Arctic Front striking the Midwest at the Winter Solstice 2022 could have been surmised using IX.48 to foretell intense tornado activity for Spring 2023, which manifested from the 24 March 2023 date (found to be consistent with the Bologna hint
    from IX.13), commencing a succession of devastating ordeals with powerful, relatively long-sustained cyclones, striking the southeast rather than the region dubbed Tornado Alley. And now that the second portion appears fulfilled, the logical deduction is
    that the first half would become demonstrably real around either the Summer Solstice, or the Autumnal Equinox, later in 2023 - the prediction is of a great city on a Maritime Ocean, surrounded by a perhaps frozen swamp appearing crystalline.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Sat Apr 8 09:42:53 2023
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    8:19 am - Venus in Taurus trine Ceres in Virgo (26 minutes 34 degrees), simultaneous with Mars in Cancer sextile Mercury in Taurus (6 degrees 52 minutes) - this could be the 'New Mars' (aspect) for I.94, for vengeance and remorse, as the Venus-Ceres
    trine energy is consummated for the later Grand Trine with the Vertex - Venus and Ceres appear in a Midheaven Grand Trine, while the Vertex opposes Jupiter;

    3:50 pm - Venusian Grand Trine with Ceres and the Vertex, complicated by Vesta -

    Ceres 26 minutes 30 degrees Virgo;
    Vertex 26 minutes 48 degrees Capricorn;
    Venus 26 minutes 56 degrees Taurus; &
    Vesta 26 minutes 45 degrees Aries

    - This has an ancillary Vesta square Vertex aspect that suggests the fire goddess on burning coals being engulfed by the true flame (VI.19), and could also explain the X.6 line where Vesta is simply linked to the extinguishing sepulchral fire,
    providing the critical time of

    << 8 April 2023 3:50 pm CEST / 9:50 am EDT / 6:50 am PDT >>;

    3:56 pm - Moon in Scorpio opposes the outer planet whose name in Greek means 'Heavens,' at 17 minutes 11 degrees Taurus, which could have been the subject of VI.70 line 3, where 'noise and light surpass The Heavens';

    4:08 pm - Saturn reaches the Descendant, which could be the Saturnin reference of V.24 and VI.17.

    The connection between Saturn and Mars is acknowledged as weak for an activating trine even when augmented by the lunar positioning; however the Mars influence for Saturn may endow it with esoteric violent power for its role as the local marker for the
    Fall of Venus-Babylon. The synchronization of the Venus-Ceres trine with the Mars-Mercury sextile could easily be overlooked, like the Vestal correspondence with the Grand Trine participants, yet these subtly-timed aspects could prove significant.

    The third line of IX.48, where the frightful wind poses a problem at a Winter Solstice, seems fulfilled in 2022.

    https://www.weather.gov/lot/2022dec2223

    December 22-23, 2022: Powerful Arctic Front Brings Snow, Strong Winds, and Bitterly Cold Temperatures to the Region

    << A powerful Arctic cold front surged into the Midwest on Thursday, December 22nd, bringing snow, strong winds, and bitterly cold temperatures in its wake. While snowfall accumulations generally only ranged between 1 and 5 inches, a rapidly deepening
    area of low pressure associated with the front caused strong winds that gusted in excess of 50 mph at times and produced substantial blowing and drifting snow that led to blizzard conditions at times. Additionally, the frigid temperatures with wind
    chills as low as -40F mitigated the effectiveness of road treatments and allowed for many roadways to remain snow and ice-covered into Friday, December 23rd even though most of the snow had ended Thursday evening.

    The reduced visibilities and slippery roadways contributed to numerous automobile accidents on both days, which caused portions of I-65 and I-94 in northwest Indiana to be shut down for several hours. The cold and snowy conditions also disrupted train
    and air transportation before the holiday weekend, with several trains and flights being delayed or cancelled. >>

    Dans le solstice hyemal et la prime
    Sera tentee de vent espouvantal

    [IX.48]

    From the Winter Solstice, and during the Spring
    There will be a trying by frightful wind

    So the Arctic Front striking the Midwest at the Winter Solstice 2022 could have been surmised using IX.48 to foretell intense tornado activity for Spring 2023, which manifested from the 24 March 2023 date (found to be consistent with the Bologna hint
    from IX.13), commencing a succession of devastating ordeals with powerful, relatively long-sustained cyclones, striking the southeast rather than the region dubbed Tornado Alley. And now that the second portion appears fulfilled, the logical deduction is
    that the first half would become demonstrably real around either the Summer Solstice, or the Autumnal Equinox, later in 2023 - the prediction is of a great city on a Maritime Ocean, surrounded by a perhaps frozen swamp appearing crystalline.

    The Beatles had already undergone an image change through the influence of bassist Stuart Sutcliffe, with longer hair and edgy fashion, before Brian Epstein introduced himself, but as Pete Best would recall, the Epstein approach seemed to be marketing
    the group as angels. In Britain their merchandising was extensive, with Epstein insisting any item having their likenesses should be of the highest quality; the levitating images chosen for the "Love" show originated with a rooftop advertisement for a
    brand of tea. When George Martin decided Pete Best would be replaced as drummer for recordings, Epstein was there to deliver the bad news; local fans suspecting George Harrison had strongly supported Ringo Starr for their new drummer resulted in
    Harrison receiving a blackened eye, visible in promotion for their first single.

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    Moon Under Balance Of Venusian Chalice On Easter Sunday
    {9 April 2023 3:47 pm CEST / 9:47 am EDT / 6:47 am PDT}

    The 'Under The Balance' stipulation from V.42 apparently does not concern the constellation of Libra, but the image of the Scales, which has two circular plates suspended by chains on either side, connected to a pivoting bar on a vertical support: taking
    one side of that Scale device provides a triangular shape like the Grand Trine, so that being underneath suggests the Moon directly opposing the Apex point while the chart would show it below the horizontal base line. That definition is independent of
    Libra itself, indicating instead a lunar orientation to the fateful Grand Trine.

    The 9 September 2022 Venusian lunar opposition (VIII.96, X.95) hinted that Venus would be in the Apex point for its later Grand Trine; the Venus-Ceres-Vertex Chalice being preceded by the Juno lunar opposition on 8 April 2023 matched X.17, however with
    the Moon obviously out-of-kilter with the Grand Trine. Also for 8 April 2023, the Mars-Mercury sextile during the Venus-Ceres trine could be the new Mars of I.94.

    The perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus from III.3 seems more immediate than the 4 April 2023 Neptune lunar opposition with Ceres, and something more complicated was discovered.

    For 9 April 2023, using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    5:17 am - Fortune conjunct Pallas (II.66), with the Moon directly overhead for the local celestial Vault;

    7:50 am - Neptune in Pisces trine the Scorpio Moon (26 degrees 1 minute) sets up a rectangular form, since Neptune is opposing Ceres, and Venus is near lunar opposition - there are sextile aspects between Venus-Neptune and Ceres-Moon - this sustained
    Rectangle could be the perplexity for Corinth and Ephesus (meaning Neptune and the Moon, respectively) in III.3;

    11:09 am - Venus in Taurus opposes the Scorpio Moon (27 degrees 52 minutes);

    3:47 pm - Venusian Grand Trine with Ceres and the Vertex (Venus is High-Born figure for II.92, Chalice of VI.89), coinciding with the Vertex also square Vesta (VI.19, X.6) - this finds the Moon directly beneath the Venusian Apex point as the Grand Trine
    is nearly upright, as the critical time -

    << 9 April 2023 3:47 pm CEST / 9:47 am EDT / 6:47 am PDT >>;

    4:04 pm - Saturn reaches the Descendant, suggesting a locally-defined Saturnin influence (V.24, VI.17).

    In V.66 the cataclysm is set between the 6 April 2023 Full Moon described in VI.70, complicated by the Chiron solar conjunct, and the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse on the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian: there is only one Venusian lunar opposition
    during that interval, on Easter Sunday 9 April 2023.

    The Lombardy references (V.42, VI.16) could be in tandem with the Lady of I.94, honored through force of terror: Blessed Libania was of noble birth, a descendant of Lombard dukes; she fled an arranged marriage at fifteen, becoming a Benedictine nun; her
    father built a monastery at Busano, in which she served as abbess. Her legend is that an angel summoned her from her cell, leading her into the church for her death on 8 April 1064.

    As for the trembling of Gaul in X.58, Saint Liborius was also born to a noble family, serving as Bishop of Le Mans from 348, consistent with Gaul as ancient France - he died in 396, commemorated on an April Ninth feast.

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 10 15:25:16 2023
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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to geoff on Sun Apr 9 20:50:03 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    8:19 am - Venus in Taurus trine Ceres in Virgo (26 minutes 34 degrees), simultaneous with Mars in Cancer sextile Mercury in Taurus (6 degrees 52 minutes) - this could be the 'New Mars' (aspect) for I.94, for vengeance and remorse, as the Venus-Ceres
    trine energy is consummated for the later Grand Trine with the Vertex - Venus and Ceres appear in a Midheaven Grand Trine, while the Vertex opposes Jupiter;

    3:50 pm - Venusian Grand Trine with Ceres and the Vertex, complicated by Vesta -

    Ceres 26 minutes 30 degrees Virgo;
    Vertex 26 minutes 48 degrees Capricorn;
    Venus 26 minutes 56 degrees Taurus; &
    Vesta 26 minutes 45 degrees Aries

    - This has an ancillary Vesta square Vertex aspect that suggests the fire goddess on burning coals being engulfed by the true flame (VI.19), and could also explain the X.6 line where Vesta is simply linked to the extinguishing sepulchral fire,
    providing the critical time of

    << 8 April 2023 3:50 pm CEST / 9:50 am EDT / 6:50 am PDT >>;

    3:56 pm - Moon in Scorpio opposes the outer planet whose name in Greek means 'Heavens,' at 17 minutes 11 degrees Taurus, which could have been the subject of VI.70 line 3, where 'noise and light surpass The Heavens';

    4:08 pm - Saturn reaches the Descendant, which could be the Saturnin reference of V.24 and VI.17.

    The connection between Saturn and Mars is acknowledged as weak for an activating trine even when augmented by the lunar positioning; however the Mars influence for Saturn may endow it with esoteric violent power for its role as the local marker for
    the Fall of Venus-Babylon. The synchronization of the Venus-Ceres trine with the Mars-Mercury sextile could easily be overlooked, like the Vestal correspondence with the Grand Trine participants, yet these subtly-timed aspects could prove significant.

