• Re: Getting To 'The Riff Stage' (2/3)

    From Curtis Eagal@21:1/5 to RJKe...@yahoo.com on Mon Jul 25 10:24:10 2022
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    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child' for
    Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to music
    without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have close
    meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as any
    other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own songs,
    calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-gritty.
    '

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition existed
    circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible, because
    their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate. Whoever
    attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance is an
    attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead of "Not
    A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems to be
    in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it was
    for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros, hooks,
    solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking forward
    to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the analysis I
    explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar style: the
    instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously overwhelmed by
    whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a least one
    song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"; the
    whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited, agreeing it
    sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical reaction,
    but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has been
    properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were adapted
    to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather than
    lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George were
    schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a nun's
    habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955 period
    was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact place the
    incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as spontaneous. In
    the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent than
    any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "Not A
    Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time in a
    creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation of "
    She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as well,
    and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "Good
    Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside from
    more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you heard it
    backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded like in
    the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events were
    given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that could
    be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest without
    being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you," "Do
    you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him personally,
    towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school friend
    who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived with a
    samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent here
    knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he was a
    reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown to
    humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-the-
    dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the first time
    that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was the
    first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to dramatize
    in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the foremost
    amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation
    LOL, the Disney 'Haunted Mansion' ride was carried through on 'Doom Buggies'. Manson would have liked that name. But the timing of the Tate murders and opening of the Disney ride was as you say a coincidence. Manson & his followers were hanging out in
    secluded spots IIRC...

    I left out the sequence of what happened after Gary Hinman was murdered on 27 July 1969 (this was reported on a Dateline episode). With complete nonchalance, Beausoleil not only used Hinman's car, but was found asleep in it and arrested 6 August;
    because they had tried to implicate the Black Panthers at the scene, Manson hatched the plan that by having a high profile murder with similar indications would make the police believe Beausoleil was falsely accused and release him. The Tate murders
    were not immediately connected to Hinman, so Manson went with them for the La Bianca killings to try again, with the result that the police then connected the Tate and La Bianca murders, with Beausoleil still in jail.

    The "Abbey Road" cover image photo was taken the morning of 8 August, briefly stopping traffic to no fanfare. It was only after the day ended with midnight in Los Angeles that the kill squad advanced to do, as they announced to their victims, 'the devil'
    s business.'

    Manson was infuriated with Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son who was a music executive; he did not know who was inhabiting the house subsequent to Melcher, but thought they would be high-profile victims. The scene was littered with wallets stolen from
    black men. The Manson cult had the delusion that black people would win a race war, but be unable to govern without their own bomb-sheltered white help, a sort of 'Wakanda Never' attitude. While Manson made a series of apparent miscalculations, the
    malevolency that had taken control of him had a cold unwavering sense of being gratified.

    Following the Moon-Nephilim tangent for "Helter Skelter" yielded something unexpected between the mono and stereo versions, which were known to end differently.

    Firstly, the high-pitched guitar after the deeper-toned rambling riff only has the sequence given in the second iteration: the first time it is simpler (no "Silv'ry" invocation) -

    'FROM

    The MOON!'

    The third time there is no screeching guitar part following the riff, only the deep bass tone, suggesting

    '- FROM -...'

    But instead of finishing the thought, a similar note follows implying,

    'THE -'

    This provides the proper grammatic article to introduce the circular repetition of the riff as 'an official thing' ('THE - Return Of The Nephilim, Return of the...'). As this is repeating into the coda, there are some oddly intrusive guitar notes
    descending (after the vocalization, "Yes, she is"), sounding like

    'When -
    The -
    Moon -
    Turns -
    Blue'


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    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened to his
    family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will lead to
    the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child' for
    Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to
    music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have
    close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as any
    other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own songs,
    calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-gritty.
    '

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible, because
    their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate. Whoever
    attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance is an
    attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead of "
    Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems to
    be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it was
    for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros, hooks,
    solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking forward
    to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the analysis I
    explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar style:
    the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously overwhelmed
    by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a least
    one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"; the
    whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited, agreeing it
    sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical reaction,
    but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has
    been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were adapted
    to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather than
    lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George were
    schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a nun'
    s habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955 period
    was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact place
    the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as spontaneous.
    In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent than
    any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "Not
    A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time in a
    creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation of "
    She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as well,
    and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "Good
    Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside from
    more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you heard
    it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded like
    in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events were
    given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that
    could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest without
    being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you," "Do
    you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him personally,
    towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school friend
    who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived with a
    samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent
    here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he was a
    reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown to
    humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-the-
    dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the first
    time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was the
    first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to dramatize
    in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the foremost
    amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation
    LOL, the Disney 'Haunted Mansion' ride was carried through on 'Doom Buggies'. Manson would have liked that name. But the timing of the Tate murders and opening of the Disney ride was as you say a coincidence. Manson & his followers were hanging out
    in secluded spots IIRC...
    I left out the sequence of what happened after Gary Hinman was murdered on 27 July 1969 (this was reported on a Dateline episode). With complete nonchalance, Beausoleil not only used Hinman's car, but was found asleep in it and arrested 6 August;
    because they had tried to implicate the Black Panthers at the scene, Manson hatched the plan that by having a high profile murder with similar indications would make the police believe Beausoleil was falsely accused and release him. The Tate murders were
    not immediately connected to Hinman, so Manson went with them for the La Bianca killings to try again, with the result that the police then connected the Tate and La Bianca murders, with Beausoleil still in jail.

    The "Abbey Road" cover image photo was taken the morning of 8 August, briefly stopping traffic to no fanfare. It was only after the day ended with midnight in Los Angeles that the kill squad advanced to do, as they announced to their victims, 'the
    devil's business.'

    Manson was infuriated with Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son who was a music executive; he did not know who was inhabiting the house subsequent to Melcher, but thought they would be high-profile victims. The scene was littered with wallets stolen from
    black men. The Manson cult had the delusion that black people would win a race war, but be unable to govern without their own bomb-sheltered white help, a sort of 'Wakanda Never' attitude. While Manson made a series of apparent miscalculations, the
    malevolency that had taken control of him had a cold unwavering sense of being gratified.


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    I've seen the interviews where he discusses his songs, both music and lyrics, and he gave the impression of treating it all in an 'off the cuff' manner. He never got deep into why he did what.
    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened to
    his family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will lead
    to the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child' for
    Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to
    music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have
    close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as
    any other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own songs,
    calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-
    gritty.'

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible, because
    their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate. Whoever
    attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance is
    an attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead of "
    Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems
    to be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it
    was for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros,
    hooks, solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking
    forward to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the
    analysis I explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar style:
    the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously overwhelmed
    by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a least
    one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"; the
    whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited, agreeing
    it sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical reaction,
    but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has
    been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were
    adapted to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather
    than lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George
    were schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a
    nun's habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955
    period was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact place
    the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as spontaneous.
    In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent
    than any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "
    Not A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time
    in a creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation
    of "She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as
    well, and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "Good
    Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside from
    more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you heard
    it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded like
    in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events were
    given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that
    could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest
    without being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you," "
    Do you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him personally,
    towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school
    friend who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived with
    a samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent
    here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he was
    a reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown to
    humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-
    the-dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the first
    time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was
    the first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to
    dramatize in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the foremost
    amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation
    LOL, the Disney 'Haunted Mansion' ride was carried through on 'Doom Buggies'. Manson would have liked that name. But the timing of the Tate murders and opening of the Disney ride was as you say a coincidence. Manson & his followers were hanging out
    in secluded spots IIRC...
    I left out the sequence of what happened after Gary Hinman was murdered on 27 July 1969 (this was reported on a Dateline episode). With complete nonchalance, Beausoleil not only used Hinman's car, but was found asleep in it and arrested 6 August;
    because they had tried to implicate the Black Panthers at the scene, Manson hatched the plan that by having a high profile murder with similar indications would make the police believe Beausoleil was falsely accused and release him. The Tate murders were
    not immediately connected to Hinman, so Manson went with them for the La Bianca killings to try again, with the result that the police then connected the Tate and La Bianca murders, with Beausoleil still in jail.

    The "Abbey Road" cover image photo was taken the morning of 8 August, briefly stopping traffic to no fanfare. It was only after the day ended with midnight in Los Angeles that the kill squad advanced to do, as they announced to their victims, 'the
    devil's business.'


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    John himself being born when Saturn was 'Of The Universe' could reflect awareness of the Great Conjunction with Jupiter (around 13 degrees Taurus) concurrent with the 9 October 1940 date (a triple occurrence, as
    in 1980 and 6 BCE). Perhaps an astrologer had generated the charts and mentioned something like the lyrics, when describing the influence of Saturn on his immediate family. It could also imply Mary having the more celestial role in the Holy Family, with
    Joseph as the human stand-in for His real Father.

    The lyric "And you know what that's worth" could mean an auspicious natal chart does not guide every moment of life.
    That's interesting, but is it coincidence or was John personally researching these things before inserting them in his lyrics?

    I've seen the interviews where he discusses his songs, both music and lyrics, and he gave the impression of treating it all in an 'off the cuff' manner. He never got deep into why he did what.
    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened to
    his family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will lead
    to the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child'
    for Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to
    music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have
    close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as
    any other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own
    songs, calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-
    gritty.'

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible,
    because their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate.
    Whoever attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance
    is an attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead
    of "Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems
    to be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it
    was for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros,
    hooks, solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking
    forward to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the
    analysis I explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar
    style: the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously
    overwhelmed by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a
    least one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da";
    the whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited,
    agreeing it sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical
    reaction, but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has
    been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were
    adapted to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather
    than lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George
    were schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a
    nun's habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955
    period was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact
    place the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as
    spontaneous. In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent
    than any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "
    Not A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time
    in a creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation
    of "She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as
    well, and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "
    Good Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside
    from more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you
    heard it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded
    like in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.


    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events
    were given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that
    could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest
    without being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you,"
    "Do you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him
    personally, towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school
    friend who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived
    with a samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent
    here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he
    was a reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown
    to humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-
    the-dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the
    first time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was
    the first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to
    dramatize in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the
    foremost amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation

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    John himself being born when Saturn was 'Of The Universe' could reflect awareness of the Great Conjunction with Jupiter (around 13 degrees Taurus) concurrent with the 9 October 1940 date (a triple occurrence,
    as in 1980 and 6 BCE). Perhaps an astrologer had generated the charts and mentioned something like the lyrics, when describing the influence of Saturn on his immediate family. It could also imply Mary having the more celestial role in the Holy Family,
    with Joseph as the human stand-in for His real Father.

    The lyric "And you know what that's worth" could mean an auspicious natal chart does not guide every moment of life.
    That's interesting, but is it coincidence or was John personally researching these things before inserting them in his lyrics?

    I've seen the interviews where he discusses his songs, both music and lyrics, and he gave the impression of treating it all in an 'off the cuff' manner. He never got deep into why he did what.
    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened
    to his family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will
    lead to the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child'
    for Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond
    to music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics
    have close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good
    as any other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be
    like hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own
    songs, calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-
    gritty.'

