• Re: Wind/Solar Generate RECORD Power World Wide In 2022 (CNBC) - got it

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Sun Jun 18 10:09:49 2023
    On 6/18/2023 9:45 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
    ‘Entering the clean power era’: Wind and solar generated a record amount of global power in 2022
    CNBC - April 12, 2023
    - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/12/wind-and-solar-generated-a-record-amount-of-global-power-in-2022.html


    And if the build just one more tower than goes into a landfill this year
    and managed to just one more solar panel than fails they will set a new
    record this year.

    I suspect that we set a new world record in all time miles of road last
    year too.



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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Sun Jun 18 21:01:26 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u6ndou$1n46s$1@dont-email.me...

    On 6/18/2023 9:45 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
    ‘Entering the clean power era’: Wind and solar generated a record amount of global power in 2022
    CNBC - April 12, 2023
    - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/12/wind-and-solar-generated-a-record-amount-of-global-power-in-2022.html


    And if the build just one more tower than goes into a landfill this year
    and managed to just one more solar panel than fails they will set a new
    record this year.

    I suspect that we set a new world record in all time miles of road last
    year too.
    Bob La Londe

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    Feeling superior is all that matters now. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2004/11/10/the-politics-of-self-esteem/5edf885a-c0f5-4565-8648-011467f06152/

    It's a replay of the old religious divide between the doctrines of faith
    versus good deeds. Those incapable of good deeds (or anything useful) denied their value and clung to parroting "correct" dogma to achieve righteousness
    and salvation. Now the misfits and losers try to demonize and punish the success they aren't capable of, like Aesop's fable of the fox and the
    grapes.

    https://mast.house.gov/2023/4/biden-continues-to-punish-hard-work

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 18:28:05 2023
    Most of the components of a regional solar powered electric grid are also required for an off-grid home installation, except the transmission lines. A small separately derived system still needs the panels, charge controller, batteries, inverters, monitoring, operator/repairman and an always-available back-up source for equipment failures or long overcast periods.

    If you really think solar is the answer, obtain your own system and
    experience and try to solve or at least understand the problems first-hand,
    so you can advocate from more than narrow personal needs. Instead of one full-time adequately sized power source you'll need to invest in three part-time ones for the same kilowatt-hour usage; the solar, the batteries
    and the back-up generator, and so does an electric utility.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Jun 20 09:40:53 2023
    On 6/19/2023 3:28 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    Most of the components of a regional solar powered electric grid are
    also required for an off-grid home installation, except the transmission lines. A small separately derived system still needs the panels, charge controller, batteries, inverters, monitoring, operator/repairman and an always-available back-up source for equipment failures or long overcast periods.

    If you really think solar is the answer, obtain your own system and experience and try to solve or at least understand the problems
    first-hand, so you can advocate from more than narrow personal needs.
    Instead of one full-time adequately sized power source you'll need to
    invest in three part-time ones for the same kilowatt-hour usage; the
    solar, the batteries and the back-up generator, and so does an electric utility.


    I have installed solar a few times, but it was for applications where
    power just wasn't available. Alarm systems in model homes and remote warehouses. All with cellular monitoring and communication. What I
    found was even here in SW Arizona where we once had a restaurant that advertised free meals any day the sun doesn't shine I needed a lot more
    solar capacity than you would think. At first I put up panels that
    should have done the job with some reserve capacity, and the batteries
    could carry the equipment solo for a couple days (when new), and after a
    week I started having low battery issues. I tied the solar charge
    controller directly into the gel cells, and programmed the panels to not
    report AC failure. It worked... for about a week. I figured I had 30%
    excess solar capacity going by the numbers, but I didn't. I doubled the
    solar panel size and it worked fine.

    On a marginally higher use system in a warehouse, I wired the charge
    controller into independent batteries, then used an inverter to power
    the panel and cellular unit. Then each of those had its own backup
    battery. It worked great, and I would get an AC warning well before the
    system went dead when the batteries ahead of the inverter got depleted.
    Never had a power issue with it, but I did get a complaint from one of
    their neighbors years later when the warehouse had been abandoned, and
    the batteries went bad as they always do. The panel went whacko as
    power dropped and went into alarm and the siren started sounding and
    resetting for a day and a half. I had no keys to the warehouse. I told
    them to call the realtor, and I never heard anything again.

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    Bob La Londe
    Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
    real machinist


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 20 15:52:30 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u6skqo$2g387$1@dont-email.me...

