• Lawsuit filed over Wisconsin's ban on guns near water

    From Dave Wainwright@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 8 19:52:48 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, wi.general, alt.fishing
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.constitution, sac.politics

    (The Center Square) – There is a new lawsuit that challenges Wisconsin’s rule that bans people from carrying a gun near the water.

    The Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty filed the suit earlier this
    week, claiming the 1999 rule makes it illegal to “possess or control any firearm, gun or similar device at any time while on the waters, banks or
    shores that might be used for the purpose of fishing,” goes too far.

    WILL Associate Counsel Skylar Croy said the original rule was designed
    to stop fishermen from shooting musky fish in order to get them in the
    boat. But she said the Department of Natural Resources is expanding the
    rule to essentially ban guns near lakes, rivers and other bodies of water.

    “[Our client] is entitled to exercise his constitutional rights without fearing unlawful enforcement. We request that the DNR correct its administrative rule to restore the individual liberties our constitution safeguards.” Croy said.

    WILL’s client Travis Kobs says the rule means he cannot bring a gun
    anytime he’s in a state park that has a lake, river or stream.

    “I just want to have the ability to protect myself, and responsibly
    carry a firearm, which I have been doing lawfully in Wisconsin for over
    6 years,” Kobs added. “The Second Amendment is meant to apply
    everywhere, so I hope eliminating this rule can protect the rights of
    Wisconsin sportsmen.”

    Wisconsin allowed fishermen to shoot fish until 1966, when the DNR’s predecessor changed the rules.

    The regulations at DNR, however, were expanded in 1999 to ban not just
    using a firearm to fish but to possess one.

    “Until 1966, not only could Wisconsinites possess a small-caliber pistol
    near or on waters, banks, and shores – they could use that pistol to
    shoot fish,” WILL lawsuit claims. “From 1966 to 1999, only the actual
    use of a firearm to shoot fish was banned. Accordingly, the
    administrative rule’s ban on firearms – even for self-defense – in certain locations is not in keeping with a historical tradition of
    firearms regulation.”

    The lawsuit calls the DNR gun ban a “novel late-20th century regulatory invention,” and says it “gives law enforcement officers ‘broad’ authority to arbitrarily ‘stop or arrest those who do possess guns near
    water for any reason’.”

    WILL is asking a judge in Sheboygan County to strike down the DNR’s rule.

    https://www.apg-wi.com/news/state/lawsuit-filed-over-wisconsin-s-ban-on-guns-near-water/article_e9cc4514-e3a6-5d34-9317-e71a7e54c108.html

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  • From gfretwell@aol.com@21:1/5 to nospam@comcast.net on Sun Jun 9 09:51:04 2024
    On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:52:48 -0700, Dave Wainwright
    <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

    (The Center Square) – There is a new lawsuit that challenges Wisconsin’s >rule that bans people from carrying a gun near the water.

    The Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty filed the suit earlier this
    week, claiming the 1999 rule makes it illegal to “possess or control any >firearm, gun or similar device at any time while on the waters, banks or >shores that might be used for the purpose of fishing,” goes too far.

    WILL Associate Counsel Skylar Croy said the original rule was designed
    to stop fishermen from shooting musky fish in order to get them in the
    boat. But she said the Department of Natural Resources is expanding the
    rule to essentially ban guns near lakes, rivers and other bodies of water.

    “[Our client] is entitled to exercise his constitutional rights without >fearing unlawful enforcement. We request that the DNR correct its >administrative rule to restore the individual liberties our constitution >safeguards.” Croy said.

    WILL’s client Travis Kobs says the rule means he cannot bring a gun
    anytime he’s in a state park that has a lake, river or stream.

    “I just want to have the ability to protect myself, and responsibly
    carry a firearm, which I have been doing lawfully in Wisconsin for over
    6 years,” Kobs added. “The Second Amendment is meant to apply
    everywhere, so I hope eliminating this rule can protect the rights of >Wisconsin sportsmen.”

    Wisconsin allowed fishermen to shoot fish until 1966, when the DNR’s >predecessor changed the rules.