    The third line of IX.48, where the frightful wind poses a problem at a Winter Solstice, seems fulfilled in 2022.

    https://www.weather.gov/lot/2022dec2223

    December 22-23, 2022: Powerful Arctic Front Brings Snow, Strong Winds, and Bitterly Cold Temperatures to the Region

    << A powerful Arctic cold front surged into the Midwest on Thursday, December 22nd, bringing snow, strong winds, and bitterly cold temperatures in its wake. While snowfall accumulations generally only ranged between 1 and 5 inches, a rapidly
    deepening area of low pressure associated with the front caused strong winds that gusted in excess of 50 mph at times and produced substantial blowing and drifting snow that led to blizzard conditions at times. Additionally, the frigid temperatures with
    wind chills as low as -40F mitigated the effectiveness of road treatments and allowed for many roadways to remain snow and ice-covered into Friday, December 23rd even though most of the snow had ended Thursday evening.

    The reduced visibilities and slippery roadways contributed to numerous automobile accidents on both days, which caused portions of I-65 and I-94 in northwest Indiana to be shut down for several hours. The cold and snowy conditions also disrupted
    train and air transportation before the holiday weekend, with several trains and flights being delayed or cancelled. >>

    Dans le solstice hyemal et la prime
    Sera tentee de vent espouvantal

    [IX.48]

    From the Winter Solstice, and during the Spring
    There will be a trying by frightful wind

    So the Arctic Front striking the Midwest at the Winter Solstice 2022 could have been surmised using IX.48 to foretell intense tornado activity for Spring 2023, which manifested from the 24 March 2023 date (found to be consistent with the Bologna hint
    from IX.13), commencing a succession of devastating ordeals with powerful, relatively long-sustained cyclones, striking the southeast rather than the region dubbed Tornado Alley. And now that the second portion appears fulfilled, the logical deduction is
    that the first half would become demonstrably real around either the Summer Solstice, or the Autumnal Equinox, later in 2023 - the prediction is of a great city on a Maritime Ocean, surrounded by a perhaps frozen swamp appearing crystalline.
    Sorry, but that is insane rubbish.

    geoff

    What, that Epstein cared about British merchandising but not the larger American market?

    I quoted a weather report at Winter Solstice 2022 about an Arctic Front, and a parallel prophecy predicting if frightful wind is experienced then to watch for the subsequent Spring in 2023 - and we are now having news reports of Tornado Alley having
    shifted further east in the South due to climate change, with extremely powerful and long-sustained tornadoes devastating those areas in a very dramatic fashion.

    Prophecy and science fiction always seem like nonsense, until they become reality.

    I am aware of the time-sensitive and life-death nature of using these prophecies at the right time and in the right way, which is evident from prior incidents: so with this one I am performing the brainstorming process in real-time with total
    transparency, so it does not become a post-mortem acknowledgement alone. The justification for sustaining this vigil is that periodically confluences with extraneous events in reality have been occurring, most recently with the 17 March Pediment for
    Geneva where the Saturn-Venus sextile was matched on the other side by the Vertex, described in I.54 and verified in VI.89 by the 'wasps and flies' remark recalling the 18 March feast of Saint Narcissus, whose disturbed tomb exuded stinging flies that
    chased off invaders.

    For someone to acknowledge prophecy as anything but rubbish they have to become aware of how improbable the confluences are, in a purely mathematical sense: the fulfillments have too much bizarre precision to be considered random. And of course one is
    never grateful for being given rubbish, so you are pre-emptively being derisive of even anticipating yet another inevitable manifestation of what the words strangely portend.

    Saturnin False Cup Bearing Fire & Lorraine Chalice For Flood, Doubly Mixed For Babylon
    {11 April 2023 3:43 pm CEST / 9:43 am EDT & 14 April 2023 6:28 am CEST / 12:28 am EDT}

    Extensive fulfillments to the French prophecies have been noted recently, in the context of an impending double cataclysm of fire and flood, whose triggering aspects were offered in cryptic format. Portions of certain quatrains, such as II.92, have
    foretold current events, with that example in reverse order, starting from the US House Speakership vote debacle during the first week of 2023, and progressing towards the 'great human murder' of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria
    border. A complex further sign was noted from 17 March 2023, as precursor to an explosive event with immense fatalities, which precedes a massive flood.

    Further research informed some reassessments towards startling new conclusions. The II.66 derived notion of the Fortune-Pallas conjunct for Geneva being synchronized with the Moon at its Celestial Vault Apex was optimized 12 April 2023 6:28 am CEST, with
    the Moon only seven minutes of a degree from being perfectly situated between Ascendant and Descendant; the Fortune-Pallas conjunct 13 April 2023 6:52 am CEST is followed by Dawn seven minutes later, causing the Part of Fortune to leap from the bottom of
    the chart (with Pallas) to the lunar position at the top - this appears the dramatic fulfillment of the stipulation implied by II.66, which could be an auspicious omen ironically timed during the disastrous event, termed an assault or siege upon the city.

    ...In a short time Fortune greatly changed:
    From the Pallas the people become trapped,
    By a Good Omen the city is besieged

    The 6 April 2023 Full Moon with Chiron at solar conjunct fulfilled parts of V.66 and VI.70.

    Since Ceres is in retrograde mode, the 8 April 2023 8:19 am CEST trine with Venus (with Mars sextile Mercury as the New Mars of I.94) rapidly degenerates.

    The perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus from III.3 manifested during the Neptune lunar trine 9 April 2023 7:50 am CEST, through a rectangular formation also including Venus and Ceres, via corresponding trine and sextile aspects.

    The conjunction of Juno and Ouranos 10 April 2023 4:33 pm CEST at 17 degrees 17 minutes Taurus provided the 'Heavens' element from line 3 of VI.70 to be surpassed for the immense noise and light event.

    As the daily reconstitution of the technically-defunct Venusian Grand Trine with Ceres and the Vertex ostensibly recurs, with the 11 April 2023 instance a Vestal Lunar Grand Trine with the Ascendant slightly precedes (for Geneva using CEST):

    3:25 pm - Lunar Grand Trine of Vesta with the Ascendant, between 27 and 28 degrees in the Fire signs (engulfing of VI.19) -

    Ascendant - 27 degrees 46 minutes Leo;
    Vesta - 28 degrees 7 minutes Aries;
    Moon - 27 degrees 36 minutes Sagittarius

    The true flame will engulf the Lady
    Who would put Innocents to the fire

    - The Lady there would be Vesta;

    3:43 pm - Falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89, having the vestigial image of a Grand Trine yet lacking a close Venus-Ceres connection, with Pluto near the Vertex providing a substitute connection for Venus -

    Venus - Zero degrees 26 minutes Gemini;
    Pluto - Zero degrees 15 minutes Aquarius /
    Vertex - 28 degrees 16 minutes Capricorn;
    Ceres - 25 degrees 59 minutes Virgo -

    This would be the critical projected onset time -

    << 11 April 2023 3:43 pm CEST / 9:43 am EDT / 6:43 am PDT >>;

    3:58 pm - Saturn reaches the Descendant.

    The Moon will again be beneath the Ceres-Vertex trine-line, along with the South Node in rough trine with Saturn: thus the Moon and South Node are those 'Under The Balance' in V.42 - and for the subsequent recurrences of the Venus-Ceres-Vertex triangular
    form, the Moon progresses towards the edge on 12 April, so that it no longer appears beneath the Scale form for the 13 April 2023 iteration and beyond.

    The Bishop of Pergamum mentioned in Revelation 2:13, Antipas, is a saint with the 11 April feast, martyred by burning circa 90: Symrna with the Myrrh association is the preceding letter passage; Smyrna and Pergamum are about a hundred kilometers apart,
    in the Izmir province of Turkey - so this date could provide what V.16 hints regarding human flesh subjected to incineration like Frankincense.

    The hagiology for 12 April encompasses the majority of the ominous inferences.

    Saint Damian is honored April Twelfth, Bishop of Pavia, Lombardy (V.42 and VI.16), from 680, dying in 710, although on 4 April; in VIII.8 the intrigue near the Inferno is revealed through Chivasso, whose patron is Blessed Angelo Carletti, also
    commemorated on 12 April.

    Catechumen Saint Victor of Braga was martyred in Portugal circa 300 under Diocletian persecution, satisfying the Victor remark closing VI.70.

    Saint Constantine of Gap (d. 529) was its first Bishop, for the Gaul reference in X.58.

    Consolidating the greatest at the table reading the Bible in V.83 with Great Basil reclaimed in VI.78 to derive the Three Holy Hierarchs honored on 30 January now seems possibly in error, since the 12 April feast has separate connections for both: Saint
    Sabas the Lector (334-372) was tortured and martyred with others for refusing to participate in pagan sacrifices, in the Romanian region; and Saint Basil of Parium opposed iconoclasts.

    Saint Vissia was a virgin, martyred near Ancona in 250, for the virgin of VIII.80.

    A second Venusian Grand Trine, following the Revelation command of the Supreme Being to mix the Cup doubly, was found days later, involving also the Moon and the Vertex, 14 April 2023 6:28 am CEST -

    Venus - 3 degrees 28 minutes Gemini;
    Moon - 4 degrees 36 minutes Aquarius;
    Vertex - 4 degrees 1 minutes Libra!

    This appears to be the Chalice of VI.89, with more precise astral mechanics, a non-falsifying version of a secondary Venusian-Vertex Vessel (the Vertex officiating the Sacrifice as the 'vitrix' of V.18), distinguished from the Saturnin event three days
    prior, for the Great Flood (I.62, X.6) occurring from the second of the two Cups mixed for Venus as Mystery Babylon (the High-Born Harlot for II.92). The Urn with three plus Saturn in the first half of X.50 concerned the Sagittarius constellation near
    the Winter Solstice circa 18 December 2017; the Great Urn associated with the flood in the latter portion could reflect a similar concept, or refer to the densely-populated Bucket planetary configuration from Aries to Cancer - however the Grand Trine
    itself as that particular Urn is more plausible, with a jarring shift in context.

    Identifying the widow of VIII.80, and clarifying the Lorraine reference in X.50, can be accomplished in tandem through Saint Ida of Lorraine (born 1040), daughter of Duke Godfrey IV of Lorraine, a descendant of Charlemagne; Ida married Count Eustace III
    of Boulogne at 17, was a mother, then a widow, and Benedictine oblate. Her death on 13 April 1113 is commemorated with her feast on that date as the patroness of widows.