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together,
    a 'Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix.
    Harrison had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible,
    because their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate.
    Whoever attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance
    is an attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead
    of "Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion
    seems to be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing
    it was for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros,
    hooks, solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking
    forward to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the
    analysis I explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar
    style: the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously
    overwhelmed by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a
    least one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da";
    the whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited,
    agreeing it sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical
    reaction, but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which
    has been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were
    adapted to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather
    than lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George
    were schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled
    a nun's habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955
    period was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact
    place the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on
    a favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as
    spontaneous. In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more
    prominent than any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented
    by acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in
    the relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation,
    "Not A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first
    time in a creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic
    presentation of "She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the
    opening as well, and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "
    Good Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside
    from more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you
    heard it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded
    like in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that
    track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events
    were given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions
    that could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on
    the controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest
    without being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you,
    " "Do you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him
    personally, towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school
    friend who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived
    with a samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim
    contingent here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he
    was a reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown
    to humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-
    in-the-dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the
    first time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it
    was the first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to
    dramatize in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the
    foremost amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.


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    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened to his
    family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will lead to
    the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child' for
    Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to
    music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have
    close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as any
    other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own songs,
    calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-gritty.
    '

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible, because
    their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate. Whoever
    attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance is an
    attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead of "
    Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems to
    be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it was
    for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros, hooks,
    solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking forward
    to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the analysis I
    explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar style:
    the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously overwhelmed
    by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a least
    one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"; the
    whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited, agreeing it
    sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical reaction,
    but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has
    been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were adapted
    to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather than
    lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George were
    schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a nun'
    s habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955 period
    was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact place
    the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as spontaneous.
    In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent than
    any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "Not
    A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time in a
    creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation of "
    She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as well,
    and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "Good
    Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside from
    more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you heard
    it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded like
    in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events were
    given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that
    could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest without
    being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you," "Do
    you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him personally,
    towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school friend
    who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived with a
    samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent
    here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he was a
    reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown to
    humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-the-
    dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the first
    time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was the
    first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to dramatize
    in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the foremost
    amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation
    LOL, the Disney 'Haunted Mansion' ride was carried through on 'Doom Buggies'. Manson would have liked that name. But the timing of the Tate murders and opening of the Disney ride was as you say a coincidence. Manson & his followers were hanging out
    in secluded spots IIRC...
    I left out the sequence of what happened after Gary Hinman was murdered on 27 July 1969 (this was reported on a Dateline episode). With complete nonchalance, Beausoleil not only used Hinman's car, but was found asleep in it and arrested 6 August;
    because they had tried to implicate the Black Panthers at the scene, Manson hatched the plan that by having a high profile murder with similar indications would make the police believe Beausoleil was falsely accused and release him. The Tate murders were
    not immediately connected to Hinman, so Manson went with them for the La Bianca killings to try again, with the result that the police then connected the Tate and La Bianca murders, with Beausoleil still in jail.

    The "Abbey Road" cover image photo was taken the morning of 8 August, briefly stopping traffic to no fanfare. It was only after the day ended with midnight in Los Angeles that the kill squad advanced to do, as they announced to their victims, 'the
    devil's business.'

    Manson was infuriated with Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son who was a music executive; he did not know who was inhabiting the house subsequent to Melcher, but thought they would be high-profile victims. The scene was littered with wallets stolen from
    black men. The Manson cult had the delusion that black people would win a race war, but be unable to govern without their own bomb-sheltered white help, a sort of 'Wakanda Never' attitude. While Manson made a series of apparent miscalculations, the
    malevolency that had taken control of him had a cold unwavering sense of being gratified.


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    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened to his
    family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will lead to
    the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child' for
    Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to
    music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have
    close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as any
    other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own songs,
    calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-gritty.
    '

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible, because
    their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate. Whoever
    attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance is an
    attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead of "
    Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems to
    be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it was
    for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros, hooks,
    solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking forward
    to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the analysis I
    explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar style:
    the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously overwhelmed
    by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a least
    one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"; the
    whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited, agreeing it
    sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical reaction,
    but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has
    been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were adapted
    to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather than
    lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George were
    schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a nun'
    s habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955 period
    was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact place
    the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as spontaneous.
    In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent than
    any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "Not
    A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time in a
    creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation of "
    She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as well,
    and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "Good
    Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside from
    more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you heard
    it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded like
    in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events were
    given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that
    could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest without
    being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you," "Do
    you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him personally,
    towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school friend
    who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived with a
    samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent
    here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he was a
    reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown to
    humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-the-
    dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the first
    time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was the
    first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to dramatize
    in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the foremost
    amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation
    LOL, the Disney 'Haunted Mansion' ride was carried through on 'Doom Buggies'. Manson would have liked that name. But the timing of the Tate murders and opening of the Disney ride was as you say a coincidence. Manson & his followers were hanging out
    in secluded spots IIRC...
    I left out the sequence of what happened after Gary Hinman was murdered on 27 July 1969 (this was reported on a Dateline episode). With complete nonchalance, Beausoleil not only used Hinman's car, but was found asleep in it and arrested 6 August;
    because they had tried to implicate the Black Panthers at the scene, Manson hatched the plan that by having a high profile murder with similar indications would make the police believe Beausoleil was falsely accused and release him. The Tate murders were
    not immediately connected to Hinman, so Manson went with them for the La Bianca killings to try again, with the result that the police then connected the Tate and La Bianca murders, with Beausoleil still in jail.

    The "Abbey Road" cover image photo was taken the morning of 8 August, briefly stopping traffic to no fanfare. It was only after the day ended with midnight in Los Angeles that the kill squad advanced to do, as they announced to their victims, 'the
    devil's business.'

    Manson was infuriated with Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son who was a music executive; he did not know who was inhabiting the house subsequent to Melcher, but thought they would be high-profile victims. The scene was littered with wallets stolen from
    black men. The Manson cult had the delusion that black people would win a race war, but be unable to govern without their own bomb-sheltered white help, a sort of 'Wakanda Never' attitude. While Manson made a series of apparent miscalculations, the
    malevolency that had taken control of him had a cold unwavering sense of being gratified.


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    I've seen the interviews where he discusses his songs, both music and lyrics, and he gave the impression of treating it all in an 'off the cuff' manner. He never got deep into why he did what.
    John tried to reach Julia with a seance after her death, there was a lot of interest in astrology during the 'Sixties, so it is not inconceivable that he would enlist an astrologer to piece together what happened to
    his family.

    I spared everyone the complete listing of the natal charts, and distilled it down to the one thing he would have likely been told, regarding the positioning of Saturn - a further discussion is possible, but will lead
    to the same conclusion.

    As in the excerpted interview, John said he was 'being myself' on the White Album, so including personal information would explain that statement. The song "Julia" is clearly to his late mother, using 'Ocean Child' for
    Yoko Ono.

    But anyone feeling they could understand his music without doing as he advised, breaking down one's mental barriers to actually experience the sound-crafting he had achieved, allowing the instrumental factor to
    subliminally bridge the lyrical ideas into new clarity, could not attain that level of appreciation even with a series of explanations. It was the sort of cluelessness that frustrated him, because he could not walk people through his thought processes:
    to do so would be an admission his entire effort was a failure nobody could get on their own. But he and his group were repackaging the Christian story in an audio format nobody was expecting, or could easily recognize. He realized the job was done well
    enough to put the responsibility elsewhere.

    That Lennon was not 'getting deep' about the songs should not be the take-away, but that he was suggesting we should. Sure, "It's Only Love" could be considered a weak effort from his point of view; but we respond to
    music without analyzing its subconscious import. The musical component of "Every Little Thing" resurfaced in the Get Back sessions, not because its message needed a reprise, but because of its haunting iconic quality. Sometimes the music and lyrics have
    close meanings, as with "The Inner Light," about the powerful Aura of Christ, with the coda music suggesting this illumination came
    e: John
    'From Within...
    From Within...
    From Within...'
    Did John want his fans to take the songs seriously? I'm not sure. Didn't he tell the homeless guy (I'm thinking of that footage in the "'Imagine: John Lennon' film ) that one interpretation of the lyrics was as good as
    any other? Also I feel that John would have been scornful of any serious musical analysis. Remember the reference to 'exotic birds'? I think he wanted people to like his music. Or at least buy it. But not take it too seriously.
    They were very interested in what critics would say at first, seeming to be amused by how futile it would be to apply the mathematical observations of musicology to what they produced. You are referring to the 'Aeolian
    cadences' remark, which is gibberish to those untrained in the theory, so he was unaware whether it applied to his song thus his ridicule is irrelevant. Their level at "Not A Second Time" was interjecting 'Ave and Hallelu- yeah' into an empty measure,
    most critics wouldn't notice that. Listening to a song for harmonic progression is different from hearing a guitar solo as an instrumental voice.

    The group collectively said they knew what they meant by their songs, eventually people would figure it out, but things take on millions of meanings in an incomprehensible process, and to elaborate further would be like
    hearing it their way for you. Lennon blurted out the 'subliminal' answer when Tom Snyder asked how such innocuous stuff as Beatles music could have so powerful a cultural effect.

    George Harrison saying they had thrown boulders into the waters and were waiting for a tsunami-like ripple does not seem like a non-serious expectation. Lennon chided the others for saying good things about their own songs,
    calling them 'big-headed' about the tunes, prompting Harrison to protest that the interviewer merely asked if they liked their own songs. The results John wanted would not be forthcoming, and he soured on the artifice towards getting to the 'nitty-
    gritty.'

    John seemed to believe in the power of rock and roll through The Beatles to advance Christ's real agenda, until the project was completed without the conscious acknowledgment: it was the message in the music together, a '
    Remembrance of Him,' that could change things with avant-garde aural communication. But with transference the reaction was 'Who Needs HIM When We Have YOU?!' So John lashed out at Paul for 'granny music,' faced with a problem he could not fix. Harrison
    had said the group was always about various genres, not one type of music - it is the message that mattered, the mode was to create appeal.

    Another story that has been told repeatedly on Carter's radio show is how Jesus attended a Beatles recording session.

    McCartney had a visitor at his home claiming to be Jesus, Paul invited him to the session for "Fixing A Hole" at Regent Studios (not EMI), thinking he was a strung-out hippie. The session progressed to final playback,
    whereupon they wanted the opinion of 'Jesus' - but he was not seen again, by anyone, supposedly vanished from the studio without exiting. That was 9 February 1967, three years after their Ed Sullivan debut (when I first saw them), which was three years
    after their Cavern Club debut (switched from booking jazz bands). A total solar eclipse darkened Europe within a week of the 9 February 1961 Cavern debut.

    John was born during the time of a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, which is extremely rare and signifies major social change - a previous instance was 6 BCE, associated with The Nativity. A similar condition
    existed circa 1980.

    The three dates of the circa 1940 conjunctions would take on significance later.

    August 8, 1940 at 14 degrees 27 minutes Taurus: 8 August 1969 was the date the "Abbey Road" cover photograph was taken.

    October 20, 1940 at 12 degrees 28 minutes Taurus, both Jupiter and Saturn in retrograde - this was eleven days after the birth of John Lennon: 20 October 1969 was the release date of John and Yoko's "Wedding Album."

    February 15, 1941 at 9 degrees 7 minutes Taurus: February 15, 1964 was the date The Beatles reached number one in the US album charts for "Meet The Beatles."

    There is no omniscient personage beyond the Godhead, servants would play roles with relatively limited knowledge. Shakespeare warned us in "Macbeth" that outlandish prophecies should not be dismissed as impossible, because
    their equally outlandish fulfillments are inevitable if the augury is genuine.

    Any Power that can orchestrate human events on a celestial schedule could also add into the mix foretelling whatever reactions are to manifest, in a pre-Judgment that is both perfectly fair and absolutely accurate. Whoever
    attains a higher level of insight would be consequently more accountable than when they were uninformed.