    I have installed solar a few times, but it was for applications where
    power just wasn't available. Alarm systems in model homes and remote warehouses. All with cellular monitoring and communication. What I
    found was even here in SW Arizona where we once had a restaurant that advertised free meals any day the sun doesn't shine I needed a lot more
    solar capacity than you would think. At first I put up panels that
    should have done the job with some reserve capacity, and the batteries
    could carry the equipment solo for a couple days (when new), and after a
    week I started having low battery issues. I tied the solar charge
    controller directly into the gel cells, and programmed the panels to not
    report AC failure. It worked... for about a week. I figured I had 30%
    excess solar capacity going by the numbers, but I didn't. I doubled the
    solar panel size and it worked fine.

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    An array that gets effectively 8 hours of full sun per day would have to be
    3 times the size of the load to carry the other 16 hours. Here it's more
    like 5 times. I see output halved by fairly thin haze or cirrus and cut to 1/10th or less by a storm.

    Surprisingly time of year has relatively little effect here because the
    winter air is cleaner and cold panels are more efficient. A low loss test
    setup can show the full rated output of a panel by mid-February.

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  • From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Fri Jun 23 08:26:01 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 6/18/2023 9:45 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
    ‘Entering the clean power era’: Wind and solar generated a record amount of global power in 2022
    CNBC - April 12, 2023
    - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/12/wind-and-solar-generated-a-record-amount-of-global-power-in-2022.html
    And if the build just one more tower than goes into a landfill this year
    and managed to just one more solar panel than fails they will set a new record this year.

    I suspect that we set a new world record in all time miles of road last
    year too.

    More and more solar and wind is used each year.

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 23 19:18:56 2023
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> on Mon, 19 Jun 2023 18:28:05
    -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
    Most of the components of a regional solar powered electric grid are also >required for an off-grid home installation, except the transmission lines. A >small separately derived system still needs the panels, charge controller, >batteries, inverters, monitoring, operator/repairman and an always-available >back-up source for equipment failures or long overcast periods.

    If you really think solar is the answer, obtain your own system and >experience and try to solve or at least understand the problems first-hand, >so you can advocate from more than narrow personal needs. Instead of one >full-time adequately sized power source you'll need to invest in three >part-time ones for the same kilowatt-hour usage; the solar, the batteries
    and the back-up generator, and so does an electric utility.

    OTOH - the original post was proud about the World RECORD power supplied by Wind/Solar. Because let's face it, if you install more inefficient part time electricity sources, why yes you will generate a
    "record amount".
    Still not enough to actually meet current demand for electricity.
    But you can polish your virtuosity because the fossil fuel plants
    aren't there to make up the needed demand.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 24 08:43:22 2023
    "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message news:6ekc9i9ijr0tj5oonbs5lprc9i4vogb7cp@4ax.com...

    ...But you can polish your virtuosity because the fossil fuel plants
    aren't there to make up the needed demand.
    pyotr filipivich

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
    "No one actually has to do anything. Virtue comes from mere words or even
    from silently held beliefs. There was a time in the distant past when people thought you could only be virtuous by doing things...[that] involve effort
    and self-sacrifice."

    If you want to make a meaningful rather than uselessly symbolic contribution then explore and promote ways to reduce your own household energy
    consumption, like drying laundry on a clothesline. I have a long list of effective ones, many that I've posted to little or no effect, but they
    require lifting a finger to take action personally instead of just trying to shame and feel superior to others, "Oh, I could never do that."

    https://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4460-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B000RGF29Q?th=1

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jun 24 08:41:11 2023
    On 6/24/2023 5:43 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "pyotr filipivich"  wrote in message news:6ekc9i9ijr0tj5oonbs5lprc9i4vogb7cp@4ax.com...

    ...But you can polish your virtuosity because the fossil fuel plants
    aren't there to make up the needed demand.
    pyotr filipivich

    ----------------------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling
    "No one actually has to do anything. Virtue comes from mere words or
    even from silently held beliefs. There was a time in the distant past
    when people thought you could only be virtuous by doing things...[that] involve effort and self-sacrifice."

    If you want to make a meaningful rather than uselessly symbolic
    contribution then explore and promote ways to reduce your own household energy consumption, like drying laundry on a clothesline. I have a long
    list of effective ones, many that I've posted to little or no effect,
    but they require lifting a finger to take action personally instead of
    just trying to shame and feel superior to others, "Oh, I could never do that."

    https://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4460-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B000RGF29Q?th=1


    For many virtue just comes from looking down on others.

    "Look at that disgusting working man covered in grease form fixing my
    car." The same car they aren't even competent to learn the skills to
    learn the skills.

    ... continued in the topic Virtue Signaling Vises



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