    From Innocents the blood for widow and virgin

    The House of Lorraine appears in X.18, taking place at a Vendome event - the high put low, and the low ones set high. The two names have been rendered in anagram in IX.50 -

    MENDOSVS tot viendra a son haut regne
    Mettant arriere un peu les Norlaris

    MENDOSUS will quickly ascend to its exalted reign,
    Putting behind a bit the Lorrainers

    In Latin Mendosus means Erroneous; MENDOSVS is used as an anagram for VENDOMSS (Vendome's). This relates to the Lady honored in I.94, who unexpectedly is not a saint but nobility: Marie Anne de Bourbon (b. 1678) was Duchess of Vendome, who died at age
    forty on 11 April 1718.

    The invented word 'Norlaris' works as an anagram for 'Lorrains.'

    So the Vendome event is the initial fiery cataclysm arriving with the 11 April 2023 3:43 pm CEST Venusian Grand Trine with Ceres and the Vertex; and it appears to cause the secondary flood disaster that is synchronized with the 14 April 2023 6:28 am CEST
    Venusian Grand Trine with the Moon and the Vertex, as the Lorraine incident.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Wed Apr 19 11:46:44 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    The circuit of the greatly ruinous deed
    The Seventh Name will emerge from the Fifth

    [II.88]

    The circular design of the Geneva LHC is the apparent subject, with X.27 implying the catastrophe would cause a metaphysical rupture opening Heaven's Temple, thus manifesting the Sin-Review of the Garabandal Warning or Preparation event.

    While the Apocalyptic Seventh Bowl was poured circa late 2009 (X.74, recalling the later luge death at the 2010 Winter Olympics), the consequential cataclysm only occurs years later, so that incident only acquires its name after transpiring with the
    Lorraine date for Charles the Fifth.

    Peste a l'Eglise par le nouveau Roi joint
    L'Europe basse et Septentrionale

    Plague of the Church through the newly-joined King
    The European case low and Northerly

    [I.52]

    The 25 October 2022 solar eclipse was visible in northern Europe, however it did not coincide with the apocalyptic assault as the other line implies: the subsequent solar eclipse is on 20 April 2023, with V.66 suggesting that is the eclipse synchronized
    with the disastrous occurrence. The King is a solar eclipse, with the description 'newly-joined' being time-sensitive - thus the eclipse is not the typical astronomical omen, but should functionally overlap with the cataclysm though the associated
    judicial astrology as prophetically rendered.

    The 18 April date surfaced with hagiological resets: an alternate Lombardy with Saint Galdinus (1100-1176), Cardinal of Milan from 1165; Saint Agia of Hainault (died circa 711), a widow (VIII.80); Saint Gebuinus (d. 1080), Archbishop of Lyons. The
    trembling of Gaul in X.58 could be attributed to either Saint Pantagathus of Vienne (for 17 April), or Saint Vincent of Collioure, Gaul, a Diocletian martyr circa 304 (for 19 April).

    The 22 April date coincides with two potentially relevant feasts: Saint Apelles, the martyred first bishop of Smyrna, for the human-Frankincense theme of V.16; and Saint Tarbula, a consecrated virgin (VIII.80) who was accused of sorcery when the wife of
    anti-Christian Persian King Shapur fell ill - Tarbula was subjected to the non-magical trick of being fatally sawed in half.

    The Macedonian to exceed the Pyrenees-mountain contiguous,
    At Narbonne of Mars resistance will find no toleration;
    By sea and land the intrigue appearing so insidious,
    Capitol not having safe space for its deliberation

    Split in half, IX.64 line 3 occurs first, with Hurricane Harvey making landfall with the solar eclipse of August 2017, using the same 'sea and land' phrase from X.95: so the final line, where 'Cap.' indicates the US Capitol, recalls the 6 January 2021
    riot disturbing the certification of electoral votes, which in X.95 is the malevolence at the lunar crescent, in a waning phase for being lowered.

    The first line has the Macedonian reference to Saint Auctus returning from 7 November 2020 (X.7 line 2), after the Dobbs decision 24 June 2022, contiguous to the 25 June feast for Saint Eurosia, whose story fleeing an arranged marriage is associated with
    the Pyrenees mountain range. This implies a thematic continuity extending beyond the dates.

    The 22 March date for Saint Paul of Narbonne in 2023 did not present proper conditions with the brief Mars reign (a few days later) or fulfill line 2; a more promising candidate is Saint Rusticus with the 14 October feast, a bishop who resigned (d. 574).
    Mars enters Scorpio 12 October 2023, in the reigning circumstance until reaching nearly a degree the following day.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Wed Apr 19 16:27:34 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    The House of Lorraine in X.18 suggests Saint Ida is not involved, but nobility to match the Vendome reference: this again could provide the 18 April date, via Charles V, Duke of Lorraine (b. 3 April 1643, d. 18 April 1690), however with the 'Plus Ultra'
    ('Further Beyond') motto from VI.70, with a device featuring the pillars of Hercules from X.27, confusion seems deliberately devised with Nostradamus contemporary Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500-1558).

    Par le cinquieme et un grand Hercules
    Viendront le temple ouvrir de main bellique

    For the Fifth and a great Hercules
    They will come to open the Temple by violent force

    [X.27]

    The Fifth could be for Charles V of Lorraine, hinting at the 18 April date for 2023 through his historic date of death.

    Le rang Lorrain fera place a Vendosme

    The House of Lorraine will create the setting for Vendome

    The X.18 chronology puts Lorraine ahead of Vendome, the latter presumably in 2023 for the 22 April (1518) birthdate of Antoine de Bourbon-Vendome.

    Le circuit du grand fait ruineux
    Le nom septieme du cinquieme sera

    The circuit of the greatly ruinous deed
    The Seventh Name will emerge from the Fifth

    [II.88]

    The circular design of the Geneva LHC is the apparent subject, with X.27 implying the catastrophe would cause a metaphysical rupture opening Heaven's Temple, thus manifesting the Sin-Review of the Garabandal Warning or Preparation event.

    While the Apocalyptic Seventh Bowl was poured circa late 2009 (X.74, recalling the later luge death at the 2010 Winter Olympics), the consequential cataclysm only occurs years later, so that incident only acquires its name after transpiring with the
    Lorraine date for Charles the Fifth.

    Peste a l'Eglise par le nouveau Roi joint
    L'Europe basse et Septentrionale

    Plague of the Church through the newly-joined King
    The European case low and Northerly

    [I.52]

    The 25 October 2022 solar eclipse was visible in northern Europe, however it did not coincide with the apocalyptic assault as the other line implies: the subsequent solar eclipse is on 20 April 2023, with V.66 suggesting that is the eclipse
    synchronized with the disastrous occurrence. The King is a solar eclipse, with the description 'newly-joined' being time-sensitive - thus the eclipse is not the typical astronomical omen, but should functionally overlap with the cataclysm though the
    associated judicial astrology as prophetically rendered.
    The 18 April date surfaced with hagiological resets: an alternate Lombardy with Saint Galdinus (1100-1176), Cardinal of Milan from 1165; Saint Agia of Hainault (died circa 711), a widow (VIII.80); Saint Gebuinus (d. 1080), Archbishop of Lyons. The
    trembling of Gaul in X.58 could be attributed to either Saint Pantagathus of Vienne (for 17 April), or Saint Vincent of Collioure, Gaul, a Diocletian martyr circa 304 (for 19 April).
    The 22 April date coincides with two potentially relevant feasts: Saint Apelles, the martyred first bishop of Smyrna, for the human-Frankincense theme of V.16; and Saint Tarbula, a consecrated virgin (VIII.80) who was accused of sorcery when the wife
    of anti-Christian Persian King Shapur fell ill - Tarbula was subjected to the non-magical trick of being fatally sawed in half.
    The Macedonian to exceed the Pyrenees-mountain contiguous,
    At Narbonne of Mars resistance will find no toleration;
    By sea and land the intrigue appearing so insidious,
    Capitol not having safe space for its deliberation

    Split in half, IX.64 line 3 occurs first, with Hurricane Harvey making landfall with the solar eclipse of August 2017, using the same 'sea and land' phrase from X.95: so the final line, where 'Cap.' indicates the US Capitol, recalls the 6 January 2021
    riot disturbing the certification of electoral votes, which in X.95 is the malevolence at the lunar crescent, in a waning phase for being lowered.

    The first line has the Macedonian reference to Saint Auctus returning from 7 November 2020 (X.7 line 2), after the Dobbs decision 24 June 2022, contiguous to the 25 June feast for Saint Eurosia, whose story fleeing an arranged marriage is associated
    with the Pyrenees mountain range. This implies a thematic continuity extending beyond the dates.

    The 22 March date for Saint Paul of Narbonne in 2023 did not present proper conditions with the brief Mars reign (a few days later) or fulfill line 2; a more promising candidate is Saint Rusticus with the 14 October feast, a bishop who resigned (d. 574)
    . Mars enters Scorpio 12 October 2023, in the reigning circumstance until reaching nearly a degree the following day.

    There was a Node aspect with another slow-moving planet soon after The Beatles performed their final concert 31 August 1966, and the record release dates can be researched for various interesting configurations: for example, the 10 July 1964 date of the "
    A Hard Day's Night" album had a sustained Solar Grand Trine with Pallas and Chiron, around eighteen degrees in the water signs.

    Since 'newly-joined King' in I.52 means shortly after the 20 April 2023 eclipse, the 23 April feast for Saint Marolus of Milan for Lombardy suggests new perspectives for some parameters. The 18 April 2023 parking structure collapse is for the Western
    land in II.65, with Milan Cardinal Saint Galdinus for a different Insubrian factor.

    For 23 April 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    2:43 pm - Venus lunar conjunct coincides with Grand Trine of nearby Juno as Apex in a Grand Trine with Ceres and the Vertex - potentially corresponds with X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees Venus as daughter pale from regret associated with the 2
    February 2023 feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac, when Venus was in a day-long Grand Trine with the Moon and South Node [The Juno-Ceres trine occurs 22 April 10:27 pm CEST, in a Grand Trine with Midheaven 23 April 7:15 am, heavily skewed to the right and
    therefore not a Balance presentation; Mars is the subsequent lunar conjunct 26 April 2023];

    10:11 pm - Grand Trine forms of Titan Saturn as High-Born of II.92, with the South Node (the pairing under the symmetrical Balance for V.42) and Vertex ('vitrix' in V.18) - this as the recurring constant circumstance would be the critical time,

    << 23 April 2023 10:11 pm CEST / 4:11 pm EDT / 1:11 pm PDT >>

    Continuing for 24 April 2023:

    10:08 am - Vesta is engulfed by its solar conjunct for VI.19, at 3 degrees 54 minutes Taurus, with the Node at 4 degrees 12 minutes, less than a third of a degree away;

    2:15 pm - Neptune in a square lunar aspect at 26 degrees 31 minutes is complicated by Pallas being at 26 degrees 45 minutes - so Pallas is Moon-adjacent, as well as being in a trine with Neptune, thereby providing the perplexity of III.3.