    The resistance to the Beatle-Christ realization is motivated by the subconscious knowledge it would manifest The Great Mourning that precedes The Uplifting of the Second Coming Messiah, so persisting in that resistance is
    an attempt to stave off Salvation Itself, in favor of Oblivion.
    In my 2011 book "Not Full So Black" from page 100 this particular William Mann review episode is recounted - summarizing excerpts:

    "I can't help having a quiet giggle when straight-faced critics start feeding all sorts of hidden meanings into the stuff we write" was a quote, while Lennon got the song wrong, thinking it was "It Won't Be Long" instead of "
    Not A Second Time." John wavered between insulting Mann with "He uses a whole lot of musical terminology, and he's a twit," and being grateful with "He made us acceptable to intellectuals - it worked, and we were flattered."

    Probably for the song in question John's inspiration was the style of Smokey Robinson. Quoted passage:

    << The Aeolian observation regards a song that is in a major key resolving on the VI chord, the sixth harmonic step from the tonic; it has further been noted the song appears in G Major, while the bridge-like portion seems
    to be in the key of e minor, the vi chord in its minor mode. >>

    There is nothing about the musicology, or lack thereof, that impacts the subliminal import of the song: an Aeolian cadence is merely a categorization based on a specific harmonic progression, which Lennon happened to use
    intuitively. Beyond the vocal twist, there is a piano solo by George Martin that is thematic predicate to the half-speed guitar solo of "A Hard Day's Night" - restatement of similar ideas presented on a different instrument is a completely new experience.


    It was a tremendous feat for producer George Martin to include many double-tracked vocals while still using twin-track mono on their second album. John joked they nearly double-tracked themselves off the record, knowing it
    was for 'spectral' vocal-texture effect. But a quote like "It was just chords, like any other chords" implies it was never the chords, or even the beat, that was the dominant focus: those were part of the rhythm track structure for the intros, outros,
    hooks, solos, and of course riffs.
    'They're just chords, like any other chords,' eh? It's a classic John (in interview mode) type of line.

    But was that his attitude while forming and recording those chords? He'll, no! Otherwise why would there be so much innovation in the band's music?

    John just liked to be irreverent in public
    It is a strange comment from a musician, they had sought out people who knew special chords in the early days. The chords played a significant role in "Things We Said Today": McCartney called it "future nostalgia," looking
    forward to looking back to now, "which quite a good trick. It has interesting chords. It goes C, F, which is all normal, the normal thing might be going to F minor, but to go to B-flat was quite good. It was a sophisticated little tune." During the
    analysis I explain it is the third phrase of the verses on the lyric "Someday" where the 'interesting chords' appear, before the fourth phrase returns to more familiar territory.

    John was nicknamed 'The Weird Beatle' by the press, undercutting pretentiousness was his hallmark. When a fellow art student was getting praise for abstract art, John completed a roomful of canvases overnight in a similar style:
    the instructor, thinking it was the work of his pet pupil, immediately praised the new artwork - until learning the identity of the actual artist. So even if an academic type were correct, Lennon would tend to challenge them. He was obviously overwhelmed
    by whatever Allen Klein had said about his group.

    In a college auditorium class, a young woman sat next to me and struck up a unsolicited conversation about how much she hated John Lennon. He was a polarizing figure. But I think even people who actively dislike him have a least
    one song by him they absolutely love. People who otherwise are disinterested in The Beatles have told me their exceptions: the altruistic concept of "All You Need Is Love"; the elegiac tune "In My Life"; the danceable rhythm of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"; the
    whimsically macabre nature of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," and so on.

    I had the experience of playing "Day Tripper" while showing my transcriptions to a now-late uncle who would go to Rome for the priesthood - the reaction was typically eyes widening and jaw dropping, which he exhibited, agreeing
    it sounded like what I had written. I have played "Here Comes The Sun" for a blind woman near death, and seen a look of delight on her face. I wish I could privately enlighten everyone in a way that is personal to them, and observe the physical reaction,
    but that is not practical.

    There is a line in "Nobody Told Me" where John sings, "They're starving back in China, so finish what you've got" - I believe that was his way of saying The Beatles put a lot on our plate collectively, very little of which has
    been properly 'consumed' by adequate comprehension. We might presume Lennon also inquired about Ono's natal chart, and knew that their Saturn situations were a perfect match: he might have acknowledged that in his song "Woman" with the line,

    "After all,
    It is written in the stars"
    Who did they turn to for knowledge of chords, if you don't mind my asking? I know that McCartney knew more than Lennon when they met. And supposedly George knew more than Paul in the very beginning.

    I read or heard that John didn't even know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul.
    I was recalling an anecdote about John and Paul traveling to meet such a person, not sure if that story is related to overhearing a drummer who would be used for awhile. John's mother Julia knew banjo chords, so how those were
    adapted to guitar is immaterial: playing by ear, musicians can find the sounds they want, chords are note combinations that have harmonious resonance which can be learnt. In the Get Back film Paul especially can be seen singing the chord letters rather
    than lyrics to guide through the tune.

    McCartney did impress Lennon at their first meeting with knowing how to tune the guitar and playing through songs knowing all the words, but Lennon had to teach himself using a mirror, since Paul was left-handed. Paul and George
    were schoolmates, Harrison was interested in the guitar from an early age: so Paul tried to bring George in because of his instrumental prowess, but Lennon was reluctant at first because of George being so young at the time.

    As his brother said, Paul's interest in the guitar began when his mother died from cancer (31 October 1956), since she had bought him one he had not used. Mary McCartney was a midwife who wore an official uniform that resembled a
    nun's habit.

    Aunt Mimi's husband, George Toogood Smith, died of a liver hemorrhage in early June 1955. George Smith had given John his first harmonica. Lennon gave some of the clothes belonging to his late uncle to Harrison. (The post-1955
    period was when my own family dynamic as one of three siblings was happening.)

    Julia Lennon was the group's first musical director, following their bookings enthusiastically. On 15 July 1958, an off-duty drunk-driving policeman struck her in view of one of John's friends - Lennon was never told the exact place
    the incident occurred, since he was known to pass it often.

    During the Garabandal 'Night of Screams' where the young girl visionaries were being shown something too horrific to describe, John was getting backstage advice on how to play the harmonica from someone who had impressed him on a
    favorite recording.

    Chords are mathematical inventions, The Beatles were interested in sound-crafting, beyond normal instrumentation: the feedback opening of "I Feel Fine" was a discovery they experimented with before trying to pass off as spontaneous.
    In the Get Back film they become intrigued with a small electronic device that could be manipulated to produce various sounds, and George even attempts to play his own nose.

    There is also the piano work, at first done by George Martin, then with McCartney flourishing, as when he provided incredible electric guitar solos for the others. That astonishing array of talent from McCartney is more prominent
    than any special chord. When critics called Sgt Pepper an album by producer Martin, Paul was quick to correct, "It's OUR album."

    In "A Day In The Life," McCartney's section in the middle has the piano, seeming to add some ragtime tension for the hustle-and-bustle of reality - yet it is another subliminal bit, just like the expressive drum fills augmented by
    acoustic guitar. And when that final Chord is struck using three pianos, it still could only have a single-syllable transcription, with the harmonic depth carrying the resonant meaning: an utterable mono-syllabic word used with semantic ambiguity in the
    relevant gospel passage.
    Thanks for all the info.

    Right. Lennon was proud of the feedback in 'I Feel Fine' even in the later interviews, pointing out that the Beatles incorporated feedback into a song before the Who or Hendrix.
    I reconstructed the feedback incident for "The Quality Of Mersey" (July 2020). It is true that Lennon felt most comfortable justifying his guitar work on a stylistic basis, so "You Can't Do That" was his Wilson Pickett impersonation, "
    Not A Second Time" was more Smokey Robinson, heavy metal formulated for "Ticket To Ride." The feedback trick relied on actually triggering a sympathetic reaction creating a synthetic audio loop, very difficult to accidentally use properly the first time
    in a creative context.

    The purpose was to get a certain sound, in that case an 'O' long vowel sound, as part of an intro. The song had some sophistication, beyond the subliminal guitar riff and solo elements, as an urbane contrast to the rustic presentation
    of "She's A Woman" on the flip side of the single. John and Paul had an ongoing contest to compose the A-side of the next hit single, and Lennon prevailed with a tune written around the fast-paced riff. There were cryptic utterances in the opening as
    well, and a single dog barking at the end. So subtly introducing more than people would have expected, with the majority of the iceberg still below the surfacing of consciousness.

    The dissonance and electronic distortion would be developed during the psychedelic era in some yet-unexplored ways, however precise further use of feedback specifically is not certain. Performances like McCartney's of "Taxman" and "Good
    Morning Good Morning" rival or surpass some of Hendrix's best electric guitar work in my opinion, with searing power under masterful control. There are parts of "Yer Blues" and "She's So Heavy" that are played in an extremely complex fashion, aside from
    more 'instrumentally comprehensible' portions.

    Certainly they used the reverse technique more than feedback, abetted by George Martin, who was filmed in an early era explaining how sounds could be manipulated after they were recorded, saying this a cymbal, then asking have you heard
    it backwards. The way Martin edited the end of "Rain" indicated he not only comprehended what the reverse-lyrics were, but how to cleverly alter the message with a slight change of the backwards vocal track. John would mimic what his voice sounded like
    in the coda with that sound texture, while making sure to garble what the message really was into gibberish. Martin had done comedy records, he was familiar with sound effects as well as orchestral scoring.

    The participation of Martin was crucial to "Strawberry Fields Forever," combining two takes in different keys and tempos, by finding they had a convergence point with the speed changed on each. There are reversed cymbals on that track.

    The "Can You Take Me Back" brief song fragment bridging "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" has a distinctly Native American sound. During the Apple era, there was someone tasked with casting the I Ching for important decisions; events were
    given surreal scheduled times like 5:16, seemingly derived from astrology.

    Looking at the triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn commencing past three weeks after Lennon's assassination, using the same method of recognizing significant dates, it functions as a review of his particular specific decisions that
    could be perceived negatively. This sequence began 31 December 1980, which in 1970 was the date Paul McCartney would file to legally dissolve The Beatles, since Lennon would not go public with his decision to end the group. These coincidences are on the
    controversial side, recalling dates from his life where others might have a problem, with nothing genuinely negative from him to merit that feeling.

    The second was on 4 March 1981, which in 1966 was the date the London Evening Standard article by Maureen Cleave was released, which stirred opposite controversies on either side of the Atlantic, because John was relentlessly honest
    without being explicitly demonstrative about the subliminal transference issue.

    The third union of Jupiter and Saturn in that cycle was on 24 July 1981, which in 1967 was the date of publication for an
    advertisement in The London Times where The Beatles added their names to a list denouncing cannabis prohibition.

    https://www.beatlesbible.com/1967/07/24/the-beatles-call-for-the-legalisation-of-marijuana/

    As for the lyrics of "Helter Skelter" implying the Moon-Stowaway theme, "miles above you" is only literally true in an outer space context, and the role-playing for this character may come from 'prior experience.' "Will you, won't you," "
    Do you don't you want me to love you," "Tell me, Tell me, Tell me the Answer": this is a binary thinker, a narcissist with a huge ego seeking to obsessively attach to a demagogic leader (or several), insisting to know who is for or against him personally,
    towards a total purge of detractors. McCartney role-plays the hybrid-demonic spirit banished to the barren Moon (yet rapidly returning to Earth), challenging a staid performing musician like himself -

    "Well, You MAY Be A Lover,
    But You AIN'T No Dance
    I always assumed the 'Can you Take me back' piece was a sortt of surprise ending to 'Cry Baby Cry'..

    Whatever the intention, it's beautiful and mysterious.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUF7wy9gpU

    That is the entire first take, the used portion is towards the end. The rhythm and rattling sounds distinctly Native American. They put on something like the Hopi Kachina Mask with that one. I remember listening to it with a high school
    friend who had a reaction that it was hypnotically inducing the state of 'going back,' a sense of primal return.
    The splashdown of the Apollo 11 crew on 24 July 1969 was very close to the 25 July 1969 date, when after being told to merely frighten Gary Hinman out of a supposed $20,000 inheritance, Bobby Beausoleil witnessed as Manson suddenly arrived with
    a samurai sword, and sliced off Hinman's ear with it. Beausoleil had never seen this extreme violence before and asked why, getting a chilling reply: "To show you how to be a man!"

