• McMaster-Carr is Awesome

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 11:09:44 2022
    I am not sure if it was in this group or another I read, but I recall
    somebody recalling being told by McMaster Carr to take their business elsewhere.  It sounded pretty bad, but it didn't sound anything like my experiences with McMaster-Carr.  Yeah I went around a bit with my tax
    exempt reseller/manufacturer status, but I filled out the form the way
    THEY wanted and I have not had any issue since.

    Mostly I order something and it arrives.  Since they have a distribution center in the same state I usually get it the next business day.  Late
    at night because UPS refuses to deliver to my business on the business schedule, but if I stay in the shop late I can use the part or tool that
    day.  That's on UPS, not McMaster.  They process quick and ship right
    away.  Often before they process my payment, and if there is a problem
    with my payment they still ship it and ask me to cover it later.  That's
    just everyday service from McMaster.  I am a regular customer purchasing
    a few thousand dollars a year from them, but I am by absolutely no means
    a big important customer.  Not even a medium size important customer. 
    On their scale I am a very small unimportant customer.

    I ordered some stock from them.  It was not the best price, but not unreasonably high either.  I expected to have it the next day... late at
    night when UPS got around to me... but I planned to wait up, cut it
    down, and get my customers finished parts shipped today.   I checked tracking... and it was delayed and sent to the wrong address with no
    estimate of delivery.  Same state and sourced in the same city as their distribution hub in the state.  I contacted UPS directly and the message
    I received back was a veiled threat to just return my package to the
    shipper.  I was stunned.  UPS (as a company) has never treated me well,
    but this was unreal.  The local drivers I have currently are quite good
    and the local counter guys at the depot are nice enough, but the general treatment from UPS has always been "you are nobody and if you don't like
    it do without" (speaking sarcastically of course).  Don't get me wrong. 
    Over time Fed-Ex DHL, and USPS all have their issues.

    I didn't know what to do.  I told "Mario" at UPS I wanted my package
    that I already paid for.  I also contacted McMaster-Carr and explained
    what happened.  Their response took a little while.  I received an email
    30 minutes later saying "We have shipped you a replacement by Fed-Ex
    with by noon delivery and we are not charging you for the shipping.  Do
    you want to accept the order from UPS when it arrives or would you like
    us to intercept it for return."  This was well after normal business
    hours.  Unless Fed-Ex picks up from them really late somebody had to
    take that over to the Fed-Ex main depot for that to happen.  They didn't
    ask what they could do or what I wanted them to do.  They just did it.

    During all the Covid shortages and delays McMaster reliably had stock, hardware, and tools on my doorstep the next day.  (Late at night due to
    UPS of course.)  I buy quite a lot of small hardware from them the last
    year or two.  They are not the best price and I never get free freight,
    but I get it reliably. Even though they may not be the best price
    (sometimes they are, but not often) they usually aren't as much more
    expensive as they get credit for.  Ok, on a lot of raw stock they are,
    but again, not all of it.  I most of my PTFE (recycled) stock from them
    for example.

    This experience and day to day reliability is worth a lot to me.  A lot
    more than a few dollars on a several hundred dollar order.

    And prices are not THAT bad.  It does annoy me they don't list brands on
    their website, but I've never really had an issue with the brand when it arrives.  Its almost always a top name brand.  I recently started a
    project where I need to install a bunch of 3/16 stainless steel closed
    end rivets.  The big A shaped compound tool from Harbor Freight for
    around $20 (I think it may have been discontinued) does a great job, but
    it won't fit in some areas.  I needed a little shorter right angle tool
    that would do the job.  I tried one of Harbor Freights cheap pnuematics
    and it slipped on the stainless mandrel for a 3/16 rivet.  I returned it
    the same day.  I would have tried the Harbor Freight high end pneumatic
    tool for $154.95, but they were out of stock.  I went online and ordered
    the "economy" tool from McMAster Carr.  The specs said it would handle
    3/16 stainless rivets so I figured it was worth a try.  I had it the
    next day (late at night no thanks to UPS).  I was working so it was a
    couple days before I unboxed it.  It turned out to be made by Chicago Pneumatic.  (Not Central Pneumatic).  I have heard their reputation
    tarnished once or twice, but my dad always had all Chicago Pneumatic air
    tools in his shop and still does.  Many of those tools are 30-40 years
    old and still work.  Anyway I am pleased that it is a known quality
    brand I am familiar with.  That is my typical experience with
    McMaster-Carr.  Price difference over Harbor Freight Chief?  $15.  Ok I
    had to pay shipping.  LOL.  I got a better name tool I know I will have support for, and I had it the next day.  It works.