    There is no need for the Descendant to be implicated, since the Moon being in the proximity of Venus post-conjunct allows for the debasement concept (X.28).

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Wed Apr 26 16:14:50 2023
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    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could refer
    to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Wed Apr 26 15:58:11 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn. This could imply some event timed beyond the
    initial cataclysmic onset, as the tragic moment explaining the Saturnin term.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus as Mystery Babylon (demonstrated 9 September 2022, from
    applying VIII.96 and X.95), still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could refer
    to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.

    An unexpected twist is that the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment would be a focus because of synchronization with the two concurrent Venusian Pediments, having scriptural basis.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Wed Apr 26 19:33:49 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could refer
    to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.

    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20 April solar
    eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex) suggesting the '
    double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is problematic.

    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand
    Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the 'Saturnin
    Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Thu Apr 27 04:23:04 2023
    [continued from previous message]


    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e., Neptune-
    Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the 'newly-
    joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could
    refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20 April
    solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex) suggesting the '
    double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is problematic.

    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand
    Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the 'Saturnin
    Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.

    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he said, ‘
    Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back, we only
    heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a
    cusp, around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying out that
    order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Sat Apr 29 12:36:26 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13 December
    2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e., Neptune-
    Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the 'newly-
    joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.


    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could
    refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20 April
    solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex) suggesting
    the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is problematic.


    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand
    Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the 'Saturnin
    Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.
    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he said, ‘
    Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back, we
    only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying out
    that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.

    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most recently
    with the 18 April 203 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being falsified by
    Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies' for Saint
    Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great Mercury'
    linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth' from II.
    88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under the
    Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de Graye
    from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into its height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha was
    married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This juxtaposed against the
    ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon.

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the Ceres
    lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Sat Apr 29 12:49:34 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13 December
    2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e., Neptune-
    Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the 'newly-
    joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.


    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could
    refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20 April
    solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex) suggesting
    the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is problematic.


    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand
    Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the 'Saturnin
    Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.
    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he said, ‘
    Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back, we
    only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying out
    that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.

    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most recently
    with the 18 April 203 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being falsified by
    Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed' in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies' for Saint
    Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great Mercury'
    linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth' from II.
    88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under the
    Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de Graye
    from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha was
    married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same specific sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This juxtaposed
    against the ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon (meaning Venus).

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the Ceres
    lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Sat Apr 29 12:56:44 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13 December
    2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e., Neptune-
    Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the 'newly-
    joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.94.


    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could
    refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20 April
    solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex) suggesting
    the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is problematic.


    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand
    Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the 'Saturnin
    Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.
    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he said, ‘
    Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back, we
    only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying out
    that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.

    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most recently
    with the 18 April 2023 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being falsified by
    Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed' in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies' for Saint
    Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great Mercury'
    linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth' from II.
    88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under the
    Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de Graye
    from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into its height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha was
    married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same specific sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This juxtaposed
    against the ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon (meaning Venus).

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the Ceres
    lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

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    An Accident -
    An Accident -

    Will Happen!'

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Mon May 1 15:09:53 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    The verbiage of Revelation could be figurative where the illuminating quatrains are precise: the Cup Venus mixed for herself should be 2 February 2023 with the Venusian Lunar Grand Trine including the South Node, yet how that is mixed double
    for her later remains nebulous; in I.94 the vengeance and remorse is attributed to the 'New Mars,' implying the singular instance when the Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex forms [26 April 9:59 pm CEST / 3:59 pm EDT / 12:59 pm PDT,
    Fortune opposing Saturn] during the interval between the Mars lunar conjunct [26 April 2023 5:08 am CEST] and the subsequent Pallas-Moon union [27 April 2023 3:59 am CEST].

    Venus could only be figuratively debased by this scenario, as though humiliated by having the Mars vengeance ensue in the wake of her lunar temple interval.

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13
    December 2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e.,
    Neptune-Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the '
    newly-joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy I.
    94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead could
    refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20 April
    solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex) suggesting
    the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is problematic.


    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node
    Grand Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the '
    Saturnin Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.

    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he said,
    Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back, we
    only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying out
    that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.
    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most
    recently with the 18 April 2023 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being falsified by
    Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed' in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies' for Saint
    Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great
    Mercury' linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth' from
    II.88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under the
    Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de Graye
    from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into its height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha was
    married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same specific sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This juxtaposed
    against the ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon (meaning Venus).

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the Ceres
    lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

    *

    'An Accident -
    An Accident -
    An Accident -

    Will Happen!'

    {Transcription of reversed lead vocal from "Helter Skelter"}

    The song "Baby You're A Rich Man" had a subtle reference to Brian Epstein suggested by vocal mangling of the lyrical phrase "You're a rich man too" in the coda, with the seeming intention of a guileless tribute; the Christian subtext was evident in the
    reverse-phased instrumental aurally shocking effects, subliminally recalling Lucifer offering various temptations for Jesus - before the first vocal is sung, there is a lengthy, briskly-played opening musical passage with the cadence of meandering speech.

    * False Rapport With Venus, As Bookbinder Found Under The Balance *

    Extending further in the Geneva Vigil to the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine 2 May 2023 9:36 pm CEST [3:36 pm EDT/ 12:36 pm PDT], there is another feast which could prove pivotal: Saint Wiborada was born to Swabian nobility, and when her brother
    Hatto entered the Saint Magnus monastery, to become priest and provost, she entered Saint Gall's monastery, becoming a Benedictine nun, working as a bookbinder. Wiborada withdrew to her cell as an anchoress and visionary, issuing a warning about an
    impending Magyar invasion that allowed the occupants of both monasteries to escape; she remained in her cell however, axed to death by the invaders. She is depicted holding both a book and an axe.

    There may be deliberate confusion of Saint Gall with Gaul in X.58; the nun-librarian identity may be hinted by the Bible-reader in V.83.

    Wiborada was the first woman formally canonized by the Vatican, in 1047 by Pope Clement II.

    The Saturnin Grand Trine cases on 2 and 3 May 2023 put the Moon in Libra, which could ultimately explain the Balance reference of V.42 - at seven degrees Libra for the 2 May 2023 case, with the constellation otherwise empty.

    As for the false rapport with Venus from X.28, that could be a combination of the sustained square aspect with Ceres, along with Fortune less than three degrees from Venus in its own square with Neptune:

    Ceres 23 degrees 52 minutes Virgo;
    Venus 24 degrees 42 minutes Gemini /
    Fortune 27 degrees 27 minutes Gemini;
    Neptune 26 degrees 47 minutes Pisces.

    This broken and imperfect dual-square correspondence with the inexact Ceres-Neptune opposition may constitute the Venusian 'false rapport,' in absence of contrary guidance, arriving at what seems to be an extremely advanced stage for the cataclysmic
    timing from the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse, as the newly-joined King of I.52.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Tue May 2 15:04:17 2023
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    The verbiage of Revelation could be figurative where the illuminating quatrains are precise: the Cup Venus mixed for herself should be 2 February 2023 with the Venusian Lunar Grand Trine including the South Node, yet how that is mixed double
    for her later remains nebulous; in I.94 the vengeance and remorse is attributed to the 'New Mars,' implying the singular instance when the Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex forms [26 April 9:59 pm CEST / 3:59 pm EDT / 12:59 pm PDT,
    Fortune opposing Saturn] during the interval between the Mars lunar conjunct [26 April 2023 5:08 am CEST] and the subsequent Pallas-Moon union [27 April 2023 3:59 am CEST].

    Venus could only be figuratively debased by this scenario, as though humiliated by having the Mars vengeance ensue in the wake of her lunar temple interval.

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13
    December 2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e.,
    Neptune-Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the '
    newly-joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to satisfy
    I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead
    could refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20
    April solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several
    centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex)
    suggesting the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is
    problematic.

    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node
    Grand Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the '
    Saturnin Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.

    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he said,
    ‘Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back,
    we only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying
    out that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.
    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most
    recently with the 18 April 2023 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being falsified by
    Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed' in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies' for Saint
    Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great
    Mercury' linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth' from
    II.88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under the
    Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de Graye
    from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into its height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha was
    married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same specific sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This juxtaposed
    against the ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon (meaning Venus).

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the
    Ceres lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

    *

    'An Accident -
    An Accident -
    An Accident -

    Will Happen!'

    {Transcription of reversed lead vocal from "Helter Skelter"}
    The song "Baby You're A Rich Man" had a subtle reference to Brian Epstein suggested by vocal mangling of the lyrical phrase "You're a rich man too" in the coda, with the seeming intention of a guileless tribute; the Christian subtext was evident in the
    reverse-phased instrumental aurally shocking effects, subliminally recalling Lucifer offering various temptations for Jesus - before the first vocal is sung, there is a lengthy, briskly-played opening musical passage with the cadence of meandering speech.


    * False Rapport With Venus, As Bookbinder Found Under The Balance *

    Extending further in the Geneva Vigil to the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine 2 May 2023 9:36 pm CEST [3:36 pm EDT/ 12:36 pm PDT], there is another feast which could prove pivotal: Saint Wiborada was born to Swabian nobility, and when her brother
    Hatto entered the Saint Magnus monastery, to become priest and provost, she entered Saint Gall's monastery, becoming a Benedictine nun, working as a bookbinder. Wiborada withdrew to her cell as an anchoress and visionary, issuing a warning about an
    impending Magyar invasion that allowed the occupants of both monasteries to escape; she remained in her cell however, axed to death by the invaders. She is depicted holding both a book and an axe.

    There may be deliberate confusion of Saint Gall with Gaul in X.58; the nun-librarian identity may be hinted by the Bible-reader in V.83.

    Wiborada was the first woman formally canonized by the Vatican, in 1047 by Pope Clement II.

    The Saturnin Grand Trine cases on 2 and 3 May 2023 put the Moon in Libra, which could ultimately explain the Balance reference of V.42 - at seven degrees Libra for the 2 May 2023 case, with the constellation otherwise empty.

    As for the false rapport with Venus from X.28, that could be a combination of the sustained square aspect with Ceres, along with Fortune less than three degrees from Venus in its own square with Neptune:

    Ceres 23 degrees 52 minutes Virgo;
    Venus 24 degrees 42 minutes Gemini /
    Fortune 27 degrees 27 minutes Gemini;
    Neptune 26 degrees 47 minutes Pisces.

