Hi all
Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do
is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but
quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building" tasks...
Regards,
On 19/04/2023 08:48, Richard Smith wrote:
Hi all
Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do
is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but
quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building"
tasks...
Regards,
I don't have one but a woodworker I used to know had a cheap one which
worked but when it died he went a bought a Makita IIRC to replace it and
he said it was much better than the cheap one and was glad he spent the
extra money.
On 4/19/2023 7:17 AM, David Billington wrote:
On 19/04/2023 08:48, Richard Smith wrote:
Hi all
Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do
is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but
quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building"
tasks...
Regards,
I don't have one but a woodworker I used to know had a cheap one which
worked but when it died he went a bought a Makita IIRC to replace it
and he said it was much better than the cheap one and was glad he
spent the extra money.
I remember when oscillating multi tools first started to become known.
Before they became the cult like fad they are today.
"Look you can use it like a saw." Yeah, but wouldn't a saw work better
as a saw?
"Look you can use it like a scraper." Yeah, but wouldn't a scraper make
a better scraper.
"Look you can use it like..." HOLDUP. Can I use it for setting rivets?
"We'll no."
How about as an engraver, "Maybe I guess."
Does it drill holes? "What?"
Can I drive nails with it? "Huh?"
What does it do better than the tool it emulates? "I don't know."
Okay. What does it do that no other tool does?
CHIRP! CHIRP! CHIRP!
Don't get me wrong. Obviously thousands of people have decided its a worthwhile tool. I am obviously wrong. I just don't understand it.
Making cricket noises naybe? Nah, a cricket does that much better.
P.S. I saw one used one time for a use that might have been difficult
for any other tool. They used it to cut the bottom edge off drywall to slide flooring underneath so they could seal a floor were the home owner didn't want baseboards. There is a whole lot wrong with that you can
unpack if you like, but there was one instance where I'm not sure of any other tool that would have done the job more efficiently. Maybe a
compact circular saw of some kind could have done it faster if the
spacing could be worked out.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 10:45:31 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 4/19/2023 7:17 AM, David Billington wrote:
On 19/04/2023 08:48, Richard Smith wrote:I remember when oscillating multi tools first started to become known.
Hi all Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do
is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but
quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building" >>>> tasks...
Regards,
I don't have one but a woodworker I used to know had a cheap one which
worked but when it died he went a bought a Makita IIRC to replace it
and he said it was much better than the cheap one and was glad he spent
the extra money.
Before they became the cult like fad they are today.
"Look you can use it like a saw." Yeah, but wouldn't a saw work better
as a saw?
What other kind of saw will make a plunge cut flush to a surface through a variety of materials including nails?
Okay. What does it do that no other tool does?
Besides fast accurate plunge cuts it fits in places no other saw will fit, and the sanding pad with 36 grit paper is great at stripping paint bits
left behind by scrapers and larger sanders. With the right cutter it is
the fastest way to cut in holes for electrical boxes in drywall or
plaster - sometimes speed matters.
P.S. I saw one used one time for a use that might have been difficult
for any other tool. They used it to cut the bottom edge off drywall to
slide flooring underneath so they could seal a floor were the home owner
didn't want baseboards. There is a whole lot wrong with that you can
unpack if you like, but there was one instance where I'm not sure of any
other tool that would have done the job more efficiently. Maybe a
compact circular saw of some kind could have done it faster if the
spacing could be worked out.
--
Bob La Londe Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button
Pushing, Not a real machinist
There are lots of uses where nothing else will do the job as fast. I have
2 of them, a cheap Ridgid corded tool which works fine but I no longer use because the Milwaukee M12 tool is easier to use especially on a ladder. I also considered the Milwaukee M18 tool, better for heavy duty work but
harder to use for precision plunge cuts per reviews. I only looked at Milwaukee because I already have their batteries, other brands could be as good.
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
On 4/19/2023 7:17 AM, David Billington wrote:
On 19/04/2023 08:48, Richard Smith wrote:I remember when oscillating multi tools first started to become known.
Hi all Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do
is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but
quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building"
tasks...
Regards,
I don't have one but a woodworker I used to know had a cheap one which
worked but when it died he went a bought a Makita IIRC to replace it
and he said it was much better than the cheap one and was glad he spent
the extra money.
Before they became the cult like fad they are today.
"Look you can use it like a saw." Yeah, but wouldn't a saw work better
as a saw?
Okay. What does it do that no other tool does?
P.S. I saw one used one time for a use that might have been difficult
for any other tool. They used it to cut the bottom edge off drywall to
slide flooring underneath so they could seal a floor were the home owner didn't want baseboards. There is a whole lot wrong with that you can
unpack if you like, but there was one instance where I'm not sure of any other tool that would have done the job more efficiently. Maybe a
compact circular saw of some kind could have done it faster if the
spacing could be worked out.
--
Bob La Londe Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a real machinist
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
On 4/19/2023 1:27 PM, Glen Walpert wrote:and toilet bolts
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
You did say it cuts nails...