    Others were left to stitch up Hinman with dental floss, ultimately only to torture him until he was killed on 27 July, while reciting a Buddhist prayer.

    So there was a sudden super-malevolent change in the unstable criminal Manson that can be traced very close to the atmospheric re-entry of the Apollo 11 mission spacecraft.

    The Hopi prophecies are common knowledge, with the Moon landing as an ominous prospect.
    The Blue Moon of 30 April 1961 was the harbinger for President John Kennedy's 25 May 1961 speech to a joint session of Congress where he prioritized landing on the Moon as a national goal. It could have been that the remnant Nephilim contingent
    here knew humans had become technologically capable of retrieving their ninety percent cohort trapped on the Moon, and impressed a false urgency for the prestige, inducing people to forget there was no discernible practical advantage.

    There is also a probable reason that the new demonic reinforcements would immediately focus on Manson: what occurred with the infamous killings was a twisted karmic replay of The Slaughter Of The Innocents mass-killing scenario, suggesting he was
    a reincarnation of King Herod who commanded it. There is a loop in "Revolution 9" that names Herod, which was not perceived consciously, apparently even when repeated. The wicked spirits seek to use known enemies of Christ (in reincarnations unknown to
    humans), amplifying their inclinations towards iniquity to insane levels.

    There was a strange coincidence with the opening of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland, during the period of the Tate and La Bianca murders --

    https://www.mouseplanet.com/12973/Disneyland_Haunted_Mansion_1969#:~:text=The%20mansion%20officially%20opened%20as,of%20Disneyland%20guests%20experienced%20it.

    << Employee previews of the Mansion held on the nights of August 7 and 8 ran so smoothly that it was followed by unannounced "soft" openings on August 9 and 10, where limited numbers of park guests were allowed to ride.

    The exterior of the Haunted Mansion was merely a shell -- requiring guests to enter the "stretching room."

    A "Midnight" Press Event was held on the evening of August 11 from 10:30 pm to midnight. Fifty members of the press were given a special press package upon their arrival at the park that included a "Press Ghost" pass attached to a small glow-in-
    the-dark skull (a "skeleton key") which would be worn throughout the evening. They began the late night by being wined and dined at Club 33 and then Disneyland Ambassador Shari Bescos escorted them to the attraction.

    The mansion officially opened as advertised in the newspapers and the park to all guests the morning of August 12, 1969. However, today, the Walt Disney Company claims that August 9 was the real opening of the attraction since that was the first
    time that a handful of Disneyland guests experienced it.

    Eerily, actress Sharon Tate was murdered along with others early Saturday morning, August 9, 1969 by the disciples of Charles Manson, and that event overshadowed all other news that weekend.

    While today, we just accept the Haunted Mansion as one of the iconic Disneyland attractions, it was quite a challenge getting to that official opening of the "Phantom Phantasy" as early Disney publicity called it in 1969.

    While Walt reviewed many early concepts and previewed elements of the attraction on a 1965 episode entitled "Disneyland's Tenth Anniversary" on his weekly television show The Wonderful World of Color, he never saw the completed show and it was
    the first major Disney attraction to open without the direct supervision of Walt Disney.

    Associated Press writer Bob Thomas who would later author an acclaimed biography of Walt Disney wrote on August 19, 1969 for the San Diego Evening Tribune newspaper: "Many times I listened to [Walt Disney] spin ghostly tales he planned to
    dramatize in a Haunted Mansion at the Anaheim park. The project went through many states… but Walt was never satisfied with the illusions, and he died before his dream could be realized." >>

    There was about a decade of planning for the dark ride, its completion synchronized so that at the time the actual 'Stowaway from Moon Prison' scenario was occurring, such an insidious notion was also being satirized as family fun at the foremost
    amusement park: the finale of the ride is a caution to be wary of ghosts that are hitchhiking to follow patrons home. Then the 'doom buggies' slide past a row of mirrors, where various luminous ghoulish characters can be seen with patrons in the
    reflection.

    The August 1969 sequence implies a secret pageant having been smoothly coordinated by patiently malevolent forces intending an eventual consummation of humanity with its most sinister historic impulses, avoiding the path of Christian Salvation
    LOL, the Disney 'Haunted Mansion' ride was carried through on 'Doom Buggies'. Manson would have liked that name. But the timing of the Tate murders and opening of the Disney ride was as you say a coincidence. Manson & his followers were hanging out
    in secluded spots IIRC...
    I left out the sequence of what happened after Gary Hinman was murdered on 27 July 1969 (this was reported on a Dateline episode). With complete nonchalance, Beausoleil not only used Hinman's car, but was found asleep in it and arrested 6 August;
    because they had tried to implicate the Black Panthers at the scene, Manson hatched the plan that by having a high profile murder with similar indications would make the police believe Beausoleil was falsely accused and release him. The Tate murders were
    not immediately connected to Hinman, so Manson went with them for the La Bianca killings to try again, with the result that the police then connected the Tate and La Bianca murders, with Beausoleil still in jail.

    The "Abbey Road" cover image photo was taken the morning of 8 August, briefly stopping traffic to no fanfare. It was only after the day ended with midnight in Los Angeles that the kill squad advanced to do, as they announced to their victims, 'the
    devil's business.'


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    Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for
    Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.

    Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.

    Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the '
    Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.

    Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.

    The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.

    Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.

    The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for
    Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.

    If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the
    three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.

    *

    Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967.
    While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.

    The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,

    'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'

    <Bell>

    'Written -'

    <Bell>

    '...Back In China..'
    This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -

    Dame par force de frayeur honoree

    Lady by force of terror honored

    The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
    One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.

    https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/

    I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.

    Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.

    It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --

    Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe

    There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it
    should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.

    His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice

    The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.

    In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.

    Victor puine en Armonique terre

    Victor, cadet into Brittany territory

    The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.

    The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
    A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres,
    appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.

    The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
    If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.

    The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.

    So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.

    Par Saturnins endurera le pire

    By Saturnins the worst will be endured

    [V.24]

    Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers

    The Saturnins burned by the millers

    [VI.17]

    So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.

    A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.

    Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.

    The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it
    reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.

    As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.

    The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.

    So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.

    The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
    There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.

    In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a
    necessary date to reach.

    In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests
    finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.

    In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-
    Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).

    In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with
    glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.

    In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a
    Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.

    The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).

    The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.

    Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a
    fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine).
    This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.

    When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.

    When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.

    A different story emerges.

    Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves
    towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).

    The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.

    When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.

    The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching
    Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.

    Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.

    Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.

    The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having
    its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.

    The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights
    that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
    The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an
    isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.

    The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase
    Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.

    The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward
    to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.

    My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem
    properly assessed.

    The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.

    Par grand discord la terre tremblera
    Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
    Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
    Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel

    The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord - Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting - The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word - The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
    The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.

    The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).

    Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.

    Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18
    minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.

    So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.

    Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.

    It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
    Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.

    Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.

    The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.

    A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.

    In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.

    Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.

    The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.

    II.92

    Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
    Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
    Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
    Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped

    The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.

    III.13

    By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
    Of the two captives one will consume the other
    For the city the greatest extension
    When submerged the fleet will swim

    Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -

    IV.38

    Before the assault one will eat the other
    Melted metal will follow the trail of blood

    Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -

    IV.41

    Gymnique sexe captive par otage
    Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir

    Female athlete held captive as hostage
    Custodians will come to be deceived by night

    So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
    Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.

    When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.

    Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.

    An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
    Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances.

    The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.

    Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.

    The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.

    Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).

    The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.

    Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:25
    pm PST].

    The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.

    And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.
    Current events (such as the death of Kirstie Alley, and release of Brittney Griner) have established the double cataclysm of fire and flood (the Anaxagoric Revolution from the Preface) will occur soon, before the Great Mercury Reign has concluded
    with the entry of Venus into Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    The amazing judicial astrology strongly indicates the evening of Friday, 9 December 2022 for Geneva, consulting animated local charts.

    Soon after 4 pm CET a Lunar Grand Trine forms with Vesta and the Vertex: this peaks around 4:30 pm CET, with Fortune conjoining Venus; it dissipates around 5 pm CET, as the Vertex joins the South Node. Vesta is at the Apex, tipping towards the right.

    When Dusk arrives at 4:45 pm CET, the jump for Fortune is from the position of Mercury (3 degrees 12 minutes Capricorn) to 1 degree 23 minutes Sagittarius.

    The extraordinary moment is synchronized with the perfected Mercury lunar opposition at 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET:

    Both the Cancer Moon and Mercury in Capricorn at 4 degrees 3 minutes in their respective signs;

    Simultaneously, Saturn reaches the Midheaven point in trine with the Ascendant;

    And a new Grand Trine materializes with the East Point augmenting the trine relationship of Pluto and Ceres, rejuvenating what had been observed initially as a Lunar Grand Trine previously.

    It is as if Saturn passing the skewed Midheaven point creates an effect like cyclist Miss Gulch becoming the Wicked Witch riding a broomstick in the cyclone scene from "The Wizard Of Oz" -

    Saturn itself will convert gold to sword

    The innocuous Vertex Grand Trine vanishing as the sinister East Point Grand Trine suddenly becomes prominent happens while Venus-Babylon is still descending alone towards the Ecliptic, being made to receive the contents of the Cup of Divine Fury on
    her way down.

    Then Neptune ascends to the highest Apex of the celestial Vault, on the Eleventh House cusp, around 5 pm CET.

    The East Point Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is pivoting on the Ceres-Fulcrum, tipping towards a balanced-level orientation for the top trine line.

    This could be the Corinth perplexity, shortly following the Saturn at Midheaven moment; the Moon as Ephesus is itself occupied in Mercury opposition. Thus the perplexity has Neptune and the Moon separately engaged in different ways.

    Since Ceres and Jupiter are in near opposition, Ceres reaches the False Nadir at 5:15 pm CET - by then the East Point Grand Trine has degraded into non-existence.

    Jupiter follows Neptune at the Eleventh House cusp near-vertical Apex point at 5:20 pm CET, which may be the striking of the High-Born from II.92.

    Venus descends beneath the Ecliptic at 5:34 pm CET.

    So there seems to be close focus on a brief interval, alternating between which celestial bodies are crossing the actual Midheaven point versus the Eleventh House cusp false Prime Vertical, as Evening Star Venus sets for Geneva after Sunset.

    The sequence appears to conclude when Vesta follows Saturn at the true Midheaven point 9 December 2022 5:53 pm CET: this moment is also Moonrise; it finds Mercury at the Descendant; and the Sun is conjoined by the Part of Fortune. Also the Vertex
    briefly nearly achieves reinstating a Grand Trine between Neptune and the Lilith-Pallas pairing.

    The 'Tipping Urn' making its ominous phantom appearance once Saturn crossing Midheaven sets up Venus for an unpleasant fall below the horizon -

    So the critical time would be 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET / 10:55 am EST / 7:55 am PST.

    The Moon will not make a conjunction beyond Mars until 11 December 2022.

    *

    Car selon les signes celestes,
    Le regne de Saturne sera de retour,
    Que le tout calcule,
    Le monde s'approche d'une anaragonique revolution

    ...Because according to the celestial signs,
    The reign of Saturn will return -
    So that all things being calculated,
    The world will then be approaching an Anaxagoric revolution

    The subtext to that Preface passage is that the 6 January 2021 Capitol rampage was during perhaps the critical initial reign of Saturn, whose astrological reprise will be 7 to 16 March 2023. (The preceding Preface sentence described the prior pre-
    Saturn reign condition from 18 December 2017, with the Sun progressing slightly before Saturn at the end of a lunar course).