    This broken and imperfect dual-square correspondence with the inexact Ceres-Neptune opposition may constitute the Venusian 'false rapport,' in absence of contrary guidance, arriving at what seems to be an extremely advanced stage for the cataclysmic
    timing from the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse, as the newly-joined King of I.52.

    Since the final line of II.51 likely provides the 4 May date via commemoration for the Eighteen Carthusian Monk martyrs, line 3 where presumably Venus as the ancient lady falls from some nebulous 'high place' should be close-by in 2023, clarifying a key
    point.

    The seer actually indicated a few degrees into Scorpio for the Moon by specifying 'Under the Balance' in V.42, which is the case for the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine on 4 May 2023. Although Saturn and the South Node will then diverge in their
    trine by about two degrees, this complies with the betraying Great Urn of X.50, as a degrading base for the triad.

    The 5 May scheduling returns to an earlier theory for the Lorraine of X.50 as the feast of Saint Hilary of Arles, zealous bishop, born circa 400 in Lorraine (d. 449, natural causes).

    Also having the 5 May feast is Saint Geruntius, Bishop of Milan, Lombardy, from 465 to his death in 470 (V.42, VI.16).

    The trembling Gaul of X.58 could refer to Saint Britto, Bishop of Trier in Belgic Gaul from 374, a major church leader in the region again honored May Fifth.

    The quirk of the Scorpio lunar presence in the 4 May 2023 9:29 pm CEST [3:29 pm EDT / 12:29 pm PDT] iteration of the Saturnin Grand Trine is its close proximity to near the South Node, so they appear as one merged point: Moon 2 degrees 43 minutes; South
    Node 3 degrees 38 minutes Scorpio. This strong augmentation of the South Node highlights the substantial presence of Saturn, yet also how the optimal Vertex is nearest Venus, which is technically uninvolved.

    The false rapport with Venus could be incorrectly perceiving a Grand Trine that substitutes Venus for the Vertex. Venus at 26 degrees 55 minutes Gemini is at an advanced, low-ranked position; the relevant Vertex position is around 4 degrees 49 minutes
    Cancer, a 'high place' in the next sign. Venus being dropped from the high place, and a false rapport being established with her (as being part of the Grand Trine), could both suggest an initial improper astrological assessment including Venus in the
    Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine, to be later rectified by acknowledging the Vertex as the actual participant.

    So Venus misses out on again being in a Grand Trine with both the South Node and the Moon, as on 2 February 2023, and is given the Cup 4 May 2023 9:29 pm CEST by being so close to a pivotal conceptual point there would be some confusion, ultimately
    resolved by Venus being officially demoted out of the Grand Trine altogether.

    An example of how the French seer comments on interpretations is in III.34 -

    Quand le defaut du Soleil lors sera
    Sur le plein jour le monstre sera vu
    Tout autrement on l'interpretera
    Cherte n'a garde: nul n'y aura pourvu

    When the flaw upon the Sun will occur,
    In plain daylight the monster will be seen;
    A quite diff'rent reading widely preferred -
    Worth Unfortressed: a fate no one'd foreseen

    In the third line it was predicted during fulfillment there would be a prevalent misinterpretation, which occurred with the first half where a Giant Sunspot is clearly what would be visible in broad daylight, when it manifested in late March 2000.

    Just as written, it was impossible for me to dissuade the majority expressing an opinion from a consensus that 'defaut du Soleil' had to mean a solar eclipse, despite that destroying the associated 'full daylight' concept.

    The tornado activity striking Fort Worth, Texas, on 28 March 2000 was indicated by the 'Worth Unfortressed' wordplay, literally phrased as 'Value Not Guarded.' The same Fort Worth cyclonic event was in I.3, focusing on the feature of glass from
    skyscrapers shattering, so people had to use their coats to shield their eyes.

    Quand la litiere du tourbillon versee
    Et seront faces de leurs manteaux couvers,
    La republique par gens nouveaux vexee;
    Lors blancs et rouges jugeront a l'envers

    When by whirlwind the Litter will be upturned
    And faces will be covered by gown,
    The republic will be vexed by new-folk turn -
    Then whites and reds will judge upside-down

    Cyclonic devastation struck Camilla (meaning 'Litter' in Spanish), Georgia, 14 February 2000, about six weeks before the Forth Worth incident. And of course the US 2000 presidential election resulted in the Florida results being discarded by the Supreme
    Court, in favor of an invocation of the 1877 anti-chaos law: so the 'new people' arriving as a result to vex the republic was the administration inaugurated in 2001, with its dubious legacy eventually including two ill-conceived wars and a financial
    collapse. The stripes on the US flag alternating whites and reds explains that aspect of the final line.

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  • From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to Curtis Eagal on Thu May 4 14:22:38 2023
    [continued from previous message]

    Since Saturn will be below the Ecliptic at the critical time, and the Vertex and South Node are conceptual points, the V.65 comment that the principals of the affair will be hidden applies; additionally the proximity of Vesta to the Sun
    is implied by specifying the lady on burning coals no longer being in view.
    John Lennon during an interview in Memphis, Tennessee on 19 August 1966 decided to go against the advice of Epstein to waffle on the issue of the Vietnam War, rather than expressing any genuine opinions which could prove controversial.

    "You can't keep quiet about anything that's going on in the world, unless you're a monk...

    Sorry, monks! I didn't mean it! [comically gesticulating] ...I meant actually...."

    *

    The verbiage of Revelation could be figurative where the illuminating quatrains are precise: the Cup Venus mixed for herself should be 2 February 2023 with the Venusian Lunar Grand Trine including the South Node, yet how that is mixed
    double for her later remains nebulous; in I.94 the vengeance and remorse is attributed to the 'New Mars,' implying the singular instance when the Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex forms [26 April 9:59 pm CEST / 3:59 pm EDT / 12:59 pm
    PDT, Fortune opposing Saturn] during the interval between the Mars lunar conjunct [26 April 2023 5:08 am CEST] and the subsequent Pallas-Moon union [27 April 2023 3:59 am CEST].

    Venus could only be figuratively debased by this scenario, as though humiliated by having the Mars vengeance ensue in the wake of her lunar temple interval.

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13
    December 2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e.,
    Neptune-Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the '
    newly-joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to
    satisfy I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead
    could refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20
    April solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several
    centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex)
    suggesting the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is
    problematic.

    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South Node
    Grand Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the '
    Saturnin Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.

    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he
    said, ‘Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the back,
    we only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because carrying
    out that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.
    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most
    recently with the 18 April 2023 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being falsified
    by Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed' in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies' for Saint
    Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great
    Mercury' linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth'
    from II.88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under
    the Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de
    Graye from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into its height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha was
    married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same specific sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This
    juxtaposed against the ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon (meaning Venus).

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the
    Ceres lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

    *

    'An Accident -
    An Accident -
    An Accident -

    Will Happen!'

    {Transcription of reversed lead vocal from "Helter Skelter"}
    The song "Baby You're A Rich Man" had a subtle reference to Brian Epstein suggested by vocal mangling of the lyrical phrase "You're a rich man too" in the coda, with the seeming intention of a guileless tribute; the Christian subtext was evident in
    the reverse-phased instrumental aurally shocking effects, subliminally recalling Lucifer offering various temptations for Jesus - before the first vocal is sung, there is a lengthy, briskly-played opening musical passage with the cadence of meandering
    speech.

    * False Rapport With Venus, As Bookbinder Found Under The Balance *

    Extending further in the Geneva Vigil to the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine 2 May 2023 9:36 pm CEST [3:36 pm EDT/ 12:36 pm PDT], there is another feast which could prove pivotal: Saint Wiborada was born to Swabian nobility, and when her brother
    Hatto entered the Saint Magnus monastery, to become priest and provost, she entered Saint Gall's monastery, becoming a Benedictine nun, working as a bookbinder. Wiborada withdrew to her cell as an anchoress and visionary, issuing a warning about an
    impending Magyar invasion that allowed the occupants of both monasteries to escape; she remained in her cell however, axed to death by the invaders. She is depicted holding both a book and an axe.

    There may be deliberate confusion of Saint Gall with Gaul in X.58; the nun-librarian identity may be hinted by the Bible-reader in V.83.

    Wiborada was the first woman formally canonized by the Vatican, in 1047 by Pope Clement II.

    The Saturnin Grand Trine cases on 2 and 3 May 2023 put the Moon in Libra, which could ultimately explain the Balance reference of V.42 - at seven degrees Libra for the 2 May 2023 case, with the constellation otherwise empty.

    As for the false rapport with Venus from X.28, that could be a combination of the sustained square aspect with Ceres, along with Fortune less than three degrees from Venus in its own square with Neptune:

    Ceres 23 degrees 52 minutes Virgo;
    Venus 24 degrees 42 minutes Gemini /
    Fortune 27 degrees 27 minutes Gemini;
    Neptune 26 degrees 47 minutes Pisces.

    This broken and imperfect dual-square correspondence with the inexact Ceres-Neptune opposition may constitute the Venusian 'false rapport,' in absence of contrary guidance, arriving at what seems to be an extremely advanced stage for the cataclysmic
    timing from the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse, as the newly-joined King of I.52.
    Since the final line of II.51 likely provides the 4 May date via commemoration for the Eighteen Carthusian Monk martyrs, line 3 where presumably Venus as the ancient lady falls from some nebulous 'high place' should be close-by in 2023, clarifying a
    key point.

    The seer actually indicated a few degrees into Scorpio for the Moon by specifying 'Under the Balance' in V.42, which is the case for the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine on 4 May 2023. Although Saturn and the South Node will then diverge in their
    trine by about two degrees, this complies with the betraying Great Urn of X.50, as a degrading base for the triad.

    The 5 May scheduling returns to an earlier theory for the Lorraine of X.50 as the feast of Saint Hilary of Arles, zealous bishop, born circa 400 in Lorraine (d. 449, natural causes).

    Also having the 5 May feast is Saint Geruntius, Bishop of Milan, Lombardy, from 465 to his death in 470 (V.42, VI.16).

    The trembling Gaul of X.58 could refer to Saint Britto, Bishop of Trier in Belgic Gaul from 374, a major church leader in the region again honored May Fifth.

    The quirk of the Scorpio lunar presence in the 4 May 2023 9:29 pm CEST [3:29 pm EDT / 12:29 pm PDT] iteration of the Saturnin Grand Trine is its close proximity to near the South Node, so they appear as one merged point: Moon 2 degrees 43 minutes;
    South Node 3 degrees 38 minutes Scorpio. This strong augmentation of the South Node highlights the substantial presence of Saturn, yet also how the optimal Vertex is nearest Venus, which is technically uninvolved.