    Maybe every dollar counts for you, but bear in mind that your time is
    finite.  Time is more valuable than anything else.  Its a nonrenewable resource for your shop.  Getting what you need at a reasonable price in
    a reasonable time saves a lot of time.  I'm not saying you should buy everything from McMaster (I don't), but if you NEED something they are
    always worth checking.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Tue Mar 8 14:31:44 2022
    On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:09:44 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    <snip>
    And prices are not THAT bad.  It does annoy me they don't list brands on >their website, but I've never really had an issue with the brand when it >arrives.  Its almost always a top name brand...

    Sometimes when I select their "Product Detail" link, like for your
    item you can get brand info:

    https://www.mcmaster.com/6684A76/

    Just see "Made in Taiwan" this time though... but when you farther
    explore the "Related Products" on same page it lists them as "For
    Manufacturer -- Chicago Pneumatic":

    11-Piece Seal Kit for Mandrel-Collecting Economy Air-Powered Tool for
    Blind Rivets:

    https://www.mcmaster.com/6684A85/

    I've only ordered from them a couple times in years past but was
    pleased with speed and service :)

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  • From Carl@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Tue Mar 8 14:28:46 2022
    On 3/8/22 13:31, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:09:44 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    <snip>
    And prices are not THAT bad.  It does annoy me they don't list brands on
    their website, but I've never really had an issue with the brand when it
    arrives.  Its almost always a top name brand...

    Sometimes when I select their "Product Detail" link, like for your
    item you can get brand info:

    https://www.mcmaster.com/6684A76/

    Just see "Made in Taiwan" this time though... but when you farther
    explore the "Related Products" on same page it lists them as "For Manufacturer -- Chicago Pneumatic":

    11-Piece Seal Kit for Mandrel-Collecting Economy Air-Powered Tool for
    Blind Rivets:

    https://www.mcmaster.com/6684A85/

    I've only ordered from them a couple times in years past but was
    pleased with speed and service :)


    If you want to know the brand just call them and ask. I've done it
    several times over the years and they've never hesitated to tell me.
    Even gave me the manufacturers part number, so I could go to their
    website to check some obscure spec I needed to know. They are the gold standard in customer service.

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    Carl

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 11:19:39 2022
    I think its a curse. Every time I promote some other business and say
    how well they take care of me something goes sideways. Almost instantly.

    I paid for the original shipment, and I paid for the duplicate shipment.
    I was clear I would accept both. I received a tracking notice a few
    minutes ago saying the lost/delayed shipment had been delivered. It had
    not been. I checked tracking and it showed it was returned.

    I contacted UPS thinking they had made good on their threat, and they
    claim McMaster is the one who requested it be returned. I paid for both shipments.


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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Mar 9 12:46:16 2022
    On 3/9/2022 11:19 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I think its a curse.  Every time I promote some other business and say
    how well they take care of me something goes sideways.  Almost instantly.

    I paid for the original shipment, and I paid for the duplicate shipment.
     I was clear I would accept both.  I received a tracking notice a few minutes ago saying the lost/delayed shipment had been delivered.  It had
    not been.  I checked tracking and it showed it was returned.

    I contacted UPS thinking they had made good on their threat, and they
    claim McMaster is the one who requested it be returned.  I paid for both shipments.



    DEAR UPS

    I did contact McMaster Carr and they categorically deny requesting the
    shipment be returned. One of you is lying. Given McMaster Carr's
    exemplary record of customer service and Mario's implied threat it
    should be obvious whom I chose to believe.

    Sincerely,
    Bob La Londe - CNC Molds N Stuff
    Owner and final decision maker.


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