    The Greek philosopher Anaxagoras predicted the world ending through a fire and flood cataclysm.
    The extra-mile towards the elusive cataclysmic timing endeavor goes into the uncanny realm of an impression, rather than a precise calculation. Some of the daily parameters recur with slight alterations that make a tremendous difference. And the Great
    Mercury Reign is itself taken as a precursor, heralding a new Venusian Reign for her debasement.

    The first clue this may be the right track is the Geneva charts for 11 December 2022 8:14 am CET: Fortune jumps from the proximity of Ouranos to the Moon, which is nearing conjunct with Pallas, as suggested by II.66. This is the key to the complex
    solution for the timing devices: once the Moon aligns with Pallas and Lilith, it reinforces the Grand Trine potential span, opening it temporarily to a wider interaction.

    The Moon conjoins Pallas 12:39 pm CET (ending the post-Mars interval); the lunar conjunct for Lilith takes place 2:47 pm CET.

    Dusk at 4:45 pm CET causes Fortune to leap from Pluto in Capricorn to the South Node with the Vertex in Scorpio.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point 4:47 pm CET, and again immediately there appears in the wake of that crossing the downward-pointing Grand Trine with the East Point joining Pluto and Ceres (with the latter as Fulcrum); this prodigy again
    dissipates quickly, around 5:03 pm CET.

    Neptune reaches the Eleventh House cusp Apex point 4:52 pm CET; Jupiter follows at 5:13 pm CET.

    Venus reaches the Descendant 5:37 pm CET, but shortly before that happens, the beginnings of an awesome larger design emerge, as the Vertex-Fortune pairing moves together into the position for an augmented Grand Trine.

    Neptune cannot aspect directly with the Moon, yet is close to Jupiter which can: the association makes for an expanded image.

    The Pallas-Lilith-Moon alignment allows for a Reinforced Grand Trine with Jupiter-Neptune as a Double-Peak, completed by the Vertex and Fortune acting in tandem. This strengthened impression of a Grand Trine thus fortuitously includes both the Moon and
    Neptune, despite it not being the time for them to make a genuine aspect - because they are both caught up in 'The Grand Trine Of Perplexity.'

    So this Augmented Grand Trine from the Pallas Fortune jump should be the Good Omen of II.66 line 4, and the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3. However IX.44 implicates Saturn as the instrument for activation, by crossing the Midheaven point, which
    ushers in the Debasement Grand Trine pointing downwards, briefly utilizing the East Point - that is

    11 December 2022 4:47 pm CET / 10:47 am EST / 7:47 am PST.

    The Perplexity Grand Trine forms a few minutes before Venus falls at the Descendant, around 5:30 pm CET, and disintegrates around 6:45 pm CET.

    Vesta reaches Midheaven 5:45 pm CET, then Mercury follows Venus at the Descendant around 6 pm CET.

    The Venusian Reign continues until she exceeds the locational value of Vesta 16 December 2022 around 8 pm CET. The debasement of Venus in X.28 was not described, yet logically should occur within her own reign. Neither did the seer write specifically
    about or describe a Grand Trine, yet the theme has clearly emerged as deliberately hidden.

    An amendment to my interpretation for line 1 is related: Betta as Pettau for Saint Victorinus (d. 304), Pannonian bishop, has a 2 November feast, day before the 2020 US election; and bishop Saint Domnus (d. 657) for Vienne brings to the actual 3
    November date.


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    Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for
    Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.

    Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.

    Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the '
    Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.

    Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.

    The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.

    Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.

    The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for
    Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.

    If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the
    three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.

    *

    Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967.
    While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.

    The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,

    'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'

    <Bell>

    'Written -'

    <Bell>

    '...Back In China..'
    This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -

    Dame par force de frayeur honoree

    Lady by force of terror honored

    The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
    One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.

    https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/

    I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.

    Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.

    It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --

    Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe

    There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it
    should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.

    His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice

    The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.

    In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.

    Victor puine en Armonique terre

    Victor, cadet into Brittany territory

    The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.

    The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
    A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres,
    appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.

    The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
    If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.

    The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.

    So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.

    Par Saturnins endurera le pire

    By Saturnins the worst will be endured

    [V.24]

    Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers

    The Saturnins burned by the millers

    [VI.17]

    So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.

    A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.

    Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.

    The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it
    reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.

    As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.

    The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.

    So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.

    The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
    There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.

    In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a
    necessary date to reach.

    In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests
    finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.

    In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-
    Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).

    In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with
    glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.

    In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a
    Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.

    The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).

    The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.

    Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a
    fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine).
    This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.

    When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.

    When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.

    A different story emerges.

    Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves
    towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).

    The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.

    When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.

    The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching
    Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.

    Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.

    Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.

    The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having
    its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.

    The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights
    that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
    The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an
    isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.

    The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase
    Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.

    The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward
    to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.

    My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem
    properly assessed.

    The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.

    Par grand discord la terre tremblera
    Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
    Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
    Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel

    The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord - Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting - The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word - The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
    The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.

    The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).

    Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.

    Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18
    minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.

    So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.

    Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.

    It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
    Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.

    Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.

    The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.

    A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.

    In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.

    Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.

    The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.

    II.92

    Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
    Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
    Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
    Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped

    The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.

    III.13

    By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
    Of the two captives one will consume the other
    For the city the greatest extension
    When submerged the fleet will swim

    Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -

    IV.38

    Before the assault one will eat the other
    Melted metal will follow the trail of blood

    Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -

    IV.41

    Gymnique sexe captive par otage
    Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir

    Female athlete held captive as hostage
    Custodians will come to be deceived by night

    So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
    Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.

    When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.

    Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.

    An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
    Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances.

    The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.

    Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.

    The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.

    Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).

    The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.

    Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:25
    pm PST].

    The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.

    And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.
    Current events (such as the death of Kirstie Alley, and release of Brittney Griner) have established the double cataclysm of fire and flood (the Anaxagoric Revolution from the Preface) will occur soon, before the Great Mercury Reign has concluded
    with the entry of Venus into Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    The amazing judicial astrology strongly indicates the evening of Friday, 9 December 2022 for Geneva, consulting animated local charts.

    Soon after 4 pm CET a Lunar Grand Trine forms with Vesta and the Vertex: this peaks around 4:30 pm CET, with Fortune conjoining Venus; it dissipates around 5 pm CET, as the Vertex joins the South Node. Vesta is at the Apex, tipping towards the right.

    When Dusk arrives at 4:45 pm CET, the jump for Fortune is from the position of Mercury (3 degrees 12 minutes Capricorn) to 1 degree 23 minutes Sagittarius.

    The extraordinary moment is synchronized with the perfected Mercury lunar opposition at 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET:

    Both the Cancer Moon and Mercury in Capricorn at 4 degrees 3 minutes in their respective signs;

    Simultaneously, Saturn reaches the Midheaven point in trine with the Ascendant;

    And a new Grand Trine materializes with the East Point augmenting the trine relationship of Pluto and Ceres, rejuvenating what had been observed initially as a Lunar Grand Trine previously.

    It is as if Saturn passing the skewed Midheaven point creates an effect like cyclist Miss Gulch becoming the Wicked Witch riding a broomstick in the cyclone scene from "The Wizard Of Oz" -

    Saturn itself will convert gold to sword

    The innocuous Vertex Grand Trine vanishing as the sinister East Point Grand Trine suddenly becomes prominent happens while Venus-Babylon is still descending alone towards the Ecliptic, being made to receive the contents of the Cup of Divine Fury on
    her way down.

    Then Neptune ascends to the highest Apex of the celestial Vault, on the Eleventh House cusp, around 5 pm CET.

    The East Point Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is pivoting on the Ceres-Fulcrum, tipping towards a balanced-level orientation for the top trine line.

    This could be the Corinth perplexity, shortly following the Saturn at Midheaven moment; the Moon as Ephesus is itself occupied in Mercury opposition. Thus the perplexity has Neptune and the Moon separately engaged in different ways.

    Since Ceres and Jupiter are in near opposition, Ceres reaches the False Nadir at 5:15 pm CET - by then the East Point Grand Trine has degraded into non-existence.

    Jupiter follows Neptune at the Eleventh House cusp near-vertical Apex point at 5:20 pm CET, which may be the striking of the High-Born from II.92.

    Venus descends beneath the Ecliptic at 5:34 pm CET.

    So there seems to be close focus on a brief interval, alternating between which celestial bodies are crossing the actual Midheaven point versus the Eleventh House cusp false Prime Vertical, as Evening Star Venus sets for Geneva after Sunset.

    The sequence appears to conclude when Vesta follows Saturn at the true Midheaven point 9 December 2022 5:53 pm CET: this moment is also Moonrise; it finds Mercury at the Descendant; and the Sun is conjoined by the Part of Fortune. Also the Vertex
    briefly nearly achieves reinstating a Grand Trine between Neptune and the Lilith-Pallas pairing.

    The 'Tipping Urn' making its ominous phantom appearance once Saturn crossing Midheaven sets up Venus for an unpleasant fall below the horizon -

    So the critical time would be 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET / 10:55 am EST / 7:55 am PST.

    The Moon will not make a conjunction beyond Mars until 11 December 2022.

    *

    Car selon les signes celestes,
    Le regne de Saturne sera de retour,
    Que le tout calcule,
    Le monde s'approche d'une anaragonique revolution

    ...Because according to the celestial signs,
    The reign of Saturn will return -
    So that all things being calculated,
    The world will then be approaching an Anaxagoric revolution

    The subtext to that Preface passage is that the 6 January 2021 Capitol rampage was during perhaps the critical initial reign of Saturn, whose astrological reprise will be 7 to 16 March 2023. (The preceding Preface sentence described the prior pre-
    Saturn reign condition from 18 December 2017, with the Sun progressing slightly before Saturn at the end of a lunar course).

    The Greek philosopher Anaxagoras predicted the world ending through a fire and flood cataclysm.
    The extra-mile towards the elusive cataclysmic timing endeavor goes into the uncanny realm of an impression, rather than a precise calculation. Some of the daily parameters recur with slight alterations that make a tremendous difference. And the Great
    Mercury Reign is itself taken as a precursor, heralding a new Venusian Reign for her debasement.

    The first clue this may be the right track is the Geneva charts for 11 December 2022 8:14 am CET: Fortune jumps from the proximity of Ouranos to the Moon, which is nearing conjunct with Pallas, as suggested by II.66. This is the key to the complex
    solution for the timing devices: once the Moon aligns with Pallas and Lilith, it reinforces the Grand Trine potential span, opening it temporarily to a wider interaction.

    The Moon conjoins Pallas 12:39 pm CET (ending the post-Mars interval); the lunar conjunct for Lilith takes place 2:47 pm CET.

    Dusk at 4:45 pm CET causes Fortune to leap from Pluto in Capricorn to the South Node with the Vertex in Scorpio.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point 4:47 pm CET, and again immediately there appears in the wake of that crossing the downward-pointing Grand Trine with the East Point joining Pluto and Ceres (with the latter as Fulcrum); this prodigy again
    dissipates quickly, around 5:03 pm CET.

    Neptune reaches the Eleventh House cusp Apex point 4:52 pm CET; Jupiter follows at 5:13 pm CET.

    Venus reaches the Descendant 5:37 pm CET, but shortly before that happens, the beginnings of an awesome larger design emerge, as the Vertex-Fortune pairing moves together into the position for an augmented Grand Trine.

    Neptune cannot aspect directly with the Moon, yet is close to Jupiter which can: the association makes for an expanded image.

    The Pallas-Lilith-Moon alignment allows for a Reinforced Grand Trine with Jupiter-Neptune as a Double-Peak, completed by the Vertex and Fortune acting in tandem. This strengthened impression of a Grand Trine thus fortuitously includes both the Moon and
    Neptune, despite it not being the time for them to make a genuine aspect - because they are both caught up in 'The Grand Trine Of Perplexity.'