    The false rapport with Venus could be incorrectly perceiving a Grand Trine that substitutes Venus for the Vertex. Venus at 26 degrees 55 minutes Gemini is at an advanced, low-ranked position; the relevant Vertex position is around 4 degrees 49 minutes
    Cancer, a 'high place' in the next sign. Venus being dropped from the high place, and a false rapport being established with her (as being part of the Grand Trine), could both suggest an initial improper astrological assessment including Venus in the
    Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine, to be later rectified by acknowledging the Vertex as the actual participant.

    So Venus misses out on again being in a Grand Trine with both the South Node and the Moon, as on 2 February 2023, and is given the Cup 4 May 2023 9:29 pm CEST by being so close to a pivotal conceptual point there would be some confusion, ultimately
    resolved by Venus being officially demoted out of the Grand Trine altogether.

    An example of how the French seer comments on interpretations is in III.34 -

    Quand le defaut du Soleil lors sera
    Sur le plein jour le monstre sera vu
    Tout autrement on l'interpretera
    Cherte n'a garde: nul n'y aura pourvu

    When the flaw upon the Sun will occur,
    In plain daylight the monster will be seen;
    A quite diff'rent reading widely preferred -
    Worth Unfortressed: a fate no one'd foreseen

    In the third line it was predicted during fulfillment there would be a prevalent misinterpretation, which occurred with the first half where a Giant Sunspot is clearly what would be visible in broad daylight, when it manifested in late March 2000.

    Just as written, it was impossible for me to dissuade the majority expressing an opinion from a consensus that 'defaut du Soleil' had to mean a solar eclipse, despite that destroying the associated 'full daylight' concept.

    The tornado activity striking Fort Worth, Texas, on 28 March 2000 was indicated by the 'Worth Unfortressed' wordplay, literally phrased as 'Value Not Guarded.' The same Fort Worth cyclonic event was in I.3, focusing on the feature of glass from
    skyscrapers shattering, so people had to use their coats to shield their eyes.

    Quand la litiere du tourbillon versee
    Et seront faces de leurs manteaux couvers,
    La republique par gens nouveaux vexee;
    Lors blancs et rouges jugeront a l'envers

    When by whirlwind the Litter will be upturned
    And faces will be covered by gown,
    The republic will be vexed by new-folk turn -
    Then whites and reds will judge upside-down

    Cyclonic devastation struck Camilla (meaning 'Litter' in Spanish), Georgia, 14 February 2000, about six weeks before the Forth Worth incident. And of course the US 2000 presidential election resulted in the Florida results being discarded by the
    Supreme Court, in favor of an invocation of the 1877 anti-chaos law: so the 'new people' arriving as a result to vex the republic was the administration inaugurated in 2001, with its dubious legacy eventually including two ill-conceived wars and a
    financial collapse. The stripes on the US flag alternating whites and reds explains that aspect of the final line.

    In my research it was found many stories that fascinated the public during the early Beatles era were misreported: one example was when they visited the British Embassy in Washington, D.C., and the story arose their own countrymen had been abusive, even
    to the point of cutting a lock of Ringo Starr's hair! The actual story was that a young woman was trying not to break curfew, and her date was determined to stay too late - so she found some cuticle scissors, and deliberately performed the outrageous
    act without warning or permission, not to obtain some personal souvenir, but with the intention of being ejected, which proved successful.

    *

    The Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex forming for Geneva 5 May 2023 9:25 pm CEST [3:25 pm EDT / 2:25 pm PDT] has the Saturn trine with the South Node over two degrees in variance, potentially rendering the Large Urn of X.50. The Moon
    will still be under the Balance constellation, in Scorpio with the South Node, although separated from the previous iteration, with the Moon reaching 16 degrees.

    For 5 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    5:41 am - Venus in Gemini sextile Jupiter in Aries (27 degrees 18 minutes) - this could be the false rapport with Venus from X.28, since Jupiter represents the Supreme Being whose correspondence with Venus as Mystery Babylon does not appear benign;

    5:34 pm - Vesta and Mercury conjoin at 9 degrees Taurus, perhaps the true flame of Vulcan Hermes engulfing fire goddess Vesta, as a union symbolic of vestal ignition (VI.19);

    7:34 pm - Sun in Taurus opposes Moon in Scorpio (Full Moon, 14 degrees 58 minutes), likely match for 'Sol et Lune' from line 3 of V.66; and

    9:25 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex, as the critical triggering Chalice configuration (VI.89), with Venus at 28 degrees Gemini being the most advanced celestial body, which could be the 'high place' meaning for II.51 (having the
    highest numerical position), as the time for the ancient lady to experience her fall.

    So this is the final instance when the Moon is 'under the Balance (V.42) for the Saturnin Grand Trine including the Vertex, and it is synchronized with an insidious Venusian aspect, the meeting of the two vestals (whose August 2022 opposition figured in
    IV.95), and the plausibly fateful Full Moon.

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    The debasement of Venus from X.28 may derive from cataclysmic onset arriving near the end of the Venusian lunar interval, when the Moon is nearing its New Mars conjunct for I.94. For the King to be newly-joined from I.52, the 20 April
    2023 solar eclipse should be recent, probably less than a week transpiring: the post-eclipse lunar intervals for Venus and Mars thus appear to comply with this ominous scheduling.

    Since Saturn will be below the Ecliptic at the critical time, and the Vertex and South Node are conceptual points, the V.65 comment that the principals of the affair will be hidden applies; additionally the proximity of Vesta to the Sun
    is implied by specifying the lady on burning coals no longer being in view.
    John Lennon during an interview in Memphis, Tennessee on 19 August 1966 decided to go against the advice of Epstein to waffle on the issue of the Vietnam War, rather than expressing any genuine opinions which could prove controversial.

    "You can't keep quiet about anything that's going on in the world, unless you're a monk...

    Sorry, monks! I didn't mean it! [comically gesticulating] ...I meant actually...."

    *

    The verbiage of Revelation could be figurative where the illuminating quatrains are precise: the Cup Venus mixed for herself should be 2 February 2023 with the Venusian Lunar Grand Trine including the South Node, yet how that is mixed
    double for her later remains nebulous; in I.94 the vengeance and remorse is attributed to the 'New Mars,' implying the singular instance when the Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex forms [26 April 9:59 pm CEST / 3:59 pm EDT / 12:59 pm
    PDT, Fortune opposing Saturn] during the interval between the Mars lunar conjunct [26 April 2023 5:08 am CEST] and the subsequent Pallas-Moon union [27 April 2023 3:59 am CEST].

    Venus could only be figuratively debased by this scenario, as though humiliated by having the Mars vengeance ensue in the wake of her lunar temple interval.

    The Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node 25 April 2023 6:38 am CEST had the Geneva Dawn Fortune jump from Saturn to the Moon, within the same Grand Trine! The Fortune leap was reminiscent of the one creating a Grand Trine on 13
    December 2022 4:44 pm CET at Geneva Dusk.

    The final line of VI.89 could imply a non-activating Grand Trine followed by the triggering formation, perhaps as the doubling of a Cup; also there could be a Grand Trine being distinguished from a Pediment configuration.

    The Mars-iteration of the Saturnin-Vertex Chalice has an independent Pediment:

    Juno 26 degrees 49 minutes Taurus;
    Neptune 26 degrees 36 minutes Pisces;
    Pallas 27 degrees 39 minutes Cancer.

    The Moon at 24 degrees 46 minutes Cancer progresses to making a more precise Pediment just before reaching Pallas, on 27 April 2023 from 1:40 am to 2:20 am CEST - this Juno-Neptune-Moon Pediment is another potential Corinth-Ephesus (i.e.,
    Neptune-Moon) perplexity situation for III.3, which should indicate the aftermath following the initial cataclysmic onset caused by Saturn with the Vertex and South Node. Over a week beyond the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should violate the sense of the '
    newly-joined King' clause from I.52.
    When the Neptune lunar trine occurs 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the Pediment formation of Neptune-Juno-Moon will coexist with two other Pediment formations, both involving Venus, from roughly 17 to 18.5 degrees in various signs.

    Pediment-1 is Fortune-Vertex-Venus (placing the Crest in the middle); Pediment-2 is Chiron-Venus-Vertex. Chiron and Fortune are roughly in opposition.

    If the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 means 28 April 2023, that should be 5:33 pm CEST, since the upright vertical Apex Midheaven is in a Grand Trine then for Geneva with a base of the South Node and Saturn.

    Several complex overlapping processes seem to be utilized for the cataclysmic predictions, yet the profusion of angular correspondences 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST has the double Chalice for Venus, still after the Mars lunar conjunct to
    satisfy I.94.

    The Cupbearer of VI.89 means a slave tasked with keeping the cups of guests filled, with the falsification concept suggesting the daily-recurring Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine would not be activated. The Chalice that is tried instead
    could refer to Pediment formations, rather than Grand Trines.
    Looking back at April 2023, the Full Moon with Chiron at the Sun (6 April 2023) was described in VI.70; the 13 April Half Moon was indicated in II.66 by the maximized jump of Fortune at Geneva Dawn from Pallas to the opposing Moon; and the 20
    April solar eclipse was identified in V.66 by the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Servilian. Even dismissing the noted precursor events, that omniscient awareness of the contemporary sequencing is ominous, particularly since it was provided several
    centuries ago.

    The perplexity from III.3 emerged as the Neptune-Juno-Moon Pediment with the Neptune lunar trine 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, at a 'New Mars' lunar conjunct (I.94), with two other Pediments (Fortune-Vertex-Venus, and Chiron-Venus-Vertex)
    suggesting the 'double-mixing' ordered in Revelation. The 'vengeance and remorse' from I.94 could be symbolic references to the Venusian Pediments, without predicting simultaneous activation. Foretelling celestial events purely for judicial astrology is
    problematic.

    The Lombard date inferred in V.42 and VI.16 should be 28 April 2023, and the form of a single Grand Trine was suggested by the chart from the second of the 6 February 2023 sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border: the Saturn-Vertex-South
    Node Grand Trine recurring on the Lombard date should be the trying of the Chalice, for the reasons stated prior (the 'vitrix' near-anagram of V.18 attending a massive Sacrifice, the Balanced orientation when Midheaven is substituted for the Vertex [V.42]
    ).

    The confirming fact on 28 April 2023 could be the lunar aspects before and after the Saturnin Grand Trine forms: the Moon squares the planet named for 'The Heavens' 9:27 pm CEST - 'Its noise and light will surpass The Heavens' (VI.70); the '
    Saturnin Chalice' makes its appearance 9:52 pm CEST [3:52 pm EDT / 2:52 pm PDT], which should be the critical time; then nearly four hours later, Venus has its lunar sextile 29 April 2023 1:41 am CEST, esoterically 'giving her the Cup' as Mystery Babylon.

