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This was originally posted by "Delvin Benet," another of my excellent pseudonyms. It establishes that scooter *is* a drunken Virginia camper, and that
he is lying when he says "I'm not in Virginia."
On 1/17/2013 7:53 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in news:d7CdndUoWLM5BWrNnZ2dnUVZ5qmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 1/16/2013 7:30 PM, Scout wrote:
"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in message
news:GKSdnXzrBKJt_2rNnZ2dnUVZ5sOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
On 1/16/2013 6:27 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in
news:5KidnazYWdmyx2rNnZ2dnUVZ5jednZ2d@giganews.com:
On 1/16/2013 5:14 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in
news:gbadneBkcoMgqGrNnZ2dnUVZ5qadnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 1/16/2013 3:05 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
On 1/16/2013 5:50 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestroyEverything@blackhole.nebulax.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in news:50F72A95.7060405@blackhole.nebulax.com:
On 1/16/2013 5:02 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
Gunner <gunnerasch@gmail.com> wrote in
news:elkcf8teogaeheccjuti8qmv3pdtqrtmjh@4ax.com:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:30:31 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in
news:Gt-dnWWn8clkTmjNnZ2dnUVZ5rOdnZ2d@giganews.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 1/15/2013 1:55 PM, Sid9 wrote:
"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in message
news:Pv2dnd9QjIHcUGjNnZ2dnUVZ5qmdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/15/2013 1:23 PM, Sid9 wrote:
"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:BYidnSAAR9HHW2jNnZ2dnUVZ5qSdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/14/2013 4:13 PM, Sid9 wrote:
"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:F8adnQPpIoqhD2nNnZ2dnUVZ5sadnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/14/2013 3:08 PM, Sid9 wrote:
"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:gJCdnYTNG-tiE2nNnZ2dnUVZ5hOdnZ2d@giganews.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
On 1/14/2013 2:55 PM, Sid9 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Delvin Benet" <DB@nbc.nýt> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xvKdnXgBGPNXFGnNnZ2dnUVZ5jqdnZ2d@giganews.co >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m...
On 1/14/2013 2:37 PM, Sid9 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message
news:XnsA14862AF09C2Ehopewell@216.196.121.131.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
Transition Zone <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in news:f9361767-d3b0-46cc- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a686-4d519cca17b8@a15g2000vbf.googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
Stats say that there are FEWER murders per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capita in France than in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the US.
(gun control that WORKS) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Different culture....different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demographics....different sets of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems. Or did you sleep through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
--
Sleep well, tonight..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
RD (The Sandman
that part of class?
If law school is so hard to get through.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how come there are so many lawyers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
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Different equals more deaths in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States...... Many more!
3.0 France
10.2 United States
2009 per 100,000 pop)
....and it's OK with you!
The United States has a non-firearm homicide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate of about 5.5 per
100,000 population. France has a *total* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homicide rate of about about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 per 100,000 population. In other words, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our non-
firearm
homicide
rate is four times France's total homicide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate, and gun control would
do nothing to lower it (actually, it would make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it *worse*)...and that's OK with you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gun deaths currently have equaled and near >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceeded auto deaths. Cars get safer.....guns? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No change
Guns aren't intended to be safe for the person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shot, you idiot.
I guess you can find numbers that justify 30,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm deaths
No one is trying to justify any firearm deaths >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except for left-wing Democrats, who won't do a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing to suppress urban violent crime, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who in fact encourage it.
The fact is, you know-nothing simpletons aren't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested in the least in preventing firearm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths; that's just your smokescreen. What you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want to do is disarm the
American
public, as tyrants
have always wanted to do.
What do you propose to reduce firearm deaths? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lock up criminals.
But again: all your handwringing over firearm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths is insincere. The vast majority of firearm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deaths are committed by inner city criminals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killing their own neighbors - people you don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really care about. Mass murders like Newtown are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely infrequent - barely
a statistical blip in the
numbers.
You're just using that as a pretext to try to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seize the guns
from millions of law-abiding Americans whose guns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are never
used
in any crimes. You want to deny Americans the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
defend
themselves against the very thugs you enable and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coddle.
We have more people in jail than any other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industrialized
nation.
Freedom loving America, the greatest jailor in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history!
The firearms, for example, in the NYC's case come up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I-95 from more permissive states.
There's no wall
There's no boundaries.
There are huge areas where guns in the USA are just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. I haven't heard any proposals to take those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guns away. Nor should they be taken away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Guns do not belong in NYC, Chicago. LA, D.C., Miami >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or places like that.
Proving, as I said all along, that all you want to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is confiscate guns.
Guns *DO* belong in NYC, Chicago. LA, D.C., Miami and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> places like that. Those places are full of citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the US, who have a second amendment-protected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right to keep firearms.
