• Re: My Take on Lennon's Final Days

    From Joe Mahoney@21:1/5 to Mister Charlie on Wed Feb 16 12:26:13 2022
    On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 9:49:50 AM UTC-4, Mister Charlie wrote:
    According to most of John Lennon's biographers, Lennon had an absolute
    horror of cremation, a practice that he argued against and once
    considered protesting against in a song. Despite his aversion, the
    Widow Lennon arranged to have his body burned. And from the Channel
    4 documentary "The Real John Lennon," it is clear that none of his
    family in England were consulted about this cavalier disposal of his
    corpse.
    John's 5 year old son Sean wasn't told the awful news until the
    morning of 10 December, two days after the murder happened.
    Understandably distraught, little Sean asked to see his father one
    last time, so Lennon's assistant Fred Seaman rang security man Douglas MacDougal at Ferncliff Mortuary and asked him to hold off on the
    cremation so that Sean could see his dad for the last time. It was
    too late. The body had already been burned.
    But it gets worse.
    According to Seaman's account in his excellent book "The Last Days of
    John Lennon", MacDougal told him that John's face had been serene and
    calm until just before the body entered the gas oven, when suddenly it contorted into a "pained, macabre grin" (a la Mr. Sardonicus)
    apparently due to advanced rigor mortis.
    MacDougal had also warned Yoko a couple of months before the murder
    that the Lennons were running crazy risks by making their daily
    routine public and not having proper bodyguards. She told him she had
    no intention of arranging for John to have bodyguards.
    I believe there was something profoundly sinister about John's
    reclusive final years with the astrology obsessed Yoko Ono and her
    mind control techniques.
    George Harrison once said of visits to the Dakota, "I always felt
    there was something more that he wanted to say but didn't feel able to
    say or was afraid to. There was a sad, sometimes frightened look in
    his eyes." Look at some pictures of Lennon in the studio not long
    before his death at www.vintagebb.com/lennon.html
    He doesn't look like a well man to me.

    Where did John express his opposition or revulsion to cremation?

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  • From curtissdubois@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mister Charlie on Fri Feb 18 07:10:51 2022
    On Saturday, October 23, 2004 at 9:49:50 AM UTC-4, Mister Charlie wrote:
    According to most of John Lennon's biographers, Lennon had an absolute
    horror of cremation, a practice that he argued against and once
    considered protesting against in a song. Despite his aversion, the
    Widow Lennon arranged to have his body burned. And from the Channel
    4 documentary "The Real John Lennon," it is clear that none of his
    family in England were consulted about this cavalier disposal of his
    corpse.
    John's 5 year old son Sean wasn't told the awful news until the
    morning of 10 December, two days after the murder happened.
    Understandably distraught, little Sean asked to see his father one
    last time, so Lennon's assistant Fred Seaman rang security man Douglas MacDougal at Ferncliff Mortuary and asked him to hold off on the
    cremation so that Sean could see his dad for the last time. It was
    too late. The body had already been burned.
    But it gets worse.
    According to Seaman's account in his excellent book "The Last Days of
    John Lennon", MacDougal told him that John's face had been serene and
    calm until just before the body entered the gas oven, when suddenly it contorted into a "pained, macabre grin" (a la Mr. Sardonicus)
    apparently due to advanced rigor mortis.
    MacDougal had also warned Yoko a couple of months before the murder
    that the Lennons were running crazy risks by making their daily
    routine public and not having proper bodyguards. She told him she had
    no intention of arranging for John to have bodyguards.
    I believe there was something profoundly sinister about John's
    reclusive final years with the astrology obsessed Yoko Ono and her
    mind control techniques.
    George Harrison once said of visits to the Dakota, "I always felt
    there was something more that he wanted to say but didn't feel able to
    say or was afraid to. There was a sad, sometimes frightened look in
    his eyes." Look at some pictures of Lennon in the studio not long
    before his death at www.vintagebb.com/lennon.html
    He doesn't look like a well man to me.