    << “We had imported the record by Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers (really the Beatles) and it sold like crazy. One day Brian came in and said, “Do you remember that record we sold by the Beatles?” I said ‘Yes, of course’, and he
    said, ‘Well, they are playing at the Cavern, today, at lunchtime, let’s go to lunch and call in at the Cavern’.

    So we went to the Cavern. Ghastly place. We went in suits, like I’m wearing today, and there were these four ghastly youths up on stage, wearing black leather jeans, black jackets, smoking and drinking, and so loud. Brian and I sat at the
    back, we only heard about four or five numbers and they were just so charismatic and so exciting. What really struck us was the final number, which Paul announced they had written. It was ‘Hello Little Girl’..." >>

    [1995 Alistair Taylor interview]

    https://beatlesinlondon.com/november-9th-1961-brian-epstein-meet-the-beatles-at-the-cavern-club/

    Brian Epstein's first trip to the Cavern Club to see The Beatles perform at a lunchtime show was on Thursday, 9 November 1961, a day when Venus and Mercury remained about a third of a degree apart. Comparison with his natal chart shows a few
    correspondences: the Cavern-visit Jupiter was at his natal Moon, both a fraction of a degree into Aquarius; the Cavern-visit South Node position closely matched Epstein's natal Saturn around 22.7 degrees Aquarius. The Cavern-visit Moon was also on a cusp,
    around 29.5 degrees Scorpio.

    The method of chart comparison emerged as a solution that supports the latest theory for 28 April 2023, combining disparate concepts - modern programs can place one chart within another, and that is how the New Mars was discovered.

    The falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 could be related to the New Mars of I.94 for 27 April 2023, and the 2 February 2023 Venus-Moon-South Node Grand Trine on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac with X.17.

    It serves to illuminate key 'Fall of Babylon' phrases from Revelation.

    The 2 February Grand Trine was the Cup Venus (Mystery Babylon) mixed for herself: the Cupbearer was where the Moon resided then, which was Cancer around 7 degrees, with Pallas around 11.5 degrees.

    'In the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Mix for her double'

    The double mixing manifested as the two Venusian Pediments with the Neptune lunar trine (and Pediment) 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST, the esoteric blending of the concepts of Divine Vengeance and Human Remorse: the Moon had returned to the Cancer
    constellation, around 26.5 degrees, with Pallas around 27.75 degrees - however there is also Mars (16 degrees 48 minutes), which is a new feature not present in the 2 February 2023 Cupbearer case, since it is the 'New Mars for vengeance and remorse' from
    I.94.

    So the ancient phrasing more precisely portends,

    'Using the Cupbearer from the Cup she mixed for herself,
    Have a double-mixing that involves her'

    The astral mechanics complied, producing the appropriate Triple Pediment during the eventual fateful lunar return to Cancer.

    There is a single Cup to be given to Venus later, as described via an aftermath lunar sextile.

    Another hint was in X.17 where matron Juno as Labor Queen sees her daughter Venus pale from nostalgia over the Lestonnac Grand Trine of 2 February 2023, suggesting the Juno-Venus conjunct of 21 March 2023 at the Node, coinciding with a New Moon.
    Opposing the South Node with Juno, while the Sun and Moon unite, is projected as triggering Venus to reminisce about the glory of her day-long Grand Trine, viewed as pale with regret by her mythical mother Juno.

    So the falsifying Cupbearer of VI.89 referred to the 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST perplexity of III.3 with the Venusian Double-Mixed Pediment, as technically failing to reproduce the 2 February 2023 lunar constellation conditions, because
    carrying out that order required the addition of the New Mars. Once that stage has been completed, the Chalice Grand Trine can become activated, as explained for the 28 April 2023 9:52 pm CEST condition, given to Venus by a subsequent lunar aspect.

    The Moon at the critical time will be close to 18.5 degrees Leo, with Lilith and Fortune united around 12.25 degrees Leo, which could be subjected to encoding.
    Saturnin Chalice D'Or At Great Mercury For A Pious Fifth & Lorraine
    [1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT]

    The journey to the cataclysmic onset has had several signposts, and our collective progression appears well beyond half-way there. The precursors have been extensive, essentially comprising a concise forecasted summary of major news events, most
    recently with the 18 April 2023 parking structure collapse in lower Manhattan for II.65.

    The Triple Pediment in the Geneva chart 27 April 2023 1:40 am CEST presented the esoteric double-mixing during a Neptune lunar trine (III.3 perplexity), which corresponded with the lunar constellation Cupbearer from 2 February 2023 being
    falsified by Mars augmentation (I.94, VI.89), manifesting as the marvelous case from II.92. The Saturn-Venus-Vertex Pediment form was previously spotlighted 17 March 2023 for I.54, and the 'Paternal love vexed' in VI.89, confirmed by 'wasps and flies'
    for Saint Narcissus with the 18 March feast.

    The final stage to usher in the catastrophe requires further time from 27 April to reset towards the horrific day of terror itself demonstrating the genuine foreseen conditions, while still somewhat close to the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse.

    The 1 May 2023 date is obvious, from the return of the Mercury solar conjunct from early January 2023, which attended the Brasilia insurrection, as a karmic spawn of the 6 January 2021 US Capitol riot: thus the reference in X.79 is to the 'Great
    Mercury' linking both the flowering of Hercules' lies in Brazil, and the subsequent divine retribution timed to recall the copy-cat offensive behavior.

    The hagiological research for 1 May brought several new notions for the prophetic hints. The Lombardy reference from V.42 and VI.16 seems for Pope Saint Pius V, born 17 January 1504 in Bosco, Lombardy: this also could explain the fateful 'Fifth'
    from II.88 and X.27. Also having the 1 May feast, with a Gaul association for the trembling in X.58, is Saint Eutropius, a missionary who became first Bishop of Saintes - his skull was crushed circa 250. A consecrated virgin martyr of the same era, under
    the Decius persecution, Saint Sophia of Fermo also honored 1 May could be the virgin of VIII.80. For the accompanying widow, there is Saint Grata of Bergamo (d. 307), a widowed laywoman who arranged burials for martyrs - her name also suggests Ile de
    Graye from V.16, with the Frankincense metaphor implying a coinciding saint of Smyrna. Saint Andeolus (also with 1 May feast) was originally from Smyrna, but was sent to France where he was martyred in 208.

    The Lorraine reference in IX.50, X.18 and X.50 appears to unexpectedly indicate Saint Augustin Schoffler (1822-1851), born in Mittelbronn, Lorraine province - this provides May First again.

    The contrast of Lorraine with Vendome suggests a further date for the latter: the column erected at Place Vendome to celebrate Napoleon's 1805 victories in Germany was modeled after the Trajan column (with a triumphant imperial figure at the top)
    dedicated 113 AD commemorating the Dacia victory; bronze was used from confiscated enemy cannons, with the column inaugurated 15 August 1810. A revolutionary regime called the Commune ruled briefly (March to May) in 1871, deciding 12 April to destroy the
    Vendome Column as a symbolic gesture against the Napoleonic era: this was carried out 16 May 1871, toppled by sawing at the base. However the culture was turning towards Napoleon's nephew, and a new French government replacing the Commune decided to
    repair the Vendome Column, which was completed 28 December 1875. This destruction and restoration of the Vendome Column appears reflected in X.18 line 2 -

    Le haut mis bas, et la bas mis en haut

    The high put low, and the low set back into its height

    The phrasing 'Saturne d'or' from IX.44 has been enigmatic, since it should mean Saturn with or from gold, which was presumed to concern a solar aspect or the recent eclipse: however the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha surprisingly complies Bertha
    was married to Saint Gundebert of Gumber, who went into an Irish monastery; she joined the Benedictine Order as a nun, becoming foundress and abbess of the convent at Avenay, Chalon-sur-Marne, France. Bertha was murdered by her in-laws in 685, after
    charitably distributing her late husband's estate, and is thus considered a martyr: she is called Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, Quebec, Canada - so the "d'Or" hint from IX.44 could be for her May First feast, rather than any solar aspect for Saturn.

    Another intriguing saintly reference is from the final line of II.51, where several of the same specific sect are slain: this likely infers the 4 May feast for Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in 1535. This
    juxtaposed against the ancient lady falling from her exalted place could infer esoteric timing for the Fall of Babylon (meaning Venus).

    For 1 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    7:30 pm - Venus lunar square (23 degrees 29 minutes);

    8:20 pm - Ceres lunar conjunct (23 degrees 54 minutes);

    9:40 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex - this should be the critical time for cataclysmic onset -

    << 1 May 2023 9:40 pm CEST / 3:40 pm EDT / 12:40 pm PDT >>

    The chart depicts the Moon and Ceres united, in rough opposition to Neptune, thereby recreating together the two conditions derived from the 5 and 15 July 2021 precedents. The lunar interval for Venus is limited to under an hour, curtailed by the
    Ceres lunar conjunct, which makes the Ceres-Moon union appear to be squaring off against Venus in tandem - this could be a factor in the X.28 debasement.

    The critical moment finds Fortune very near the Vertex; and Juno is at the Descendant local to Geneva, with Venus next to fall at the Ecliptic.

    The Mercury solar conjunct takes place 2 May 2023 1:21 am CEST, with Vesta remaining nearby, still not available for astronomical viewing due to solar proximity, as foretold in V.65.

    *

    'An Accident -
    An Accident -
    An Accident -

    Will Happen!'

    {Transcription of reversed lead vocal from "Helter Skelter"}
    The song "Baby You're A Rich Man" had a subtle reference to Brian Epstein suggested by vocal mangling of the lyrical phrase "You're a rich man too" in the coda, with the seeming intention of a guileless tribute; the Christian subtext was evident in
    the reverse-phased instrumental aurally shocking effects, subliminally recalling Lucifer offering various temptations for Jesus - before the first vocal is sung, there is a lengthy, briskly-played opening musical passage with the cadence of meandering
    speech.

    * False Rapport With Venus, As Bookbinder Found Under The Balance *

    Extending further in the Geneva Vigil to the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine 2 May 2023 9:36 pm CEST [3:36 pm EDT/ 12:36 pm PDT], there is another feast which could prove pivotal: Saint Wiborada was born to Swabian nobility, and when her
    brother Hatto entered the Saint Magnus monastery, to become priest and provost, she entered Saint Gall's monastery, becoming a Benedictine nun, working as a bookbinder. Wiborada withdrew to her cell as an anchoress and visionary, issuing a warning about
    an impending Magyar invasion that allowed the occupants of both monasteries to escape; she remained in her cell however, axed to death by the invaders. She is depicted holding both a book and an axe.