You are just going to have to accommodate yourself to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that fact.
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One day enough Americans will die in a gun related >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atrocity that will change all that.
No. The fact of the second amendment isn't going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. It will never be constitutionally repealed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It never will...however, there is a USSC decision that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could link
the
second amendment to membership in a militia.
That's already handled. The militia is the people. This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is very
well
understood in second amendment and other jurisprudence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The militia most definitely is *NOT* some state-created >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entity like the national guard. This is even recognized >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in US law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But it also is recognized in numerous Supreme Court >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions.
The Supreme Court has *already* explicitly said that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second amendment does not require being a member of some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organized military entity like the national guard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You're just fucked - well and truly fucked - in your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to get guns out of the hands of law-abiding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private citizens.
There are two senses of militia. Kind of a "two hat" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory. There
are
is the national militia, armed and regulated in ArtI(8)(15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16) and then there is the state militias which are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> referred to in the Second Amendment. Keep in mind that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Constitution was primarily written by the federalists >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who preferred a strong central government after the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure of the Articles of Confederation. The Bill of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights was primarily written by the anti federalist who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feared a strong central government that could ride >>>>>>>>>>>>>> roughshod over state soveriegnty.
Correct. And the National Guard was not formed into 1907. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Constitution was written in 1782 well over 125 years >>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier.
So by those very dates..when the Founders put pen to paper >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the Militia..they certainly were NOT talking about >>>>>>>>>>>>> the National Guard
While true, over time the National Guard has assumed the >>>>>>>>>>>> mission and the identity of the militia....both nationally >>>>>>>>>>>> and in the state.
Only if there's an amendment that says that.
The constitution doesn't change unless you follow Article 5. >>>>>>>>>>>
Who claimed that the Constitution changed? I simply said that >>>>>>>>>> the current National Guard has assumed the role formerly held >>>>>>>>>> by the militia.
By what authority?
It's not a question of "authority", you doofus. Simply, tasks
for which the unorganized militia once would have been called
out are now handled by the organized militia.
Which currently is the National Guard. However it wasn't always
thus since the Guard didn't come into being until many decades
had passed.
There is still a Militia they never left.
The unorganized militia is never called out; they never train, >>>>>>>> there is no discipline, no "regulation." For all intents, it no >>>>>>>> longer exists.
Yet it does.
No, it doesn't.
I have already posted the compenents of the militia both federal
and in my state. Do you think those folks are lying?
Federal statute makes reference to an unorganized militia. In fact,
it hasn't been called out in close to two centuries.
Odd, the governor called us not that long ago.
Bullshit.
Those reasons you gave above are why it is considered the
"unorganized militia" in lieu of being part of the organized
militia or National Guard today.
In colonial days, the unorganized militia were required to muster
for training from time to time. It wasn't much - a few days - but
it was something. Men were required to furnish their own arms and
keep them in working order, and punishment was meted for failure
to do so.
People in the National Guard are called to muster for training from
time to time. You also have some who are there full time, but not
all of them.
*NO ONE* in the unorganized militia is ever called to muster.
I'm mustered several times a year.
Bullshit.
Your Civil War reenactment thespian group is not a militia.
There has been nothing like that for well over 160 years.
Damn, I will have to notify those Guardsmen
We're talking about the unorganized militia. Guardsmen are part of
the organized militia.
Sure, but they aren't the extent of the militia, and some militia
that the federal government deems as unorganized is organized and not
part of the National Guard.
What I'm missing from you is that statute or requirement that says
the militia has to be mustered in order for it to exist.
*Effectively*, the unorganized militia does not exist. There is no
mechanism in any state for mustering it.
Yes. there is. Go check your own state laws before you make more of a
fool of yourself.
No, there isn't.
You were bullshitting above.
If you and your buddies in some private - and illegal - militia go
camping in the woods, that doesn't qualify.
Keep in mind that his state, Virginia, also has a State Defense Force.
Right. It is part of the *organized* militia, not the unorganized militia. The VDF is a volunteer militia; the Virginia Code specifies:
§ 44-1. Composition of militia.
The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all
able-bodied residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of
the United States and all other able-bodied persons resident in
the Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become
citizens of the United States, who are at least 16 years of age
and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of
age. The militia shall be divided into four classes: the
National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the
Air National Guard; the Virginia Defense Force; the naval
militia; and the unorganized militia.
scooter said he was called to muster recently, so he is likely a member of the VDF - a component of the *organized* militia in Virginia.
My claims stand and are intact: no state has a mechanism in place to call out its unorganized militia; no training is given to any of the unorganized militia;
*in effect*, the unorganized militia has ceased to exist.
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