    So this Augmented Grand Trine from the Pallas Fortune jump should be the Good Omen of II.66 line 4, and the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3. However IX.44 implicates Saturn as the instrument for activation, by crossing the Midheaven point, which
    ushers in the Debasement Grand Trine pointing downwards, briefly utilizing the East Point - that is

    11 December 2022 4:47 pm CET / 10:47 am EST / 7:47 am PST.

    The Perplexity Grand Trine forms a few minutes before Venus falls at the Descendant, around 5:30 pm CET, and disintegrates around 6:45 pm CET.

    Vesta reaches Midheaven 5:45 pm CET, then Mercury follows Venus at the Descendant around 6 pm CET.

    The Venusian Reign continues until she exceeds the locational value of Vesta 16 December 2022 around 8 pm CET. The debasement of Venus in X.28 was not described, yet logically should occur within her own reign. Neither did the seer write specifically
    about or describe a Grand Trine, yet the theme has clearly emerged as deliberately hidden.

    An amendment to my interpretation for line 1 is related: Betta as Pettau for Saint Victorinus (d. 304), Pannonian bishop, has a 2 November feast, day before the 2020 US election; and bishop Saint Domnus (d. 657) for Vienne brings to the actual 3
    November date.


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    Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for
    Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.

    Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.

    Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the '
    Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.

    Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.

    The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.

    Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.

    The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for
    Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.

    If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the
    three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.

    *

    Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967.
    While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.

    The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,

    'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'

    <Bell>

    'Written -'

    <Bell>

    '...Back In China..'
    This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -

    Dame par force de frayeur honoree

    Lady by force of terror honored

    The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
    One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.

    https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/

    I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.

    Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.

    It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --

    Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe

    There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it
    should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.

    His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice

    The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.

    In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.

    Victor puine en Armonique terre

    Victor, cadet into Brittany territory

    The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.

    The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
    A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres,
    appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.

    The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
    If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.

    The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.

    So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.

    Par Saturnins endurera le pire

    By Saturnins the worst will be endured

    [V.24]

    Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers

    The Saturnins burned by the millers

    [VI.17]

    So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.

    A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.

    Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.

    The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where it
    reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.

    As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.

    The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.

    So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.

    The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
    There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.

    In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as a
    necessary date to reach.

    In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests
    finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.

    In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-
    Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).

    In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with
    glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.

    In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a
    Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.

    The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).

    The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.

    Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a
    fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine).
    This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.

    When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.

    When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.

    A different story emerges.

    Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves
    towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).

    The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.

    When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.

    The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury reaching
    Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.

    Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.

    Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.

    The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election having
    its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.

    The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable nights
    that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
    The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as an
    isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.

    The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase
    Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.

    The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking forward
    to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.

    My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem
    properly assessed.

    The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.

    Par grand discord la terre tremblera
    Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
    Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
    Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel

    The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord - Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting - The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word - The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
    The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.

    The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).

    Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.

    Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18
    minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.

    So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.

    Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.

    It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
    Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.

    Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.

    The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.

    A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.

    In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.

    Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.

    The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.

    II.92

    Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
    Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
    Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
    Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped

    The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.

    III.13

    By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
    Of the two captives one will consume the other
    For the city the greatest extension
    When submerged the fleet will swim

    Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -

    IV.38

    Before the assault one will eat the other
    Melted metal will follow the trail of blood

    Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -

    IV.41

    Gymnique sexe captive par otage
    Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir

    Female athlete held captive as hostage
    Custodians will come to be deceived by night

    So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
    Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.

    When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.

    Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.

    An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
    Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances.

    The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.

    Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.

    The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.

    Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).

    The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.

    Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:25
    pm PST].

    The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.

    And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.
    Current events (such as the death of Kirstie Alley, and release of Brittney Griner) have established the double cataclysm of fire and flood (the Anaxagoric Revolution from the Preface) will occur soon, before the Great Mercury Reign has concluded
    with the entry of Venus into Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    The amazing judicial astrology strongly indicates the evening of Friday, 9 December 2022 for Geneva, consulting animated local charts.

    Soon after 4 pm CET a Lunar Grand Trine forms with Vesta and the Vertex: this peaks around 4:30 pm CET, with Fortune conjoining Venus; it dissipates around 5 pm CET, as the Vertex joins the South Node. Vesta is at the Apex, tipping towards the right.

    When Dusk arrives at 4:45 pm CET, the jump for Fortune is from the position of Mercury (3 degrees 12 minutes Capricorn) to 1 degree 23 minutes Sagittarius.

    The extraordinary moment is synchronized with the perfected Mercury lunar opposition at 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET:

    Both the Cancer Moon and Mercury in Capricorn at 4 degrees 3 minutes in their respective signs;

    Simultaneously, Saturn reaches the Midheaven point in trine with the Ascendant;

    And a new Grand Trine materializes with the East Point augmenting the trine relationship of Pluto and Ceres, rejuvenating what had been observed initially as a Lunar Grand Trine previously.

    It is as if Saturn passing the skewed Midheaven point creates an effect like cyclist Miss Gulch becoming the Wicked Witch riding a broomstick in the cyclone scene from "The Wizard Of Oz" -

    Saturn itself will convert gold to sword

    The innocuous Vertex Grand Trine vanishing as the sinister East Point Grand Trine suddenly becomes prominent happens while Venus-Babylon is still descending alone towards the Ecliptic, being made to receive the contents of the Cup of Divine Fury on
    her way down.

    Then Neptune ascends to the highest Apex of the celestial Vault, on the Eleventh House cusp, around 5 pm CET.

    The East Point Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is pivoting on the Ceres-Fulcrum, tipping towards a balanced-level orientation for the top trine line.

    This could be the Corinth perplexity, shortly following the Saturn at Midheaven moment; the Moon as Ephesus is itself occupied in Mercury opposition. Thus the perplexity has Neptune and the Moon separately engaged in different ways.

    Since Ceres and Jupiter are in near opposition, Ceres reaches the False Nadir at 5:15 pm CET - by then the East Point Grand Trine has degraded into non-existence.

    Jupiter follows Neptune at the Eleventh House cusp near-vertical Apex point at 5:20 pm CET, which may be the striking of the High-Born from II.92.

    Venus descends beneath the Ecliptic at 5:34 pm CET.

    So there seems to be close focus on a brief interval, alternating between which celestial bodies are crossing the actual Midheaven point versus the Eleventh House cusp false Prime Vertical, as Evening Star Venus sets for Geneva after Sunset.

    The sequence appears to conclude when Vesta follows Saturn at the true Midheaven point 9 December 2022 5:53 pm CET: this moment is also Moonrise; it finds Mercury at the Descendant; and the Sun is conjoined by the Part of Fortune. Also the Vertex
    briefly nearly achieves reinstating a Grand Trine between Neptune and the Lilith-Pallas pairing.

    The 'Tipping Urn' making its ominous phantom appearance once Saturn crossing Midheaven sets up Venus for an unpleasant fall below the horizon -

    So the critical time would be 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET / 10:55 am EST / 7:55 am PST.

    The Moon will not make a conjunction beyond Mars until 11 December 2022.

    *

    Car selon les signes celestes,
    Le regne de Saturne sera de retour,
    Que le tout calcule,
    Le monde s'approche d'une anaragonique revolution

    ...Because according to the celestial signs,
    The reign of Saturn will return -
    So that all things being calculated,
    The world will then be approaching an Anaxagoric revolution

    The subtext to that Preface passage is that the 6 January 2021 Capitol rampage was during perhaps the critical initial reign of Saturn, whose astrological reprise will be 7 to 16 March 2023. (The preceding Preface sentence described the prior pre-
    Saturn reign condition from 18 December 2017, with the Sun progressing slightly before Saturn at the end of a lunar course).

    The Greek philosopher Anaxagoras predicted the world ending through a fire and flood cataclysm.
    The extra-mile towards the elusive cataclysmic timing endeavor goes into the uncanny realm of an impression, rather than a precise calculation. Some of the daily parameters recur with slight alterations that make a tremendous difference. And the Great
    Mercury Reign is itself taken as a precursor, heralding a new Venusian Reign for her debasement.

    The first clue this may be the right track is the Geneva charts for 11 December 2022 8:14 am CET: Fortune jumps from the proximity of Ouranos to the Moon, which is nearing conjunct with Pallas, as suggested by II.66. This is the key to the complex
    solution for the timing devices: once the Moon aligns with Pallas and Lilith, it reinforces the Grand Trine potential span, opening it temporarily to a wider interaction.

    The Moon conjoins Pallas 12:39 pm CET (ending the post-Mars interval); the lunar conjunct for Lilith takes place 2:47 pm CET.

    Dusk at 4:45 pm CET causes Fortune to leap from Pluto in Capricorn to the South Node with the Vertex in Scorpio.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point 4:47 pm CET, and again immediately there appears in the wake of that crossing the downward-pointing Grand Trine with the East Point joining Pluto and Ceres (with the latter as Fulcrum); this prodigy again
    dissipates quickly, around 5:03 pm CET.

    Neptune reaches the Eleventh House cusp Apex point 4:52 pm CET; Jupiter follows at 5:13 pm CET.

    Venus reaches the Descendant 5:37 pm CET, but shortly before that happens, the beginnings of an awesome larger design emerge, as the Vertex-Fortune pairing moves together into the position for an augmented Grand Trine.

    Neptune cannot aspect directly with the Moon, yet is close to Jupiter which can: the association makes for an expanded image.

    The Pallas-Lilith-Moon alignment allows for a Reinforced Grand Trine with Jupiter-Neptune as a Double-Peak, completed by the Vertex and Fortune acting in tandem. This strengthened impression of a Grand Trine thus fortuitously includes both the Moon and
    Neptune, despite it not being the time for them to make a genuine aspect - because they are both caught up in 'The Grand Trine Of Perplexity.'

    So this Augmented Grand Trine from the Pallas Fortune jump should be the Good Omen of II.66 line 4, and the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3. However IX.44 implicates Saturn as the instrument for activation, by crossing the Midheaven point, which
    ushers in the Debasement Grand Trine pointing downwards, briefly utilizing the East Point - that is

    11 December 2022 4:47 pm CET / 10:47 am EST / 7:47 am PST.

    The Perplexity Grand Trine forms a few minutes before Venus falls at the Descendant, around 5:30 pm CET, and disintegrates around 6:45 pm CET.

    Vesta reaches Midheaven 5:45 pm CET, then Mercury follows Venus at the Descendant around 6 pm CET.

    The Venusian Reign continues until she exceeds the locational value of Vesta 16 December 2022 around 8 pm CET. The debasement of Venus in X.28 was not described, yet logically should occur within her own reign. Neither did the seer write specifically
    about or describe a Grand Trine, yet the theme has clearly emerged as deliberately hidden.

    An amendment to my interpretation for line 1 is related: Betta as Pettau for Saint Victorinus (d. 304), Pannonian bishop, has a 2 November feast, day before the 2020 US election; and bishop Saint Domnus (d. 657) for Vienne brings to the actual 3
    November date.


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    The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.

    So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -

    6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST

    The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.
    Having Venus participate in a celestial pantomime whereby she esoterically passively 'receives' the contents of Great Urn as the new Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is a timing device that eliminates the requirement for
    Venus to be the singular focus of attention, which was mistakenly being pursued - the debasement of Venus does not seem to occur in a spotlight, but as a marginal humiliation.

    Now that Venus fell at the Geneva Ascendant with the Lunar Grand Trine (including Pluto and Ceres) fully inverted 6 December 2022 5:28 pm CET, her relevant influence seems diminished.