    There may be deliberate confusion of Saint Gall with Gaul in X.58; the nun-librarian identity may be hinted by the Bible-reader in V.83.

    Wiborada was the first woman formally canonized by the Vatican, in 1047 by Pope Clement II.

    The Saturnin Grand Trine cases on 2 and 3 May 2023 put the Moon in Libra, which could ultimately explain the Balance reference of V.42 - at seven degrees Libra for the 2 May 2023 case, with the constellation otherwise empty.

    As for the false rapport with Venus from X.28, that could be a combination of the sustained square aspect with Ceres, along with Fortune less than three degrees from Venus in its own square with Neptune:

    Ceres 23 degrees 52 minutes Virgo;
    Venus 24 degrees 42 minutes Gemini /
    Fortune 27 degrees 27 minutes Gemini;
    Neptune 26 degrees 47 minutes Pisces.

    This broken and imperfect dual-square correspondence with the inexact Ceres-Neptune opposition may constitute the Venusian 'false rapport,' in absence of contrary guidance, arriving at what seems to be an extremely advanced stage for the
    cataclysmic timing from the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse, as the newly-joined King of I.52.
    Since the final line of II.51 likely provides the 4 May date via commemoration for the Eighteen Carthusian Monk martyrs, line 3 where presumably Venus as the ancient lady falls from some nebulous 'high place' should be close-by in 2023, clarifying a
    key point.

    The seer actually indicated a few degrees into Scorpio for the Moon by specifying 'Under the Balance' in V.42, which is the case for the Saturn-Vertex-South Node Grand Trine on 4 May 2023. Although Saturn and the South Node will then diverge in their
    trine by about two degrees, this complies with the betraying Great Urn of X.50, as a degrading base for the triad.

    The 5 May scheduling returns to an earlier theory for the Lorraine of X.50 as the feast of Saint Hilary of Arles, zealous bishop, born circa 400 in Lorraine (d. 449, natural causes).

    Also having the 5 May feast is Saint Geruntius, Bishop of Milan, Lombardy, from 465 to his death in 470 (V.42, VI.16).

    The trembling Gaul of X.58 could refer to Saint Britto, Bishop of Trier in Belgic Gaul from 374, a major church leader in the region again honored May Fifth.

    The quirk of the Scorpio lunar presence in the 4 May 2023 9:29 pm CEST [3:29 pm EDT / 12:29 pm PDT] iteration of the Saturnin Grand Trine is its close proximity to near the South Node, so they appear as one merged point: Moon 2 degrees 43 minutes;
    South Node 3 degrees 38 minutes Scorpio. This strong augmentation of the South Node highlights the substantial presence of Saturn, yet also how the optimal Vertex is nearest Venus, which is technically uninvolved.

    The false rapport with Venus could be incorrectly perceiving a Grand Trine that substitutes Venus for the Vertex. Venus at 26 degrees 55 minutes Gemini is at an advanced, low-ranked position; the relevant Vertex position is around 4 degrees 49
    minutes Cancer, a 'high place' in the next sign. Venus being dropped from the high place, and a false rapport being established with her (as being part of the Grand Trine), could both suggest an initial improper astrological assessment including Venus in
    the Saturnin Lunar Grand Trine, to be later rectified by acknowledging the Vertex as the actual participant.

    So Venus misses out on again being in a Grand Trine with both the South Node and the Moon, as on 2 February 2023, and is given the Cup 4 May 2023 9:29 pm CEST by being so close to a pivotal conceptual point there would be some confusion, ultimately
    resolved by Venus being officially demoted out of the Grand Trine altogether.

    An example of how the French seer comments on interpretations is in III.34 -

    Quand le defaut du Soleil lors sera
    Sur le plein jour le monstre sera vu
    Tout autrement on l'interpretera
    Cherte n'a garde: nul n'y aura pourvu

    When the flaw upon the Sun will occur,
    In plain daylight the monster will be seen;
    A quite diff'rent reading widely preferred -
    Worth Unfortressed: a fate no one'd foreseen

    In the third line it was predicted during fulfillment there would be a prevalent misinterpretation, which occurred with the first half where a Giant Sunspot is clearly what would be visible in broad daylight, when it manifested in late March 2000.

    Just as written, it was impossible for me to dissuade the majority expressing an opinion from a consensus that 'defaut du Soleil' had to mean a solar eclipse, despite that destroying the associated 'full daylight' concept.

    The tornado activity striking Fort Worth, Texas, on 28 March 2000 was indicated by the 'Worth Unfortressed' wordplay, literally phrased as 'Value Not Guarded.' The same Fort Worth cyclonic event was in I.3, focusing on the feature of glass from
    skyscrapers shattering, so people had to use their coats to shield their eyes.

    Quand la litiere du tourbillon versee
    Et seront faces de leurs manteaux couvers,
    La republique par gens nouveaux vexee;
    Lors blancs et rouges jugeront a l'envers

    When by whirlwind the Litter will be upturned
    And faces will be covered by gown,
    The republic will be vexed by new-folk turn -
    Then whites and reds will judge upside-down

    Cyclonic devastation struck Camilla (meaning 'Litter' in Spanish), Georgia, 14 February 2000, about six weeks before the Forth Worth incident. And of course the US 2000 presidential election resulted in the Florida results being discarded by the
    Supreme Court, in favor of an invocation of the 1877 anti-chaos law: so the 'new people' arriving as a result to vex the republic was the administration inaugurated in 2001, with its dubious legacy eventually including two ill-conceived wars and a
    financial collapse. The stripes on the US flag alternating whites and reds explains that aspect of the final line.
    In my research it was found many stories that fascinated the public during the early Beatles era were misreported: one example was when they visited the British Embassy in Washington, D.C., and the story arose their own countrymen had been abusive,
    even to the point of cutting a lock of Ringo Starr's hair! The actual story was that a young woman was trying not to break curfew, and her date was determined to stay too late - so she found some cuticle scissors, and deliberately performed the
    outrageous act without warning or permission, not to obtain some personal souvenir, but with the intention of being ejected, which proved successful.

    *

    The Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex forming for Geneva 5 May 2023 9:25 pm CEST [3:25 pm EDT / 2:25 pm PDT] has the Saturn trine with the South Node over two degrees in variance, potentially rendering the Large Urn of X.50. The Moon
    will still be under the Balance constellation, in Scorpio with the South Node, although separated from the previous iteration, with the Moon reaching 16 degrees.

    For 5 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    5:41 am - Venus in Gemini sextile Jupiter in Aries (27 degrees 18 minutes) - this could be the false rapport with Venus from X.28, since Jupiter represents the Supreme Being whose correspondence with Venus as Mystery Babylon does not appear benign;

    5:34 pm - Vesta and Mercury conjoin at 9 degrees Taurus, perhaps the true flame of Vulcan Hermes engulfing fire goddess Vesta, as a union symbolic of vestal ignition (VI.19);

    7:34 pm - Sun in Taurus opposes Moon in Scorpio (Full Moon, 14 degrees 58 minutes), likely match for 'Sol et Lune' from line 3 of V.66; and

    9:25 pm - Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex, as the critical triggering Chalice configuration (VI.89), with Venus at 28 degrees Gemini being the most advanced celestial body, which could be the 'high place' meaning for II.51 (having
    the highest numerical position), as the time for the ancient lady to experience her fall.

    So this is the final instance when the Moon is 'under the Balance (V.42) for the Saturnin Grand Trine including the Vertex, and it is synchronized with an insidious Venusian aspect, the meeting of the two vestals (whose August 2022 opposition figured
    in IV.95), and the plausibly fateful Full Moon.

    One of the final notes Brian Epstein made was a suggestion of concealing the ground-breaking artistic tableau production gracing the cover of The Beatles' masterpiece the Sergeant Pepper album with brown paper.

    * Venus Falls Into Midheaven For Balanced Saturnin Chalice *

    The line from II.51 where Venus as the ancient lady falls from a high place suggests the onset of a Venusian Reign, upon entering a new sign; the associated line hinting at the Eighteen Carthusian Monks martyred for the 4 May feast implies Venus
    progressing into Cancer 7 May 2023.

    This exposed a flaw in the logic regarding the Vertex for V.18, and a new pivotal role was found for the conceptual point.

    The 5 May date coinciding with a Full Moon (V.66) and the Vesta-Mercury union (X.6 and VI.19, after IV.95 opposition in August 2022) warrants the X.50 Lorraine reference for Saint Hilary; the 27 April 2023 date fulfilled esoteric requirements as
    previously explained.

    For Sunday 7 May 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:

    4:25 pm - Venus enters Cancer ('ancient lady falls from high place,' II.51);

    4:35 pm - Venus conjoins Midheaven ('false rapport with Venus renders debasement,' X.28);

    4:55 pm - Midheaven reaches the point where the South Node and Saturn appear as the base of a Balanced Grand Trine (V.42) - this is the critical time,

    << 7 May 2023 4:55 pm CEST / 10:55 am EDT / 7:55 am PDT >>; and

    4:58 pm - Vertex lunar trine ('celebrating the Sacrifice,' V.18).

    Hagiological research indicated the Lombardy of V.42 and VI.16 should be Saint Peter of Pavia, a bishop who died in 735, with the 7 May feast.

    Also for 7 May is widow Saint Flavia Domitilla (VIII.80), a Roman of noble birth who converted, becoming a widow in 96 CE when her husband was martyred, she was subsequently banished to the island of Pandataria.

    In 351 on 7 May the entire city of Jerusalem witnessed the Apparition Of The Holy Cross, with a luminous Cross brighter than the Sun extending several miles between Mount Golgotha and the Mount of Olives - Saint Cyril who had recently become patriarch
    wrote to the emperor about the tremendous sign, which induced many to convert.

    Continuing to 8 May, the feast for Saint Dionysius combines inferences to both Vienne (IX.70) and Gaul (X.58).

    The Ouranos solar conjunct of 9 May 2023 10 pm CEST complies with the VI.70 line about noise and light surpassing The Heavens.

    References to Vendome likely indicate the 16 May date in 2023, for the 1871 toppling of the Vendome Column by the short-lived Commune.

    Since the predictions of this cataclysmic onset are complex and protracted, intertwined with illuminations for the Revelation delivery of a Cup of Divine Wrath, this is not a comprehensive listing: the IX.44 phrasing of 'Saturne d'or' still requires
    acknowledgment of the 1 May feast for Saint Bertha of Val-d'Or, for example.

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