    The regulations at DNR, however, were expanded in 1999 to ban not just
    using a firearm to fish but to possess one.

    “Until 1966, not only could Wisconsinites possess a small-caliber pistol >near or on waters, banks, and shores – they could use that pistol to
    shoot fish,” WILL lawsuit claims. “From 1966 to 1999, only the actual
    use of a firearm to shoot fish was banned. Accordingly, the
    administrative rule’s ban on firearms – even for self-defense – in >certain locations is not in keeping with a historical tradition of
    firearms regulation.”

    The lawsuit calls the DNR gun ban a “novel late-20th century regulatory >invention,” and says it “gives law enforcement officers ‘broad’ >authority to arbitrarily ‘stop or arrest those who do possess guns near >water for any reason’.”

    WILL is asking a judge in Sheboygan County to strike down the DNR’s rule.

    https://www.apg-wi.com/news/state/lawsuit-filed-over-wisconsin-s-ban-on-guns-near-water/article_e9cc4514-e3a6-5d34-9317-e71a7e54c108.html

    I guess this is why so many Wisconsin people move to Florida. You can
    open carry here if you are hunting or fishing. It has been that way
    for decades.

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  • From justan@21:1/5 to gfretwell@aol.com on Sun Jun 9 07:54:48 2024
    On Sun, 09 Jun 2024 09:51:04 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

    On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:52:48 -0700, Dave Wainwright
    <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

    (The Center Square) There is a new lawsuit that challenges Wisconsins >>rule that bans people from carrying a gun near the water.

    The Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty filed the suit earlier this >>week, claiming the 1999 rule makes it illegal to possess or control any >>firearm, gun or similar device at any time while on the waters, banks or >>shores that might be used for the purpose of fishing, goes too far.

    WILL Associate Counsel Skylar Croy said the original rule was designed
    to stop fishermen from shooting musky fish in order to get them in the >>boat. But she said the Department of Natural Resources is expanding the >>rule to essentially ban guns near lakes, rivers and other bodies of water.

    [Our client] is entitled to exercise his constitutional rights without >>fearing unlawful enforcement. We request that the DNR correct its >>administrative rule to restore the individual liberties our constitution >>safeguards. Croy said.

    WILLs client Travis Kobs says the rule means he cannot bring a gun
    anytime hes in a state park that has a lake, river or stream.

    I just want to have the ability to protect myself, and responsibly
    carry a firearm, which I have been doing lawfully in Wisconsin for over
    6 years, Kobs added. The Second Amendment is meant to apply
    everywhere, so I hope eliminating this rule can protect the rights of >>Wisconsin sportsmen.

    Wisconsin allowed fishermen to shoot fish until 1966, when the DNRs >>predecessor changed the rules.

    The regulations at DNR, however, were expanded in 1999 to ban not just >>using a firearm to fish but to possess one.

    Until 1966, not only could Wisconsinites possess a small-caliber pistol >>near or on waters, banks, and shores they could use that pistol to
    shoot fish, WILL lawsuit claims. From 1966 to 1999, only the actual
    use of a firearm to shoot fish was banned. Accordingly, the
    administrative rules ban on firearms even for self-defense in
    certain locations is not in keeping with a historical tradition of
    firearms regulation.

    The lawsuit calls the DNR gun ban a novel late-20th century regulatory >>invention, and says it gives law enforcement officers broad
    authority to arbitrarily stop or arrest those who do possess guns near >>water for any reason.

    WILL is asking a judge in Sheboygan County to strike down the DNRs rule.
    https://www.apg-wi.com/news/state/lawsuit-filed-over-wisconsin-s-ban-on-guns-near-water/article_e9cc4514-e3a6-5d34-9317-e71a7e54c108.html

    I guess this is why so many Wisconsin people move to Florida. You can
    open carry here if you are hunting or fishing. It has been that way
    for decades.

    Also in Florida, you can visit a convicted criminal of 45 felony
    counts.

    Is Judy dead yet?

    Oh, wait, you're just a piece of shit.

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