    Saturn and Vesta now appear to be the significant agents, but first the Moon progresses into Gemini at 9:49 pm CET - with Saturn poised near its fall at the Descendant, almost identically situated as at the outset of the '
    Saturnin'-Vestal Reign, justifying the invented identification. The unique Saturnin interval terminates shortly, when Mercury enters Capricorn.

    Saturn reaches the Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 pm CET [/ 4:01 pm EST / 1:01 pm PST], with Vesta conjoined by Fortune: this is now expected to trigger the fire-and-flood double cataclysm, hinted by IX.44.

    The Saturnin period gives way to the Great Mercury Reign (X.79) at 11:10 pm CET, as Mercury reaches Capricorn.

    Vesta then follows at the Descendant 11:20 pm CET, for the 'sepulchral fire' prediction of X.6.

    The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 appears to suggest when the sustained trembling will finally cease, at the Neptune lunar square aspect of 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET. Since this happens after Sunset (4:45 pm CET for
    Geneva), this should be the commencement of the third 'normal' night from VII.5.

    If the onset arrived with Saturn at the Geneva Descendant 6 December 2022 10:01 PM CET, the Neptune lunar square should present a time about 44 hours later, so the catastrophic sequence easily allows sufficient time for the
    three nights to Warn' prophecy of V.83 to manifest.

    *

    Back to The Beatles, although Paul McCartney started writing "When I'm Sixty-Four" much earlier than the Sgt Pepper sessions, his father was turning the title age (born 7 July - same as Richard Starkey - in 1902) circa 1967.
    While the numeric age is close to presumed retirement for the lyrical theme, the number 64 is also the total number of hexagrams in the I Ching Chinese divination method.

    The sequence in the tune where the resonant bell alternates with George Martin playing clarinet suggests,

    'The Changes Outlined In A Book -'

    <Bell>

    'Written -'

    <Bell>

    '...Back In China..'
    This timing being correct would explain why no female saint was convincingly derived for the final line of I.94 -

    Dame par force de frayeur honoree

    Lady by force of terror honored

    The report of the recent death of celebrity actress Kirstie Alley could be what was intended, in another real-world prediction unexpectedly fulfilled.
    One site gives Kirstie Alley's birth time as 2 pm local CST, on 12 January 1951, in Wichita, Kansas.

    https://aaps.space/kundli/kirstie-alley/

    I found a near-trine at 2 pm CST between Jupiter at 7 degrees Pisces, and Ouranos at 6 degrees 50 minutes Cancer.

    Then the Vertex slips through Scorpio to make a Grand Trine around 2:36 pm CST.

    It is odd to notice the word 'Vitrix' in V.18, regarding the solution for Saint Felix of Valois --

    Celebrera son Vitrix l'hecatombe

    There is a slight difference between Vitrix and Vertex: Vitrix is translated as Conqueress, but the meaning is that Trinitarian Felix would die forlorn from grief about the Grand Trine employed in a mass slaughter prophecy. But it
    should be considered that having the Vertex complete a Grand Trine in the natal chart could make Kirstie Alley the Lady of the Vertex whose life would be celebrated during the Hecatomb-Sacrifice.

    His Vertex Lady will be celebrated during the Sacrifice

    The Victor of VI.70 would be Saint Victor of Piacenza with the 7 December feast.

    In IV.95 line 4 the use of Victor is ambiguously followed by 'puine' which could indicate Mercury as solar cadet.

    Victor puine en Armonique terre

    Victor, cadet into Brittany territory

    The same saint Victor of 7 December in 2022 is within the Great Mercury Reign, as would be 9 December as Brittany soil, via feast for Saint Boduc.

    The Great Mercury Reign ends when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 around 5 am CET.
    A further moment before the Saturnin-defined interval ends in less than an hour (10:40 pm CET / 4:40 pm EST) has Venus at the Fifth House cusp, and the Moon as vertical Apex of the vestiges of its Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres,
    appearing Upright, so that the grouping with Venus is below what would have been the Balance line oriented another way.

    The Mercury Reign cannot be the time of onset, when the Saturnin period precedes as when the worst happens.
    If eulogizing and bereavement for Kirstie Alley is part of the prophecy, the fire-&-flood catastrophe seems very close indeed.

    The final line of VI.70 implies the event will not be satisfied with anything except the sole title 'Victor,' now implying the 7 December feast for Saint Victor of Piacenza.

    So not far into the Great Mercury Reign for X.79, yet clearly beyond the immediately prior Saturnin interval.

    Par Saturnins endurera le pire

    By Saturnins the worst will be endured

    [V.24]

    Les Saturnins brules par les meuniers

    The Saturnins burned by the millers

    [VI.17]

    So the early portion of the Great Mercury Reign, ensuing from the Saturnin period, appears to be the cataclysmic onset time - on 7 December 2022 specifically.

    A little bit after Sunset in Geneva is when the critical sequence commences on that evening.

    Sunset at 4:45 pm CET brings the Fortune jump from slightly below the Ecliptic to slightly above, not a big change due to the solar-lunar near opposition.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point at 5:02 pm CET, with Fortune then nearing Venus.

    The critical triggering condition may be when Venus is conjoined by Fortune 7 December 2022 5:08 pm CET: not only is it strange timing, just before Venus falls beneath the horizon, but also the East Point comes into a position where
    it reconstitutes the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, eliminating need for the progressed Moon.

    As this East Point transitory Grand Trine forms at 5:09 pm CET, the Vertex is with the South Node - that sudden Grand Trine could be the 'Good Omen' that besieges a city in II.66.

    The East Point connection is broken before Venus reaches the Descendant, happening at 5:30 pm CET.

    So this particular prophecy was given in stages rather than focusing on a single moment, full of enigmatic remarks that seem sometimes conflicting or imprecise.

    The Venus-Fortune conjunction is at 7 December 2022 11:08 am EST / 8:08 am PST.
    There seems to be a connection with the anniversary of the 8 December 1980 event that ended hopes for a reunion of The Beatles, foretold in I.57 as stated prior.

    In VI.70 the seer guides through the 2-3 December 2022 lunar and solar aspects with Chiron, identifies the further lunar conjunct as Ouranos (Heavens) around 5 December, then alludes to the 7 December feast for Saint Victor Piacenza as
    a necessary date to reach.

    In II.66 the opening line foretold the 28 October 2022 Pelosi home invasion hammer attack; then the 4 December 2022 situation at Geneva Dawn was described, when Fortune made a jump from the position of Pallas. The final line suggests
    finding an ironic 'Good Omen' by which the city would be besieged.

    In V.18 Saint Felix of Valois as Trinitarian with 20 November feast was invoked, hinting at a woman with a Grand Trine involving the Vertex (Vitrix) in her natal chart: this suggests the recent passing of Kirstie Alley, with a Jupiter-
    Ouranos-Vertex Grand Trine for Wichita 12 January 1951 2:36 pm CST, is the Lady honored or celebrated through the time of massive fatalities from the force of terror incident (I.94).

    In V.66 the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse seems the subject of the 'gold engraving' in the final line, because it coincided with the feast of Trajan martyr Saint Minias of Florence. The 'Sun and Moon' in line 3 are associated with
    glittering metals, however this is not necessarily a conjunction; another Trajan martyr (from the same year 250) feast was found 5 December for Saint Bassus of Nice.

    In V.42 the Revelation Cup of Wrath theme is revealed through the angels administering the dark task of delivering Divine Fury, with a focus on the Black Forest region (suggesting Geneva) for the building of a fire; the references to a
    Tavern and Lombardy match the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting into 20 November 2022, via feast for Saint Benignus. Feast for Saint Mirocles of Milan made 3 December another Lombardy date.

    The 4 December date corresponded with numerous potential matches: Saint Bernard degli Uberti for Parma in VII.5; Saint Clement of Alexandria as the Bible reader of V.83; Saint Apro for Lyons (VIII.34) and Gaul (X.58).

    The Saturnin period has been defined as a resumed Vestal Reign, leading into the supremacy of Great Mercury (X.79), which will last until Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    Of two notable anniversaries, the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, and the 8 December 1980 assassination of John Lennon, the latter seems more likely to be critically indicated, from observing the celestial movements.

    Before Dawn for Geneva 8 December 2022 6:28 am CET there will be an augmented Sagittarius Sun - Gemini Mars opposition (both at 16 degrees 5 minutes): the Moon will have only surpassed Mars (the next lunar conjunct after Ouranos) by a
    fraction of a degree, so they appear together; and the Sun will be at the East Point. The chart looks especially ominous, because Fortune is at the Descendant, reconstituting a Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres (that originated as a Lunar Grand Trine).
    This is likely the condition hinted by 'Sol et Lune' from V.66.

    When Dawn arrives for Geneva at 8:11 am CET, since the Sun and Moon are in opposition the jump for Fortune is a slight distance, staying in Gemini with a leap from around 3 degrees to the Moon's position past 17.5 degrees.

    When Venus rises at 9:05 am CET, it is clearly not going to be replay of the 9-11 attacks, where Mercury was rising locally at event onset: nothing seems engaged then.

    A different story emerges.

    Those which had been perceived as Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET become background identification for V.42, meaning the Sun, Venus, and Mercury, will cross the Midheaven point in succession, as the Gemini Moon moves
    towards its trine with Aquarian Saturn past twenty degrees (IX.44, 72).

    The Sun at Midheaven 12:28 pm CET does not appear very ominous.

    When Venus arrives at Midheaven 8 December 2022 1:18 pm CET [/ 7:18 am EST / 4:18 am PST], the Vertex and Fortune are clustered with Ceres at the Descendant; and the Moon is eleven minutes of a degree from its trine with Saturn.

    The implication is the cataclysm occurs when Venus is at the Apex (non-skewed Prime Vertical), exalted over Geneva's celestial Vault, and the lunar trine with Saturn is the prominent fateful aspect. This timing precludes Mercury
    reaching Midheaven before the onset: and when Midheaven is midway between Venus and Mercury at 1:27 pm CET, the Vertex drops to the Descendant, as a possible secondary triggering condition nine minutes after Venus at Midheaven.

    Mercury reaching Midheaven in the seer's version is grouped along with Venus, although that incident at 1:38 pm CET would invalidate the 'Venus as Mystery Babylon' theme, if the fiery explosion happens subsequently.

    Saturn has its lunar trine at 1:40 pm CET, with both Saturn and the Moon positioned at 20 degrees 21 minutes in their respective signs, coinciding closely with Mercury at the Midheaven point.

    The next lunar aspect is a square with Neptune 8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET, suggesting the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3, presumably while the sustained trembling is an ongoing reality. The US state of Georgia runoff election
    having its result determined recently completes the 'newly-elected' portion of VI.21, with 'great sustained trembling' to follow; the remainder of VI.21 concerned the country of Georgia in an uprising circa August 2008.

    The rulership of Great Mercury (X.79) terminates when Venus enters Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET, yet that timing is not clearly associated with anything specifically. Applying the VII.5 scheduling for the two inexplicable
    nights that descend suggests perhaps a full day of unusual vibrations and sensations, leading into an otherwise normal night when the sustained trembling finally subsides.
    The brief reappearance of the Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres through Fortune being fortuitously positioned at the Descendant during the Mars solar opposition, augmented by the separate yet coordinated Moon and East point placements, as
    an isolated incident clearly manifests the menacing 'Good Omen' for the final line of II.66, to restate the obvious.

    The Sun-Mars opposition of 8 December 2022 is not itself the time of onset, but a short-term precursor that could be mistaken for an auspicious occurrence: a bad omen masquerading as a good one. The setup for the actual incident to debase
    Venus arrives swiftly from that final sign.

    The Mobile Sign of I.54 arrived earlier, with Venus at the Nadir under the Balance for Geneva during the partisan determination of the US House of Representatives; V.42 referred back to that 17 November 2022 situation, while looking
    forward to 8 December with Venus at Midheaven.

