• Soon no new cancelled stamps?

    From Victor Manta@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 22 20:33:25 2018
    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
    temporarily.

    A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linn’s Sept. 18: “New Zealand Post is currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the
    accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of stamps by processing machines.”

    As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson said: “While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included envelopes.

    Source: https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition

    Victor Manta, PWO

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  • From Sir F.A. Rien@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 23 07:39:51 2018
    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail at least
    temporarily.

    A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linns Sept. 18: New Zealand Post is >currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the >accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of >stamps by processing machines.

    As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson >said: While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have >processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included >envelopes.

    Source: >https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition

    Other postal authorities have done some of this canccel 'skipping',
    notably Great Britain. The result is 'action' by postal clerks to
    'cancel' those stamps using ballpoint pens, sharpies or any other
    means at hand, including ripping portions of the stamps 'to deface
    against fraud'.

    Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp collecting.

    JA

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  • From Victor Manta@21:1/5 to Sir F.A. Rien on Sun Sep 23 19:47:54 2018
    "Sir F.A. Rien" wrote in message news:v79fqd5dc9sku9c69ct32ls169rspevb7n@4ax.com...

    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least >temporarily.

    <<
    Other postal authorities have done some of this canccel 'skipping',
    notably Great Britain. The result is 'action' by postal clerks to
    'cancel' those stamps using ballpoint pens, sharpies or any other
    means at hand, including ripping portions of the stamps 'to deface
    against fraud'.

    Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp collecting.


    This is not about manually damaging the stamps that weren't cancelled by the standard automatic devices but about somehow marking the stamps as used by a kind of invisible ink jet spitting device.

    You're right about "Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp
    collecting", it's exactly this.

    It will open a new collecting era of "Spit or Not Spit stamps". A cheap spit detecting device (about £199.99) will be sold by Stanley Gibbons to advanced collectors...

    Victor Manta, PWO

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  • From David E. Ross@21:1/5 to Victor Manta on Sun Sep 23 19:52:44 2018
    On 9/22/2018 5:33 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail at least
    temporarily.

    A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linns Sept. 18: New Zealand Post is currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of stamps by processing machines.

    As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson said: While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included envelopes.

    Source: https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition

    Victor Manta, PWO

    I live in California in the Unite States. Tax and fee payments to both
    the federal and state governments are considered paid on time if they
    are mailed with cancellations not later than the due date.

    I will have a property (real estate) tax payment to my county due on 10 December. As long as the envelope contains a postmark dated 10 December
    or earlier, I incur no penalty for a late payment even if the US Postal
    Service does not deliver the envelope two weeks later.

    If there is no cancellation, how do I prove I mailed the payment on time?

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  • From Pierre COURTIADE@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 24 07:52:27 2018
    Thank you Victor, Sir F.A. Rien and David for this very interesting
    discussion that I am relaying to the french speaking newsgroup on
    philately :
    news:fr.rec.philatelie

    Il will post here later on (I am leaving for 15 days) a summary
    of the discussions on the french speaking ng.

    BTW, I would appreciate to understand what you mean,
    "Sir F.A. Rien" with 'gummint' as my dictionnaries have not been
    of any help :-(

    I would also appreciate - if acceptable for you - to get a valid e-mail address.
    Mine is "courtiade at free dot fr"

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    All the best,
    Pierre Courtiade

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  • From Sir F.A. Rien@21:1/5 to sharpened a crayon and on Mon Sep 24 09:13:36 2018
    On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:52:27 +0200, "Pierre COURTIADE"
    <courtiade@free.fr> sharpened a crayon and wrote:

    Thank you Victor, Sir F.A. Rien and David for this very interesting >discussion that I am relaying to the french speaking newsgroup on
    philately :
    news:fr.rec.philatelie

    Il will post here later on (I am leaving for 15 days) a summary
    of the discussions on the french speaking ng.

    BTW, I would appreciate to understand what you mean,
    "Sir F.A. Rien" with 'gummint' as my dictionnaries have not been
    of any help :-(

    I would also appreciate - if acceptable for you - to get a valid e-mail >address.
    Mine is "courtiade at free dot fr"

    "gummint" => "Gummed up governmental bureaucracy".

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  • From Sir F.A. Rien@21:1/5 to sharpened a crayon and on Mon Sep 24 09:16:15 2018
    On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:52:44 -0700, "David E. Ross"
    <nobody@nowhere.invalid> sharpened a crayon and wrote:

    On 9/22/2018 5:33 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail at least
    temporarily.

    A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linns Sept. 18: New Zealand Post is >> currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the
    accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of >> stamps by processing machines.

    As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson >> said: While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have >> processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included
    envelopes.

    Source:
    https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition

    Victor Manta, PWO

    I live in California in the Unite States. Tax and fee payments to both
    the federal and state governments are considered paid on time if they
    are mailed with cancellations not later than the due date.

    I will have a property (real estate) tax payment to my county due on 10 >December. As long as the envelope contains a postmark dated 10 December
    or earlier, I incur no penalty for a late payment even if the US Postal >Service does not deliver the envelope two weeks later.

    If there is no cancellation, how do I prove I mailed the payment on time?

    Options include:
    Obtaining a 'Proof Of Mailing"
    Having the clerk use the counter canceller in your presence.
    Sending by tracked means.

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  • From Sir F.A. Rien@21:1/5 to sharpened a crayon and on Mon Sep 24 09:18:54 2018
    On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:47:54 -0400, "Victor Manta"
    <manvic_99SPAAM@yahoo.com> sharpened a crayon and wrote:

    "Sir F.A. Rien" wrote in message >news:v79fqd5dc9sku9c69ct32ls169rspevb7n@4ax.com...

    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail at least >>temporarily.

    <<
    Other postal authorities have done some of this canccel 'skipping',
    notably Great Britain. The result is 'action' by postal clerks to
    'cancel' those stamps using ballpoint pens, sharpies or any other
    means at hand, including ripping portions of the stamps 'to deface
    against fraud'.

    Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp collecting.


    This is not about manually damaging the stamps that weren't cancelled by the >standard automatic devices but about somehow marking the stamps as used by a >kind of invisible ink jet spitting device.

    You're right about "Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp >collecting", it's exactly this.

    It will open a new collecting era of "Spit or Not Spit stamps". A cheap spit >detecting device (about 199.99) will be sold by Stanley Gibbons to advanced >collectors...

    If that 'detector' works as well as their watermark detectors ...
    ROTFLMAO!

    BTW, have you checked a 'black light' on the spit?
    Perhaps another usage of Luminol [or similar]?

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  • From KenK@21:1/5 to Victor Manta on Mon Sep 24 17:51:17 2018
    "Victor Manta" <manvic_99SPAAM@yahoo.com> wrote in news:g0qn1cFg65fU1@mid.individual.net:

    This is not about manually damaging the stamps that weren't cancelled
    by the standard automatic devices but about somehow marking the stamps
    as used by a kind of invisible ink jet spitting device.


    Sounds to me like cancelling is about the same effort. Then why stop
    cancelling normally. Maybe sometning about cancellation dates?


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  • From Jan-Martin Hertzsch@21:1/5 to Victor Manta on Fri Nov 9 09:53:51 2018
    On 9/23/18 2:33 AM, Victor Manta wrote:
    New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least temporarily.

    A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linn’s Sept. 18: “New Zealand Post is currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling
    of stamps by processing machines.”


    Apparently, the experiment of not cancelling the stamps was cancelled
    after a few days. According to a source which I have forgotten in the
    meantime, on 8 October 2018 stamp cancellation should have resumed.

    -jmh

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