    He doesn't look particularly healthy in the last photographs, I agree. He also admittedly had a chronic cough from the decades of smoking.

    Yoko said that a single glass of wine would make him unable to function for a day. A single glass?!?

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  • From curtissdubois@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 18 07:17:27 2022
    On Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 12:01:35 AM UTC-4, LongTallSally11 wrote:
    [Mister Charlie or his clone]
    He doesn't look like a well man to me.
    [Jeff]
    5 years changes someone. I see nothing that
    looks like he's not well. He might look 5 years older?
    I agree. About a year ago, I was in a library and saw a
    book of mostly photographs of John, Yoko and Sean
    during the last five years of his life. (I forget the name
    of the book.) I too had once thought his face didn't look
    very good in 1980. But many of the photos in the book
    showed John with his shirt off or in short pants,
    and as I recall, in swimming trunks. After reading
    so much nonsense about his personal life, which
    included rumors about his physical deterioration,
    I was pleasantly surprised at how healthy he looked.
    Yes, he was thin, but his muscle tone was quite good,
    like he'd been weight lifting or working out. He didn't
    look like a body builder or someone obsessed
    with that sort of thing, but his muscle tone was quite
    good. He definitely did not look like someone with
    cancer or a serious illness. Face it, he'd been
    extremely thin since about 1969. It just showed up
    in his face when he hit 40. I suspect too, he was
    very nervous about coming back into public life,
    and the apprehension was present in his face in
    many photos.
    Salvador
    ===
    Ordering information for Salvador Astucia's books can be found at http://www.jfkmontreal.com/raveningwolf/
    Also see Astucia's homepage: http://www.jfkmontreal.com

    This was the book by the Japanese photographer, right? I agree that John looked fine in some of those pics. But most of them were taken well before 1980. Sean is a baby in lots of them. And the pics from 1980 do show a much thinner, less healthy
    looking John.

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  • From Emma Smulders@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 18 07:33:12 2022
    Op vrijdag 18 februari 2022 om 16:17:30 UTC+1 schreef curtis...@gmail.com:
    On Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 12:01:35 AM UTC-4, LongTallSally11 wrote:
    [Mister Charlie or his clone]
    He doesn't look like a well man to me.
    [Jeff]
    5 years changes someone. I see nothing that
    looks like he's not well. He might look 5 years older?
    I agree. About a year ago, I was in a library and saw a
    book of mostly photographs of John, Yoko and Sean
    during the last five years of his life. (I forget the name
    of the book.) I too had once thought his face didn't look
    very good in 1980. But many of the photos in the book
    showed John with his shirt off or in short pants,
    and as I recall, in swimming trunks. After reading
    so much nonsense about his personal life, which
    included rumors about his physical deterioration,
    I was pleasantly surprised at how healthy he looked.
    Yes, he was thin, but his muscle tone was quite good,
    like he'd been weight lifting or working out. He didn't
    look like a body builder or someone obsessed
    with that sort of thing, but his muscle tone was quite
    good. He definitely did not look like someone with
    cancer or a serious illness. Face it, he'd been
    extremely thin since about 1969. It just showed up
    in his face when he hit 40. I suspect too, he was
    very nervous about coming back into public life,
    and the apprehension was present in his face in
    many photos.
    Salvador
    ===
    Ordering information for Salvador Astucia's books can be found at http://www.jfkmontreal.com/raveningwolf/
    Also see Astucia's homepage: http://www.jfkmontreal.com
    This was the book by the Japanese photographer, right? I agree that John looked fine in some of those pics. But most of them were taken well before 1980. Sean is a baby in lots of them. And the pics from 1980 do show a much thinner, less healthy
    looking John.

    Actually I thought John looked better at the end of 1980 than before. Some pics of him in Japan from 1978 or something look pretty bad. And then there's that one where he's in a plane from South Africa. He looked pretty bad.

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