    My theory of the Saturnin-Vestal period does not seem to be necessary or correct: the Saturn lunar trine at the time of onset is sufficient for the 'Saturnin' term, having a timely connection. However the Great Mercury Reign does seem
    properly assessed.

    The 8 December 2022 is the 42nd year since the 1980 assassination of John Lennon, which was the subject of I.57; it is also the feast of the Immaculate Conception, referring to the spiritual purity of Christ's Mother Mary.

    Par grand discord la terre tremblera
    Accord rompu dressant la tete au ciel
    Bouche sanglante dans le sang nagera
    Au sol la face ointe de lait and miel

    The world's South Pacific to tremble from the great discord - Harmony thus being broken, towards Heaven the head uplifting - The mouth engulfed, swimming in blood, unable to speak a word -
    The face on the ground anointed with Milk And Honey recording
    The Mars lunar conjunct of 8 December 2022 was an occultation, so astronomically close it was a sort of eclipse.

    The Saturnin interval following the Saturn lunar trine ends with the Neptune lunar square (6:13 pm CET).

    Dusk (4:45 pm CET) causes Fortune to leap from 21 degrees 39 minutes Sagittarius (slightly above the Ecliptic) to 11 degrees 8 minutes in the same sign, slightly below the Ecliptic.

    Then Venus has its debasing moment reaching the Descendant 8 December 2022 5:32 pm CET [/ 11:32 am EST / 8:32 am PST]: this arrives when Fortune is at 22 degrees 28 minutes Sagittarius, in direct opposition with the Moon at 22 degrees 18
    minutes Gemini. The Sun and Mars remain roughly in opposition at a slightly different angle.

    So the Venus falling for Geneva 8 December 2022 5:32pm CET is the presumed triggering condition for the double cataclysm of fire and flood.

    Also at that moment the Vertex opposes Ouranos along the Sixth and Twelfth House cusps.

    It is not until the Neptune lunar square that the genuine Saturnin interval concludes.
    Since Brittney Griner was released in a swap for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who had served eleven years of a twenty-five year sentence, this situation could apply to the theme of 'one captive eating the other' from III.13 and IV.38.

    Viktor Bout could be the proud or conceited one who escapes captivity in II.92.

    The female athlete (Gymnique) captive held as hostage from IV.41 seems applicable, unclear about line 2 where guards are deceived by night.

    A captive lady is conducted through Turkey in IV.58, uncertain if that was the route.

    In VII.18 there is a captive lady who had woven peace.

    Perhaps relating to Bout, IX.92 has a freed captive speaking and acting falsely.

    The details within each of these quatrains should be examined further for potential current confluences.

    II.92

    Fire color of gold in the sky viewed from land
    Struck from the high-born, marvelous deed accomplished
    Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken
    Deaths as spectacles, the conceited one escaped

    The high-born one could be Jupiter at Geneva's Vault Apex. The nephew phrase is cryptic.

    III.13

    By lightning in the arc, gold and silver melted
    Of the two captives one will consume the other
    For the city the greatest extension
    When submerged the fleet will swim

    Again this presents the glittering metals theme of V.66, like II.92 - and -

    IV.38

    Before the assault one will eat the other
    Melted metal will follow the trail of blood

    Finally, a very clear picture of Brittney Griner as 'Gymnique' -

    IV.41

    Gymnique sexe captive par otage
    Viendra de nuit custodes decevoir

    Female athlete held captive as hostage
    Custodians will come to be deceived by night

    So the Griner release appears to be yet another precursor for the double cataclysm.
    Venus to be conjoined by Fortune 8 December 2022 5:58 pm CET, fifteen minutes before the genuine Saturnin period becomes the Corinth-Ephesus perplexity situation.

    When reversing the name John Lennon, the result sounded like Men of Mars' - the Moon past the occultation conjunct with Mars seems ominous.

    Three Grand Trines were found in the assassination scenario for John in 1980: before, during and after, in a short span of time with a planetary bucket configuration, using conceptual points and asteroid outliers.

    An upright Grand Trine (during the murder) with the Midheaven point including the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as one of its base points, with the Vertex on the other side.
    Since this massively fatal cataclysmic incident is apparently imminent, last-minute reassessments have to take into account the actual circumstances.

    The interval between the Neptune lunar square [8 December 2022 6:13 pm CET] and the Pallas lunar adjacency [9 December 2022 1:04 am CET] had Saturn reaching the Descendant 9:54 pm CET, however this did not involve Venus.

    Reconsidering II.66, IX.44, III.3 and relevant quatrains brings a new scenario.

    The Pallas lunar adjacency after the Neptune lunar square could be the 'Palace' by which people are trapped in II.66: so the perplexity of Corinth and Ephesus would be the prior condition that is disturbed.

    Going beyond the Pallas adjacency is the fateful moment when Venus is debased at the Nadir in the Geneva chart, 9 December 2022 1:19 am CET (only fifteen minutes later).

    The subsequent lunar aspect is an adjacency with Lilith (very near Pallas) at 1:59 am CET.

    Venus at the Nadir does not find Saturn significantly engaged for IX.44 - however, since Fortune moves swiftly, it arrives into adjacency with Saturn (both at 20 degrees 24 minutes) 9 December 2022 1:25 am CET [/ 8 December 2022 7:25 pm EST / 4:
    25 pm PST].

    The Saturn-Fortune adjacency is a minor aspect that might be difficult to detect even with advanced programs.

    And Venus will still be identifiably close to the Nadir, with only six minutes having elapsed from that point: Mercury does not reach the Nadir until 1:39 am CET, nearly fifteen minutes after the critical subtle participation of Saturn.
    Current events (such as the death of Kirstie Alley, and release of Brittney Griner) have established the double cataclysm of fire and flood (the Anaxagoric Revolution from the Preface) will occur soon, before the Great Mercury Reign has concluded
    with the entry of Venus into Capricorn 10 December 2022 4:55 am CET.

    The amazing judicial astrology strongly indicates the evening of Friday, 9 December 2022 for Geneva, consulting animated local charts.

    Soon after 4 pm CET a Lunar Grand Trine forms with Vesta and the Vertex: this peaks around 4:30 pm CET, with Fortune conjoining Venus; it dissipates around 5 pm CET, as the Vertex joins the South Node. Vesta is at the Apex, tipping towards the
    right.

    When Dusk arrives at 4:45 pm CET, the jump for Fortune is from the position of Mercury (3 degrees 12 minutes Capricorn) to 1 degree 23 minutes Sagittarius.

    The extraordinary moment is synchronized with the perfected Mercury lunar opposition at 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET:

    Both the Cancer Moon and Mercury in Capricorn at 4 degrees 3 minutes in their respective signs;

    Simultaneously, Saturn reaches the Midheaven point in trine with the Ascendant;

    And a new Grand Trine materializes with the East Point augmenting the trine relationship of Pluto and Ceres, rejuvenating what had been observed initially as a Lunar Grand Trine previously.

    It is as if Saturn passing the skewed Midheaven point creates an effect like cyclist Miss Gulch becoming the Wicked Witch riding a broomstick in the cyclone scene from "The Wizard Of Oz" -

    Saturn itself will convert gold to sword

    The innocuous Vertex Grand Trine vanishing as the sinister East Point Grand Trine suddenly becomes prominent happens while Venus-Babylon is still descending alone towards the Ecliptic, being made to receive the contents of the Cup of Divine Fury on
    her way down.

    Then Neptune ascends to the highest Apex of the celestial Vault, on the Eleventh House cusp, around 5 pm CET.

    The East Point Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres is pivoting on the Ceres-Fulcrum, tipping towards a balanced-level orientation for the top trine line.

    This could be the Corinth perplexity, shortly following the Saturn at Midheaven moment; the Moon as Ephesus is itself occupied in Mercury opposition. Thus the perplexity has Neptune and the Moon separately engaged in different ways.

    Since Ceres and Jupiter are in near opposition, Ceres reaches the False Nadir at 5:15 pm CET - by then the East Point Grand Trine has degraded into non-existence.

    Jupiter follows Neptune at the Eleventh House cusp near-vertical Apex point at 5:20 pm CET, which may be the striking of the High-Born from II.92.

    Venus descends beneath the Ecliptic at 5:34 pm CET.

    So there seems to be close focus on a brief interval, alternating between which celestial bodies are crossing the actual Midheaven point versus the Eleventh House cusp false Prime Vertical, as Evening Star Venus sets for Geneva after Sunset.

    The sequence appears to conclude when Vesta follows Saturn at the true Midheaven point 9 December 2022 5:53 pm CET: this moment is also Moonrise; it finds Mercury at the Descendant; and the Sun is conjoined by the Part of Fortune. Also the Vertex
    briefly nearly achieves reinstating a Grand Trine between Neptune and the Lilith-Pallas pairing.

    The 'Tipping Urn' making its ominous phantom appearance once Saturn crossing Midheaven sets up Venus for an unpleasant fall below the horizon -

    So the critical time would be 9 December 2022 4:55 pm CET / 10:55 am EST / 7:55 am PST.

    The Moon will not make a conjunction beyond Mars until 11 December 2022.

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    Car selon les signes celestes,
    Le regne de Saturne sera de retour,
    Que le tout calcule,
    Le monde s'approche d'une anaragonique revolution

    ...Because according to the celestial signs,
    The reign of Saturn will return -
    So that all things being calculated,
    The world will then be approaching an Anaxagoric revolution

    The subtext to that Preface passage is that the 6 January 2021 Capitol rampage was during perhaps the critical initial reign of Saturn, whose astrological reprise will be 7 to 16 March 2023. (The preceding Preface sentence described the prior pre-
    Saturn reign condition from 18 December 2017, with the Sun progressing slightly before Saturn at the end of a lunar course).

    The Greek philosopher Anaxagoras predicted the world ending through a fire and flood cataclysm.
    The extra-mile towards the elusive cataclysmic timing endeavor goes into the uncanny realm of an impression, rather than a precise calculation. Some of the daily parameters recur with slight alterations that make a tremendous difference. And the
    Great Mercury Reign is itself taken as a precursor, heralding a new Venusian Reign for her debasement.

    The first clue this may be the right track is the Geneva charts for 11 December 2022 8:14 am CET: Fortune jumps from the proximity of Ouranos to the Moon, which is nearing conjunct with Pallas, as suggested by II.66. This is the key to the complex
    solution for the timing devices: once the Moon aligns with Pallas and Lilith, it reinforces the Grand Trine potential span, opening it temporarily to a wider interaction.

    The Moon conjoins Pallas 12:39 pm CET (ending the post-Mars interval); the lunar conjunct for Lilith takes place 2:47 pm CET.

    Dusk at 4:45 pm CET causes Fortune to leap from Pluto in Capricorn to the South Node with the Vertex in Scorpio.

    Saturn reaches the skewed Midheaven point 4:47 pm CET, and again immediately there appears in the wake of that crossing the downward-pointing Grand Trine with the East Point joining Pluto and Ceres (with the latter as Fulcrum); this prodigy again
    dissipates quickly, around 5:03 pm CET.

    Neptune reaches the Eleventh House cusp Apex point 4:52 pm CET; Jupiter follows at 5:13 pm CET.

    Venus reaches the Descendant 5:37 pm CET, but shortly before that happens, the beginnings of an awesome larger design emerge, as the Vertex-Fortune pairing moves together into the position for an augmented Grand Trine.

    Neptune cannot aspect directly with the Moon, yet is close to Jupiter which can: the association makes for an expanded image.

    The Pallas-Lilith-Moon alignment allows for a Reinforced Grand Trine with Jupiter-Neptune as a Double-Peak, completed by the Vertex and Fortune acting in tandem. This strengthened impression of a Grand Trine thus fortuitously includes both the Moon
    and Neptune, despite it not being the time for them to make a genuine aspect - because they are both caught up in 'The Grand Trine Of Perplexity.'


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