--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:14:10 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>If you really want a good one & plan to use it & not let it sit get a Fein Multi master , I think their the best one out there . I use mine almost daily & i'm on my 3rd one but I have a HF budjet not a Fein budget . They are also very handy for removing
wrote:
On 4/19/2023 1:27 PM, Glen Walpert wrote:
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
You did say it cuts nails...and toilet bolts
--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a >real machinist
On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 7:22:22 PM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:14:10 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>If you really want a good one & plan to use it & not let it sit get a
wrote:
On 4/19/2023 1:27 PM, Glen Walpert wrote:and toilet bolts
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
You did say it cuts nails...
--
Bob La Londe Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button
Pushing, Not a real machinist
Fein Multi master , I think their the best one out there . I use mine
almost daily & i'm on my 3rd one but I have a HF budjet not a Fein
budget . They are also very handy for removing cast;s from arms & legs
.I'd like to see one cut nails .
animal
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:51:16 -0700 (PDT), Laura Allen wrote:
On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 7:22:22 PM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:Fein is definitely top of the line. I use Fein sanding pads & paper on my Milwaukee.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:14:10 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>If you really want a good one & plan to use it & not let it sit get a
wrote:
On 4/19/2023 1:27 PM, Glen Walpert wrote:and toilet bolts
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
You did say it cuts nails...
--
Bob La Londe Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button >> >Pushing, Not a real machinist
Fein Multi master , I think their the best one out there . I use mine almost daily & i'm on my 3rd one but I have a HF budjet not a Fein
budget . They are also very handy for removing cast;s from arms & legs .I'd like to see one cut nails .
animal
Nail cutting test:
https://youtu.be/joVfNnbweYY
There are also diamond blades for grout removal. They are a bit
expensive, so I am planning on cutting off a segment of old diamond
masonry blade and welding it to the end of a worn out bit, so I can plunge cut through stucco. I have heard of users welding pieces of hacksaw
blades to the end of worn out multitool blades also.
Glen
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:51:16 -0700 (PDT), Laura Allen wrote:
On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 7:22:22 PM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:14:10 -0700, Bob La Londe <no...@none.com99>If you really want a good one & plan to use it & not let it sit get a
wrote:
On 4/19/2023 1:27 PM, Glen Walpert wrote:and toilet bolts
Not too many metalworking uses though :-).
Glen
You did say it cuts nails...
--
Bob La Londe Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button
Pushing, Not a real machinist
Fein Multi master , I think their the best one out there . I use mine
almost daily & i'm on my 3rd one but I have a HF budjet not a Fein
budget . They are also very handy for removing cast;s from arms & legs
.I'd like to see one cut nails .
animal
Fein is definitely top of the line. I use Fein sanding pads & paper on my Milwaukee.
Nail cutting test:
https://youtu.be/joVfNnbweYY
There are also diamond blades for grout removal. They are a bit
expensive, so I am planning on cutting off a segment of old diamond
masonry blade and welding it to the end of a worn out bit, so I can plunge cut through stucco. I have heard of users welding pieces of hacksaw
blades to the end of worn out multitool blades also.
Glen
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 10:45:31 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 4/19/2023 7:17 AM, David Billington wrote:
On 19/04/2023 08:48, Richard Smith wrote:I remember when oscillating multi tools first started to become known.
Hi all Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do
is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but
quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building" >>>> tasks...
Regards,
I don't have one but a woodworker I used to know had a cheap one which
worked but when it died he went a bought a Makita IIRC to replace it
and he said it was much better than the cheap one and was glad he spent
the extra money.
Before they became the cult like fad they are today.
"Look you can use it like a saw." Yeah, but wouldn't a saw work better
as a saw?
What other kind of saw will make a plunge cut flush to a surface through a variety of materials including nails?
On 20/04/23 06:27, Glen Walpert wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 10:45:31 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 4/19/2023 7:17 AM, David Billington wrote:
On 19/04/2023 08:48, Richard Smith wrote:I remember when oscillating multi tools first started to become known.
Hi all Building work - repairs to a bricks-and-mortar house...
I need to get a "multitool".
Advice sought.
To disambiguate - I don't mean many-implements hand tools like a
"Leatherman" or a "Swiss Army Knife".
One version I have been briefed is that the "general rule" for
multitools is not the same as for angle-grinders.
I am used to never buying a "cheap" angle-grinder because it will
vibrate, get hot - just basically you wish what little you have to do >>>>> is over as soon as possible. Whereas I work at-ease all day with
"well-known brand" angle-grinders.
For "multitool" I have heard different - doesn't so much matter, but >>>>> quality of the cutting implements does matter.
This is all new to me. Only just had to get into "domestic building" >>>>> tasks...
Regards,
I don't have one but a woodworker I used to know had a cheap one which >>>> worked but when it died he went a bought a Makita IIRC to replace it
and he said it was much better than the cheap one and was glad he spent >>>> the extra money.
Before they became the cult like fad they are today.
"Look you can use it like a saw." Yeah, but wouldn't a saw work better
as a saw?
What other kind of saw will make a plunge cut flush to a surface through a >> variety of materials including nails?
You can buy flush-cutting diamond blades for an angle grinder, used
mostly for stonework. I modified an old one by grinding six "teeth"
into it using the bench grinder. It does a fine job of flush-cutting
timber (because of the teeth) and nails (because of the residual
diamond). Not for all-day use, but for the rare occasions where this
special cut is required.
I can imagine a job that a multi-tool would do better, but I've never encountered such a job in real life.
Clifford Heath
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